I am just watching it now.. waiting for the end to finish buffering and I agreee the spok uhura thing is greatly disturbing...

Originally posted by Terranah

It's not just a different timeline, it's an alternate reality. Otherwise we would not remember the hundreds of episodes, books, and movies that followed as it would have never taken place.  LOL. 

 

Spock didn't go back to his own reality/time because of the sequel. 

 

Finally someone with common sense.

Cheers

All I can say is, and anyone that hasn't seen the movie don't read past this line, but think about it, six billion!

Anyone that knows how the butterfly effect works should know this is going to change so much of the original canon it's not even funny....but should be interesting.

I guess it's a good thing I always liked STE series the most...lol

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by admriker4

dozens of teens including shockingly girls (in groups, not just some guy's date) poured in.

 

Lmao. 

Yes and I'm sure all the hot girls in the theater were closet sci-fi geeks and not there to see Pine and Quinto.

In any event, fun movie, hopefully the mmo will ride its coat-tails a bit.

LOL why would they be there to see Quinto.  You gotta admit, he's an UGLY dude.

Forget the cannon issues (mind as well since this movie effectively erased them) and jsut consider the plot of this movie...

Nero comes back in time after a tragedy destroys his world and he wants revenge on Spock and Earth, funny he doesn't bother to warn Romulas of the coming disaster or otherwise do a thing to keep it from happening (i.e. go to the star and inject the red matter and save Romulas).

Spock (Nemoy) gets stuck on the ice planet so he has to watch Vulcan be destroyed and he sits in the cave waiting to see that happen rather than walk to the Starfleet outpost nearby and warn people (his own line in the movie says (there is a Starfleet outpost nearby).

Spock (new) is an instructor at Starfleet and has an affair with one of his students (Uhura) and then as a crisis comes he is vaulted to the position of 1st officer on the fleet's flagship. 

Kirk is a car stealing drunken bar brawler who suddenly decides to join Starfleet, seemingly out of spite.  3 years later before even graduating and without any on the job experience as a starfleet enlisted man or officer he is made 1st officer while Spock (an instructor at Starfleet) is made Captain.

Sulu is not even competent enough to know the basic methodology to jump to warp speed, but he does carry a sword instead of a phaser so he has that going for him.

Chekov is quite the ingenious transporter operator, he can beam up two guys falling at terminal velocity but; somehow, he cannot beam up Spock's mom as the ledge she is standing on collapses.  "Don't move" being the operative instruction for transporting I wonder how starships in space that even in basic orbit are moving far faster than a woman falling of a ledge or people falling at terminal velocity work with these new transporters.  On the flip side though, Scotty can transport people even with warp speeds involved so go figure.

Uhuru, who has a great ass as the movie went out of its way to establish, is obviously very talented because she intercepted some secret Klingon message and then promptly told nobody at Starfleet about it until it was too late to save the bulk of the fleet acting on the crisis.

For some reason Captain Pike thought sending three people to parachute through high atmosphere and rig the drill thing to blow was a better plan than just targeting it with a photon torpedo and blowing it to pieces.  Furthermore, nobody though of the problem it might cause in a risky jump to the drilling platform if only one person had explosives.

Starfleet, apparently, is so staffed with incompetents, or so disorganized, that nearly the entire bridge crew of the Flagship of the fleet was replace in a matter of minutes by raw recruits who haven't even graduated yet (Nemoy, Uhuru, and Scotty).

Those are just a few of the serious plot flaws for even an ST/SciFi movie.  Good action, style, effects, even casting (I can live the the actors they picked as replacements for TOS crew), but the plot just sucked terribly.  It was mindless with action supplanting decent plot logic.  It destroyed the timeline of ST we all know even if the idea of infinite timelines says it could still have happened ST now resides in a world where all we know doesn't exists as we know it save Enterprise.  It sets up the new ST universe as a place where anything can happen if it serves the action of the moment (I.E. a bunch of 3 year cadets being made the bridge crew for Starfleet's flagship in a matter of the near minutes in the movies real time.  And since Kirk and Spock are irrevocably change by this movies plot (Kirk had a different life from birth) and Spock experienced a serious trama of losing his homeworld and billions and billions of his fellow Vulcans not to mention how the loss of Vulcan affects the Federation - point being that with all this change to this timelime the only reason to care about it anymore than any other SciFi is because the main characters share names with these characters?  No enough, not by a long shot especially with a weak like I outlined above.

I agree there were some plot holes... but... Im pretty sure one could pick apart just about any of the star trek movies / seires episodes if one wanted to.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Forget the cannon issues (mind as well since this movie effectively erased them) and jsut consider the plot of this movie...

 

Nero comes back in time after a tragedy destroys his world and he wants revenge on Spock and Earth, funny he doesn't bother to warn Romulas of the coming disaster or otherwise do a thing to keep it from happening (i.e. go to the star and inject the red matter and save Romulas).

 

Spock (Nemoy) gets stuck on the ice planet so he has to watch Vulcan be destroyed and he sits in the cave waiting to see that happen rather than walk to the Starfleet outpost nearby and warn people (his own line in the movie says (there is a Starfleet outpost nearby).

 

Spock (new) is an instructor at Starfleet and has an affair with one of his students (Uhura) and then as a crisis comes he is vaulted to the position of 1st officer on the fleet's flagship. 

 

Kirk is a car stealing drunken bar brawler who suddenly decides to join Starfleet, seemingly out of spite.  3 years later before even graduating and without any on the job experience as a starfleet enlisted man or officer he is made 1st officer while Spock (an instructor at Starfleet) is made Captain.

 

Sulu is not even competent enough to know the basic methodology to jump to warp speed, but he does carry a sword instead of a phaser so he has that going for him.

 

Chekov is quite the ingenious transporter operator, he can beam up two guys falling at terminal velocity but; somehow, he cannot beam up Spock's mom as the ledge she is standing on collapses.  "Don't move" being the operative instruction for transporting I wonder how starships in space that even in basic orbit are moving far faster than a woman falling of a ledge or people falling at terminal velocity work with these new transporters.  On the flip side though, Scotty can transport people even with warp speeds involved so go figure.

 

Uhuru, who has a great ass as the movie went out of its way to establish, is obviously very talented because she intercepted some secret Klingon message and then promptly told nobody at Starfleet about it until it was too late to save the bulk of the fleet acting on the crisis.

 

For some reason Captain Pike thought sending three people to parachute through high atmosphere and rig the drill thing to blow was a better plan than just targeting it with a photon torpedo and blowing it to pieces.  Furthermore, nobody though of the problem it might cause in a risky jump to the drilling platform if only one person had explosives.

 

Starfleet, apparently, is so staffed with incompetents, or so disorganized, that nearly the entire bridge crew of the Flagship of the fleet was replace in a matter of minutes by raw recruits who haven't even graduated yet (Nemoy, Uhuru, and Scotty).

 

Those are just a few of the serious plot flaws for even an ST/SciFi movie.  Good action, style, effects, even casting (I can live the the actors they picked as replacements for TOS crew), but the plot just sucked terribly.  It was mindless with action supplanting decent plot logic.  It destroyed the timeline of ST we all know even if the idea of infinite timelines says it could still have happened ST now resides in a world where all we know doesn't exists as we know it save Enterprise.  It sets up the new ST universe as a place where anything can happen if it serves the action of the moment (I.E. a bunch of 3 year cadets being made the bridge crew for Starfleet's flagship in a matter of the near minutes in the movies real time.  And since Kirk and Spock are irrevocably change by this movies plot (Kirk had a different life from birth) and Spock experienced a serious trama of losing his homeworld and billions and billions of his fellow Vulcans not to mention how the loss of Vulcan affects the Federation - point being that with all this change to this timelime the only reason to care about it anymore than any other SciFi is because the main characters share names with these characters?  No enough, not by a long shot especially with a weak like I outlined above.

 

 

LOL. Sorry tho. But are you that of a nitpick and drama queen for every movie you go to?

Spend hours and hours after a movie extrapolating every single second of the movie trying to find every mistake and flaw as possible?

Luckily most people go to the cinema and watch movie to enjoy themselves and have a good time.

That's why drama queens like you hold no merrit and the movie got hell of a good reviews around the globe.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble tho. Maybe you should move on and leave Star Trek for it is. As no one is going to listen to you and your other drama queens on the internet.

If you like it or not. This movie placed Star Trek back on the map! People loved it. And it brings in a shitload of money for the Studio. And that's all it's about in the movie industry. $$$.

Can't wait for the sequel!

Cheers

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by Mysk

My main complaint with the movie was the relationship between Uhura and Spock.

1.) Yes, the worse thing that could possibly EVAR happen happened, but that would not make a woman spontaneously begin making out with you.  if that's the way that women comfort you these days then damn it, I am VERY depressed.

2.) He's Vulcan.  Yes, half Vulcan, but seriously.

The whole "relationship" was superficial / transparent.  A rushed job to put two attractive people kissing on screen, and a "haha its not Kirk getting the girl" jab in there.  Juvenile and transparent.  Yeah, it irritated me quite a bit.

Aside from that, I spent the majority of the movie wondering just how they were going to fix the time line mess before the movie wrapped up.  It eventually became obvious that they weren't going to, and I groaned at the thought that the next movie would be all about putting humpty dumpty back together again.

I hadn't read anything about the movie so I had no idea that creating and continuing to work in an alternate reality was their intention.   Thus the plot struck me as incredibly weak and as a serious eye roller.  "Oh... gods.. it's a time travel episode! URGH!"  I couldn't believe that I had just spent money on that.

Yet aside from the mountainous levels of suck, it was still a good movie.  Dare I say very good?  I'm very confused.  It was both very good and just flat out awful.  It was like a creature of oil and water come together to form a movie.  I can't decide if it sucked rotten eggs or if it was great.

Maybe I just read into it, but I didnt see spock and her relationship starting in that turbo lift. It seemed to me to have been a long standing and secret relationship.

Maybe Im wrong but thats how I took it.

You aren't wrong, it didnt' start in that Turbo lift.

It started far before that. People need to pay attention more.

If people remember (and if this has been mentioned elsewhere apologies) She approaches spock and asks why she wasn't on the Enterprise. he said that he didn't want it to seem like there was favoritism. The reason why it could seem that way is that their relationship was started way before the movie started. He then just puts her on because he capitulates to his male human side when she says "I'm ON the enterprise".

As far as this whole time line thing, I think people are really blowing this out of proportion. So what if an alternate and concurrent reality is explored?

From a story standpoint, they don't want to be remaking what has gone before. I suppose they could work within the confines of what has gone before but perhaps that paints them into a corner? Not sure.

I do know that there are theories of alternate and concurrent realities. Of course, we don't really know a lot about how time works but there sure are a lot of theories.

This movie does not invalidate what has gone before. It is just a branching off of an alternate reality. It's more than possible that all that did happen will still happen but it's "alternate". Just another branch.

Of course this is all just silly because it's a movie. People can still enjoy all the old movies, TV shows, etc. this just allows for more of your favorite characters but giving them a chance to be explored in different ways as, come on, this franchise has been going on for years. At some point someone is going to realize that given what has gone before, it all will get stale.

But again, I can see why people might be a bit miffed at the feeling that everything that has gone before is being thrown out. I just go with the fact that alternate realites mean just that.

Alternate.

And also again, there are theories that propose that "we" have alternate realites as well. And that they are going on right now. Are we all going to fret and worry and wring our hands over the fact that some alternate (but just as valid) self is right now living a life that we feel is not something "we" would be doing? Well of course it's something that we would be doing. It's just the "what would happen if..." scenario if on a particular day we went right insead of left or took one job over another. That brings us down another path.

Just pray your altnate selves are as understanding and not in some advanced earth where they will try to jump realities and knock you off because they seriously hate your fashion sense. ; )

Actually, Enterprise isn't the *only* thing that is still canon.  Most of Star Trek IV, and most of First Contact are still part of the timeline, because they "already" happened.  So when that big ship finally reaches Earth, new Kirk will have to go back and either find a different pair of whales, or fight old Kirk for them.   And there could easily be a borg movie, because Archer already encountered leftover borg from First Contact during Enterprise, so there could be more lurking around.  That being said, I want a new Khan movie, lol.

Edit: As for the "alternate" argument, it is alternate only in that it isn't what originally existed. If the old timeline still exists somewhere, that is the real alternate reality.  This movie represents what is happening in the "prime" timeline that we have followed since TOS.  Every episode/movie that has ever dealt with time travel acted as if changes in the past affected the current timeline, not just created a new, alternate one.  That is why they had to bother to try to fix things.  The only view I can think of that would be consistent with every time travel/alternate reality episode/movie in the Star Trek universe is one of parallel realities, each of which has a self-contained and modifiable timeline.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by Mysk

My main complaint with the movie was the relationship between Uhura and Spock.

1.) Yes, the worse thing that could possibly EVAR happen happened, but that would not make a woman spontaneously begin making out with you.  if that's the way that women comfort you these days then damn it, I am VERY depressed.

2.) He's Vulcan.  Yes, half Vulcan, but seriously.

The whole "relationship" was superficial / transparent.  A rushed job to put two attractive people kissing on screen, and a "haha its not Kirk getting the girl" jab in there.  Juvenile and transparent.  Yeah, it irritated me quite a bit.

Aside from that, I spent the majority of the movie wondering just how they were going to fix the time line mess before the movie wrapped up.  It eventually became obvious that they weren't going to, and I groaned at the thought that the next movie would be all about putting humpty dumpty back together again.

I hadn't read anything about the movie so I had no idea that creating and continuing to work in an alternate reality was their intention.   Thus the plot struck me as incredibly weak and as a serious eye roller.  "Oh... gods.. it's a time travel episode! URGH!"  I couldn't believe that I had just spent money on that.

Yet aside from the mountainous levels of suck, it was still a good movie.  Dare I say very good?  I'm very confused.  It was both very good and just flat out awful.  It was like a creature of oil and water come together to form a movie.  I can't decide if it sucked rotten eggs or if it was great.

Maybe I just read into it, but I didnt see spock and her relationship starting in that turbo lift. It seemed to me to have been a long standing and secret relationship.

Maybe Im wrong but thats how I took it.

Yea I agree with you. Based on how they acted around each other before the whole kissing scene (esp. when Uhura found that she wasn't on the roster for the "Enterprise" and then he conviently places her name on the roster lol), pretty sure the relationsip had been going on for quite some time. I am a student at an actor conservatory so they train us to pick up on specific actions and sub-texting lines of the characters.

Oh and Zachary Quinto IS attractive =). Just not in the "Brad Pitt" sense.

The 'holes' in the plot I listed are pretty big ones and the difference between good SciFi and bad SciFi.  And for Star Trek in particular to 'reboot' with such implausible plot holes to me seems pretty ridiculous.  Like I said, just forget the erasing of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and all that how does Star Trek reboot with a captain and crew that are absolute raw recruits not even graduated from StarFleet Academy?  How is the ST universe to be rebuilt if they cannot even provide a plausible scenario about who these characters are and why they are somehow special and worthy of rewriting the ST universe?

It was a B movie (granted with A movie effects and stye), nothing more and nothing less.  Given how loose they where with the things I mentioned, amoung other things, there is not way you can rebuild ST in such a loose foundation.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

It was a B movie (granted with A movie effects and stye), nothing more and nothing less.  Given how loose they where with the things I mentioned, amoung other things, there is not way you can rebuild ST in such a loose foundation.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/startrek2009

compared to previous Star trek Films...

http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=star+trek&ty=1

It looks like the movie is getting pretty good reviews all around.  I understand that you aren't happy with the story, but this bit about it being a B movie is a little far-fetched.  It's seems to me, that the best foundation to rebuild the Star Trek franchise on is a financially successful, critically acclaimed movie.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Forget the cannon issues (mind as well since this movie effectively erased them) and jsut consider the plot of this movie...

 

Nero comes back in time after a tragedy destroys his world and he wants revenge on Spock and Earth, funny he doesn't bother to warn Romulas of the coming disaster or otherwise do a thing to keep it from happening (i.e. go to the star and inject the red matter and save Romulas).

 

Spock (Nemoy) gets stuck on the ice planet so he has to watch Vulcan be destroyed and he sits in the cave waiting to see that happen rather than walk to the Starfleet outpost nearby and warn people (his own line in the movie says (there is a Starfleet outpost nearby).

 

Spock (new) is an instructor at Starfleet and has an affair with one of his students (Uhura) and then as a crisis comes he is vaulted to the position of 1st officer on the fleet's flagship. 

 

Kirk is a car stealing drunken bar brawler who suddenly decides to join Starfleet, seemingly out of spite.  3 years later before even graduating and without any on the job experience as a starfleet enlisted man or officer he is made 1st officer while Spock (an instructor at Starfleet) is made Captain.

 

Sulu is not even competent enough to know the basic methodology to jump to warp speed, but he does carry a sword instead of a phaser so he has that going for him.

 

Chekov is quite the ingenious transporter operator, he can beam up two guys falling at terminal velocity but; somehow, he cannot beam up Spock's mom as the ledge she is standing on collapses.  "Don't move" being the operative instruction for transporting I wonder how starships in space that even in basic orbit are moving far faster than a woman falling of a ledge or people falling at terminal velocity work with these new transporters.  On the flip side though, Scotty can transport people even with warp speeds involved so go figure.

 

Uhuru, who has a great ass as the movie went out of its way to establish, is obviously very talented because she intercepted some secret Klingon message and then promptly told nobody at Starfleet about it until it was too late to save the bulk of the fleet acting on the crisis.

 

For some reason Captain Pike thought sending three people to parachute through high atmosphere and rig the drill thing to blow was a better plan than just targeting it with a photon torpedo and blowing it to pieces.  Furthermore, nobody though of the problem it might cause in a risky jump to the drilling platform if only one person had explosives.

 

Starfleet, apparently, is so staffed with incompetents, or so disorganized, that nearly the entire bridge crew of the Flagship of the fleet was replace in a matter of minutes by raw recruits who haven't even graduated yet (Nemoy, Uhuru, and Scotty).

 

Those are just a few of the serious plot flaws for even an ST/SciFi movie.  Good action, style, effects, even casting (I can live the the actors they picked as replacements for TOS crew), but the plot just sucked terribly.  It was mindless with action supplanting decent plot logic.  It destroyed the timeline of ST we all know even if the idea of infinite timelines says it could still have happened ST now resides in a world where all we know doesn't exists as we know it save Enterprise.  It sets up the new ST universe as a place where anything can happen if it serves the action of the moment (I.E. a bunch of 3 year cadets being made the bridge crew for Starfleet's flagship in a matter of the near minutes in the movies real time.  And since Kirk and Spock are irrevocably change by this movies plot (Kirk had a different life from birth) and Spock experienced a serious trama of losing his homeworld and billions and billions of his fellow Vulcans not to mention how the loss of Vulcan affects the Federation - point being that with all this change to this timelime the only reason to care about it anymore than any other SciFi is because the main characters share names with these characters?  No enough, not by a long shot especially with a weak like I outlined above.

 

 

As an old school Star Trek fan, I loved your post.

Totally sums up my complaints with the film, wish you had complained more about Spock and Uhura's love interest, that was just creepy feeling...

All in all a great action film, but a HORRIBLE Star Trek film.

J.J. Abrams ruined it IMO.

Edit:

This could have been a filler episode in a new series and that would have been better.

B movie is pretty accurate.

For those of you like AgtSmith bashing the new film.  I think this sums it ALLLLLLLLLL up!!

www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

Originally posted by TeranHawkins

For those of you like AgtSmith bashing the new film.  I think this sums it ALLLLLLLLLL up!!

 

www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film

Wow if anyone actually agrees with that contrived crap of a video, they are a fool.

Lets go remake all the movies that everyone else likes and totally throw all the storyline away and just use it as if it were toilet paper.

Star Trek is about so very much more than a shallow action film that makes no sence and has a slew of plot holes.

In fact most of the Star Trek films tried to be as scientifically accurate as possible, this film was entirely unrealistic and contrived.

J.J. Abrams is a hack.

What a waste of what could have been a good film.

Edit: I was a Fringe fan, until the episode before the movie came out when he started making allusions to the film.  How pathetic, I'm amazed LOST has not been canceled yet either.

I've noticed that the moment the new Startrek flick was anounced, all the trekkies came out of their caves and started bashing every little detail.

I enjoyed the movie. Eat that.

P.S.: Reminds me of an MMO release.

Originally posted by BizkitNL

I've noticed that the moment the new Startrek flick was anounced, all the trekkies came out of their caves and started bashing every little detail.

I enjoyed the movie. Eat that.

P.S.: Reminds me of an MMO release.

Take something your a fan of, take the storyline, throw it in the trash can, and have some other guy whos never done anything in the series entirely change the story.

Some of us read books, R.A. Salvatore wrote a fictional book about the Star Wars universe in which he kills off Chewbacca.

How many people doy ou think wanted R.A. Salvatore's head after it got published?  He had never even written a single Star Wars book until this one and he feels he can go in and kill off main characters?

I'm glad this movie won't see a sequel.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

The 'holes' in the plot I listed are pretty big ones and the difference between good SciFi and bad SciFi.  And for Star Trek in particular to 'reboot' with such implausible plot holes to me seems pretty ridiculous.  Like I said, just forget the erasing of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and all that how does Star Trek reboot with a captain and crew that are absolute raw recruits not even graduated from StarFleet Academy?  How is the ST universe to be rebuilt if they cannot even provide a plausible scenario about who these characters are and why they are somehow special and worthy of rewriting the ST universe?

 

It was a B movie (granted with A movie effects and stye), nothing more and nothing less.  Given how loose they where with the things I mentioned, amoung other things, there is not way you can rebuild ST in such a loose foundation.

The only valid plothole you found was the one with Nero not saving his homeworld instead of getting revenge on Spock. Or did he plan to do that after getting revenge?

Spock's mom could not be beamed because she moved before the beaming was complete. When they beam a person at high velocity, the person has same velocity when the beaming starts and when it ends, so they remain in the same trajectory.

Spock and Uhuru had been a couble way longer than we know.

Was Spock an instructur at starfleet? didnt he just program the simulations?

Originally posted by Arcona

Originally posted by AgtSmith

The 'holes' in the plot I listed are pretty big ones and the difference between good SciFi and bad SciFi.  And for Star Trek in particular to 'reboot' with such implausible plot holes to me seems pretty ridiculous.  Like I said, just forget the erasing of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and all that how does Star Trek reboot with a captain and crew that are absolute raw recruits not even graduated from StarFleet Academy?  How is the ST universe to be rebuilt if they cannot even provide a plausible scenario about who these characters are and why they are somehow special and worthy of rewriting the ST universe?

 

It was a B movie (granted with A movie effects and stye), nothing more and nothing less.  Given how loose they where with the things I mentioned, amoung other things, there is not way you can rebuild ST in such a loose foundation.

The only valid plothole you found was the one with Nero not saving his homeworld instead of getting revenge on Spock. Or did he plan to do that after getting revenge?

Spock's mom could not be beamed because she moved after the beaming was complete. When they beam a person at high velocity, the person has same velocity when the beaming starts and when it ends, so they remain in the same trajectory.

Spock and Uhuru had been a couble way longer than we know.

Really they had been a couple way longer than "we" know?

How do you know that if you don't know that?

See, your statement makes no logical sense Captian.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by Arcona

Originally posted by AgtSmith

The 'holes' in the plot I listed are pretty big ones and the difference between good SciFi and bad SciFi.  And for Star Trek in particular to 'reboot' with such implausible plot holes to me seems pretty ridiculous.  Like I said, just forget the erasing of TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and all that how does Star Trek reboot with a captain and crew that are absolute raw recruits not even graduated from StarFleet Academy?  How is the ST universe to be rebuilt if they cannot even provide a plausible scenario about who these characters are and why they are somehow special and worthy of rewriting the ST universe?

 

It was a B movie (granted with A movie effects and stye), nothing more and nothing less.  Given how loose they where with the things I mentioned, amoung other things, there is not way you can rebuild ST in such a loose foundation.

The only valid plothole you found was the one with Nero not saving his homeworld instead of getting revenge on Spock. Or did he plan to do that after getting revenge?

Spock's mom could not be beamed because she moved after the beaming was complete. When they beam a person at high velocity, the person has same velocity when the beaming starts and when it ends, so they remain in the same trajectory.

Spock and Uhuru had been a couble way longer than we know.

 

Really they had been a couple way longer than "we" know?

How do you know that if you don't know that?

See, your statement makes no logical sense Captian.

Read Sovrath's post on page 4 in this thread

Sovrath wrote:

You aren't wrong, it didnt' start in that Turbo lift.

It started far before that. People need to pay attention more.

If people remember (and if this has been mentioned elsewhere apologies) She approaches spock and asks why she wasn't on the Enterprise. he said that he didn't want it to seem like there was favoritism. The reason why it could seem that way is that their relationship was started way before the movie started. He then just puts her on because he capitulates to his male human side when she says "I'm ON the enterprise".

ok? 

I see his post commenting that the alternate universe and the traditional one are co-exsisting?
 

Is this what you ment for me to read or did I not see the post your referencing?

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by BizkitNL

I've noticed that the moment the new Startrek flick was anounced, all the trekkies came out of their caves and started bashing every little detail.

I enjoyed the movie. Eat that.

P.S.: Reminds me of an MMO release.

 

Take something your a fan of, take the storyline, throw it in the trash can, and have some other guy whos never done anything in the series entirely change the story.

Some of us read books, R.A. Salvatore wrote a fictional book about the Star Wars universe in which he kills off Chewbacca.

How many people doy ou think wanted R.A. Salvatore's head after it got published?  He had never even written a single Star Wars book until this one and he feels he can go in and kill off main characters?

I'm glad this movie won't see a sequel.

I am die hard fan of Star Trek since the 80's!!  I pretty much loved all the different series.

I also pretty much loved all the movies. One bit more then the other.

It's called having an Open Mind and go to the cinemas and watching the series on TV to enjoy myself.

Spending so much time nitpicking on a movie is just sad. Has nothing to do about being a fan anymore.

Times change. Stories change. Life all around you changes. Get over it!

And oh... and to burst your bubble a bit more. The sequal is already planned and in the making. Due to come out in 2011.

Can't wait for it!

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by BizkitNL

I've noticed that the moment the new Startrek flick was anounced, all the trekkies came out of their caves and started bashing every little detail.

I enjoyed the movie. Eat that.

P.S.: Reminds me of an MMO release.

 

Take something your a fan of, take the storyline, throw it in the trash can, and have some other guy whos never done anything in the series entirely change the story.

Some of us read books, R.A. Salvatore wrote a fictional book about the Star Wars universe in which he kills off Chewbacca.

How many people doy ou think wanted R.A. Salvatore's head after it got published?  He had never even written a single Star Wars book until this one and he feels he can go in and kill off main characters?

I'm glad this movie won't see a sequel.

 

I am die hard fan of Star Trek since the 80's!!  I pretty much loved all the different series.

I also pretty much loved all the movies. One bit more then the other.

It's called having an Open Mind and go to the cinemas and watching the series on TV to enjoy myself.

Spending so much time nitpicking on a movie is just sad. Has nothing to do about being a fan anymore.

Times change. Stories change. Life all around you changes. Get over it!

And oh... and to burst your bubble a bit more. The sequal is already planned and in the making. Due to come out in 2011.

Cheers

Spending time refuting that a movie was good is just AS sad.

Get off your high horse when your going to speak to people, its polite.

I've been a Trekker my whole life, my mother took me to see the first movie when I was but a child of 6.  I can recall the people in the theature being of a different quality than they are today.

It was much more like a rockey horror picture show than like a "Fast and Furious" crowd.

Yes this movie was basicly a random summer movie, like fast and furious.

Things do change, having a hack of a writer come in and rewrite the entire storyline of a well established universe is just pathetic.

Your telling me that J.J couldn't have come up with a storyline that would have fit into the pre-established universe so he decided to just destroy everything and make his own thing.

This was not Star Trek, this was Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman world of wacky fantasy.

Which I wish I had my money back from.

edit: Also, my mother who watched the origional series on TV every episode and has a retarded amount of collectors memorabelia absolutely LOATHED this film.

Edit2: only for accuracy.

It is not written by JJ Abrams, its written by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, who have written Xena and Hecules episodes, and Mission impossible III :)

Originally posted by Arcona

It is not written by JJ Abrams, its written by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, who have written Xena and Hecules episodes, and Mission impossible III :)

Well then Thank you, I now know who to write my hate mail to.

Sad that I actually liked Xena.  Ugh.