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Originally posted by Zorvan01
Using the fact he gave two of the biggest POS mmos out there low scores the same as Darkfall doesn't do anything but validate his review even further.
How much does the fact that he counted "a few DarkFall server" validate his review ? In Edie-boy we finally have nailed a DF hater. We know now how far such sad persons can go and how not ethically they can act. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Originally posted by Anvil_Theory
WTF are you talking about, sound to me like his reviews are SPOT ON..! I played Roma Victor and within 24 hours removed it from my hard drive... where is that game now? At least that game is a free download with no monthly fees. It's not trying to pretend to be a major MMORPG and asking $52 to download the game. Aventurine is... And Dreamlords was an over glorified RTS game that thought they could make up for bad gameplay with awsome graphics. Darkfall is no different. the game is clearly still in early beta, nothing of what they claimed the game was going to be like, is remotely present and short cuts and cheapness are seen all throughout Darkfall. It clearly is an amature project and no discredit to the people who worked on their tasks, but Tasos is just incompetent. Darkfall is easily one of the worst game I have ever played. Even though the concept intrigued me, the execution and gameplay are piss-poor. Very deserving of the 2/10 score.
This is actually a very lucid post. I also played Roma Victor. Their claim to fame at the time was a crucifixion of some cheating player. It was amusing enough that I signed up, and it didn't take me very long to walk away. I have not played Dreamlords, there is a reason for that... Darkfall. The "community" pre-launch spammed every forum on MMORPG, they spammed, and spammed, and then spammed some more. It was hell on Internetz. They would not go away, no matter how off topic they were with each and every post. They were not even in their own forum. Now, their game has "released" minus the fact that no one can even think of purchasing it at their leisure. The feature list they proclaimed has been exposed as being quite fake. The hack and slash compared to oblivion is not a compliment. The skill system is basic, and a grind (this has been written everywhere), housing is non-existent. The only thing I do not doubt is the commraderie of players as they zerg a target. Following this 'community' and the developer in question, all I can think is that we might have a reviewer is actually being honest about his experience. This shouldn't matter to AV since they have such a solid project that was ready for release in 2004. They made it their crusade to defame him, and I trust not a single word they say. They are incapable of fulfilling their feature list, much less more than a single server for their base to play on. For those stating "you have not played the game!!!" Sorry m8's, I refuse to lurk long enough, or pay $54US in order to play a game that for so long has been claimed feature incomplete, and incompetently run 3 months following "launch". They don't even have the resources to open a second instance of the server. Eurogamer perhaps nailed this one. They should not apologize for refusing another DnL. It is happening right over there, in Greece. ------> Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom. Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR. |
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Originally posted by Telre
I'm sorry, Telre. Your analogy is seriously flawed. Darkfall is an MMO game. The reviewer plays MMO games. So in your analogy Ed would have already been famaliar with ice sports dealing with nets, sticks, and pucks. Honestly, he probably would have enjoyed playing hockey. Here's a sports analogy for you that fits reality a little better. Lets say Ed loves American football (WoW) but doesn't care for rugby (UO). He hears about a game starting up that is like rugby... called.. lets say Dugby (Darkfall... obviously). Now dugby is a lot like rugby only you play in dress shoes, it uses a beach ball instead of pigskin, and you can only play in the rain. Oh, and also when your teams is getting close to scoring there will randomly be a game restart called and you have to start over entirely. Now... Ed may understand the appeal of rugby, and give it an average review. But a horribly designed and flawed game such as dugby would most likely get a low score because of it's flaws. I think that's a little more accurate than your hocky analogy. Oh.. and of course all of the people that love playing dubgy would say that Ed only played for 2 hours so how could he know anything about their precious game!? Bioware did not make Knights of the old Republic 2. |
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You don't have to jump into the pool filled with dung to know that what is inside is shit... 9 hours are way enough to see that a MMO is a poorly done shallow pile of bugs. Still waiting for the real UO successor... |
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edit: forget it. |
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Originally posted by Dameonk
I'm sorry, Telre. Your analogy is seriously flawed. Darkfall is an MMO game. The reviewer plays MMO games. So in your analogy Ed would have already been famaliar with ice sports dealing with nets, sticks, and pucks. Honestly, he probably would have enjoyed playing hockey. Here's a sports analogy for you that fits reality a little better. Lets say Ed loves American football (WoW) but doesn't care for rugby (UO). He hears about a game starting up that is like rugby... called.. lets say Dugby (Darkfall... obviously). Now dugby is a lot like rugby only you play in dress shoes, it uses a beach ball instead of pigskin, and you can only play in the rain. Oh, and also when your teams is getting close to scoring there will randomly be a game restart called and you have to start over entirely. Now... Ed may understand the appeal of rugby, and give it an average review. But a horribly designed and flawed game such as dugby would most likely get a low score because of it's flaws. I think that's a little more accurate than your hocky analogy. Oh.. and of course all of the people that love playing dubgy would say that Ed only played for 2 hours so how could he know anything about their precious game!? My hockey analogy was perfectly acceptable. You're supposition that the game is "broken" (playing ruby in dress shoes), is in no way more correct then my proposed analogy. Darkfall yes clearly is not like football, and Ed seems to only like figure skating based on his reviews. Also I find the argument of Darkfall being "hard to learn" and the like as laughable. Day 1 I had already figured out how just about everything in the game worked (minus a few game rules such as how exactly turning rouge, and how started and player cities worked). Ed complained about the difficulty of a rhythm game, arguably one of the easier types of game to master since it only presents a static challenge. He clearly did not enjoy his gaming experience, thats fine, and as a reviewer he should state that. But how is it fair that he rated a game that requires a better gamer then someone who has difficultly with guitar hero? The fact that so many people are taking his review as being representative of the game, is a problem. Its not, and although some people who have played, agree its has its problems, I nearly universally seen people who have actually played the game, say it deserves a better review then that. Thats not even talking about the score. His review is simply awful, and really gives an innaccurate picture of the game, regardless of whether its "good" or "bad". |
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"His review is simply awful, and really gives an innaccurate picture of the game, regardless of whether its "good" or "bad"."
This is the crux of it. To the people saying a review is just an opinion, you're wrong. A review is an opinion based on facts. Reviews express the opinion of the writer while presenting facts about the product. So when Ed writes paragraph after paragraph of incorrect 'facts' about the game, his review loses its credibility. The guy claims there isn't even a tutorial, when there is , and it pops up everytime you start the game. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but a published review is responsible for presenting truthful information only. |
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Since the rabid darkfall fanboys are going to create a hundred threads on this issue I will start posting the same response on the issue.
First: No one cares so just stop making posts, seriously. Second: The game does suck, even on here with rabid fanboys giving it 10s (no game ever created really deserves a 10 rating, it just hasn't happened) darkfall still only gets a 6 something rating. So yes it sucks, and the reviewer who didn't have those rabid fanboys upping the rating, gave it a truthfull 2/10. So let's sum up, yes Darkfall sucks. Third: NO ONE CARES THAT HE GAVE YOU A 2/10 |
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Crappy game. There's a reason there is only 1 review on it. |
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maskedweasel
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Joined: 9/24/07
"Kids, try imagining how far the universe extends! Keep thinking about it until you go insane." |
Originally posted by oddjobs74 I am sure Ed will lose sleep over his credibility loss with you seeing as how you are obviously too dense to understand what perspective is. Its the same reason your parents tell you a new food tastes like chicken to get you to try it. Mentioning other games is a point of perspective to people who know nothing about Darkfail, but most likeley have played one of the other games cited. The only thing laughable about the review is the response from Tasos and his cult.
Theres a difference between perspective and bias simple one. Saying "The UI is reminiscent of the original EQ game" is quite different then saying "The UI pales in comparison to LOTRO." One is biased, can you pick the correct answer? I'll wait...... I'm not saying the review didn't deserve a 2, but his "review" didn't cover some key aspects of the game. I don't play darkfall, but wheres all the information about crafting, skills, player interaction, groups, PVP, etc? He barely touched on some of those things, and didn't touch on any of the others... The difference between this guy and when your parents are telling you to try a new food is simply that after you try the food, you aren't going to write a professional review about it, nor would anyone want you to as you wouldn't be in a position to do so. When you do write a review about food, you take in all aspects of the meal, including preparation time, presentation, taste, texture, smell as well as everything that encompasses the atmosphere of the restaurant you chose. I just feel bad for you, you're too blinded by wanting darkfall to fail to see the obvious pitfalls in this review. I may not think Darkfall is the greatest game, but it deserves a fair review, be it good or bad, and this review was sorely unfair. |
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He re-uses lines, which is hilarious, since his lines are not clever enough to bear repeating. However, saying he gave Roma Victor an 8% doesn't really help DF's chances because ... frankly, I'd probably give Roma Victor an 8% too. But if he didn't play the games, then it's fair to say he's a bad reviewer. MMOs have to be played for days in order to get even the basic idea of what they are about. |
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Originally posted by Anvil_Theory
WTF are you talking about, sound to me like his reviews are SPOT ON..! I played Roma Victor and within 24 hours removed it from my hard drive... where is that game now? At least that game is a free download with no monthly fees. It's not trying to pretend to be a major MMORPG and asking $52 to download the game. Aventurine is... And Dreamlords was an over glorified RTS game that thought they could make up for bad gameplay with awsome graphics. Darkfall is no different. the game is clearly still in early beta, nothing of what they claimed the game was going to be like, is remotely present and short cuts and cheapness are seen all throughout Darkfall. It clearly is an amature project and no discredit to the people who worked on their tasks, but Tasos is just incompetent. Darkfall is easily one of the worst game I have ever played. Even though the concept intrigued me, the execution and gameplay are piss-poor. Very deserving of the 2/10 score.
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Originally posted by mackdawg19
Oh why does it matter? Simple, its the emperor's new coat. If someone try to tell us that the emperor's new coat is ... well, the tailor and the fans of the new coat, must jump up in arms. What would they do? They will declare war against anyone who dare speak the truth. Oh truth hurts, never more so than here. |
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Originally posted by kishe LOL. The first day I played DFO I thought to myself, "This feels a lot like Roma Victor". |
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Originally posted by Aragon100
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8. Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
Given the track record of DF and its fans, you can hardly convince a pig with a poll there. We know you like the game. We also want you to know very few like it. EG tells us how their reviewer feels about the game, and its a 2/10 to the reviewer. You can call it 10/10, so what? The reviewer call it 2/10. No conflict there. Fact is, the reviewer is gaining more and more credibility, given the way the DF community reacts. Truth hurts, the emperor coat is there no more. The way your kind deal with this, DF community is a laughing stock to gamers outside. Given the way the EG editorial reacts, they shine, they are so much more tactful and mature. Who do you think I will trust? You need a hint? Why not just go play the game and accept the fact that there is one person on earth who has spoken his mind and gave a 2/10 to the game you claimed to have fun in. There are countless who would give 1/10 or 0/10. That does not affect the gameplay itself, and if DF is fun to you, you need not be here talking. My guess, after days of laughing off my ass, is this: DF is like dry paint, or dried paint that is falling off. There is nothing in game to do, and no one else to beat each other silly. So you have to play the game of forum control, so as to justify the $50. This is MY VIEW. You need not agree with, nor adopt it. |
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Originally posted by Aragon100
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8. Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
LOL. Yes, convince me with a poll that exists on the game's website. No bias there... |
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Ed is a terrible reviewer. I cannot comment on his review for DF, I haven't played the game and have no intention to do so. I'm a regular reader of PCZone and have suffered Ed for the last couple of years. Thankfully he has left the mag, but unfortunately he still turns up now and again as a freelancer. I still remember his review for PotBS for PCZone. He spent two pages trashing the game and didn't once in his whole review mention the PvP, the core of the game. PCZone had some great heritage in there MMO reviewers. We had great reviewers like Chris Anderson, Paul Presley, Richie Shoemaker (Sci-Fi) and Rhianna Pratchett (Terry's daughter) and unfortunately Ed Zitron is sub par compared to them. I'm sure most of you will be going who the hell are these people |
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yeah i remember them, i think there was another guy to from a few years ago who was also cool, can't remember his name, but i remember once at the front of the mag it had there pictures and what games they are playing at the time etc, well this time it was "what are you getting for xmas" and he put down, " an ounce of weed". Made me lol.
but your right ed is rubbish, always has been always will be. |
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Originally posted by Aramanu
Sounds like something Charlie Brooker would do. |
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Originally posted by Orthedos
Latest poll on ratings by ingame players is btw 6-8. Maybe it's time you realize you didnt like Darkfall but others do. http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381
Given the track record of DF and its fans, you can hardly convince a pig with a poll there. We know you like the game. We also want you to know very few like it. EG tells us how their reviewer feels about the game, and its a 2/10 to the reviewer. You can call it 10/10, so what? The reviewer call it 2/10. No conflict there. Fact is, the reviewer is gaining more and more credibility, given the way the DF community reacts. Truth hurts, the emperor coat is there no more. The way your kind deal with this, DF community is a laughing stock to gamers outside. Given the way the EG editorial reacts, they shine, they are so much more tactful and mature. Who do you think I will trust? You need a hint? Why not just go play the game and accept the fact that there is one person on earth who has spoken his mind and gave a 2/10 to the game you claimed to have fun in. There are countless who would give 1/10 or 0/10. That does not affect the gameplay itself, and if DF is fun to you, you need not be here talking. My guess, after days of laughing off my ass, is this: DF is like dry paint, or dried paint that is falling off. There is nothing in game to do, and no one else to beat each other silly. So you have to play the game of forum control, so as to justify the $50. This is MY VIEW. You need not agree with, nor adopt it.
Ok, so we like it, many dont like it. fine. done. what exactly are you trying to do? convince us? besides, I dont know of another game i should be playing instead, any suggestions? |
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I am doing exactly what you are doing, writing a post |
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Originally posted by Telre
Your hockey analogy was terrible, because you are not even close to comparing products with any similarities. Hockey as a sport aka NHL has been in existence since 1917 and has underwent numerous rule changes, refinement, etc. It is a well established product that has stood the test of time. Darkfall is an mmo that is set out to redefine mmos with grandiose promises that is has yet to live up to. The game cannot even be purchased right now for heavens sake. What would make you think it is comparable to something that has over 100 years of heritage behind it?
You can't just pick anything and wrap a comparison around it and claim that it makes a valid comparison. Aweful analogy. |
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Originally posted by kishe
I would bet any amount of money that if Ed Zitron gave Darkfall a positive score there would be no claims of invetigating his activity through server logs. Fans of the game would be cheering his review and posting it all over the web. Pointing to his past reviews of Roma Victor and Dreamlords as proof that he is willing to call a game bad when he thinks it is. Hell I bet tasos would hire someone to update their webpage just to post the review there for all to see.
Red handed is a pretty strong accusation considering the "facts". For example, does it really take more than what the roma victor team claimed ed zitron played [8 hours] to determine that roma victor was a very troubled game? Does anyone think that game required more time than that to see the issues of the game or that somehow things would have changed if only he had played for 50 hours?
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Laughing-man
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Joined: 4/23/09
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Originally posted by Anvil_Theory
WTF are you talking about, sound to me like his reviews are SPOT ON..! I played Roma Victor and within 24 hours removed it from my hard drive... where is that game now? At least that game is a free download with no monthly fees. It's not trying to pretend to be a major MMORPG and asking $52 to download the game. Aventurine is... And Dreamlords was an over glorified RTS game that thought they could make up for bad gameplay with awsome graphics. Darkfall is no different. the game is clearly still in early beta, nothing of what they claimed the game was going to be like, is remotely present and short cuts and cheapness are seen all throughout Darkfall. It clearly is an amature project and no discredit to the people who worked on their tasks, but Tasos is just incompetent. Darkfall is easily one of the worst game I have ever played. Even though the concept intrigued me, the execution and gameplay are piss-poor. Very deserving of the 2/10 score.
Yeah when I saw the title of this thread I was curious as to see if Ed was a liar.. The games that you gave examples of though were all canceled or just out right horrible. So your saying a reviewer reviewed games that are in fact horrible and gave them horrible scores... Good! |
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namelessbob
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Joined: 2/26/04
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Both games listed by the OP are complete junk, and have since fallen by the wayside as junk. If those are the games your giving as his low ratings then I say yet again that Zitron is right on the money. |
but hopefully some of the old PCZone readers will remember them.
