Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by bryan1980

Originally posted by Laughing-man

What people don't remember is Blizzard before 2003 was kinda a small company too..

How can you fault the company for being small and saying thats why they failed.  Yes they have limited numbers of copies for sale, to maintain a minimal lag envrioment on their server.

Yes if they had more money they'd be able to have more servers and more server space and more everything.

Why are we attacking them for THAT failing?

The real things you can blame on them is the lies and the missleading statements, the deception is what gets me angry.

The snide attitude toward customers and the lack of customer service.

We can fault them where they've actually failed.

Um.. you are joking right?   In 2003, Blizzard had already released Warcraft 1, 2, 3 and their expansions, along with Diable 1 and 2, and Starcraft.

That is basically 6 games and 4 expansions that were all polished and fun, and all best sellers.

 

And Blizzard had...how many people and how much money ? No compare it to company which never before released any game and had probably 10 to 30 people ( now it is possible there is more then 40 ) and had to move to Greace to lower cost of living.

Learn to count and then speak.

Ummm....

Laughing-Man states that before 2003, Blizzard was a "kinda small company".

bryan1980 corrects him stating that by 2003 they had released 6 games, 4 expansions - all of which were best-sellers.

In other words, Blizzard had stopped being a "kinda small company" long before 2003, and had grown to a large and quite successful company by then.

Then you go off on bryan1980 arguing for how many people and money Blizzard had.... completely missing the context of his post.

Learn to read, and then speak.

 

  My bad, I ment to quote The Laughing Man only. I believe I have to look twice before I quote something.

Originally posted by grimfall

To be perfectly honest, you don't know what you're talking about.  Guys who create thess programs and sell them, you know are amoral.  Tasos is trying to run a above board business. 

"I am going to violate the EULA, and make a program, then encourage other people to violate the EULA (this is breaking your word, another form of lieing), and then charge them some money for the privilage to be scum like I am".  That's not the kind of person you want standing up for you in court.

They don't sell the programs.

I think the correct term is:
pwnt.

( Also, Tasos trying to run an above board business? HAHAHAHAHAHAH. )

Originally posted by Devour

Originally posted by daarco

Good job AV : )

And i dont get it. People here complain daily about hacks in DF. Now when AV have banned the first wave of cheaters....people still complain? I guess they will ban more and more cheaters over the next weeks. What else can they do? Do other MMOs have some kins of protection that make hacks impossible? I have no idea.

 

I wish you'd stop posting.

Every post you and javac make degrades my faith in humanity a little tiny bit.

ROFL! I think they are getting piecework rates as shills, IE, per post. So they gotta keep grinding those little piggy fingers to the nub...
 

Originally posted by WisebutCruel

This applies to any game, not just Darkfall: how do you know they're telling you the truth? I can say I banned 10,000k cheaters ( as long as my game's playrbase is sufficiently big to make that number unnoticeable ), and in reality not have done a thing, or at most banned the 10 or so most obvious abusers.

The difference being, with most other developers you can at least try to believe them. When's the last time Tasos told the truth about anything?

I believe they did tell the truth. Even though some people here, whom I wont bother naming, INSISTED there was no hacking, you could see that quite a few people were complaining about it on the OFFICIAL boards. Ironic huh? Fanbots here insist there are none(I think I am also beginning to see how botspeak works, no is yes etc.), 300 get banned from the 6-7k playing, and the DFO forums light up like a christmas tree, turns out quite a few known players were swept up in this, and a few guilds started a all out counterattack against AV over this saying and I quote "This is nothing more then a Witch trial".

Then they demanded proof etc etc. Clearly these bans hit hard, and from all the screaming and squealing...were effective. BTW I was on the forum as all this was blowing up and and kept reading "FU AV" type threads over this mass banning. Was pretty funny watching them practically riot over there. As a footnote the mods deleted these threads very quickly.

Originally posted by Blindchance

Originally posted by Tasos

We banned 213 cheaters today. These are the people using 3rd party programs to cheat with. They were not banned for macroing, they were banned for cheating. They were automatically detected and also verified manually in a variety of ways. This number represents 90% of the cheaters in Darkfall right now. The rest have also been detected, and we’re waiting for them to be verified before we ban them as well.

These people were warned repeatedly. They chose to believe that we cannot detect what’s going on in our game. They took the word of the makers of these hacks over the word of the creators and administrators of the game. There are no exceptions. We don’t care if journalists, clan leaders, or our friends are among them. They were cheating in order to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of us. They deserve to be banned.

What comes into play here is something called “selfish punishment” in social science. Cheaters are likely to be some of the most outspoken people against cheating, and more likely to report cheaters. This is as so to maximize the benefit for themselves - taking it away from others. This is also the case here; we recognize some of the people from the boards habitually accusing the company for not doing anything and complaining that cheating is rampant in Darkfall, when in reality it’s not.

If you cheat in the game, you will lie about it too. Whenever we ban a cheater he or she will appeal to the community, denying it on the forums. Then come the excuses to Darkfall support about their little brother, their roommate, or about their account being hacked. So now we expect a couple of hundred people to take to the boards. Threads along these lines will be removed and posters will be banned. Darkfall Support has been instructed to not provide more than the automated ban message. Do not side with these people just because you may have played with them and didn’t happen to observe them cheating. They were cheating beyond a shadow of a doubt, detected and verified in more than one ways. There is no appeals process, our decision is final, and we will not reveal our methods.

We will keep aggressively detecting and banning players that cheat in the game. If you’re not running 3rd party cheats, you have nothing to worry about. Those that don’t take our word for it, will be banned like those banned today.

Thank you,
The Darkfall Team

 So  we can assume they actually have some mechanisms implemented to detect / track hacks. Good job. 

Link: forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php

Two points from a random forumfaller [note: the game of forumfall is almost dead, for better or worse]:

1) In all the years he has worked at Aventurine this is the first non-lame thing I have ever seen Tasos post/do.

2) It's funny how he talks about cheating, lying, and the psychology of that with such authority.  Takes one to know one?  LOL.  So true what he says, though; cheaters always protest their innocence after getting caught, and there are always plenty of morons anxious to believe their lies.

When an account is banned it is verified beyond a shadow of a doubt that exploitation is taking place. We do not rely on player or GM reports or on hear say. You were detected, and also verified cheating. You are responsible for canceling your subscription. To cancel your subscription you need to go to the account management page: 

https://www.darkfallonline.com/accounts/f/default.php 

Remove your credit information by clicking on the link right on top of your billing information. Then go to the products page where you should cancel all active subscriptions if there are any. We cannot discuss this matter with you beyond this notice. Darkfall supportwill only respond to your requests with automated messages. There is no appeals process.

Thank you,Darkfall Support

What I find interesing about this is that a cheater could potentially still pay for Darkfall even though the account has been banned.  This tells me Aventurine's account management system is still a little borked.  It would be funny if a cheater ended up paying for months worth of Darkfall because he didn't read the email thoroughly and assumed his subscription wouuld be terminated along with his account, but the lack of synchronization between subscriber and game accounts could clearly have adverse affects on legitimate players/subscribers.

~Ripper

 

This is just another indication of complete unprofessionalism.

You go on banning one user, yet you dont cancel his CD subscription.

Them amateurs should not only cancel the subscription, but also do a refund for cancelled service for that particular month... but they are amateurs.

If I was the guy receiving the ban, I would have waitied to be charged one sub, then go to my Bank and raise a formal complaint about cheating and exploiting from AV's side. Then I would demand a full refund on the basis that when the charge was made, I was for example out of reach, or in a foreign country, or not able to login in game toplay, one can claim anything... Because AV are amateurs, just sending an email is not a confirmation that the receiver has also read it! Any suits here?

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Originally posted by ddev

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When an account is banned it is verified beyond a shadow of a doubt that exploitation is taking place. We do not rely on player or GM reports or on hear say. You were detected, and also verified cheating. You are responsible for canceling your subscription. To cancel your subscription you need to go to the account management page: 

https://www.darkfallonline.com/accounts/f/default.php 

Remove your credit information by clicking on the link right on top of your billing information. Then go to the products page where you should cancel all active subscriptions if there are any. We cannot discuss this matter with you beyond this notice. Darkfall supportwill only respond to your requests with automated messages. There is no appeals process.
Thank you,Darkfall Support
What I find interesing about this is that a cheater could potentially still pay for Darkfall even though the account has been banned.  This tells me Aventurine's account management system is still a little borked.  It would be funny if a cheater ended up paying for months worth of Darkfall because he didn't read the email thoroughly and assumed his subscription wouuld be terminated along with his account, but the lack of synchronization between subscriber and game accounts could clearly have adverse affects on legitimate players/subscribers.
~Ripper
 

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This is just another indication of complete unprofessionalism.
You go on banning one user, yet you dont cancel his CD subscription.
Them amateurs should not only cancel the subscription, but also do a refund for cancelled service for that particular month... but they are amateurs.
If I was the guy receiving the ban, I would have waitied to be charged one sub, then go to my Bank and raise a formal complaint about cheating and exploiting from AV's side. Then I would demand a full refund on the basis that when the charge was made, I was for example out of reach, or in a foreign country, or not able to login in game toplay, one can claim anything... Because AV are amateurs, just sending an email is not a confirmation that the receiver has also read it! Any suits here?

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Yes, we know this... Aventurine is a bunch of amatures selling subscription out of their garage. That is why nearly 300k of their fan base evaporated once the NDA was released and the truth about Aventurine's incompetency and the state of Darkfall got out. Everyone knew it was just another insignificant software developer with another David Bowman at the helm (Tasos Flambouras).

Tasos is reaping all his rewards now, for lying to a community for so many years.. not even white little lies, but blatent and deceiving ones.

There are hardly any cheaters, but his most strongest post since release is how Aventurine won't tolerate cheaters.... yet people have been asking for help in eliminating them. Now Tasos is the Tough Guy on the block and taking a stern stance and now 90% of all cheaters are gone?

LOL... this guys is the laughing stock of the internet!

Originally posted by oddjobs74

This is good news. Now the remaining 6 players can play without having to deal with vile cheaters

6? I would have thought maybe 3...

I knew this one was coming from before Beta.  There was a least one guild that I had dealings with, whom were known exploiters and hackers from Lineage 2, that said they were going to go to Darkfall.  There was another group of known hackers and dupers from Shadowbane that were going there as well.  I wish they would just make it common practice to submit these people who are caught and banned to a list.  They move from game to game, destroying the communities with their can't win so cheat attitudes.

Originally posted by oddjobs74

This is good news. Now the remaining 6 players can play without having to deal with vile cheaters

lol thats funny.  Im playing and i guarantee that there are never any more than 1000 players in-game at any one time throughout the day.

Originally posted by Cik_Asalin

Originally posted by oddjobs74

This is good news. Now the remaining 6 players can play without having to deal with vile cheaters

 

lol thats funny.  Im playing and i guarantee that there are never any more than 1000 players in-game at any one time throughout the day.

You want to say you are speedhacking to check every clan city, mob spawn, resources nodes and starting cities ? Can I have your game names please ? I want to repor...made a friends with you.