Wow alot of mind-readers on this thread telling us what the reviewer/s are thinking before they set pen to paper.

Originally posted by Aragon100  

Darkfall isnt for everyone and letting a carebear like this Ed guy from Eurogamer review Darkfall is born to fail. He like carebear games like LOTRO and isnt interested in Darkfall.

It's like letting the devil review the bible.

 

And letting the "hardcore" Darkfall players judge the game they play, and obviously enjoy somewhat, wouldnt seem biased? Its supposedly  the other extreme of letting a carebear review it.

So if we take the carebear score (2/10) which is biased, and then the hardcore score (maybe 7/10 on average) which is also biased... then we take an average of that and we get 4,5/10. Congratulations, it seems its pretty much an average game after all, and im glad theres people who enjoy it!

Of course, a review is something pretty subjective so there isnt any clear "right" or "wrong" with scores in general, just dont make such a big thing about it...

Lets finish with a quote from the Forumfall thread that i found pretty funny:

"Almost every mob in game is exploitable. Lots of money equals lots of loot and skill. Lots of free loot and skill equals a shitty pvp experience for those few who choose not to exploit. Guess what this leads to?

AV's fix was making mobs retarded, but also harder to exploit. kinda a bandaid."

Darkfall is comedy gold, just awesome!

There are no games that are a 10. There has never been a game that's a 10. A 10 implies the game is absolutely perfect, for every gamer, with no room for improvement in anything. In fact, other developers might as well stop making any more games as we don't need any more.

There might one day be a game that comes close, however DF is certainly not that game at the present time. (No newly released MMORPG could ever really be)

And I think if anyone gave it higher than an 8 they are looking at it through a fanboi's rose colored glasses.  No one can honestly say there isn't quite a bit of room for improvement in several areas, so rating it much above a 7 or 8, regardless how much you enjoy playing it due to certain gameplay mechanics isn't logical. 

Not saying DF isn't a good, fun game, just saying it has a ways to go before people start calling it an 8 or 9, much less a 10.

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

You can also say that 100% of the reviewers that dislike niche PvP games give those games a bad score, just like Ed did.

Why didnt he play the game before making a review on it?

We both know the answer to that, dont we?

Rubbish. His review did not give bad marks to the game because it is a "niche PvP game" but rather because of basic things that it lacked. Like good gfx, controls, good UI, good community etc. Being a "niche PvP game" is no excuse for not having those.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

You can also say that 100% of the reviewers that dislike niche PvP games give those games a bad score, just like Ed did.

Why didnt he play the game before making a review on it?

We both know the answer to that, dont we?

 

Rubbish. His review did not give bad marks to the game because it is a "niche PvP game" but rather because of basic things that it lacked. Like good gfx, controls, good UI, good community etc. Being a "niche PvP game" is no excuse for not having those.

No, DF is not lacking those is just Ed didnt want to make use of the tools DF offers. For example he didnt used the toolbar. I would like him making a review on LOTRO or nay MMO  without using the toolbar.

yet another fanbot footshot.

according to OP 20% of all that play darkfall gives it under 6 in score.

and thats from the people that plays it!!

20%

thats insane...

if we are saying 15000 people are playing darkfall, 3000 think its mediocre at best.

wow, congrats with yet another awesome victory.

Originally posted by gruminator

yet another fanbot footshot.

according to OP 20% of all that play darkfall gives it under 6 in score.

and thats from the people that plays it!!

20%

thats insane...

if we are saying 15000 people are playing darkfall, 3000 think its mediocre at best.

wow, congrats with yet another awesome victory.

Making a similar poll in WoW would result in millions. Truth is many MMO's have bored players continue to play while bored.

DF has far less then any other. 

Originally posted by gruminator

yet another fanbot footshot.

according to OP 20% of all that play darkfall gives it under 6 in score.

and thats from the people that plays it!!

20%

thats insane...

if we are saying 15000 people are playing darkfall, 3000 think its mediocre at best.

wow, congrats with yet another awesome victory.

You actually think everyone  voting in that poll is a fanbois? =)

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

You can also say that 100% of the reviewers that dislike niche PvP games give those games a bad score, just like Ed did.

Why didnt he play the game before making a review on it?

We both know the answer to that, dont we?

 

Rubbish. His review did not give bad marks to the game because it is a "niche PvP game" but rather because of basic things that it lacked. Like good gfx, controls, good UI, good community etc. Being a "niche PvP game" is no excuse for not having those.

 

No, DF is not lacking those is just Ed didnt want to make use of the tools DF offers. For example he didnt used the toolbar. I would like him making a review on LOTRO or nay MMO  without using the toolbar.

Yet another, "You aren't playing DF how it was meant to be played" reply.  Introducing DF the self-proclaimed Sandbox, that you can't play the way YOU want to play.  YOU have to play it the way THEY want you to play.  Oh no he didn't have skills on his hot bar.  For a game that brags about semi-FPSish in it's combat.  Why should thta even matter?  It's almost as asinine as complaining about someone in CS:S buying a TMP when could afford a M4.  If I can win a fight with the TMP (i.e just normal swings) then why do I have to use the M4 (i.e Hotbar with skills)  I should be free to play however I want if it really is a sandbox.

Originally posted by gruminator

yet another fanbot footshot.

according to OP 20% of all that play darkfall gives it under 6 in score.

and thats from the people that plays it!!

20%

thats insane...

if we are saying 15000 people are playing darkfall, 3000 think its mediocre at best.

wow, congrats with yet another awesome victory.

I like Polar's best: 100% of professional gaming reviews give DF a 2/10

Seriously though, even on general gaming forums, normally the user scores are higher than review scores. That's general gaming forums. The games OWN forum is normally way off.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

You can also say that 100% of the reviewers that dislike niche PvP games give those games a bad score, just like Ed did.

Why didnt he play the game before making a review on it?

We both know the answer to that, dont we?

 

Rubbish. His review did not give bad marks to the game because it is a "niche PvP game" but rather because of basic things that it lacked. Like good gfx, controls, good UI, good community etc. Being a "niche PvP game" is no excuse for not having those.

Ed from Eurogamer played the game for 3 hours - so how can he have ANY opinions on it?

The ones he had was false ones. False cause he didnt know the basic game mechanics of the game. Kinda like playing a FPS without using your weapon.

Kinda pathetic, wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Making a similar poll in WoW would result in millions. Truth is many MMO's have bored players continue to play while bored.

DF has far less then any other. 

Isn't this comparing apples and oranges? I mean, WoW has been out for years now so people have actually had time to get bored of it. Alternately, DF has only allowed a relatively small number of people to buy it. Those who have been able to buy it have to actually go out of their way to do so which increases the liklihood that they are a fan who generally knows what to expect and is actively looking for what DF has to offer.

You can also look at WoW and see that, for a lot of people, it is their first MMO. As such, while they may be bored, they are hesitent to leave. This is understnadable. They have invested time in their character(s). That said, I think you would be hard pressed to find a DF user for whom DF was their first MMO experience. So again, a different audience and mindset then WoW.

Really, why does everything come back to WoW anyhow? It seems the developer and players of DF have done everything in their power to disassociate with WoW, but a comment about WoW usually pops up within the first few pages of any DF thread....

Originally posted by 1-8-7

People complain that all games are the same and when a game comes along and does things different, people complain.  Everyone I know playing DF love it.

stop right there... different how?

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

You can also say that 100% of the reviewers that dislike niche PvP games give those games a bad score, just like Ed did.

Why didnt he play the game before making a review on it?

We both know the answer to that, dont we?

 

Rubbish. His review did not give bad marks to the game because it is a "niche PvP game" but rather because of basic things that it lacked. Like good gfx, controls, good UI, good community etc. Being a "niche PvP game" is no excuse for not having those.

 

Ed from Eurogamer played the game for 3 hours - so how can he have ANY opinions on it?

If you don't have a feeling or so much as an opinion about a game after 3 hours of playing.  I'm sorry but you might want to check your pulse because you are probably dead.  I can draw several opinions of a game without even getting passed character creation.  Those can range from the Game Laucnher, Installation, Patching, Loading Times, Graphic options, Audio Options, and Customization of Avatar.  All of that without even taking one step in the game world.

I thought it was a good review and its about time we had a real mmo review , im sick of being told xx game is great only to buy it and realise i was lied to and its a giant piece of crap.

Now id also like to say that as darkfall is a "sandbox" mmo and people say how can he know anything after 3 hours, arent you supose to be able to do anything from the get go in a sandbox mmo ???  so why couldnt anyone form an opinion in 3 hours then. (altho i do bleave he played for at least 10 hours)

Holy crap I have never seen a group of people so butt-hurt as DF fans.

They gaven overwhelmingy terrible review of an overwhelmingly terrible game.  Its not as if they're the only site to do so.  The fact that the community pounces on them in fits of rabid nerd-rage demonstrates exactly the kind of people that stick with this awful excuse for an MMO.

Originally posted by Aragon100

It's been alot of discussion wether Darkfall is worth a low score or a high one after the Eurogamer review.

There have also been a discussion if the Eurogamer reviewer actually played the game before making his review on Darkfall.

I think that the Eurogamer reviewer didnt enter Darkfall with an open mind. He had his score thought out BEFORE he logged in first time.

What puzzles me is how a reviewer can act like he did.

If he dont have an open mind to Darkfall then he isnt the one that should make this review. He is coloured with his negativism before logging in.

This is how the players of Darkfall rates the game and the result is as you all can see very far from the Eurogamer reviewers score of 2/10 -

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381

80% of today Darkfall players rate the game btw 6 and 10.

I give Darkfall a 9.

Darkfall isnt for everyone and letting a carebear like this Ed guy from Eurogamer review Darkfall is born to fail. He like carebear games like LOTRO and isnt interested in Darkfall.

It's like letting the devil review the bible.

Worst part of it all is that he didnt even play Darkfall before making his review.

I would be ashamed of myself if i were Ed Zirgon.

1. The poll is suspect, because its comprised primarily of active players, most of whom are predisposed to liking it.  If you could get the majority of ex-players to rank it, the score would be much, much lower.
2. Even from that crowd, a more telling number is that most of the players polled (the curve, at 68.59 percent) only rate the game between 6 and 8.  More people rate the game a 5 than they do either a 9 or 10.  According to eurogamer's scoring policy, this means most players rank the game from between merely "good" to "almost brilliant". So, even amongst active players, most of them don't  think the game is brilliant or immaculate.
3. I voted a six, before I evaluated the categories (probably like most voters). Personally, given the categories in the post, I'd rank the game a 5 (my average was 5.4), which is pretty much the same I'd rank it according to the more subjective eurogamer policy.  I think the ideas in Darkfall are cool.  It has a lot of potential, but implementation--in it's present state--is far from perfect. People are willing to forgive a lot because they enjoy certain aspects of the game, but in the long term, the game needs improvement, IMO.  That being said, the last few patches make it pretty clear Aventurine is working on polishing their game, but much of what they've added proves how incomplete the game was at launch.
4. I do think Ed's review is suspsect.  He doesn't seem to have played the game for any reasonable amount of time (I'm not talking hundreds of hours, but maybe a few days of testing, doing quests, meeting people, etc...).  As I said, using the eurogamer scale, I'd rate it a 5, so I think 2 is pretty harsh.  That being said, 5 sure ain't great.
5. When you resort to name callng, you basically invalidate any points you may have.  All it does is prove you're a fanatic on the opposite end of the spectrum as Ed Zitron.

I pretty much came to the same conclusions using three different ranking systems (an average score of 5):

• Darkfall Poll - 5.4
• eurogamer - 5
• mmorpg.com - 4.25

As an example of how I rated the game, per the mmorpg.com ratings scale:

• Graphics: 6 - I try to take both graphics technology and graphical style into consideration.  Regarding the tech - it's old.  It's not EQ 1 old, but it's not great.  That being said, I'm not a graphics whore and, if the style is cohesive and appropriate to the medium, I think that gives good weight to the score.  The problem I have in darkfall is that the style isn't always cohesive.  The world, in general, is pretty, but the character models and animations are pretty bad.  As I mentioned in another post, check out the dwarf feet on the character creation screen - they suck!  Check out the first person mage hands - they suck!  Trees? Suckage (some, not all), even though the branches may sway in the non-existent wind.
• Sound: 3 - it's awful
• Role playing: 2 - it doesn't really exist except for the fact that you're controlling an avatar
• Value: 1 - 1 character on 1 server, but costs approximately the same as more polished AAA titles.  I understand the reasoning behind the 1 character/server, but it'd be nice to have at least two servers so that you could play characters from different factions without compromising intelligence.
• Fun: 7 - the game definitely has fun aspects, most notably the pvp.  I don't rank it higher because there are definitely mind-numbingly boring aspects to it, too, like the resource gathering, skill-grinding the 5 skill levels, etc...  Here's an example of how fishing went for me last night when I actually starting doing quests (which, by the way, so far are the same kill ten rats, get 5 skins, etc... type quests found in other games - nothing innovative, so far):
  • Find a spot to fish and start fishing
  • Failure
  • Failure
  • Failure
  • Failure
  • Failure
  • Failure
  • Failure (at least 7 - yup)
  • Message about there being no fish because the resource is depleted.  Seriously?  I had to try 7 times just to find out there wasn't anything there?  Why not just tell me the first time? Unfortunately, when a body of water is depleted, you have to find another body of water, even when the body of water is pretty large.  A better approach might be just to move to another location in the same body, but no.  There are several bodies of water, but they're large and few compared to the rocks and tree nodes you can't go 10 feet without tripping over.
  • Eventually, my third body of water had resources, so I farmed it until i got my two salmon, which wasn't until after I'd found at least 10 other items (nacre, herring, trout, etc...)..  I have mixed feelings about node harvesting.  On one hand, I was able to harvest 25 wood from a single tree and go up 10.8 skill points in one fell swoop, but should I be able to do that so easily?  I basically started harvestng and alt-tabbed out to check email - it's that mindless...
• Community: 5 - the official boards are pretty much a cesspool, due in part to the fact that pvp can tend to bring out the lowest common denominator in players, but also because the moderators don't reign in any bad behavior.  In fact, some of the moderators are pretty bad themselves. In the game, I've found my racial/alliance chat to be pretty friendly and even helpful.  That being said, as a maharim, I'm most often killed by other maharim, not other races, which is a little discouraging, since there doesn't seem to be any point to the pvp, at least at that level.  I'm ok killing and being killed, but ultimately--in a MMO--there should be some underlying reason other than just "gank the newb".  If I wanted mindless killing i'd go to a LAN party.  So, the score is mixed.  There are good and bad aspects to the community, as a whole.
• Performance/Lag: 9 - I haven't participated in any large scale battles, but so far, performance seems to be great, even on my older machine (Inspiron E1705 with 2GB 667 MHz RAM, 7200 RPM HD, Nvidia Go 7900GS 256MB at 1920x1200 resolution), reasonably high settings, but with shadows turned off.  AA doesn't seem to work for my card (even though it supports up to 8x) within the actual game.  I havent' tried forcing it through the NVidia control panel yet.
• Customer Service: 1 - Simply put, it sucks.  Have you read the horror stories?  Account management and billing, which is ultimately part of customer service, is very, very poorly done.  Three examples stand out:
  1. The player who''s name was too short.  He was able to create it, but the game won't recognize it and support has been really, really unhelpful
  2. Game accounts have been banned, but the actual player account is still active, meaning the banned players can be billed.  Personally, I think this serves them right, the cheating douchebags, but it underscores that game and account management aren't synchronized, which is a potential problem for legitimate players, too.
  3. There's a 124 page (as of now) stickied post on the ofifcial boards for people having account/authentication problems.  Ouch...

~Ripper

df only has 10k people so its mean NOTHING game is still garbage and not worth spending 1 cent on till theres a free trial

Originally posted by Aragon100
 

Ed from Eurogamer played the game for 3 hours - so how can he have ANY opinions on it?

The ones he had was false ones. False cause he didnt know the basic game mechanics of the game. Kinda like playing a FPS without using your weapon.

Kinda pathetic, wouldn't you say?

Let me take a swing at this... He played the game, therefore he can have an opinion? Hell, I haven't played the game and I believe I am entitled to an opinion. And lets be honest, you can't keep saying "he only played 3 hours". He said he played 9, Tasos said he played 3. Not saying which one is right, but either can you is my point.

So according to DF fans: You can't have opinions if you didn't play and now you changed your position to you can't have an opinion if you play the game between 3-9 hours. Sorry, when can we have an opinion again? I played EVE for 45mins and said NOOOO thanks, not the game for me. Lots of people love it, I wish I did because it sounds great, but I just can't get into it.

Should he have have written a review of the game after 9 hours? Probably not. But he apparently hated it so much he couldn't take it anymore... that is not really an opinion.

And your logic of the fans is just getting retarded. He was able to swing his sword, he fought other people, etc. He played obviously. A better point would be from Counter-Strike, if you hit B to buy, then scrolled through the menu, looked at the guns, picked one, then did B again to buy, then bought ammo, then ran off to fight. That is like what Ed did. He didn't have an auto buy button but he still could get his sword and fight, just took more time to switch weapons. Stop using the analogy it's like playing WoW without a hotbar, because it's not and if it was exactly like that then you're all liars because you said the combat is nothing like carebear "hit 1,2,3" combat. Which is it? ... Don't have to answer that, I already know.

i would tend to agree if the eurogamer reviewer did only play for 3 hours but i cant see in the review anything stating he played for such a short amount of time . personaly i can tell within the first week of play weather an mmo is something i ll enjoy or not . if theres something horrendously wrong with it as there was with vangard at its lauch i can tell pretty much from the outset its not the game for me . i would agree though its not enough time to really give it a review though . i ve not played darkfall  and have no intention of doing so untill theres a free trial . if you go by comments in forums and review such as this its not hard to guess that you d more likly than not find it an unrewarding experiance and a total waste of money . i m sure it ll stuggle on for a year or so before going the way of tabula rasa .

its a shame to see another mmo looking like it will fail  but hey its not all doom and gloom theres plenty of interesting games on the horizon like aion and champions online . by the time this folds there will be plenty of other things to try .

Originally posted by Aragon100

It's been alot of discussion wether Darkfall is worth a low score or a high one after the Eurogamer review.

There have also been a discussion if the Eurogamer reviewer actually played the game before making his review on Darkfall.

I think that the Eurogamer reviewer didnt enter Darkfall with an open mind. He had his score thought out BEFORE he logged in first time.

What puzzles me is how a reviewer can act like he did.

If he dont have an open mind to Darkfall then he isnt the one that should make this review. He is coloured with his negativism before logging in.

This is how the players of Darkfall rates the game and the result is as you all can see very far from the Eurogamer reviewers score of 2/10 -

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381

80% of today Darkfall players rate the game btw 6 and 10.

I give Darkfall a 9.

Darkfall isnt for everyone and letting a carebear like this Ed guy from Eurogamer review Darkfall is born to fail. He like carebear games like LOTRO and isnt interested in Darkfall.

It's like letting the devil review the bible.

Worst part of it all is that he didnt even play Darkfall before making his review.

I would be ashamed of myself if i were Ed Zirgon.

 

 

/fail

Is it a surprise to anyone that people playing DF like it?  This post was a waste. 

This means nothing as the score is biased.  This is like asking a chef if he likes to cook.

You assume Ed is a particular way buy you know nothing about him.

80% of people talking about darkfall havnt played it.

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by gruminator

yet another fanbot footshot.

according to OP 20% of all that play darkfall gives it under 6 in score.

and thats from the people that plays it!!

20%

thats insane...

if we are saying 15000 people are playing darkfall, 3000 think its mediocre at best.

wow, congrats with yet another awesome victory.

 

You actually think everyone  voting in that poll is a fanbois? =)

 

 

you come walzing in, throw this poll as it was the only truth.

when i turn it against you, you start to backpaddle and spin.

Originally posted by Aragon100

It's been alot of discussion wether Darkfall is worth a low score or a high one after the Eurogamer review.

There have also been a discussion if the Eurogamer reviewer actually played the game before making his review on Darkfall.

I think that the Eurogamer reviewer didnt enter Darkfall with an open mind. He had his score thought out BEFORE he logged in first time.

What puzzles me is how a reviewer can act like he did.

If he dont have an open mind to Darkfall then he isnt the one that should make this review. He is coloured with his negativism before logging in.

This is how the players of Darkfall rates the game and the result is as you all can see very far from the Eurogamer reviewers score of 2/10 -

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=185381

80% of today Darkfall players rate the game btw 6 and 10.

I give Darkfall a 9.

Darkfall isnt for everyone and letting a carebear like this Ed guy from Eurogamer review Darkfall is born to fail. He like carebear games like LOTRO and isnt interested in Darkfall.

It's like letting the devil review the bible.

Worst part of it all is that he didnt even play Darkfall before making his review.

I would be ashamed of myself if i were Ed Zirgon.

 

 

Who gives a shit what the people who play darkfall rate the game.. If your not a complete idiot you would know that they would give it a high rating.. Why you ask? Because they like it and that is obvious by them playing it..

You stupid excuse to why df dont suck is because the ppl who play it rate it at a 9? wooppty fkn dooo

You people dont know what a Review is do you.. Your idea to let someone who likes the game or genre already rate the game that is a biased review and is BS from the get go. So get over your selfs someone hates your fkn game BIG FKN DEAL.

Originally posted by aleos

80% of people talking about darkfall havnt played it.

99.999999% of all statistics are made up.