Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Guillermo197 Cheers

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Guillermo197

You don't play the violin and yet you act like you are a Violin virtuoso.

I don't think that everyone that attends a concert has to be a musician nor does everyone that enjoys playing games needs to be a game designer.

Rest my case.

your case is weak my friend , it needs all the rest it can get

Cheers

 

 

You can try and twist it all you want. I have much more of a case then you.

The fact is, that I have ACTUALLY PLAYED these two games long enough and still playing one of them, to make a clear judgement.

While you base your case on some mombo jombo from the internet. Wich is in total contradiction of what I (have) experience(d) INGAME MYSELF!

hard numbers are mombo jombo? I guess they are if they don't tell the story you want to hear. Face the facts dude, the game had a crap release and while it has improved over the last year people have moved on and the new shiny wore off. All the trands indicate that interest in the game is still decreasing daily. Even with the improvements in server stability and conten it is still the same core game play thta it was at release and that is why a lot of us quit. I will look at it again once 1.05 goes live and I am sure a lot of others will also. I might even sub if the game can grab my interest which it has not been able to do as of my last try at it in Jan/Feb.

 

 

What hard numbers? There haven't been any hard numbers. Everything is speculative. Even WoW's claimed 10 million subs are debatable and surely questionable.

I play on a EU RP-PVE server right now, wich is known to be far from highly populated and yet I have seen and still see an increased activity in the lower level zones and a steady activity in the higher level zones.

I still see the same familiar faces each night I log into the game.

I don't give a damn about what the internet says. It's my INGAME experience that counts.

I remember all too well how people kept praising WAR's high subscription numbers back in October after the first month was up and the months that followed on the INTERNET... while INGAME I saw people cursing, angry, frustrated and quiting left and right ...and so the population diminishing. While the internet kept telling the COMPLETE OPOSITE lol.

You keep believing the internet my friend. Care if I do not!

Cheers

> 1. You didn't play WAR and yet you claim to say WAR is doing much better then AoC.

> Don't have to play the violin to judge whether a player is good or bad either.

That analogy must be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this forum. Seriously. The correct analogy in this circumstance would be that you compared two violin players of which you only had heard one, while you backed up your arguments on the other by hearsay and rumours. Not very enlightened is it?

Originally posted by howardb

> 1. You didn't play WAR and yet you claim to say WAR is doing much better then AoC.

> Don't have to play the violin to judge whether a player is good or bad either.

 

That analogy must be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this forum. Seriously. The correct analogy in this circumstance would be that you compared two violin players of which you only had heard one, while you backed up your arguments on the other by hearsay and rumours. Not very enlightened is it?

Ever seen a troll or a hater come up with something actually intelligent around here?

Cheers

Originally posted by Jackdog

I sure as heck don't hate the game or the company. I find it very interesting to observe. AoC's major problem is WoW, WAR and LoTRO and it cannot hope to compete. WoW and LoTROs have theajor share of the PvE and WAR seems to have nailed the PvP fans.

AoCs problem is that it have way to little things to do right now. LOTRO had the same problem at launch but Turbine added content faster than FC have.

Still, once the expansion comes out AoC will be a very nice game and will compete with LOTRO. It is already competing with WAR that shares AoC content problems.

Wow is another matter. Pop music sells more than heavy metal because it is easier to access or something. Wow is aiming for regular joes and doing that good. AoC aims on older persons with a better computer.

But anyways OP: It is stupid to complain on a game you never played. There is a lot of people here doing that and that aint making things better either. AoC and any other game for that matter have its ups and downs but few if any game have just bad things in them.

he was playing wow before that desaster so its clear that he likes this game too :O

 Originally posted by Guillermo197 

What hard numbers? There haven't been any hard numbers. Everything is speculative. Even WoW's claimed 10 million subs are debatable and surely questionable.

Hard numbers in the web site traffic data. which shows a clear decline in interest in the game.

All MMO's have churn that is old player leave, new players start. When people start losing interest in a game it is only a matter of time before the natural bleed off leaves nothing but a few hard core fans with few fresh faces. That is sort of where AoC is as of now. What is going to be interesting is whemn they change the core fgame with 1.05. Will it be a debacle of SOE's NGE patch? Or wil it pis off a few and pull in enough new blood to not only make up for the loss of the old timers but also create a wave of new blood.

I play on a EU RP-PVE server right now, wich is known to be far from highly populated and yet I have seen and still see an increased activity in the lower level zones and a steady activity in the higher level zones.

I still see the same familiar faces each night I log into the game.

I don't give a damn about what the internet says. It's my INGAME experience that counts.

 

That is pretty scientific, you might consider patenting it.

 

Originally posted by Jackdog

 Originally posted by Guillermo197 

What hard numbers? There haven't been any hard numbers. Everything is speculative. Even WoW's claimed 10 million subs are debatable and surely questionable.

Hard numbers in the web site traffic data. which shows a clear decline in interest in the game.

All MMO's have churn that is old player leave, new players start. When people start losing interest in a game it is only a matter of time before the natural bleed off leaves nothing but a few hard core fans with few fresh faces. That is sort of where AoC is as of now. What is going to be interesting is whemn they change the core fgame with 1.05. Will it be a debacle of SOE's NGE patch? Or wil it pis off a few and pull in enough new blood to not only make up for the loss of the old timers but also create a wave of new blood.

I play on a EU RP-PVE server right now, wich is known to be far from highly populated and yet I have seen and still see an increased activity in the lower level zones and a steady activity in the higher level zones.

I still see the same familiar faces each night I log into the game.

I don't give a damn about what the internet says. It's my INGAME experience that counts.

 

That is pretty scientific, you might consider patenting it.

 

How do you know?

1. You do not play the game. So you do not know the retention rate nor the amount of so called old players leaving and amount of new players coming in.

2. And so you don't know anything about patch 1.05 as you are not subbed and thus have no access to TL and it's forums.

All you do and keep doing is going after some hearsay, rumors and speculations and turn them into facts and pretend you are an expert on knowing how Age of Conan is doing. While you clearly don't.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Jackdog

 Originally posted by Guillermo197 

What hard numbers? There haven't been any hard numbers. Everything is speculative. Even WoW's claimed 10 million subs are debatable and surely questionable.

Hard numbers in the web site traffic data. which shows a clear decline in interest in the game.

All MMO's have churn that is old player leave, new players start. When people start losing interest in a game it is only a matter of time before the natural bleed off leaves nothing but a few hard core fans with few fresh faces. That is sort of where AoC is as of now. What is going to be interesting is whemn they change the core fgame with 1.05. Will it be a debacle of SOE's NGE patch? Or wil it pis off a few and pull in enough new blood to not only make up for the loss of the old timers but also create a wave of new blood.

I play on a EU RP-PVE server right now, wich is known to be far from highly populated and yet I have seen and still see an increased activity in the lower level zones and a steady activity in the higher level zones.

I still see the same familiar faces each night I log into the game.

I don't give a damn about what the internet says. It's my INGAME experience that counts.

 

That is pretty scientific, you might consider patenting it.

 

 

How do you know?

1. You do not play the game. So you do not know the retention rate nor the amount of so called old players leaving and amount of new players coming in.

 Ever hear the old saying "cannot see the forest for the trees. I am looking at the forest, you are looking at trees. I am being totaly objective, you are letting your desires and emotions cloud your judgement.

2. And so you don't know anything about patch 1.05 as you are not subbed and thus have no access to TL and it's forums.

I remember the last game to affect major changes in the core game design and what happened though. AoC has prided itself on not being gear dependent, now all that is changing. Only time will tell if they can strike a good balance and how the veteran players will react. Myself I like the idea since it I alwyas need goals to set and reach.

All you do and keep doing is going after some hearsay, rumors and speculations and turn them into facts and pretent you are an expert on knowing how Age of Conan is doing. While you clearly don't.

Everyone knows how AoC is doing...not well. Question at this point is which will come first. The stockholders decide enough is enough or the game starts making money.

One fact is clear and that is that you are just part of the troll and hate squad slandering speculations and rumors as facts with NOTHING but rumors, speculations and sometimes even pure lies to back it up with.

I don't lie and I sure as hell do not hate anything , let alone something as abstract and of such little impact or importance in my life as a MMO.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Jackdog

 Originally posted by Guillermo197 

What hard numbers? There haven't been any hard numbers. Everything is speculative. Even WoW's claimed 10 million subs are debatable and surely questionable.

Hard numbers in the web site traffic data. which shows a clear decline in interest in the game.

All MMO's have churn that is old player leave, new players start. When people start losing interest in a game it is only a matter of time before the natural bleed off leaves nothing but a few hard core fans with few fresh faces. That is sort of where AoC is as of now. What is going to be interesting is whemn they change the core fgame with 1.05. Will it be a debacle of SOE's NGE patch? Or wil it pis off a few and pull in enough new blood to not only make up for the loss of the old timers but also create a wave of new blood.

I play on a EU RP-PVE server right now, wich is known to be far from highly populated and yet I have seen and still see an increased activity in the lower level zones and a steady activity in the higher level zones.

I still see the same familiar faces each night I log into the game.

I don't give a damn about what the internet says. It's my INGAME experience that counts.

 

That is pretty scientific, you might consider patenting it.

 

 

How do you know?

1. You do not play the game. So you do not know the retention rate nor the amount of so called old players leaving and amount of new players coming in.

2. And so you don't know anything about patch 1.05 as you are not subbed and thus have no access to TL and it's forums.

All you do and keep doing is going after some hearsay, rumors and speculations and turn them into facts and pretent you are an expert on knowing how Age of Conan is doing. While you clearly don't.

One fact is clear and that is that you are just part of the troll and hate squad slandering speculations and rumors as facts with NOTHING but rumors, speculations and sometimes even pure lies to back it up with.

Cheers

1. Playing a game tells you nothing about subscription numbers or retention rates. The perception that you have about how many people are actually playing is highly influenced by your own experiences in the game. If anything, playing a game makes you less likely to accurately predict a games sub numbers.

2. You don't know anything about 1.05 either. It could be released with all of what FC says will be there, or maybe with 10% of what FC says will be there. Forums and their related drivel mean nothing. Until it is released, it is only speculation.

While no one but FC knows the actual subscription numbers, there are many, many indicators of how well the game is in fact doing based on trends of the 100's of MMO's released in the past. Upper management shake-ups, massive server merges, culling of support staff, an extremly low number of servers (20! LOL), extremely low profit margins/ stock prices, and now a "major" patch which is rumored to have major style changes in the game all point very clearly to a dying game. 

Those rose-colored glasses may make the game feel better to you than it is, but the facts explain otherwise.

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by Jackdog

yeah there are generaly three or four of those threads a week on any forum dealing with AoC, usualy by posters with less than 10 posts to their name. Almost read like advertising copy don't they? If I were suspicious I would think that they were done by a FC employee.

 

You are a cynice, a hater, or both.

This game has improved beyond recognition in a number of cases.  Patch 1.05 will help ittemisation and end game content.

To not have noticed what has, and what will be addressed, you have only convinced me that you have several impairments - blindness is one..

I'm legally blind and I love AoC. :P

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by Jackdog

yeah there are generaly three or four of those threads a week on any forum dealing with AoC, usualy by posters with less than 10 posts to their name. Almost read like advertising copy don't they? If I were suspicious I would think that they were done by a FC employee.

 

You are a cynice, a hater, or both.

Chalk me up as a cynic. Over the years I have noticed there is a direct proportion between the number ofohmygawd this game is soooo awesome posts made by posters with less than 100 posts and how badly a game is doing subscription wise.

 

I sure as heck don't hate the game or the company. I find it very interesting to observe. AoC's major problem is WoW, WAR and LoTRO and it cannot hope to compete. WoW and LoTROs have theajor share of the PvE and WAR seems to have nailed the PvP fans.

 

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LOLWUT?

That statement...uhdsfiuhasdflk;oje...no. Seriously...WAR lost more subs in one month than AoC. Atleast AoC was semi gradual. Don't get me wrong...I enjoyed my time in WAR, but it offers very little substance.

Give AoC some time to grow into itself. Rome wasn't built in a day :)

If im not mistaken, AOC had about 800K+ subs at launch and has now dropped to around 100K(Craig Morrsion let that number slip out in an interview a while back).
WAR had maybe 600K+ subs and is now sitting at around 300K(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warhammer-online-has-300k-subscribers).
That means that AOC lost around 85% of it's initial playerbase and WAR has only lost about 50%.

If you are currently playing AOC and enjoying your playtime there then that is great but lets be real here for a sec. With WAR maintaining the greater % of players as well as having a larger overall playerbase, I think it is safe to say that Jackdog is correct in assuming that the majority of players DO prefer WAR's PvP over AOC's PvP.

Originally posted by Vespers

If im not mistaken, AOC had about 800K+ subs at launch and has now dropped to around 100K(Craig Morrsion let that number slip out in an interview a while back).
WAR had maybe 600K+ subs and is now sitting at around 300K(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warhammer-online-has-300k-subscribers).
That means that AOC lost around 85% of it's initial playerbase and WAR has only lost about 50%.

If you are currently playing AOC and enjoying your playtime there then that is great but lets be real here for a sec. With WAR maintaining the greater % of players as well as having a larger overall playerbase, I think it is safe to say that Jackdog is correct in assuming that the majority of players DO prefer WAR's PvP over AOC's PvP.

That article is outdated and based on EA's Q3 2008 report.

WAR sold around 700k boxes in September 2008 and only 350k people subscribed to the game end of september/early october (EA Q3 2008 report). That is were the article's numbers are refering to.

WAR lost more players in the first month then AOC did.

And seeing the state of the European Servers when I gave up on WAR in the middle of January this year I can tell you they had lost a lot more players since early october 2008!

So WAR now having 300k subs my ass. As Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU) are basically the only 2 servers in WAR with a true HIGH population.

Next to that they maybe have a handful of Medium populated servers left, while the rest of the servers that are still running are deserted! Even after all the transfers back in November/December 2008.

Add to that that GOA is screwing up so bad here in EU since Open Beta and so chased away a good chunk of people because of their screw ups as well.... only adding to the disaster.

Cheers

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Originally posted by Guillermo197

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Originally posted by Vespers

If im not mistaken, AOC had about 800K+ subs at launch and has now dropped to around 100K(Craig Morrsion let that number slip out in an interview a while back).
WAR had maybe 600K+ subs and is now sitting at around 300K(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warhammer-online-has-300k-subscribers).
That means that AOC lost around 85% of it's initial playerbase and WAR has only lost about 50%.
If you are currently playing AOC and enjoying your playtime there then that is great but lets be real here for a sec. With WAR maintaining the greater % of players as well as having a larger overall playerbase, I think it is safe to say that Jackdog is correct in assuming that the majority of players DO prefer WAR's PvP over AOC's PvP.

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That article is outdated and based on EA's Q3 2008 report.
WAR sold around 700k boxes in September 2008 and only 350k people subscribed to the game end of september/early october (EA Q3 2008 report). That is were the article's numbers are refering to.
WAR lost more players in the first month then AOC did.
And seeing the state of the European Servers when I gave up on WAR in the middle of January this year I can tell you they had lost a lot more players since early october 2008!
So WAR now having 300k subs my ass. As Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU) are basically the only 2 servers in WAR with a true HIGH population.
Next to that they maybe have a handful of Medium populated servers left, while the rest of the servers that are still running are deserted! Even after all the transfers back in November/December 2008.
Add to that that GOA is screwing up so bad here in EU since Open Beta and so chased away a good chunk of people because of their screw ups as well.... only adding to the disaster.
Cheers

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You are entitled to your own conjecture.
It doesnt change the fact that AOC sold more units(around 200K more) than WAR yet AOC has LESS subs than WAR. Yes, currently 300K subs in WAR is about right despite what you hope is different.
LOTRO/WOW = better PVE
WAR/EVE = better PVP

Guess AOC might wanna step it up a bit more if they ever plan on getting out of the basement, eh?

Originally posted by Vespers

 

 

You are entitled to your own conjecture.
It doesnt change the fact that AOC sold more units(around 200K more) than WAR yet AOC has LESS subs than WAR. Yes, currently 300K subs in WAR is about right despite what you hope is different.
LOTRO/WOW = better PVE
WAR/EVE = better PVP

Guess AOC might wanna step it up a bit more if they ever plan on getting out of the basement, eh?

At this point I think all AoC can do is fight for the scraps along with the SoE games and 3rd party wannabes like CoS, Horizons or whatever it is called now etc.

At one time it really had a chance of being a major player except for all the what if's such as : What if the had concentrated on PvE or PvP instead of trying to do both, What if it had stayed in the oven longer, What if it had not been so overhyped that most of us were doomed to dissapoinment even before it released, What if they had concentrated on more content instead of glitz etc etc etc

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by chrisrobhay2

YAY, AoC MADE A COMEBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I hated AoC at launch but now it is my favorite MMO.  (And no I am not a Funcom employee, I'm only 12.)

 

12 and playing an M for Mature title? Naughty,naughty.

Why does your profile say you are 40?

I don't know.  I got bored so I started doing random stuff.

 LOL @ this thread

Originally posted by Vespers

 

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Originally posted by Guillermo197

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Originally posted by Vespers

 

If im not mistaken, AOC had about 800K+ subs at launch and has now dropped to around 100K(Craig Morrsion let that number slip out in an interview a while back).
WAR had maybe 600K+ subs and is now sitting at around 300K(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/warhammer-online-has-300k-subscribers).
That means that AOC lost around 85% of it's initial playerbase and WAR has only lost about 50%.
If you are currently playing AOC and enjoying your playtime there then that is great but lets be real here for a sec. With WAR maintaining the greater % of players as well as having a larger overall playerbase, I think it is safe to say that Jackdog is correct in assuming that the majority of players DO prefer WAR's PvP over AOC's PvP.

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That article is outdated and based on EA's Q3 2008 report.
WAR sold around 700k boxes in September 2008 and only 350k people subscribed to the game end of september/early october (EA Q3 2008 report). That is were the article's numbers are refering to.
WAR lost more players in the first month then AOC did.
And seeing the state of the European Servers when I gave up on WAR in the middle of January this year I can tell you they had lost a lot more players since early october 2008!
So WAR now having 300k subs my ass. As Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU) are basically the only 2 servers in WAR with a true HIGH population.
Next to that they maybe have a handful of Medium populated servers left, while the rest of the servers that are still running are deserted! Even after all the transfers back in November/December 2008.
Add to that that GOA is screwing up so bad here in EU since Open Beta and so chased away a good chunk of people because of their screw ups as well.... only adding to the disaster.
Cheers

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You are entitled to your own conjecture.
It doesnt change the fact that AOC sold more units(around 200K more) than WAR yet AOC has LESS subs than WAR. Yes, currently 300K subs in WAR is about right despite what you hope is different.
LOTRO/WOW = better PVE
WAR/EVE = better PVP

Guess AOC might wanna step it up a bit more if they ever plan on getting out of the basement, eh?

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

WARs web page traffic numbers and XFire numbers are steady or rising depending on which setsd of  stats you are referring to. That contradicts your assumption ( desire?) that they are losing subs.  AoC's numbers are down.

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Guillermo197

I guess you have some reading comprehension problems and have clear difficulties in interpretting time and dates.

WAR doesn't currently have 300k subs. Those numbers mentioned in that article (from early february... it's May now.) are based on EA's Q3 2008 report. You know 2008? We are now in 2009 ter your information.

WAR's current numbers aren't known yet as EA still has to release it's Q4 2008 report! Wich is to be expected around somewhere next week.

Cheers

WARs web page traffic numbers and XFire numbers are steady or rising depending on which setsd of  stats you are referring to. That contradicts your assumption ( desire?) that they are losing subs.  AoC's numbers are down.

Next week or so when EA's new financial report releases (Q4 2008 that is) we will see.

And I have no desires nor any hidden agenda's nor am I on some sort of hidden crusade to bring a game or company down to it's knees like you people are doing here on the forums.

Who is making assumptions here? Who is having some sick desires here?

At least not me. I am not the one here on the forums high jacking every positive topic and start trolling in it and in turn go in every negative topic praising the OP.

Cheers

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.  Bashing AoC is a sin?  LOL.  I can go to the NA official forums and find as much doom and gloom as here, and those people are paying customers.

EA released its' FY2009 Q4 numbers, and WAR still has about 300k subs.  http://www.gamespot.com/news/6209194.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1  When can we expect to see AoC sub numbers?

Originally posted by Darth_Osor

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is.  Bashing AoC is a sin?  LOL.  I can go to the NA official forums and find as much doom and gloom as here, and those people are paying customers.

 

EA released it's FY2009 Q4 numbers, and WAR still has about 300k subs.  http://www.gamespot.com/news/6209194.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1  When can we expect to see AoC sub numbers?

Wow.. EA released the figures ahead of their intended schedule.

Congratulations to WAR if they still have 300k subs.

Seems Mythic is doing a better job in NA then GOA here in EU, if they managed to hold on to their subs.

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

Originally posted by Varking

Originally posted by Aceundor

 Jackdog, are you reading the correct websites here??? I have som old xfire figures for both AoC and War  from Jan 4. These are hours played on a Sunday. In the mean time both AoC and WAR have had some campagnis to increase their figures so i beleive they are comparable. (you are comparing them in your posts so i guess you are fine with that)
 

        04-Jan .     03 May
AoC    4819       9527

WAR  19757     13577
 

 

He no longer needs to go by Xfire numbers. The last known figure for AoC subs was slipped out as around 100k, right? EA just released their latest financial report that states WAR currently still has around 300k subscribers. Obviously one game is still much more healthy than the other.

The 300k number in the financial report isn't just paid subscribers.

It's paid subscribers + registered trial accounts over the course of period + new box registrations that never got past the first month.

You won't hear me saying that WAR is doing worse then AoC atm. But they aren't doing that much better either.

But it's funny that you trolls kept showing off the XFire numbers all the time as pure Facts about the sorry state of AoC, till someone here posts recent XFire numbers that show that WAR and AoC aren't so far apart anymore... then all the sudden it's numbers doesn't matter anymore. Because they show a recoup for AoC and an everdeclining numbers for WAR.

Lol. Just lol.