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Tasos lies about his own game. I'm supposed to find him more credible then the reviewer? Mob AI that live in the world, and skill up along with the players? A feature complete and ready to releae game that adds art assets, magor balance fixes, and quests two months after release? Tasos is as big a liar as the he claims the reviewer is. |
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Varking
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Joined: 9/16/07
Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody the power, the other to crave it. |
Originally posted by Benthon
<9000 wouldn't be something I would consider people "willing" to play. I am one of the people that comes to this site and puts Darkfall down but they have about 9k playing basically, give or take, right? But there is still a chunk of people waiting to even play the game. This is the lowest score they have ever given any game supposedly, but can you honestly say out of every game they have ever reviewed, this was really the worst?
I don't like Darkfall, but to me it was a whole hell of a lot more fun than: Pirate of the Burning Sea which got a 6/10 Vanguard: Saga of Heroes which got an astounding 7/10 But honestly, they give games like WAR, WoW, LotRO rating of 8+/10 as well so there you go. Should any MMORPG ever to this day be rated as a 9, which is just one point shy of perfection? Are any of the current MMORPG actually that close to being perfect?!!
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Originally posted by Darkfalrocks
They only have 0 credibility ( with DF fanbois) only because they didnt give Darkfall a favorable review. He did play the game even if it was for a short time. Is there some kind of time limit to the amount of play b4 you can be considered credible? Even if he gave a 5 out of 10 or a 7 out of 10 review he would have still been flamed by the fanbois. So the rabid fanbois attack a website and the reviewer only because they didnt like the review. Chalk it up to the DF community to be a horrible as they can possibly be. Whats next? Making death threats to next bad reviewer you dont like? You guys really need to get a grip. Just ignore the review and enjoy the game if like it. |
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Originally posted by Varking
This might've contributed to the low score. The availbility, terrible launch and other non-game factors are probably included as well. Old school MMORPG Player. WTB What the Darkfall Website and the fanboi's won't tell you about Darkfall: |
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Wow, the lack of professionalism on both sides is just sad to say the least. Yeah the review was harsh, but Tasos making his opinion public wasn't good either. This has got to be the most laughable back and forth argument I have had the pleasure to ever read. Was his review warrented to be posted. That is up to the sole discretion of his company. Is it a good review, let the community decide. Did Tasos need to rant about it in the public, being he is pretty much the spokeperson for Darkfall, no. He just did what he wrote about, make his game look worse. Not because of the harsh review. But because of his lack of professionalism. People know I have issues with the way this site is run. Clearly the post by Stradden today sum's up what this site has done to itself. But what these two have gone and done is beyond what Stradden or myself could do in a few years of bickering. Darkfall is just a game, and therefore people will enjoy it regardless of some others opinions. Is it the best game ever? That is a decision left up to the player himself. Tasos and EuroGamers should be ashamed of themselves. This is not some eye for an eye society we live in anymore. Give it up. |
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Originally posted by Varking
All those games you list here are way more polished and complete than DFO. Yes, even Fury, even if it's a very special game I don't enjoy either. Vanguard beats the crap out of DFO anyday, and the review where it got 7/10 has been made long time after release, when they fixed all the problems. Possibly DFO could get a 7/10 too somedays, just like VG, once they fixed all the bugs, problems, exploits... even though I strongly doubt about the ability of aventurine to fix anything in this game. Still waiting for the real UO successor... |
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OK, I just have to say this the review is crap, but I also have to say Tasos is full of crap. Logs can be faked, it is so completely easy to fake a log and let's all be honest Tasos is someone who would defintely be willing to do that just to give him something with which to defend his game against this peice of crap review. All this whole debacle has proven to me is Eurogamer is crap and Tasos is crap... Darkfall I still don't know yet as I haven't played it and until I get a free trial I wont. (As Tasos promised I would get) Did the reviewer play more than what they claim? Maybe but the simple fact that a hostile attack ad was met with a hostile player log just proves that these two deserve each other and really if they banded together they probably could become the new dark empire and rule as sith lords of the darkside. *shivers* What a terrible thought.
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Originally posted by clwoods You're not getting the comparison. Let's review: 1. Goldstein watches film, writes shitty reivew of it. 2. Rob Schneider nerdrages about his own film, calls out Goldstein publicly, saying he doesn't have the required prestige to give a proper review for X and Y reasons, including the fact that Goldstein had not won a Pulitzer Prize. 3. Ebert, who HAS won a Pulitzer, watches the film and not only agrees that it sucks, but tells Schnieder that in his capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner. Now, with Darkfall, so far we have: 1. Eurogamer critic plays the game, writes bad review of it. 2. Tasos nerdrages about his own game, calls out both the critic and the magazine saying they didn't play it long enough to properly judge it. The only thing missing now is some other journalist playing and reviewing the game. What's Tasos going to do if someone from another magazine plays the game for a longer period of time than the Eurogamer guy, then also scores the game as low as Eurogamer did? Attack them too? It was stupid of him to get so bent out of shape over a bad review. He's just setting himself up for someone else to come along and write a review like the one Ebert wrote to Rob Schneider. |
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First time ever I rad a dev making comments like this on an review. Seems a bit childish to me even though the review isn't that good. Still he should just take it like a man, both Mythic and Funcom didn't try to defend themselves like this. I have nothing against DF but I don't like Tasos. He just have to learn to live with some bad reviews as all other artists, game devs and all other creative people in the world. |
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Trand
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Joined: 7/15/04
"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them." Albert Einstein |
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
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Originally posted by Trand
Quoted for awesomeness Old school MMORPG Player. WTB What the Darkfall Website and the fanboi's won't tell you about Darkfall: |
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TdogSkal
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Joined: 5/11/06
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Originally posted by Rasputin
Usually I don't do this but I will do it in this instance: l2p L2P? I know how to play, I played for a few months in beta but I do not like to setup marco's and use macro's. That's not playing to me but that is the only way to make any progress in Darkfall because it is the best way to level and the other "hardcore" players are doing it, so to keep up, you will need to do it. Were is the player skill? Macro gathering and then Macro potion making and boom, you win every fight or can run from any fight. Were is the player choice? I have to skill up tons of spells I do not want just to get one I want. how is that player choice. I mean after all this is a sandbox game right? So why does the player have to follow the same path as everyone else to get to the magic schools? Instead of making a one line post that makes no sense, why not debate with me. Show me what I have wrong and I will be happy to admit I am wrong.
BS. If you knew how to play you wouldn't have had the problems you describe. What Problem did I describe that could be fixed by learning 2 play? hmmm? So your telling me that nobody Marco's? I know many many players that macro, even in Beta tons of people macroed. That the players have a choice to skip the useless spells and get the ones they want (player choice) That potions are not a huge part of PvP in Darkfall. Those the main problems I have with Darkfall and "learn 2 play" does not fix them at all. Sorry Sooner or Later |
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CoffeeGrunt
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Joined: 5/02/09
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Totaly unprofessional response imo
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Originally posted by Benthon
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I wanna know why the hell the guys got a semi nude pic of tasos! |
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Completely unproffesional response, the guy just made himself look more like a whiney fanboi bitch than the CEO of company. Oh yeah who ever put up that if we wanted a good honest review we should look up the articled intitled "self confessed carebear" on these forum because it was done by Jon Wood are wrong. www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/3007 The article was made by the Darkfall Correspondent Kelly Price. It was not a review , it was just another generic glowing report on how awesome another generic mmo is and how even more awesome it will be in the future.
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Originally posted by jinxit
She's also the second correspondent for the game. I didn't know that MMORPG.com appoints more then one to a game. |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
Originally posted by Lidane You're not getting the comparison. Let's review: 1. Goldstein watches film, writes shitty reivew of it. 2. Rob Schneider nerdrages about his own film, calls out Goldstein publicly, saying he doesn't have the required prestige to give a proper review for X and Y reasons, including the fact that Goldstein had not won a Pulitzer Prize. 3. Ebert, who HAS won a Pulitzer, watches the film and not only agrees that it sucks, but tells Schnieder that in his capacity as a Pulitzer Prize winner. Now, with Darkfall, so far we have: 1. Eurogamer critic plays the game, writes bad review of it. 2. Tasos nerdrages about his own game, calls out both the critic and the magazine saying they didn't play it long enough to properly judge it. The only thing missing now is some other journalist playing and reviewing the game. What's Tasos going to do if someone from another magazine plays the game for a longer period of time than the Eurogamer guy, then also scores the game as low as Eurogamer did? Attack them too? It was stupid of him to get so bent out of shape over a bad review. He's just setting himself up for someone else to come along and write a review like the one Ebert wrote to Rob Schneider.
I understand your comparison. I never missed it, you just aren't following the point of my post. I don't care if Darkfall sucks. I also don't care if Tasos nerdrages about it and if another reviewer comes along and writes a bad review that's fine. As long as the reviewer actually plays the game.
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Originally posted by Spiritof55
And don't forget all the fanboys on this forum would've been catching a suntan from the bright beams of sunshine. Tasos should be ashamed of himself. What a pathetic representation of the company. I wil admit I was wrong, I used to say it was the community that will be the downfall of this game, now I'm starting to think it will be Tasos (I know I'm late to the party)
The game pretty much sucks. I had fun in it, I've been playing MMOs long enough to accept medicore crap and accept that most game developers lie and hype up their own games, Darkfall just took it too far. It deserved maybe a 3/10 max.
It can get better, look how well AoC is doing now, with more improvements still to come.
Shame on all you fanboys getting your panties all up in a bunch just cause everyone is realizing how bad the game is. Get a life, or better yet go enjoy the game you like so much and stop worrying about what other people think. Admit defeat. Shame on all you trolls for taking advantage by kicking DF while its down just for laughs when you haven't played it yourself. |
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Originally posted by clwoods
I understand your comparison. I never missed it, you just aren't following the point of my post. I don't care if Darkfall sucks. I also don't care if Tasos nerdrages about it and if another reviewer comes along and writes a bad review that's fine. As long as the reviewer actually plays the game. The point I think you're missing is this: the review is plagued with factual errors. He says things about the game that aren't true. I'm not talking about things that are subjective and left up to opinion, I'm refering to things that are flat out wrong. Things the reviewer would have known were wrong if he had played the game. The reviewer obviously barely played the game. Here's how it's different. 1. Goldstein watched the movie and gave his unbiased opinion on it. That's fine, that's his job. 2. Schnieder got pissy and insulted the critic. It's tacky, but he's free to defend his movie. No one expects him to be bias however, and he never operates under the guise of being unbiased. 3. Ebert watches the movie. Feels the same as the previous critic. Writes his review. At the end of the review he calls out Schnieder because what Schnieder did, as I said before, was tacky and unprofessional. Also because Schnieder printed a full page add in a major news publication that contained false information. Rember the false information part because that's paramount. Now all of this is fine because everyone here with the exception of Rob Schnieder acted acordingly. 2 critics gave a movie a bad review. With this eurogamer review it happened differently. 1. Eurogamer assigns someone to play and review the game. Reviewer plays the game for a time then writes his review. 2. The review is factually incorrect. It contains false information(remember that from before?). 3. Tasos responds. His response is just as tacky as Schnieders. I'm not disputing this but you can't say the article being wrong is ok because of Tasos' response when the response came after the reiew. He was right to be upset and is just as able as Schnieder to respond. It's just as tacky too. So what I'm getting at here is the false information. The reviewer didn't do his job. I don't care about the game logs or the back and forth between eurogamer and Tasos. I care about an op-ed article being disguised as a review. If you're going to write a review put in enough time so you don't look ridiculous for not knowing basic game mechanics. Again, I don't care about Darkfall and I don't play it. The only reason anyone here is defending this article is out of a dislike for Darkfall. If this happened to SWTOR almost everyone here would be up in arms. Just because I don't like the game doesn't mean I'm going to let a biased review for it go unchecked. It deserves a fair shot, same as any game.
So how the hell would you know if there was false information if YOU DON'T PLAY IT. BTW, I played for going on 2 months now and I agree with the review. Care to point out what he said that isn't true. Maybe you know more then I do? |
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I don't know what Tasos is hot about, other than the low score. I just read the review linked from the DF thread, and it seems like it was par for the course based on all of the complaints I've heard made by many gamers... Maybe the other sites that have reviewed it were just overly generous on their scores? Just my thoughts..... |
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Originally posted by clwoods Somehow, those two things don't compute for me. If you don't play Darkfall, and you don't care about the game, why go so far out of your way to attack a bad review? Also, if you don't play it and have no vested interest in the outcome, how do you know that the reviewer barely played the game? Because of what Tasos said? He doesn't exactly have the best history in that department. I don't play the game. Have no interest in it, either, since FFA PvP with full loot isn't my scene. However, there's no excuse for a developer nerdraging about a bad review of his own game like this. Schneider looked like a whiny bitch who couldn't take criticism when he took out full page ads decrying the bad review Goldstein gave, and Tasos looks just as bad here by attacking the review instead of saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion and he doesn't think the review was fair, but whatever. Tasos reacted poorly to a bad review. He should have known better. |
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If Tasos is right about his playtime, it is a shame on Eurogamer as a whole. Think about how these guys write reviews on a console game like Zelda or Metroid. Those games are usually around 20 hours to beat, and often times reviews will play through to the end of a Nintendo game or such before writing the review. Compare that to an MMO, which has a tremendous amount of depth to them as a genre. To clock in less hours on an MMO than you would a console game, then pass yourself off as a legit reviewer is a disgrace. I couldn't review any MMO in 9 hours on 2 small pages like this guy did, let alone a sandbox MMO which has even more intricacies than a normal MMO. I have written a ton of articles about Darkfall as a game, and there are still aspects of it I haven't touched on yet. This reminds me a few reviews on Gamespot I read where one guy criticized an RPG on the Wii because it did not have Mii support! MMORPG.com Spotlight Blog Writer (225,000+ Views)
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Originally posted by Paragus1
You're basing the rest of your argument off this VERY unlikely assumption. Old school MMORPG Player. WTB What the Darkfall Website and the fanboi's won't tell you about Darkfall: |
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And not a single person has listed the inaccuracies and yet I've seen several people make the statement that the review is full of them. Why is that? |
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clwoods
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Joined: 10/20/08
People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient, then repent. |
Originally posted by Fariic
I understand your comparison. I never missed it, you just aren't following the point of my post. I don't care if Darkfall sucks. I also don't care if Tasos nerdrages about it and if another reviewer comes along and writes a bad review that's fine. As long as the reviewer actually plays the game. The point I think you're missing is this: the review is plagued with factual errors. He says things about the game that aren't true. I'm not talking about things that are subjective and left up to opinion, I'm refering to things that are flat out wrong. Things the reviewer would have known were wrong if he had played the game. The reviewer obviously barely played the game. Here's how it's different. 1. Goldstein watched the movie and gave his unbiased opinion on it. That's fine, that's his job. 2. Schnieder got pissy and insulted the critic. It's tacky, but he's free to defend his movie. No one expects him to be bias however, and he never operates under the guise of being unbiased. 3. Ebert watches the movie. Feels the same as the previous critic. Writes his review. At the end of the review he calls out Schnieder because what Schnieder did, as I said before, was tacky and unprofessional. Also because Schnieder printed a full page add in a major news publication that contained false information. Rember the false information part because that's paramount. Now all of this is fine because everyone here with the exception of Rob Schnieder acted acordingly. 2 critics gave a movie a bad review. With this eurogamer review it happened differently. 1. Eurogamer assigns someone to play and review the game. Reviewer plays the game for a time then writes his review. 2. The review is factually incorrect. It contains false information(remember that from before?). 3. Tasos responds. His response is just as tacky as Schnieders. I'm not disputing this but you can't say the article being wrong is ok because of Tasos' response when the response came after the reiew. He was right to be upset and is just as able as Schnieder to respond. It's just as tacky too. So what I'm getting at here is the false information. The reviewer didn't do his job. I don't care about the game logs or the back and forth between eurogamer and Tasos. I care about an op-ed article being disguised as a review. If you're going to write a review put in enough time so you don't look ridiculous for not knowing basic game mechanics. Again, I don't care about Darkfall and I don't play it. The only reason anyone here is defending this article is out of a dislike for Darkfall. If this happened to SWTOR almost everyone here would be up in arms. Just because I don't like the game doesn't mean I'm going to let a biased review for it go unchecked. It deserves a fair shot, same as any game.
So how the hell would you know if there was false information if YOU DON'T PLAY IT. BTW, I played for going on 2 months now and I agree with the review. Care to point out what he said that isn't true. Maybe you know more then I do? "As with many MMOs, you walk around using the WASD keys. However, to 'do' anything - talk to an NPC, bind yourself to a location, loot a corpse, and so on - you have to click the right mouse button to toggle between interaction or movement mode."
Wrong
"There are no inventory 'blocks,' and thus your inventory quickly becomes a horrid mess of vague icons left on top of each other."
Wrong
"Worse still, the entire economy is player-driven - meaning that anybody wanting to get involved in crafting has literally hours of harvesting wood, or rock, or any of the other generic resources." Same with all MMO's. And I'll get to something about now.
This is from the same person who reviewed Darkfall.
"91%. The aggregate score of Killzone 2, including 10/10 scores from 1UP, Giant Bomb (Because Jeff Gertsmann is the only one who gives honest reviews, guys!), and a slew of slightly lower yet just as positive outlets. Edge, while being Edge, and thus being a bit pompous, stand up and say that it isn’t the best thing. Then again, they also lost the right to judge first person shooters when they gave Halo 3 10/10, and then claimed it was the most influential game of all time or somesuch nonsense. Who cares. Let’s be frank here. Of the 10 odd reviews I’ve read of this game, I can’t say I’ve read one that sits down and points at the most glaring of all problems with Killzone 2 - the slow-as-molasses-soaked-in-dogshit controls, the boring weapons, the boring locales, and the rest of the things in the game that I can probably say are boring. Somehow they took a war - a really good-looking and interesting war - and made it probably the least interesting experience in gaming history. I feel more tension and drama playing Dig Dug - but that’s because Dig Dug is amazing - than playing the so-called saviour of the PS3. And yet Gertsmann and 1UP are happy to laud perfect scores on it because…well, I can’t really see why. I suppose the multiplayer’s okay? Maybe? Probably? Why are games allowed to get away with being shit single-player experiences and having ‘good’ multiplayer ones? MMOs are proof enough as to why I don’t want to have to rely on other people to make my purchases worth the money. Again, I blame developers with tunnel-vision who can’t quite see that their game is loose and dull, like a 85-year-old monochrome prostitute. I also blame the jackasses who let bad controls - the very core of a game, immersion, and so on - slide, because ‘the game is so pretty.’ Anybody saying this game redefines anything other than how fast I can stuff a supposed Triple-A title into a Gamefly envelope is a bugger. Did I mention that the cover mechanic - the thing that Gears of War got right literally years ago - is also completely shat up? No? Good. I should probably round this up by saying that 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand has better controls and is more fun than Killzone 2. And the story is better. In other news, I bought a Wii today, so we’re a few weeks off of a gigantic post about why Mad World is terrible. Unless it’s good, in which case somebody has thoroughly foxed my goose".
Seems to me like he already doesn't like mmo's. Why have him review one? Also he is going in to his review of Mad World already prepared to write a bad review. The guy is a hack.
I'm going out to dinner now, the wife is hungry.
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