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Originally posted by Pumpkinhero The problem with this is that most people (the public) expect a review of a game withing weeks if not days after it is released. There is pressure on review sites to post a review while there is a large amount of interest and "buzz" about a game. If they wait, lets say a few months after release, the review would be received with less interest (and less visits to the web site). A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true... |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
This is something I don't understand, why does not liking DF automatically means you like WoW and vice versa? Why always go to the two extremes?
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof. |
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Originally posted by Izure
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof. in the paragraph with the highlighted text you made no point and proved nothing. there was no example there you just tried attacking someone by labeling them as someone who likes WoW. As i said before you liking a game is no indication of quality neither is me liking WoW and indication of quality. Now you are attacking another poster that didn't even put down your beloved godsend and calling him a troll. If you could just stop being a ... fanbot for a second your posts would suck considerably less ass. This is a message to the general populace of MMORPG.com as it is literally a black hole of fun that once you are swallowed up by, it is very hard to escape and makes everything in gaming a little less fun. Best thing you can do is do your own research and stop reading these boards because nothing will ever be good enough and everything will suck always forever if it makes its way into a discussion here. |
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Originally posted by Izure
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
Thank you for proving my point. Why does me making a comment regarding an broad assumption you made make me any able to "handle a game that does not give me a tutorial"? As to being a troll, I challenge you to find a single post of mine that attacks the game or its players for liking the game. My point was that, as you say, you could have picked any game for your example but you (like others here) always pick WoW. It is just an observation not an attack. Now I do find it funny that on the one hand you agree that liking one game does not mean one hate/like another game but, based on my one post, you figure I am a troll and can only "handle" games that include a tutorial... A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true... |
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Originally posted by Izure
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
Thanks for you opinion.
And for the others, I simply stated that you guys are trolls, because you guys derail thread always, to me thats trolling. And If I wasnt quoting you why are you even in the conversation, again another trolling technique. I am not hear to argue, just to state my opinions, and to prove that people who say facts about a game that are really their opinions. |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design.
Thanks.
Which would explain the current burnout that is being soothed by coming and trolling & hijacking threads about a game he hasn't played. As to the original question that was asked before this thread got hijacked, it's not a bright line. The more time spent playing, the more credibility a reviewer will generally have (assuming he/she is not too over the top in the review and doesn't make too many factual errors.) If one were to imagine a cartesian axis with only the top right quadrant visible (since it's not really possible to have negative time played or credibility), with the x axis representing time played and the y axis representing credibility, about 80% of the people attacking DF would be right at the junction. Of course, there are people defending DF who would be well to the right of the y axis but not have moved above the x axis at all. Clear as mud? |
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Originally posted by Izure
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
Thanks for you opinion.
And for the others, I simply stated that you guys are trolls, because you guys derail thread always, to me thats trolling. And If I wasnt quoting you why are you even in the conversation, again another trolling technique. I am not hear to argue, just to state my opinions, and to prove that people who say facts about a game that are really their opinions.
What opinion. Is your definition of a Hardcore PvP sandbox game, a broken, unfinished, poorly implemented game? Because i can show you some PvP sandbox games that are not. This is not one of them.
How you can rationalize to yourself that this game design 101 fact, is somehow someones opinion, i don't think i will ever understand. I also, did not hijack the thread.
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
Thanks for you opinion.
And for the others, I simply stated that you guys are trolls, because you guys derail thread always, to me thats trolling. And If I wasnt quoting you why are you even in the conversation, again another trolling technique. I am not hear to argue, just to state my opinions, and to prove that people who say facts about a game that are really their opinions.
What opinion. Is your definition of a Hardcore PvP sandbox game, a broken, unfinished, poorly implemented game? Because i can show you some PvP sandbox games that are not. This is not one of them.
How you can rationalize to yourself that this game design 101 fact, is somehow someones opinion, i don't think i will ever understand. I also, did not hijack the thread.
MMORPG are never finished first of all. Poorly implemented, when did you ever see a indie company making a perfect launch yet alone even a giant company. Its not broken, give me some facts saying its broken, to me its exactly what I want, if they add more it be better. Darkfall shows me the fun, because it made the fun and I execute that fun. Buy me seeing a enemy I attack and fight and its fun. K so you failed 3 times so far. The reviewers were too themeparked to play this game if you read this review you would understand this OR BETTER YET DID YOU TRY DARKFALL? lol. Darkfall is a success since it showed me the fun, so you failed yet again. Lol how can you argue this? its a niche group and smart people expecting this from a indie company and are willing to pay til it get polished even more then it is now(which is every week I might add). yes you did hijack this thread. Reviewers mostly said good stuff about this game thus far, some didnt, but the majority I saw did. Which is probably why I bought the game and having a blast. That my friend is game design 101 when the devs create something you can have fun on, which is what they did.
And yes you are stating its broken unfinished and didnt implement well. I disagree for your most part, and thats my opinions and yours is yours, so yes it is your opinion, learn the difference kiddo. |
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Originally posted by Izure
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
Thanks for you opinion.
And for the others, I simply stated that you guys are trolls, because you guys derail thread always, to me thats trolling. And If I wasnt quoting you why are you even in the conversation, again another trolling technique. I am not hear to argue, just to state my opinions, and to prove that people who say facts about a game that are really their opinions.
What opinion. Is your definition of a Hardcore PvP sandbox game, a broken, unfinished, poorly implemented game? Because i can show you some PvP sandbox games that are not. This is not one of them.
How you can rationalize to yourself that this game design 101 fact, is somehow someones opinion, i don't think i will ever understand. I also, did not hijack the thread.
MMORPG are never finished first of all. Poorly implemented, when did you ever see a indie company making a perfect launch let alone even a giant company. Its not broken, give me some facts saying its broken, to me its exactly what I want, if they add more it be better. Darkfall shows me the fun, because it made the fun and I execute that fun. By me seeing a enemy I attack and fight and its fun. K so you failed 3 times so far. The reviewers were too themeparked to play this game and review it accurate, if you read this review you would understand this OR BETTER YET DID YOU TRY DARKFALL? lol. Darkfall is a success since it showed me the fun, so you failed yet again. Lol how can you argue this? its a niche group and smart people expecting this from a indie company and are willing to pay til it get polished even more then it is now(which is every week I might add). yes you did hijack this thread. Reviewers mostly said good stuff about this game thus far, some didnt, but the majority I saw did. Which is probably why I bought the game and having a blast. That my friend is game design 101 when the devs create something you can have fun on, which is what they did.
And yes you are stating its broken unfinished and didnt implement well. I disagree for your most part, and thats my opinions and yours is yours, so yes it is your opinion, learn the difference kiddo.
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If you write a positive review about darkfall and state you tried it 2 hours they will say you understand the spirit of the game. If you write a negative review they will state you suck and then send their forum bullies to your site for harrasment. |
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Originally posted by Izure
AoC launch was smooth server-wise. The unfinished content post 40 is what ruined it for most and the LIES the company stated about not using many instances then end up using nothing but instances. Yet it was a successful launch. Keyword being lies, something AV did ALOT of to its consumer-base, hence why there are so many angry haters of the game. People don't like being lied to. LoTRO, one of the best launches I ever played in. Enough said, doesn't mean I liked the game, but it was successful. TCoS. Small indie company whose MMO was so polished and great it was picked up by 3 BIG distributors, one of them being Acclaim. See? Small indie companies can do it too.
DF was under development for 8-9 years, why can all these other companies do it under less time then they did? Rhetorical question.
You want facts saying its broken? Tasos assured everyone that there are no client crashes anymore, yet when people start posting on the DF forums about still experiencing crashes, the threads got closed and customer support continued ignoring more claims of client crashes: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. Of course the fanboys screamed at people and said GET A NEW COMPUTER. weeks later AV admits to more client crashes on their behalf and address some of them in the may 1 patch: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. So first they deny the claims, next they admit to it quietly.
More customer support complaints and anger over the massive hacking/exploiting on a site that doesn't even deal in gaming: www.dslreports.com/forum/r22180009-Darkfall-Drama-is-their-customer-support-that-bad. In this thread has a VERY detailed lsit of ALL THe broken features, in case u missed it because you are a fanboy and refuse to admit to facts i will paste them in this SAME thread
More darkfall wall hacks: www.metacafe.com/watch/2682141/darkfall_hacks_the_darkfall_hacks_wallhack/ If I can find a trajectory mod hack video I'll make sure to post it, because they are in-game
More hacks that are still common, wait for the next wave of hackers to get banned and the store will open again: www.youtube.com/watch. Yeah that's a flying ship. The link discussing this popular hack: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Old war exploit: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php Now the reason I linked this eventhough they finally fixed it is that this was being screamed about during the brief closed beta. The devs did nothing about it. This is a common exploit that no game under development for 8-9 years shouldve been suspectible too.
And another link from the Goons blogging about common exploits still going on such as declaring war on your own alliance to avoid others from declaring war on you, and the good old "jiggling ethernet cord" so as to avoid being ganked. Another simple common MMO exploit that should've been dealt with a long time ago.
Link from a respectable non-biased review blog: www.keenandgraev.com in case u disagree with Eurogamer's review.
Simple facts. Shall I go on?
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If a game hasn't caught you within the first hour, it has failed. Old school MMORPG Player. WTB What the Darkfall Website and the fanboi's won't tell you about Darkfall: |
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Depends on who you ask and what your initial opinion is. It ranges from 'never having actually played it' to 'until stockholm syndrome sets in'. |
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Originally posted by kakasaki This. People expect game sites and gaming magazines to have reviews published right when a game first releases. That means deadlines. That also means that professional reviewers will have stacks of games to play and review at a time, and in short order. It's unrealistic to expect them to spend 40, 80, or even more hours playing a single game before reviewing it.
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There is a difference between having an opinion and an established reviewing venue publishing a critique. You can have an opinion of Darkfall or any game w/o even playing it. A credible review of a game necessitates its completion (if it's a single player game) or experiencing all features of gameplay (if it's a MMORPG). So, which is the poll asking? I believe you were meant 'how long does it take before you can make a credible review of Darkfall.' Looking at the results of the poll, I think I've come to the conclusion that this community is just silly. _______________________________________________ The noob formally not known as not being the formally not unkown known APEist; The Stone Cold Killer of Tarq. |
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damian7
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Originally posted by Random_mage
If sieging and the like is SOO important, then why isn't it more accessible to the entire gameplay population? (this includes those who just logged in, and those who aren' t in clans) I mean, if it's such an important feature, why is it hidden in time?
poor game design based upon uo circa 1998? you can jump right into the fighting at lvl 1 in warhammer online. could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please? |
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You've got to be joking! This community is the only reason I come to this site. How else am I supposed to perfect my superiority complex? But seriously. Don't take anything you read here, or at any gaming forum seriously-- seriously. |
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Originally posted by Nevulus
AoC launch was smooth server-wise. The unfinished content post 40 is what ruined it for most and the LIES the company stated about not using many instances then end up using nothing but instances. Yet it was a successful launch. Keyword being lies, something AV did ALOT of to its consumer-base, hence why there are so many angry haters of the game. People don't like being lied to. LoTRO, one of the best launches I ever played in. Enough said, doesn't mean I liked the game, but it was successful. TCoS. Small indie company whose MMO was so polished and great it was picked up by 3 BIG distributors, one of them being Acclaim. See? Small indie companies can do it too.
DF was under development for 8-9 years, why can all these other companies do it under less time then they did? Rhetorical question.
You want facts saying its broken? Tasos assured everyone that there are no client crashes anymore, yet when people start posting on the DF forums about still experiencing crashes, the threads got closed and customer support continued ignoring more claims of client crashes: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. Of course the fanboys screamed at people and said GET A NEW COMPUTER. weeks later AV admits to more client crashes on their behalf and address some of them in the may 1 patch: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php. So first they deny the claims, next they admit to it quietly.
More customer support complaints and anger over the massive hacking/exploiting on a site that doesn't even deal in gaming: www.dslreports.com/forum/r22180009-Darkfall-Drama-is-their-customer-support-that-bad. In this thread has a VERY detailed lsit of ALL THe broken features, in case u missed it because you are a fanboy and refuse to admit to facts i will paste them in this SAME thread
More darkfall wall hacks: www.metacafe.com/watch/2682141/darkfall_hacks_the_darkfall_hacks_wallhack/ If I can find a trajectory mod hack video I'll make sure to post it, because they are in-game
More hacks that are still common, wait for the next wave of hackers to get banned and the store will open again: www.youtube.com/watch. Yeah that's a flying ship. The link discussing this popular hack: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Old war exploit: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php Now the reason I linked this eventhough they finally fixed it is that this was being screamed about during the brief closed beta. The devs did nothing about it. This is a common exploit that no game under development for 8-9 years shouldve been suspectible too.
And another link from the Goons blogging about common exploits still going on such as declaring war on your own alliance to avoid others from declaring war on you, and the good old "jiggling ethernet cord" so as to avoid being ganked. Another simple common MMO exploit that should've been dealt with a long time ago.
Link from a respectable non-biased review blog: www.keenandgraev.com in case u disagree with Eurogamer's review.
Simple facts. Shall I go on?
Wait, you still want more facts? Let's reprint the list of Promises made by AV and what really happened when the paid beta launched. This excerpt was from their original website, since then they reworded alot of their site after being threatened for false advertisement (rumor from the forums themselves, don't know how true that is)
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall unless the players themselves create them or seek them out. There is no area where a player cannot be attacked by another player." "A player in a city full of his clanmates and further guarded by NPC guards is as safe as he can be, but he is still vulnerable to a sudden enemy raid." "No. Darkfall is seamless and will not have zones and zone loading, as seen in other MMORPGs. There will be a short loading pause when entering dungeons and structures." "Our random spawns are dynamic. Clear out a spawn and it will not reappear in the same place. If you spend enough time killing a species, its presence in that area will thin out and eventually the species will migrate to a different area. " "With a no gore setting you will have no gore whatsoever, whereas with full options you could watch a perfectly timed and powerful swing of a sword take someone?s head clean off their shoulders." "Expect realistic weather effects, such as rain, snow, wind blowing in the trees, wind blowing in the grass on the ground, thunder and lightning." "A dynamic in-game map is available."
"Changing your alignment towards good is a challenging and difficult process. " "If you want to learn to use the sword for example, you pick up the swordsmanship skill by learning it from an NPC or from another player" "That being said - There is an option available to follow a class system: the Prestige classes described below." "There are many ways you may customize your character to give him a unique look." "Does each race have unique properties? Yes they do. We?ll speak more about these at a later date. " "Your character is capable of swimming, if he learns how to swim." "We have trade skills such as farming, setting snares and hunting animals" "Therefore eating is in the game, and players that enjoy farming, setting traps, baking, cooking, fishing, hunting, etc. can sell their wares" "Players will be able to set up houses of various sizes and design, ranging from small cottages to huge castles and citadels." "Can I design my own house? Yes you can." "If you are wearing heavy armor, you will run and swim slightly slower than if you are wearing no armor at all."
"We currently have about 300 skills and 200 spells designed on paper, but we are hoping to get at least 500 skills and 500 spells in there before retail." "Some skills and spells can be learned from other players." "In addition there are some special spells that do not fit directly into any school of magic, such as racial specialty spells, and Prestige class specialty spells." "There are some special skills and spells that can only be learned by specific Prestige class characters." "Yes, however, your casting time will increase significantly if you are wearing heavy armor." "There is also a slightly increased chance of making a mistake while casting a spell if you are wearing heavy armor."
"Is it possible to repair items? It is possible, with the proper skills and tools, up to a point. Eventually an item will be destroyed after being repaired several times." "You will be able to make almost every item found in the world like weapons, tools, armor, clothing, food, containers, furniture, jewelry etc."
"Remember that human NPC hirelings, such as guards and vendors, will not tolerate Orks and Alfar players, and may attack them on sight, even though they are in the same Clan." "There will most certainly be Clans in Darkfall with players from all races. We predict that this will be small evil Clans, which will set up their Clan headquarters in remote locations, and not get involved in city conquest or empire building, since it will be almost impossible for these Clans to recruit NPC hirelings to help defend their cities and to run their shops." "You will find all the information you need on the political map, including who controls the different city states/kingdoms/fiefs, their laws and who they kill on sight."
"We have developed a pretty sophisticated trading system that brings buyers and sellers together easily, and it will work in, but also out of the game." "You can have pets and NPC hirelings in Darkfall, ranging from tamed animals and monsters, to summoned skeletons, charmed animals and monsters, hired NPC merchants, hired NPC guards, etc. " "NPC hirelings can follow you around and fight with you, they can carry your loot, they can perform skills and spells to aid you, etc. NPC hirelings can do pretty much everything that player friends can do." "They can be a vendor in your shop that you have set up, they can mine for minerals in a mine, they can go out into the forest and chop wood for you, or stand on the banks of a river fishing for you all day."
"you may have to rely on magical items, potions or scrolls" "However, if you’re intelligent, persistent and skillful you could be very successful playing the lone wolf character." "Yes you can fight wherever you want. There are no safe zones." "It is possible to push players and monsters out of the way"
"What camera view is used in Darkfall? More on this soon" "How do I tell my NPC hirelings what to do"
"If you would like to volunteer, you will be offered the opportunity to apply." "Does Darkfall have in-game bulletin boards? Yes it does." "Is there a Darkfall Newsletter? There will be one as soon as the playtesting begins."
"We have designed a custom communications system for Darkfall which works whether your character is logged in the game or not." "profile that will look something like ?The Titanic Honorable Paladin Cornelius GoblinsBane // General of clan The Inner Circle - Grandmaster swordsman ? married to Mary of clan The Inner Circle.""
"You can use the developer interaction message board on the official site and you can speak with the developers live during our upcoming developer chats." "We will run polls regularly on the official Site. There will be even more methods to provide feedback in the future. " "We will start having House of Commons style developer chats very soon and on a regular basis. " "We will have regular news updates, screenshots, announcements, FAQ updates, downloads, and progress reports on the official Darkfall site. "
"every time an alfar casts a spell the results vary slightly"
"Only mahirim mastersmiths can make Ghost Claws, a weapon which is made using an extremely rare resource called moonstone." "When standing erect, mahirim move with the same speed as members of the other races. However, when not engaged in combat, they can switch to all fours and run with the speed of a horse."
"Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards." "Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones" "Darkfalls Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging."
"Each race has a unique set of abilities" "Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past" "Watch trees and grass sway in the wind" "Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing. "
"You can forget about point - click - and wait" "there's much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them" "a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in" "Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience."
"In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players." "Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable." "you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the" "Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not"
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back. "
"Test your mettle in Darkfall's Arena Events"
"We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game" "a game that makes good on its promises" "with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players."
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You can have an opinion without even playing the game, just researching its mechanics and guessing if they will or not make you have fun. Now, making a professional review, that's a lot different and makes you actually experience suposedly all of the game features before mouthing in the press about it. That EG review for example, failed to grasp the concept of a review as it has not shown what is good or what is bad with true mechanics in the game. It was a mere first impression of someone who tried to play the game for a few seconds and failed miserabily, could not even understand the concept of managing the quick action bar in which you place equipment or skills for quick use, you know, those things you use when you press 1-10 or f1-f10. Do I sound dumb? Well, the reviewer did not know that. |
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Originally posted by Izure
Like I said thats your outlook. If you go into the game and just stand there you expect it to be fun? sorry never seen a game like that. And the game game did add the tools for fun. It just didnt hold your hand showing you. It has the fun, in everything I do I consider fun. From running from one place to another while avoiding death FUN. To killing NPCS while watching for the occasional RED or opposite race squads. While finding a red and getting into a 1vs1 fight.
This game does provide fun, but if you dont like this genre, you will whine and not like it. Its that simple. If you dont like full loot mmorpg pvp ffa with a big map and fps combat that has gameplay over graphics then you will not like it, but if this does interest you, then you should atleast try it. Its pretty simple. Its a niche game. More argueing on your opinions mrbloodworth is fairly worthless. If you dislike it so much why do you keep posting here. I love the genre, the game still sucks. The game still sucks. |
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Originally posted by Fariic
Are you Buster Douglas? Beat down! Old school MMORPG Player. WTB What the Darkfall Website and the fanboi's won't tell you about Darkfall: |
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Originally posted by Nevulus
Wait, you still want more facts? Let's reprint the list of Promises made by AV and what really happened when the paid beta launched. This excerpt was from their original website, since then they reworded alot of their site after being threatened for false advertisement (rumor from the forums themselves, don't know how true that is)
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall unless the players themselves create them or seek them out. There is no area where a player cannot be attacked by another player." "A player in a city full of his clanmates and further guarded by NPC guards is as safe as he can be, but he is still vulnerable to a sudden enemy raid." "No. Darkfall is seamless and will not have zones and zone loading, as seen in other MMORPGs. There will be a short loading pause when entering dungeons and structures." "Our random spawns are dynamic. Clear out a spawn and it will not reappear in the same place. If you spend enough time killing a species, its presence in that area will thin out and eventually the species will migrate to a different area. " "With a no gore setting you will have no gore whatsoever, whereas with full options you could watch a perfectly timed and powerful swing of a sword take someone?s head clean off their shoulders." "Expect realistic weather effects, such as rain, snow, wind blowing in the trees, wind blowing in the grass on the ground, thunder and lightning." "A dynamic in-game map is available."
"Changing your alignment towards good is a challenging and difficult process. " "If you want to learn to use the sword for example, you pick up the swordsmanship skill by learning it from an NPC or from another player" "That being said - There is an option available to follow a class system: the Prestige classes described below." "There are many ways you may customize your character to give him a unique look." "Does each race have unique properties? Yes they do. We?ll speak more about these at a later date. " "Your character is capable of swimming, if he learns how to swim." "We have trade skills such as farming, setting snares and hunting animals" "Therefore eating is in the game, and players that enjoy farming, setting traps, baking, cooking, fishing, hunting, etc. can sell their wares" "Players will be able to set up houses of various sizes and design, ranging from small cottages to huge castles and citadels." "Can I design my own house? Yes you can." "If you are wearing heavy armor, you will run and swim slightly slower than if you are wearing no armor at all."
"We currently have about 300 skills and 200 spells designed on paper, but we are hoping to get at least 500 skills and 500 spells in there before retail." "Some skills and spells can be learned from other players." "In addition there are some special spells that do not fit directly into any school of magic, such as racial specialty spells, and Prestige class specialty spells." "There are some special skills and spells that can only be learned by specific Prestige class characters." "Yes, however, your casting time will increase significantly if you are wearing heavy armor." "There is also a slightly increased chance of making a mistake while casting a spell if you are wearing heavy armor."
"Is it possible to repair items? It is possible, with the proper skills and tools, up to a point. Eventually an item will be destroyed after being repaired several times." "You will be able to make almost every item found in the world like weapons, tools, armor, clothing, food, containers, furniture, jewelry etc."
"Remember that human NPC hirelings, such as guards and vendors, will not tolerate Orks and Alfar players, and may attack them on sight, even though they are in the same Clan." "There will most certainly be Clans in Darkfall with players from all races. We predict that this will be small evil Clans, which will set up their Clan headquarters in remote locations, and not get involved in city conquest or empire building, since it will be almost impossible for these Clans to recruit NPC hirelings to help defend their cities and to run their shops." "You will find all the information you need on the political map, including who controls the different city states/kingdoms/fiefs, their laws and who they kill on sight."
"We have developed a pretty sophisticated trading system that brings buyers and sellers together easily, and it will work in, but also out of the game." "You can have pets and NPC hirelings in Darkfall, ranging from tamed animals and monsters, to summoned skeletons, charmed animals and monsters, hired NPC merchants, hired NPC guards, etc. " "NPC hirelings can follow you around and fight with you, they can carry your loot, they can perform skills and spells to aid you, etc. NPC hirelings can do pretty much everything that player friends can do." "They can be a vendor in your shop that you have set up, they can mine for minerals in a mine, they can go out into the forest and chop wood for you, or stand on the banks of a river fishing for you all day."
"you may have to rely on magical items, potions or scrolls" "However, if you’re intelligent, persistent and skillful you could be very successful playing the lone wolf character." "Yes you can fight wherever you want. There are no safe zones." "It is possible to push players and monsters out of the way"
"What camera view is used in Darkfall? More on this soon" "How do I tell my NPC hirelings what to do"
"If you would like to volunteer, you will be offered the opportunity to apply." "Does Darkfall have in-game bulletin boards? Yes it does." "Is there a Darkfall Newsletter? There will be one as soon as the playtesting begins."
"We have designed a custom communications system for Darkfall which works whether your character is logged in the game or not." "profile that will look something like ?The Titanic Honorable Paladin Cornelius GoblinsBane // General of clan The Inner Circle - Grandmaster swordsman ? married to Mary of clan The Inner Circle.""
"You can use the developer interaction message board on the official site and you can speak with the developers live during our upcoming developer chats." "We will run polls regularly on the official Site. There will be even more methods to provide feedback in the future. " "We will start having House of Commons style developer chats very soon and on a regular basis. " "We will have regular news updates, screenshots, announcements, FAQ updates, downloads, and progress reports on the official Darkfall site. "
"every time an alfar casts a spell the results vary slightly"
"Only mahirim mastersmiths can make Ghost Claws, a weapon which is made using an extremely rare resource called moonstone." "When standing erect, mahirim move with the same speed as members of the other races. However, when not engaged in combat, they can switch to all fours and run with the speed of a horse."
"Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards." "Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones" "Darkfalls Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging."
"Each race has a unique set of abilities" "Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past" "Watch trees and grass sway in the wind" "Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing. "
"You can forget about point - click - and wait" "there's much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them" "a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in" "Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience."
"In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players." "Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable." "you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the" "Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not"
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back. "
"Test your mettle in Darkfall's Arena Events"
"We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game" "a game that makes good on its promises" "with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players."
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
Ignorance, and lack of any real argument.
Lol mrbloodworth you have such comments that lead people to believe you only post to argue, not actually give any real depth or definition of a game.
And for the one above you I was stating an example, if you couldn't see that, you probably cant handle a game that does not give you a tutorial. Example could of been as any game, I used wow as an example, and do not think what words you put in my example. Just because you like one game does not mean you will like the other game and vice versa. If you couldn't get that you are a troll like mrbloodworth that has no actual facts about his arguements just what he reads, but no in game proof.
I have played and enjoyed many PvP games, including spending potentially to much time in various sandbox games (I'm talking years here). This still does not mean a game that is made with those features, is incapable of being crap, purely on an implementation and basic design standpoint. Being a sandbox, or a PvP games, also, does not exclude it from my statement. That's simply poor game design, and rationalization for poor game design. Hardcore != Poor game design. Sandbox != Lack of features, or poor game design. Poor game design == Poor game design. Thanks.
Its certainly true that being a sandbox does not mean it will be perfect. However, the sandbox genre is the closest thing to what a "true" MMO would be. That is, an online game that focuses entirely on player interaction on as many levels as possible. This is what sandboxes try to do, unlike themepark games, which are more or less single player games with a multiplayer ruleset. In recent years, with all the new players entering the market, the MMO genre has been dumbed down to profit off the greeness of the masses. DF was just an attempt to get back to what MMOs were about before all the hordes and masses rolled in. These days, it seems most games are all about player vs AI interaction and not simply player interaction. If I want great player vs AI interaction, I play single player games, like Fallout 3, oblivion, etc, all of which have far better PvE than any MMO on the market. Raph Koster, from UO, sums this change, from player interaction to AI interaction, in the market up best: "Being safe from evil is, in my mind, an uneven tradeoff for the fact that you don't get to be heroes anymore, in that you can just opt out of fighting evil. It may be nobody wants to be heroes except when it doesn't count, when it isn't challenging, that people would rather fight "pretend evil" than the real thing, but I don't personally believe that. I still think people are better than that." This is the sad fact, and the reason why so many people worshipped DF when they heard about. Despite its massive grind, somewhat static gameplay, and lack of indepth character builds, its still relativily the best(new) on the market. If Eurogamer thought DF deserved a 2/10, then I can't even imagine what other recent themepark MMOs should have gotten. Deep into the negatives at least. This has been a lecture by me, Professor Sh0. Remember to study hard for the exam friday. |
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Originally posted by Krayzjoel
Wait, you still want more facts? Let's reprint the list of Promises made by AV and what really happened when the paid beta launched. This excerpt was from their original website, since then they reworded alot of their site after being threatened for false advertisement (rumor from the forums themselves, don't know how true that is)
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall unless the players themselves create them or seek them out. There is no area where a player cannot be attacked by another player." "A player in a city full of his clanmates and further guarded by NPC guards is as safe as he can be, but he is still vulnerable to a sudden enemy raid." "No. Darkfall is seamless and will not have zones and zone loading, as seen in other MMORPGs. There will be a short loading pause when entering dungeons and structures." "Our random spawns are dynamic. Clear out a spawn and it will not reappear in the same place. If you spend enough time killing a species, its presence in that area will thin out and eventually the species will migrate to a different area. " "With a no gore setting you will have no gore whatsoever, whereas with full options you could watch a perfectly timed and powerful swing of a sword take someone?s head clean off their shoulders." "Expect realistic weather effects, such as rain, snow, wind blowing in the trees, wind blowing in the grass on the ground, thunder and lightning." "A dynamic in-game map is available."
"Changing your alignment towards good is a challenging and difficult process. " "If you want to learn to use the sword for example, you pick up the swordsmanship skill by learning it from an NPC or from another player" "That being said - There is an option available to follow a class system: the Prestige classes described below." "There are many ways you may customize your character to give him a unique look." "Does each race have unique properties? Yes they do. We?ll speak more about these at a later date. " "Your character is capable of swimming, if he learns how to swim." "We have trade skills such as farming, setting snares and hunting animals" "Therefore eating is in the game, and players that enjoy farming, setting traps, baking, cooking, fishing, hunting, etc. can sell their wares" "Players will be able to set up houses of various sizes and design, ranging from small cottages to huge castles and citadels." "Can I design my own house? Yes you can." "If you are wearing heavy armor, you will run and swim slightly slower than if you are wearing no armor at all."
"We currently have about 300 skills and 200 spells designed on paper, but we are hoping to get at least 500 skills and 500 spells in there before retail." "Some skills and spells can be learned from other players." "In addition there are some special spells that do not fit directly into any school of magic, such as racial specialty spells, and Prestige class specialty spells." "There are some special skills and spells that can only be learned by specific Prestige class characters." "Yes, however, your casting time will increase significantly if you are wearing heavy armor." "There is also a slightly increased chance of making a mistake while casting a spell if you are wearing heavy armor."
"Is it possible to repair items? It is possible, with the proper skills and tools, up to a point. Eventually an item will be destroyed after being repaired several times." "You will be able to make almost every item found in the world like weapons, tools, armor, clothing, food, containers, furniture, jewelry etc."
"Remember that human NPC hirelings, such as guards and vendors, will not tolerate Orks and Alfar players, and may attack them on sight, even though they are in the same Clan." "There will most certainly be Clans in Darkfall with players from all races. We predict that this will be small evil Clans, which will set up their Clan headquarters in remote locations, and not get involved in city conquest or empire building, since it will be almost impossible for these Clans to recruit NPC hirelings to help defend their cities and to run their shops." "You will find all the information you need on the political map, including who controls the different city states/kingdoms/fiefs, their laws and who they kill on sight."
"We have developed a pretty sophisticated trading system that brings buyers and sellers together easily, and it will work in, but also out of the game." "You can have pets and NPC hirelings in Darkfall, ranging from tamed animals and monsters, to summoned skeletons, charmed animals and monsters, hired NPC merchants, hired NPC guards, etc. " "NPC hirelings can follow you around and fight with you, they can carry your loot, they can perform skills and spells to aid you, etc. NPC hirelings can do pretty much everything that player friends can do." "They can be a vendor in your shop that you have set up, they can mine for minerals in a mine, they can go out into the forest and chop wood for you, or stand on the banks of a river fishing for you all day."
"you may have to rely on magical items, potions or scrolls" "However, if you’re intelligent, persistent and skillful you could be very successful playing the lone wolf character." "Yes you can fight wherever you want. There are no safe zones." "It is possible to push players and monsters out of the way"
"What camera view is used in Darkfall? More on this soon" "How do I tell my NPC hirelings what to do"
"If you would like to volunteer, you will be offered the opportunity to apply." "Does Darkfall have in-game bulletin boards? Yes it does." "Is there a Darkfall Newsletter? There will be one as soon as the playtesting begins."
"We have designed a custom communications system for Darkfall which works whether your character is logged in the game or not." "profile that will look something like ?The Titanic Honorable Paladin Cornelius GoblinsBane // General of clan The Inner Circle - Grandmaster swordsman ? married to Mary of clan The Inner Circle.""
"You can use the developer interaction message board on the official site and you can speak with the developers live during our upcoming developer chats." "We will run polls regularly on the official Site. There will be even more methods to provide feedback in the future. " "We will start having House of Commons style developer chats very soon and on a regular basis. " "We will have regular news updates, screenshots, announcements, FAQ updates, downloads, and progress reports on the official Darkfall site. "
"every time an alfar casts a spell the results vary slightly"
"Only mahirim mastersmiths can make Ghost Claws, a weapon which is made using an extremely rare resource called moonstone." "When standing erect, mahirim move with the same speed as members of the other races. However, when not engaged in combat, they can switch to all fours and run with the speed of a horse."
"Trade your hard earned items using Darkfall?s secure trade interface and in-game trade boards." "Darkfall places no restrictions on player interaction, so there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PvP zones" "Darkfalls Communication interface includes in-game message and trade boards, an IRC-style chat system, instant messaging, voice support, and even mobile phone SMS messaging."
"Each race has a unique set of abilities" "Repetitive monster encounters are a thing of the past" "Watch trees and grass sway in the wind" "Sail your ship through rough seas, then become hampered by fog as the waters calm. Struggle as your battlefield-bound army marches into a severe storm. In Darkfall, the weather is more than just window dressing. "
"You can forget about point - click - and wait" "there's much more to character development than, say, raising your riding or mining skill by mindlessly killing rats all day. Instead, you'll need to practice your skills if you want to get better at them" "a hundred Prestige classes to further specialize in" "Multiple safeguards protect you from cheats and exploits that would otherwise interfere with your gaming experience."
"In Darkfall, all items in the world can be made by the players." "Darkfall?s crafting system is intuitive, non-repetitive, challenging, useful, fun - and profitable." "you could invent and be the first to use a weapon as awesome as the" "Bring your goods to market using Darkfall?s sophisticated and secure trading system, bringing buyers and sellers together easily whether they?re inside the game or not"
"There are no safe zones in Darkfall. The only protection you can count on is your friends watching your back. "
"Test your mettle in Darkfall's Arena Events"
"We are committed to delivering and maintaining a complete, stable, and balanced game" "a game that makes good on its promises" "with regular and free expansion-size updates, prompt and swift customer service, and superior value for our players."
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