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Originally posted by firefly2003
I will quote this just so ppl can see it again. BEAUTIFUL! |
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Originally posted by Rasputin
I agree completely. If he truly backed Ed, there is no way in hell he would do a 2nd review. That is as big a cave-in as you can expect. It is not a cave in.. it is a manager willing to put his failth in his guys on the line. Its called accountability, which your nobe Tasos and AV have none. |
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Originally posted by Ruyn
Fixed that for you. To be frank, Zitron did exactly what editorial writers are supposed to do: stir up enough debate to cause people to notice whatever publication they're representing. Its not 'bad journalism' as many clueless people have claimed, its editorial/opinion writing. He is under no obligation to present a fair and balanced view of the game (if there is such a thing), only to present his view. Zitron is probably laughing at you as we speak. Hardly 'owned.'
He is very much owned. Even his boss is undermining him by allowing for another review with a different writer. It's one thing to diss something, another thing entirely different when you falsify information. I pity the fools who trust this guy.
You have no clue what business world is, nor did you care to read the official EG reply. First, Zit did his job, and job done. Second, the official reply from EG clearly stated that EG supports Zit and said that Zit's background is solid. Not a single word from the official reply show a trace of hesitation in backing Zit. Go read, and stop bullshit. As for getting a second review, that is normal. After a doctor told my mom she got cancer, he said: to be safe, go get a second opinion before we talk about surgery. That is normal professional advice. Nothing to the discredit of Zit. If you have issues understanding this. Never mind. |
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Originally posted by oronisi I don't play this game (though I might) and I don't consider myself a fanboy either but I sure feel sorry for you and your inability to appreciate this mass uproar about that weak excuse for a 'review' on Eurogamer. Sure, to some folks DF might be a 2/10. But for anyone with a remote idea of how proper journalism is done that reviewer should get a 2/10 as well.
You know, I don't know where people got the idea that reviews should be unbiased. You read a review looking for a reason to play or not play. The best way to form an opinion of your own (without performing the action yourself) is to learn about others' experiences. Ed is certainly biased. I think it's funny that he writes about twich-based combat as universally accepted as bad in an MMO environment. None-the-less, his DF review was honest and opinionated. It's not inaccurate or overly harsh. Maybe if he put a big disclaimer at the beginning - "Hi, I'm Ed and I like traditional MMOs like LOTRO. DF was not built for people like me, but I reviewed it anyways." would set the fanboys at ease. I personally would give DF a 2/10. Coincidentally, the same score I'd give Dark and Light. I reserve scores like 4/10 for games that stink but were complete like Tabula Rasa. For reference - I'd give: AoC a 5/10 for having a ton of potential but failing to deliver WoW a 8/10 for being rock-solid on what it does, despite not being my cup of tea DDO a 6/10 for being DDO...an almost MMO that wears MMO clothing SWG a 7/10 for being a great game with a ton of bugs and balance issues SWG NGE a 4/10 for doubling the crappiness of the original SWG LOTRO a 7/10 for being almost as good as WoW at being WoW The original Neverwinter Nights on AOL a 9/10 because it was unique and offered what I didn't think was technically possible at the time. the 1/10 was with-held due to the 500(eventually 750) space server.
Did he play WoW, AoC or WAR without using the hotbar? No. You know why? Because it will be almost impossible, and make the game almost unplayable.
THAT tells everything about his "review". |
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Originally posted by Roflan
What? The people playing Darkfall aren't HARDCORE. They think they are...!
They are wannabee's that heard all their life about HARDCORe games and are trying so desperatly to act and portray themselves as HARDCORE. All these retards are doing is running around telling themselves how tough they are. I never laughed so hard in my life... I joined a 200 person Darkfall Clan. It was nothing but 17-21 year olds, telling themselves how they are going to be the uberest guild and how they are great gankers. Verbally cutting down other alliances clans and how we are the best, etc. It was all bravado. Give me a full-fledged FPS game like BF 2142 and I would mow down 20 of them, because they are that clueless. These DFO players are all about the smack talk, camradarie and self bravado. (IE:Talk) It was humorous to see these young kids trying so hard to differentiate and establish themselves as some new breed or ubr-baddazz.... in a game that has the worst first person game-play and is the least succesful MMORPG released in the last 6 years. So, when you bring up reality to them, you crush their dreams...!! Meaning, when you mention to them Darkfall is recognized globally as a flop (probably go bankrupt in a few months), that ruins all these self proclaimed uber Fanbois world. Which scars them, knowing that their Clans might have to move to another game where they have to back up their talk. Case in point is when I goaded a couple of vocal Clan Members into buying BF 2142 and then proceeded to watch these retards move around in a real FPS game, with no rules, team PvP envireonment and realize they have no real skills at all. Even after 2 weeks they couldn't cope. One did and no longer play DFO. They had learned there is more to online FPS than zerging an opponent. ... lol
Note: (in a few polls) 30% of the people who play Darkfall are under the age of 18 The largest age group who plays Darkfall was 17-24 yrs old. That was more than both the 25-30yrd old group and 31+ yr old group..! |
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Originally posted by oddjobs74 You are a moron.. It is not a cave in.. it is a manager willing to put his failth in his guys on the line. Its called accountability, which your nobe Tasos and AV have none. Actually you are all off the mark.
Don't be so naive as to see the true motive behind all this.
The EuroGamer site derives it's money from people visiting the site. The more visits... the more money they make. Considering the amount of traffic and general interest that this scandal has created... Do you think that a second Review... with the proper lead-up and a bit of teasing... will generate even more hits for EuroGamer? Or less?
Heh... it's pretty obvious what the real motive behind all this is. The real question is... Is Tasos in on it, or just a patsy. My money is on patsy... but you never know. |
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Originally posted by xzyax You are a moron.. It is not a cave in.. it is a manager willing to put his failth in his guys on the line. Its called accountability, which your nobe Tasos and AV have none. Actually you are all off the mark.
Don't be so naive as to see the true motive behind all this.
The EuroGamer site derives it's money from people visiting the site. The more visits... the more money they make. Considering the amount of traffic and general interest that this scandal has created... Do you think that a second Review... with the proper lead-up and a bit of teasing... will generate even more hits for EuroGamer? Or less?
Heh... it's pretty obvious what the real motive behind all this is. The real question is... Is Tasos in on it, or just a patsy. My money is on patsy... but you never know. Yeah I can see where your'e comming from and it makes sense. Unless Tasos asked if he could get a kick back, like "Hey if I do this can you pay my electric bill? I just banned 213 guys and untill I can get more to play with the remaining 6 guys, Im gonna be light on the electric bill".. Then I do not think Tasos is in on it.. |
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Completely childish and unprofessional on Tasos' behalf. How can you expect to make your product better if you're not willing to acknowledge that some do not think the sun shines on your game's butt? Tasos only seems to welcome the warm, fuzzy, butt-powdering feedback by his legion of zealots. If it's on the shelf, it's open to scrutiny; take the good with the bad and do what you can as a producer to ensure the bad is not said again. Tasos, grow up! |
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Originally posted by Darkfalrocks
Because it's obvious the website started a guild there...how many of those people even understand irony, much less subscribe to it? |
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Originally posted by Irishoak
Because it's obvious the website started a guild there...how many of those people even understand irony, much less subscribe to it? Wrong. This whole thing was started by three players just wanting to bring a smile upon their fellow gamers by declaring WAR to a guild which was named somehow like a magazine which has currently published a fairly unfair and (proofen) badly researched review about the game we love to play. Thats all. Now the nerdrage is going on on nearly every community board around. ;) Vivist http://www.casualgamer.de for more details and the storry from the inside view.
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tombear81
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Joined: 3/17/07
"Meeza spullon and gramma is ou me ma taut me. Yousa no write be nasta to ma speelin n a grumma !" |
I find this kind of sad. Not community but more a set of people that bought an overly expensive game (some more so than others with the triple billing). All of whom are now in complete denial as the third months passes and the forums are still wild west. Hacking accusations rampant and the smell of moronic nerd rage seeping out of the game. But who knows maybe DF will get better ? .. *silence* |
Originally posted by tombear81 Isn't this the game people were saying would give a home to all the people that like that sort of thing so the rest of us wouldn't be bothered by them, and it did, and it still bothers you? WTF? "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." ~Greys Law |
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The level of blind hatred for Darkfall Online - a video game - is fascinating. |
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Originally posted by Lidane According to Tasos, who, of course, has always been completely reliable and honest. On the other hand, Eurogamer stand by the writer and say he played longer than Tasos claims. It's all in who you choose to believe. Personally, I don't care how long the guy played the game. It's all hilarious to me, because if he'd played for the same amount of time and given DF an 8 or a 9, none of the butthurt threads on this forum would exist, Tasos wouldn't be nerdraging, and fanboys wouldn't be declaring war on a website. Rather, everyone would be kissing this guy's ass for having the insight to enjoy Darkfall. It's all about the low score, and nothing else. That's what makes it all funny to me. If he'd given a positive review, none of this drama would be happening right now, and no one would give a shit how long he played.
QFT!! Couldn't have said it better myself. Great post.
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Originally posted by LynxJSA
They are fans of another game simple enough, what we like and would like to do is to show that our point of view could also be right but it's not just possible. Why is this? It's weird that there is so many professional trolls in the mmorpg.com forums anyway, there are rare few constructive discussions in the forums nowadays. |
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Originally posted by Darkfalrocks
Now the site has a bad reputation. The only thing that is futile is any future attempts at journalism from Ed Zitron. Tasos owned him, now the server just owned him and Eurogamer.
No offense, but Eurogamer's reputation is perfectly fine. Tasos far from owned him, as it far from certain the information posted by Tasos was accurate. Granted Tasos has always been upfront and honest, a glowing example of intergity ,but it could happen. Also, Ed Zitron has actually been rather spot on with his reviews of other indy titles, such as RV. Also, having a group of guilds declaring "war" on Eurogamer is far from owning them. It only shows how truly insecure they are. A reviewer is paid to review a game, post his opinions. All this shows in the end is how far AV and the DF fanboi soldiers are willing to try and censor anyone who disagrees with them. Viva La Darkfall |
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atziluth
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Joined: 9/18/04
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I find it funny that so many call this writer a liar, but take at face value everything Tasos claims to be true. His claims that almost 300 people have access to these logs are either a lie, or he is incredibly stupid. The admins and NOC more then likely only have access to server event logs which are completely seperate from game and account logs. There is absolutely NO reason for them to have access to these logs let alone check them. The 40 developers working on the game more then likely do not have access to ALL the logs. Why would an artist in the company or UI developer need access to user account logs? So there would not be a need for some great conspiracy to change logs. The probability is that these logs can only be accessed by certain people in AV to protect information leaks. Even fewer people would be able to modify such logs. This is pretty standard for every other professional company. This leads me to believe that Tasos is once again lying (shocker) in order to deflect any responsibility in this matter. Was the review over the top, yes. Was there quite a bit of truth as well, yes. If Tasos is telling the truth, that would be akin to a national bank giving access of all account transactions to every employee in the company including the cleaning staff, guards, and the deli down the street that makes sandwiches for the company. So fanboys you are left with only two options, Tasos is a liar or Tasos is an idiot. You decide. -Atziluth- - Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity. |
Originally posted by DocExtraBeam Wrong. This whole thing was started by three players just wanting to bring a smile upon their fellow gamers by declaring WAR to a guild which was named somehow like a magazine which has currently published a fairly unfair and (proofen) badly researched review about the game we love to play. Thats all. Now the nerdrage is going on on nearly every community board around. ;) Vivist http://www.casualgamer.de for more details and the storry from the inside view.
DEB
Umm, you don't get out much, do you? I do like the "Wrong," though. Re-read my post and then follow this link. Go ahead, I'll give you a couple of minutes... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/facetious ...back, ok. Here you go. Man, the internet is a vast repository of dumb.
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Originally posted by LynxJSA
I think it's pretty well focused, not blind. For the most part the "fans" don't help the game and the people actually running the game, man... Come on, it's fun to kick the puppy, join in, you know you want to. |
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Originally posted by LynxJSA There are mental midgets bigger than you.. are you a mongoloid? Where do you get blind from?? Try saying this: The level of blind fanatisism for Darkfail Online - a vieo game is fascinating. |
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tombear81
Novice Member
Joined: 3/17/07
"Meeza spullon and gramma is ou me ma taut me. Yousa no write be nasta to ma speelin n a grumma !" |
Originally posted by Irishoak
QFT This is why DF is so great. Sort of sad but hey this is a game everyone can get somethimg out of. Thank you Lord Tasos oh king of clowning... Though seriously it is worrynig that the abuse of customer by AV will set a enw standard. Gods imagine there still going in a years time with triple billnig, hackng and morons galore. |
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Hahahah. That's great stuff. Well it's all for me grog, me jolly jolly grog,
all for me beer and tobacco! |
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ilydamdris
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Joined: 12/25/07
And his name, that sat on him, was Death. And Hell followed with him. |
I would love to see this websites reaction to one of the two possible extremes, should they occur. Either the game ultimately fails like a lot predict, and clloses its doors forever, or the game ultimately succeeds, and becomes a AAA mmo, that garners millions of subscribers. I wonder what sort of chaos would happen then. Perhaps then, we'd have an "I told ya so" war. Or perhaps Neener Neener Neener. |
