PROS

- Sandbox mmo, you do what you want when you want.

- Hundreds of players fighting against each other (which is why the graphics aren't over the top).

- A big open world with no instances and full looting. You can kill a player anywhere outside of the starter towns. 

- Fast twitch based combat system.

- No auto aiming, you actually have to aim your attacks with FPS style precision.

- Loot anyone's corpse whether it be a mob or player.  Just because someone kills a mob doesn't mean the loot is theirs (evil laugh).

- You can truly be good or evil.

- You don't have to do a single quest.

- Killing mobs is always fun and never boring because everytime you go out there is the risk/thrill of losing everything on your back.

- Banking matters.

- Player killers are back in business.

- Crafting is extremely important, player made weapons are better than mob drops the way it should be.

- You can message anyone you want.

- If you are skilled you can take on multiple players at once.

- PVP takes practice.  If you're good at pvp you can kill someone stronger than you since you practiced more.

- The best mmo to play with your clan.

- Sieging cities/hamlets is extremely fun and challenging.
 

CONS

- Not for casual gamers at all.

- Game is very difficult and very challenging, too advanced for the average joe (i'm not being condescending, the game is pretty tough pvp wise.)

- The game requires a lot of morale.

- People coming from games like wow, swg, eq with no real mmo experience will have no idea what to do in the game and simply die over and over again. If you haven't played UO, Darktide or even shadowbane then you better be prepared for a very harsh existence. 

 .................. and there you have it.
 

Luzarius

I usually just lurk here on the DF forums (for the entertainment value ) as I could care one way or the other about the game. But wow man, your so called "Cons" of the game are just really a thinly veiled elitist, epeen stroking garbage.

- Not for casual gamers at all.  (Okay, fair enough)

- Game is very difficult and very challenging, too advanced for the average joe (i'm not being condescending, the game is pretty tough pvp wise.)  (Just another way of saying that those that play DF are somehow better then your "average" player? Or that due to crappy design the game is harder then it needs to be? Can go either way...)

- The game requires a lot of morale. (No idea what you mean here.)

- People coming from carebear games like wow, swg, eq with no real mmo experience will have no idea what to do in the game and simply die over and over again. If you haven't played UO, Darktide or even shadowbane then you better be prepared for a very harsh existence. (First you start by calling other games "carebear" games (a fav tactict around the DF forums) and why does playing these games constitues as not having "real" mmo experience?)

Sorry for the rant but, next time, list some actual "Cons" of the game instead of stating why those that play DF are superior to you "average joe".

Back to lurking......

Who cares since you cant buy the game anyway. 

I agree, this review is complete garbage. It's not even really a review, just someone trying to stroke their own ego. It is wrapped in friendly words but underneath the wrapping paper you can clearly see this reviewer is saying the same thing as hardcore fanboys: "This game is for hardcore elitest PvP players that played Shadowbane and UO".

My favorite part is how you claim playing WoW and EQ means you don't have any real gaming experience. I wish threads like these would be removed, it's nothing but e-peen stroking themselves.

And one final thought, as an example... when you say things like "No offense but your face looks like a horses ass", people normally still get offended. Just a thought to ponder.

Kakaski, if you had any real MMO experience you'd realize carebear is a term used by alot of gamers from different MMOs, please go somewhere else..

I liked it, short and to the point : )

Even Tasos told us many times he knew DF players would be more skilled then the usual PvE player. They had that in mind when they made DF.  I have no opinion about that statement.

Originally posted by daarco

I liked it, short and to the point : )

Even Tasos told us many times he knew DF players would be more skilled then the usual PvE player. They had that in mind when they made DF.  I have no opinion about that statement.

LOL

Tasos said it, so it *must* be true. Right?

If there hasn't been a specific example of DF fans holding Tasos' words as gospel before... There it is. daarco has provided the first actual example. Seems I wasn't being as facetious as I thought when I've commented on it in the past.

And the lord Tasos hath spoken, "Thou who playeth my MMO shall be superior to those who play a lesser game, for this is what Tasos hath decreed..."

... and all the fans bow down in worship...

"Praise Lord Tasos!! Hail Lord Tasos!!"

Give me a break. What a bunch of self-edifying, epeen stroking crap. 

As was said before, the OP was was basically an exercise in gratuitous self indulgence very poorly packaged up as a "review". When you can't point out "cons" for a game without resorting to typical fanboy mantras like "people coming from carebear games", then you fail as a reviewer and your bias is pretty obvious.

Originally posted by daarco

I liked it, short and to the point : )

Even Tasos told us many times he knew DF players would be more skilled then the usual PvE player. They had that in mind when they made DF.  I have no opinion about that statement.

More skilled at what? FPS combat? Sure, probably so. Doesn't mean they are actually smarter at combat, or better at combat, nor could they complete even the easiest of raids in WOW, let alone EQ style raids.

Agree with others, OP is not a review, but a fanboi post with the usual blah about why DF is so great, and lacking in any real concrete minuses, (like the graphic quality, lag, lack of PVE content, and any of half a dozen other complaints we all know about) like the game is perfect or something.

A review done with rose colored glasses on isn't a review, its an advertisement only.

Sounds just like WoW to me, except for the parts that suck.

Originally posted by Celestis1000

PROS

- Sandbox mmo, you do what you want when you want.

I can do what I want, when I want in WoW too.

- A big open world with no instances and full looting. You can kill a player anywhere outside of the starter towns.

Why is "no instances" a good thing?  Do you really like competing with 10,000 other campers to kill some boss?

- Fast twitch based combat system.

That's only a pro if you like fast twitch based combat systems.

- No auto aiming, you actually have to aim your attacks with FPS style precision.

See above.

- Loot anyone's corpse whether it be a mob or player.  Just because someone kills a mob doesn't mean the loot is theirs (evil laugh).

No comment

- You can truly be good or evil.

- You don't have to do a single quest.

You don't "have to" do a single quest in WoW either.

- Killing mobs is always fun and never boring because everytime you go out there is the risk/thrill of losing everything on your back.

That is assuming you enjoy the risk of losing everything on your back.  It's still just a game. Many people would view the process of constantly replacing everything on their backs as pointless drudgery

- Banking matters.

So what?  Why do I want to play a game that's a banking simulation?

- Player killers are back in business.

There are plenty of PKs in WoW.  So what?

- Crafting is extremely important, player made weapons are better than mob drops the way it should be.

Why is that the "way it should be"?  Are we supposed to assume that mobs are always traipsing around with garbage weapons and armor?  What happened to the quest for the magic sword?  Oh, and I forget to mention, there is a lot of good crafted gear in WoW.  Go figure.

- You can message anyone you want.

I can message anyone I want in WoW too.  I just don't happen to want to message Alliance players.

- If you are skilled you can take on multiple players at once.

If you are high enough level, geared well enough, and/or skilled enough, you can take on multiple players in WoW.

- PVP takes practice.  If you're good at pvp you can kill someone stronger than you since you practiced more.

This is true in WoW too.  Skill makes a difference in PVP.  It's just a different kind of skill.

- The best mmo to play with your clan.

Why?

- Sieging cities/hamlets is extremely fun and challenging.

Sieging Wintergrasp is extremely fun and challenging too.  How is DFO any different?
 

CONS

- Crappy animations

- No real goals

- Not for casual gamers at all.

- Game is very difficult and very challenging, too advanced for the average joe (i'm not being condescending, the game is pretty tough pvp wise.)

- The game requires a lot of morale.

- People coming from carebear games like wow, swg, eq with no real mmo experience will have no idea what to do in the game and simply die over and over again. If you haven't played UO, Darktide or even shadowbane then you better be prepared for a very harsh existence. 

 .................. and there you have it.
 

Luzarius

Mike, I'm tired of it! The OP says himself "You can message anyone you want." in the game! Can't you understand how hardcore that is? Go play a game with a disabled chat feature, n00b. And seriously, in a game where "Banking matters", how can you expect anything but haters to troll around these forums and try to ruin the games existence. Just go away, Mike, I have banking to do, and guess what... it matters.

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

I dont get it, he is basically doing what EvE players have been doing and saying for years.. About how "hardcore" their game is and how it only frustrates people who aren't "hardcore" enough for so called "real" pvp where you can lose your items and stuff..

Stroking ones E-peen is something that happens so often on MMORPG.com forums that, seriously, does it deserve such negative responses? Every so called "PvP" game has this kind of thing happen.

I don't see Darkfall as being a sandbox, I think it is much more of a game like WW2 Online. A combat simulation. I have been trying to buy it and see for myself, but from everything I have been reading and videos I have been watching , all I see is conflict. Sure you can mine and craft (for economic purposes obviously but it doesn't seem like it was the focal point in the game, nor does the actual CONTROL of the gameworld by its players as in something like Wurm Online where land can be altered.)

Seeing as this is how I view the game, I don't see any of the players being anymore "hardcore" than the guys I headshot in Call Of Duty World At War..

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

 

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

If by that you mean WoW is an enjoyment for the whole family and DFO is for bottom feeders of society, then I agree.

Side note: The guy wasn't trying to say WoW is like DFO at all, merely pointing out the OPs flawed logic that most of the PROs DF fans give are in ALL MMOs, even your hated WoW.

Originally posted by pasi11

Kakaski, if you had any real MMO experience you'd realize carebear is a term used by alot of gamers from different MMOs, please go somewhere else..

Well "DUH" Mr. Obvious, I was stating that it is waaaayyyyy overused on these forums as some sort of derogatory statement by those wishing to stoke their ego. But hey, way to draw conclusions on a remark you completely misunderstood.

BTW, lame trolling attempt, you'll have to do better...

Originally posted by daarco

I liked it, short and to the point : )

Even Tasos told us many times he knew DF players would be more skilled then the usual PvE player. They had that in mind when they made DF.  I have no opinion about that statement.

More skilled in a video game, how laughable. It s a fn game, meant to be fun not the mindless grind that it actually is. I read the Eurogamer review now thats to the point and correct finally.

Terrible review. I reads as a typical DF community fanboi post. if someone were on the fence about trying this game this review would certainly turn people away especially calling people names. Shows the DF community continues to lack maturity and needs to grow up. 

Bad review...bad post.

Originally posted by kakasaki

I usually just lurk here on the DF forums (for the entertainment value ) as I could care one way or the other about the game. But wow man, your so called "Cons" of the game are just really a thinly veiled elitist, epeen stroking garbage.

- Not for casual gamers at all.  (Okay, fair enough)

- Game is very difficult and very challenging, too advanced for the average joe (i'm not being condescending, the game is pretty tough pvp wise.)  (Just another way of saying that those that play DF are somehow better then your "average" player? Or that due to crappy design the game is harder then it needs to be? Can go either way...)

- The game requires a lot of morale. (No idea what you mean here.)

- People coming from carebear games like wow, swg, eq with no real mmo experience will have no idea what to do in the game and simply die over and over again. If you haven't played UO, Darktide or even shadowbane then you better be prepared for a very harsh existence. (First you start by calling other games "carebear" games (a fav tactict around the DF forums) and why does playing these games constitues as not having "real" mmo experience?)

Sorry for the rant but, next time, list some actual "Cons" of the game instead of stating why those that play DF are superior to you "average joe".

 

Back to lurking......

 

 

Yeah well basically no auto aimer is the point to the average gamer part.

Like use your brain a little i know it hard for you Ricky the Ret*rdo

but WoW and all the clones they have auto aimers No matter how hard you try You will never out run a mages spell it will go threw tree's whatever length it must theres no avoiding it once ur under auto aim.

ok it your brain processing that simple system ok dont want to over work you so just hold on with me here Rick.

In darkfall you have to Aim??? omg yes Aim like in a FPS.

now you might be hurting in the head thinking hmm but isnt that hard and not easy.

and  it is Harder then  auto aim system which requires you to push 1 to 2 buttons while your targets highlighted in your range.

its not a gear or lvl grind its a grind to get Skill.

Now i know your mind thinks Skill like STR, DEX, Stam. No Skill as in playing and fighting skill actually being Good att he game not your weapon skill level or anything else that dosnt matter barely at all.

So there you go Ricky i tried to break it down for someone like you to understand.

i hope we didnt over work ya 

have fun in crayon drawling class Ricky.

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

Really? It depends on how close you get.

Both are computer game that are made to be played on the internet.

Both are placed in worlds that have stolen most ideas from tolkien.

Both require you to kill stuff with swords or magic...

They do have a lot in common even though they are as far from eachother as fantasy MMOs can be, or at least almost.

Still, try to explain all the differences to you grandmother and youll find out that all MMOs have a lot in common even if they have a lot of different features and offer a very different gameplay.

Skating rings and strip clubs have some things in common too, like they both bore me.

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

 

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

And Vanguard is gaming Bliss. Sry I'm just excited about my new (and last) obsession!

Originally posted by krieblood

Originally posted by kakasaki

I usually just lurk here on the DF forums (for the entertainment value ) as I could care one way or the other about the game. But wow man, your so called "Cons" of the game are just really a thinly veiled elitist, epeen stroking garbage.

- Not for casual gamers at all.  (Okay, fair enough)

- Game is very difficult and very challenging, too advanced for the average joe (i'm not being condescending, the game is pretty tough pvp wise.)  (Just another way of saying that those that play DF are somehow better then your "average" player? Or that due to crappy design the game is harder then it needs to be? Can go either way...)

- The game requires a lot of morale. (No idea what you mean here.)

- People coming from carebear games like wow, swg, eq with no real mmo experience will have no idea what to do in the game and simply die over and over again. If you haven't played UO, Darktide or even shadowbane then you better be prepared for a very harsh existence. (First you start by calling other games "carebear" games (a fav tactict around the DF forums) and why does playing these games constitues as not having "real" mmo experience?)

Sorry for the rant but, next time, list some actual "Cons" of the game instead of stating why those that play DF are superior to you "average joe".

 

Back to lurking......

 

 

 

Yeah well basically no auto aimer is the point to the average gamer part.

Like use your brain a little i know it hard for you Ricky the Ret*rdo

but WoW and all the clones they have auto aimers No matter how hard you try You will never out run a mages spell it will go threw tree's whatever length it must theres no avoiding it once ur under auto aim.

ok it your brain processing that simple system ok dont want to over work you so just hold on with me here Rick.

In darkfall you have to Aim??? omg yes Aim like in a FPS.

now you might be hurting in the head thinking hmm but isnt that hard and not easy.

and  it is Harder then  auto aim system which requires you to push 1 to 2 buttons while your targets highlighted in your range.

its not a gear or lvl grind its a grind to get Skill.

Now i know your mind thinks Skill like STR, DEX, Stam. No Skill as in playing and fighting skill actually being Good att he game not your weapon skill level or anything else that dosnt matter barely at all.

So there you go Ricky i tried to break it down for someone like you to understand.

i hope we didnt over work ya 

have fun in crayon drawling class Ricky.

 

 Wait......what??

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

 

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

Yeah an exclusive members only kind of strip club with saggy breasted ,70 year old strippers with diarrhoea problems.

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

 

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

Funny that people have FUN at a skating ring - they sometimes even hook up with a girl!

Over at the strip club is a bunch of single men who have elected to hang out with...men to look at women they can't touch getting themselves all worked up so they can do what exactly?  

I may still try DFO when they have a free trial but if its anything like a strip club I don't expect I will stay very long.

Originally posted by horrid

Originally posted by Izure

any kid who compares wow to Dfo is truly a 12 year old kid.

 

Wow is a skating ring, DFO is a strip club.

 

Funny that people have FUN at a skating ring - they sometimes even hook up with a girl!

Over at the strip club is a bunch of single men who have elected to hang out with...men to look at women they can't touch getting themselves all worked up so they can do what exactly?  

I may still try DFO when they have a free trial but if its anything like a strip club I don't expect I will stay very long.

 

Hmm, this should be tested, we need a Strip club and Skating ring MMO. Or even better combine the 2 and have Strippers on Skates!! YAY!

Originally posted by Celestis1000

PROS

- Sandbox mmo, you do what you want when you want.

You can as well stop reading right here at the first sentence.

Anyone pretending DFO is a sandbox game allowing you to do what you want, when you want is not worth reading further anyway.

Originally posted by krieblood

 

Yeah well basically no auto aimer is the point to the average gamer part. Opinion

Like use your brain a little i know it hard for you Ricky the Ret*rdo Insult with no point at all

but WoW and all the clones they have auto aimers No matter how hard you try You will never out run a mages spell it will go threw tree's whatever length it must theres no avoiding it once ur under auto aim. What is your point? With your logic, chess takes NO skill either. You know the queen is going to take that pawn and there's nothing you can do about it, therefore skill is not involved? Have you ever played a WoW PvP ladder match? The skilled players destroy the average player everytime, its not 50/50 chance to win.

ok it your brain processing that simple system ok dont want to over work you so just hold on with me here Rick. More insults, called "flaming", which should get you banned if you keep it up, so please continue.

In darkfall you have to Aim??? omg yes Aim like in a FPS. Aiming and picking a sequence of attacks are just two different types of gameplay. Different skills are involved but to say more or less skill is required is incorrect.

now you might be hurting in the head thinking hmm but isnt that hard and not easy. More insulting 98% of MMO gamers

and  it is Harder then  auto aim system which requires you to push 1 to 2 buttons while your targets highlighted in your range. You didn't explain how it's harder. I would crush you in WoW in PvP and I'm not any good, and you'd naturally say it takes no skill to do so. But your only logic is that auto aiming auto locks on. Basically you are insulting almost the entire RPG genre as taking no skill, and plenty of other genres as well. But I forgot, left clicking repeatedly and running in circles takes mad skills... right....

its not a gear or lvl grind its a grind to get Skill. It most certainly is a level grind. You have to grind more than any other game on the market to get your skills up, and the only noticed changes in skill are 25, 50, 75, 100.

Now i know your mind thinks Skill like STR, DEX, Stam. No Skill as in playing and fighting skill actually being Good att he game not your weapon skill level or anything else that dosnt matter barely at all. Your weapon skill certainly matters, as does having ALL of the skills. I want to see a PvP video where YOU kill a guy that has max stats in weapons, archery, and magery and you have 50% weapons and see you take them down.

So there you go Ricky i tried to break it down for someone like you to understand. More flaming.... no point

i hope we didnt over work ya 

have fun in crayon drawling class Ricky.

As if I had to explain how wrong you are... but I got time today at work ;)