Originally posted by kattay

Hello all,

I was thinking to write a thread about these 2 games. I played Shaiya for over a year and i had a lot of fun and in same time a lot of problems i will put in by doing this comparaison.

F2P (Shaiya)

Pros:

1. you can play for "free" if you don't want to be as good as the others who pay for item mall objects.

Cons:

1.  F2P is actually one of the biggest tricks in gaming.  While it says you don't have to spend real money, actually you can't keep going. Finally you spend a lot much more than for a P2P. In my case, i've payed between 50 and 250$ monthly. You could say it's crazy, but it was the only way to do something in pvp. EX: dying you could lose until 5% exp.; at high lvl you play a full day to earn that exp. So, you don't want to lose it, then you have to buy a item who prevent exp, but for about 8$. Gaining exp is a crime, so you have to buy another item to give you higher exp wich is 17$ by month. Also, you can lose items, so to prevent them to drop you need to buy another item for 8$/mo. Finally you realise you HAVE to spend real money, because the gold you earn by playing is not enough to help you buying from the other players.

2. Gold spammers who increase the inflation. IN Shaiya some of GMs were really unqualified and they banned innocent players accusing them for using 3rd party services.

3. GMs remove for drop the good gear and they offer you to buy with real money. IN Shaiya slotted helmets wasn't anymore droppable, so you should pay until 150$ to have one.

4. F2P use the most infected trickeries to make you spend the money you worked hard for in real life. Ex.: big news, the game offer for 150$ a 4 slotted helmet. Wow, everybody use the savings and try to get it. Few months later another big offer: 5 slotted helmets and for a higher lvl for 150$. OMG, why not to smash the piggy bank and buy it?! And so. All these trickeries make you spend like a fool. I knew few persons who payed over 5000$ in less than 1 year.

 5. GMs abuse you and threat you like a fly on the basis the game is "free". They don't give a shiit on you.

P2P (AION)

Pros:

1. BY spending 13-15$ monthly, actually the game makes you a big service. It seems that AION require ~120$ by year. Well, for Shaiya i've spent 1015$ in 12 months O_O

2. The game offer equal chances at drop. You don't have to pay for them with real money.

3. Higher chances that players have about same capacities, because all the items are found in game, not in item mall.

4. Higher interest in updates to keep the players unbored

5. Keeping away the children who make you feel bad sometime

6. grinding spots it'll be less crowded than in a F2P

 

Cons:

1. the game is available in the fall only :D

 

1st Shaiya is decent F2P game and you spending money is hardly anyones fault except your own.

2nd You have list one Con on a game you haven't even played. Rest assure the cons will be many as they are in all mmo's

Gold spammers are in all mmo's I've tried so far and the list is long, Aion won't be any excpetion just silly to even point that out.

GM's will for sure intervene in Aion as well as all other mmo's.

F2P is not a trick at all it's pretty obvious if people actually cared to do some reading but most people just want to game and then go buhuuuing when they felt tricked.

Just by logging to the internet you risk wasting lots of money because everything is so easy accessable it comes down to management of your own money and having control of it.

I can understand that people want to get uber rather quickly and spend real money to achive that it wasn't like someone held you gunpoint and forced you to buy it.

Take WoW for instance all high lv people run around with same equipment and the same will happen in Aion for sure. In a F2P game 2/3 of the player mass will never have that because they don't bother to spend money on it.

If you can't control your own purse then maybe gaming isn't the right thing for you if you feel ripped off.

All mmo's has people selling stuff either legally or illegally if you want something badly you can pay to get it no matter what mmo you play.

Aion will probably be a great game time will show.

Originally posted by funnylumpy

1st Shaiya is decent F2P game and you spending money is hardly anyones fault except your own.

it's not someones fault, it's the way game mechanic made ... sadly but there is no life for hard and ultimate modes in shaiya without $$$ made items

2nd You have list one Con on a game you haven't even played. Rest assure the cons will be many as they are in all mmo's

Gold spammers are in all mmo's I've tried so far and the list is long, Aion won't be any excpetion just silly to even point that out.

they might be everywhere, but usually you wont be bannes if you sell items in auto/afk mode to someone who bought gold from external site :)

2 of my friends were ... one till the end of times, and second got her justice "oh .. really, you couldn't know that ... but ... we'll delete all your money.. just in case"

GM's will for sure intervene in Aion as well as all other mmo's.

F2P is not a trick at all it's pretty obvious if people actually cared to do some reading but most people just want to game and then go buhuuuing when they felt tricked.

F2P in most cases IS trick ... to let people taste it for free, and show them after ... how much better it can be if they spend $$$. but in some cases publisher company does some strange things, like intentionally removing content from original game, so it will be only available for $$$ ...

and in case of NA/EU publisher of shaiya ... they killed idea of microtransactions and made it up to 150$ for montly pack of items, or up to 16$ for one use item ... the disappear instantly

Just by logging to the internet you risk wasting lots of money because everything is so easy accessable it comes down to management of your own money and having control of it.

I can understand that people want to get uber rather quickly and spend real money to achive that it wasn't like someone held you gunpoint and forced you to buy it.

kattay's sample were quite moderate amount of spending(for US shaiya), some spend up to 500 like in 10 days for rare occasions, a lot do like 500 per month ...  i personaly stopped after reached 100$ for 4 monthes, and felt the difference for next 5-6 monthes of gold based buying stuff .. only possible for nearly top lvl toons, and takes more time getting gold than actually levelling :)

Take WoW for instance all high lv people run around with same equipment and the same will happen in Aion for sure. In a F2P game 2/3 of the player mass will never have that because they don't bother to spend money on it.

i guess most of F2P game lack one little thing ... instances :) ... so all gear drops are quite controlled ... thats why most don't have top gear and so on :)

main adwantage of P2P games - you have all game, for not really hight price

If you can't control your own purse then maybe gaming isn't the right thing for you if you feel ripped off.

All mmo's has people selling stuff either legally or illegally if you want something badly you can pay to get it no matter what mmo you play.

Aion will probably be a great game time will show.

see my comments in color ... but generally, both F2P and P2P can be either good and ugly products, depends on the publisher, dame design, GM's and support, and ... lol, it's community

Comparing F2P to P2P?

All the F2P games i've played have been grinding grinding grinding...

The P2P games are still fun after a year and no grinding.

Originally posted by hs.dreamer

Originally posted by funnylumpy

1st Shaiya is decent F2P game and you spending money is hardly anyones fault except your own.

it's not someones fault, it's the way game mechanic made ... sadly but there is no life for hard and ultimate modes in shaiya without $$$ made items

2nd You have list one Con on a game you haven't even played. Rest assure the cons will be many as they are in all mmo's

Gold spammers are in all mmo's I've tried so far and the list is long, Aion won't be any excpetion just silly to even point that out.

they might be everywhere, but usually you wont be bannes if you sell items in auto/afk mode to someone who bought gold from external site :)

2 of my friends were ... one till the end of times, and second got her justice "oh .. really, you couldn't know that ... but ... we'll delete all your money.. just in case"

GM's will for sure intervene in Aion as well as all other mmo's.

F2P is not a trick at all it's pretty obvious if people actually cared to do some reading but most people just want to game and then go buhuuuing when they felt tricked.

F2P in most cases IS trick ... to let people taste it for free, and show them after ... how much better it can be if they spend $$$. but in some cases publisher company does some strange things, like intentionally removing content from original game, so it will be only available for $$$ ...

and in case of NA/EU publisher of shaiya ... they killed idea of microtransactions and made it up to 150$ for montly pack of items, or up to 16$ for one use item ... the disappear instantly

Just by logging to the internet you risk wasting lots of money because everything is so easy accessable it comes down to management of your own money and having control of it.

I can understand that people want to get uber rather quickly and spend real money to achive that it wasn't like someone held you gunpoint and forced you to buy it.

kattay's sample were quite moderate amount of spending(for US shaiya), some spend up to 500 like in 10 days for rare occasions, a lot do like 500 per month ...  i personaly stopped after reached 100$ for 4 monthes, and felt the difference for next 5-6 monthes of gold based buying stuff .. only possible for nearly top lvl toons, and takes more time getting gold than actually levelling :)

Take WoW for instance all high lv people run around with same equipment and the same will happen in Aion for sure. In a F2P game 2/3 of the player mass will never have that because they don't bother to spend money on it.

i guess most of F2P game lack one little thing ... instances :) ... so all gear drops are quite controlled ... thats why most don't have top gear and so on :)

main adwantage of P2P games - you have all game, for not really hight price

If you can't control your own purse then maybe gaming isn't the right thing for you if you feel ripped off.

All mmo's has people selling stuff either legally or illegally if you want something badly you can pay to get it no matter what mmo you play.

Aion will probably be a great game time will show.

 

see my comments in color ... but generally, both F2P and P2P can be either good and ugly products, depends on the publisher, dame design, GM's and support, and ... lol, it's community

white comment ---> someone who didn't played a F2P like Shaiya

pink comment ---> someone who speak for his own experience regarding F2P

Indeed, 1000$ for 12 months is nothing, really. I knew 2 persons who spent close to 10,000$ in about same amount of time. F2P abuse psychological on players: you can have this lame lvl in free, but you can have this awso0me thing if you pay a little. And then the little become huge. Depending of degree of addiction, you can leave the game at 100$ spent, 500$, 1000$ and so.

Last thing regarding Shaiya: this game is PvP based, so you can't survive w/o buying things from item mall with real money. And those items cost like hell, at least i Shaiya and all the F2P games owned by Aeria Games. Also, i've played Archlord, another F2P, a little bit cheaper, but still expensive.

Check this:

http://forums.aeriagames.com/viewtopic.php?t=367572

15000 AP = 150$

Originally posted by Synthetick

I can see the point, but the fact that most players don't go set up shop in a nice hub area, they go and all group together in areas (main cities, etc) where it's quite annoying and generally laggy enough, is really the issue.. And with the annoyance factor already inplace, most players that do set up a private store in a location such as you spoke of, they're often overlooked and people just run straight by them.

I know the time I spent on other copies of the game, I didn't personally stop to browse through a shop. The prices are typically going to be higher in that shop since direct competition (people selling the same item) can't be viewed like the AH -- this results in the prices in stores often to be inflated. I always head straight to the AH, and always will.

Good point. Someone who played games with player shop system instead AH. AH is the best way to reduce inflation too.

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

Originally posted by Zyllos

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

I, like many people, have my computer in my room so leaving it on all night is not on option.  Plus, when you have a 1000w power supply that is a lot of extra cash added to the power bill with it running just to sell items in a game.

Originally posted by Zyllos

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

I see your point too. Just figure out this: you need an item and you start to browse the player's store one by one; finally, you find the item and buy it... Not far from that store, you find same item, but way cheaper. What's your reaction?!

With AH system you can chek  the item by comparing directly the prices and you got the chance to buy the cheaper on the market. Just my opinion after i've played mmorpg's with both systems.

I think they should have 2 types of AH's, One for the avg dropped items and one for crafted items. Give the hard working people some love by giving them a special store to sell / show off there crafted items.

What is the porpuse of this thread?How can the Op asck for himself this question i have played Shaya and i have ben folowed Aion since forever now:P and this thing Shaya vs Aion is retard.First how can u compare Shaya a ftp game with a low budget with a colosos like Aion...I dont eaven bother see futher in this thred,waste of time or bether i sence trols in this thread.

I know this threads gotten quite a bit off topic...but about Shops vs. AH...

Player set shops were the most annoying thing I hated in Lineage 2.  Running through town looking at EVERY shop to see if your item is there that you want to sell, just to try and undercut them for a few dollars.  Spend a half hour searching through the whole town to sell one item underpriced....nevermind if you have a whole store of items to sell....can easily take you a good hour or more to properly set up your store....especially when a game is new and prices are not fixed.  Nevermind the lag and massive fps drop in town with 100+ stores set up while people are afk. 

Hopefully they will have some sort of auto disconnect after an hour or something like that...that way you can set up a private store for a little while say, at a pvp event selling pots n such for people while you take a quick break n run to the store for some Dew!  Who the hell wants to keep their computer running 24/7 to try and make cash. 

My electric bill went up quite a bit while playing L2 from this....me and my room-mate BOTH keeping our computers on while playing, then selling overnight....no thanks.  You setting up your own store or placing items on the AH really makes no difference in the outcome.  People are usually AFK during these times arent they?  I know I wouldnt set up store only to sit there waiting for a pm to lower my price. 

I say let the AH do the work for you, if someones going to undercut you....it's going to be done anyway until your back to check on things.  =)

Other than this for the NA version....I love the game so far, very nice!

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

 

Ahhh... Ayase beat me to it!!!

This is so true.

Player shops in Lineage 2 (for instance) work extremely well because it does allow players to do more than just "post stuff" to sell.

I recall having pricing wars and even buying out my competition in order to corner the market.

Players used to set up shops in common areas of popular dungeons (cruma tower!!!) in order to sell their wares.

I would take personal shops over AH anyday as it makes the game far more vibrant and alive.

Heck, sometimes you could pm a player on the spot and haggle the price. It's really an incredible thing.

Auction houses are... well... "convenient".

Price wars, and buying out the competition to corner the market can be done, if not easier, directly through an AH. You just have to watch it and pay attention. I'm not worried about competition so much with shops as someone has to manually click through each of the 400 shops gathered together to find what they're looking for.

The AH is a beautiful tool to scope out the competition of other sellers on the server and compete directly with them, as well as the potential bid wars.

And I fail to see how people AFK shopping makes the game feel vibrant and alive, and that's exactly what 95% of the people who post up as shop do, is go AFK. I'd rather log in and see people screaming in the trade channel then have a city full of AFK shops.

Auctions houses are convenient, yes, but ontop of that, are also more organized and the prices aren't as inflated. Not to mention the auction houses are usually linked, so instead of having to travel 5-10 minutes out of my way to check shops over there => I can just check the AH and check the prices everywhere, that would tie directly into the convenience. Which, in this day and age, is what MMOs (including Aion) are all about. Convenience, it's the way of MMOs now, like it or not. Some of it's good, some of it's bad.

If you haven't played Lineage 2 extensively then you wouldn't know. Individual shops put the power in the hands of the seller. And yes, it is possible to inflate the price. That's the beauty of it. As a buyer you have to be dilligent. As a seller you can take advantage of the fact that not every price in the area is in a board for everyone to see. Of course you run the risk of not having anyone purchase your items but that's the way it goes.

And it most certainly makes the cities feel more alive. Instead of people mobbing the AH guy you have movement throughout the city, you have people hawking their wares and shouting to buy. And not everyone goes afk. Oh sure you don't have to be manning your computer but through the 4 + years of L2 I can attest to many encounters, both buying and selling where people would haggle or I would find an item and talk the person selling it down just enough to make it bearable.

There is a very real and palpable reason why there are both systems. If the AH was superior and game makers would just put it in. But there really is a noticeable difference between both systems.

I've played both and I'll take the individual shops any day.

er, but yeah, Shaiya and Aion... two different birds.

You make some good points Sovrath.

Moving from L2 to LoTRO, I really enjoy'd learning and using an Auction Hall.  I found it a lot easier to get more bang for my buck so to say...   However, the cities always felt ghostly without nearly the amount of live merchant services occuring.

There was generally a few people trying to ditch wares in a hurry offering them up over shout...  but usually only during peak hours and rarely with responses.  Also, sending mail to the item holder and trying to haggle rarely resulted in a sale...  Not to mention you generally had to wait out the two day duration on the Auction before they'd think about changing the price.    

Edit:  Can't use BB code lol.

Originally posted by GoldenDog

You make some good points Sovrath.

 

Moving from L2 to LoTRO, I really enjoy'd learning and using an Auction Hall.  I found it a lot easier to get more bang for my buck so to say...   However, the cities always felt ghostly without nearly the amount of live merchant services occuring.

 

There was generally a few people trying to ditch wares in a hurry offering them up over shout...  but usually only during peak hours and rarely with responses.  Also, sending mail to the item holder and trying to haggle rarely resulted in a sale...  Not to mention you generally had to wait out the two day duration on the Auction before they'd think about changing the price.    

 

Edit:  Can't use BB code lol.

Goldendog!!! I think I remember you from the L2 boards!

I also play LOTRO now as my mmo and I just don't like the AH. It makes the places like Bree seem dead.

Giran in L2 was one of the best cities.

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Goldendog!!! I think I remember you from the L2 boards!

I also play LOTRO now as my mmo and I just don't like the AH. It makes the places like Bree seem dead.

Giran in L2 was one of the best cities.

Yep, one and the same.  I used to write those stories with Captain Flash, St. Thomas, Sir Elhoir, Whiteleaf, and Kyra (I can't remember how to spell her name... the wolf girl from Hawaii...)

I thought I had spun you into one of those yarns (The color of her panties) although it was quite awhile ago...  I recognize that same avatar of yours.  It's the same one you've used since 2004!  You used to write music and played a dark-elf nuker if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by GoldenDog

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Goldendog!!! I think I remember you from the L2 boards!

I also play LOTRO now as my mmo and I just don't like the AH. It makes the places like Bree seem dead.

Giran in L2 was one of the best cities.

 

 

Yep, one and the same.  I used to write those stories with Captain Flash, St. Thomas, Sir Elhoir, Whiteleaf, and Kyra (I can't remember how to spell her name... the wolf girl from Hawaii...)

 

I thought I had spun you into one of those yarns (The color of her panties) although it was quite awhile ago...  I recognize that same avatar of yours.  It's the same one you've used since 2004!  You used to write music and played a dark-elf nuker if I'm not mistaken.

Bingo!

Looking to see if Aion can bring back that ol' nuker feeling.

Originally posted by alin1209

What is the porpuse of this thread?How can the Op asck for himself this question i have played Shaya and i have ben folowed Aion since forever now:P and this thing Shaya vs Aion is retard.First how can u compare Shaya a ftp game with a low budget with a colosos like Aion...I dont eaven bother see futher in this thred,waste of time or bether i sence trols in this thread.

First, i feel insulted when you say "retard". Saying that Shaiya is low budget, that is a mistake and prove you didn't passed lvl 30 or so on normal mode. The owner gain millions of dollars by year with this game and you say is low budget?

Anyway, for sensible persons like you i added the second part: F2P vs P2P.

I really felt bad after i read your reply.

Can i ask you to be more constructive? Not only throwing with mud on the others?

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

I was actually in the COB and saw an excellent example of this, right next to the quest giver in the Library there was a personal shop selling the Lephartist symbols for 3k.  I thought it was a great move, the quest gives 4100 as a reward so anyone could just buy one and complete the quest and make 1100 profit without having to head all the way back to that damn farm and grind to find one.  If it hadn't ended I was thinking of doing the same with the Drukal symbols... but it took for &*&%ing ever to find the 2 I got.

I may try it for NA if they are still in game.

Originally posted by beauxaj

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

I was actually in the COB and saw an excellent example of this, right next to the quest giver in the Library there was a personal shop selling the Lephartist symbols for 3k.  I thought it was a great move, the quest gives 4100 as a reward so anyone could just buy one and complete the quest and make 1100 profit without having to head all the way back to that damn farm and grind to find one.  If it hadn't ended I was thinking of doing the same with the Drukal symbols... but it took for &*&%ing ever to find the 2 I got.

I may try it for NA if they are still in game.

And that's the power of the player shop!

In L2, people would set up shops in Cruma with slightly overpriced shots (which make one's attacks more powerful each time one uses them).

So, a player could go all the way back to town or they could take advantage of the convenience of a shop.

Same thing with the no grade shots. One could buy them in noob towns but sometimes players were still using no grade weapons by the time they hit gludio.

So players would purchase as many as they could carry and run from, say... dark elf village, to gludio to sell and make 1 or 2 adena more for each one.

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

In my humble opinion, the only MMO to get player vendors done the right way was Ultima Online... You purchased NPC vendor contracts and had to set them up on your housing, or guild housing, or friended housing. You had to pay the NPC to keep him working for you, and you stocked his inventory how you see fit... I haven't seen it done any better in any other MMO I've tried.
 

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Originally posted by alin1209

What is the porpuse of this thread?How can the Op asck for himself this question i have played Shaya and i have ben folowed Aion since forever now:P and this thing Shaya vs Aion is retard.First how can u compare Shaya a ftp game with a low budget with a colosos like Aion...I dont eaven bother see futher in this thred,waste of time or bether i sence trols in this thread.

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First, i feel insulted when you say "retard". Saying that Shaiya is low budget, that is a mistake and prove you didn't passed lvl 30 or so on normal mode. The owner gain millions of dollars by year with this game and you say is low budget?
Anyway, for sensible persons like you i added the second part: F2P vs P2P.
I really felt bad after i read your reply.
Can i ask you to be more constructive? Not only throwing with mud on the others?
 

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as a fellow L2 vet (left in C3) I agree with Sovrath.

Every time i ran through a city i had to stop by the market.  back in the early days, that meant every time i ran through gludio or dion.  every time i went back to giran i checked all the shops there.  it was exciting, to see what was up for sale.

also, both buy and sell stores.  similar to how EVE has buy and sell orders, you can put up private shops to buy or sell items, not just sell.  I love this.  this makes things eaiser for sellers sometimes.  instead of setting up your own shop, you find some buyer offering a decent price and unload your goods.

AHs are nice, but i prefer private stores, and having both would be even better (though i doubt i'll be using the AH, i just enjoy "browsing" private stores too much)

Originally posted by alin1209

 

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U realy make me bother to get back to you on this replay.Ok now i have played assasin on Shaya on normal mode till max lv(50 if i remember corectly) to be able to unlock hard mode and i have knothice few things, assasins r pimped insane i have won all pvp 1 vs 1 with any class and not becouse i was good 3 skils to use finishing with stun and u as an adversary wont be able to do nothing and i talck about any class i have evean win against players in hardmode with my normal mode assasin and that is balance?Than i start again assasin in hardmode what?is not grind? it make L2 a kid it was take me days to get lv 15 or 20 i dont remember and i was playng 6 to 8 hours a day.Casters being moust retard clases being intrerupt from casting at any hit soo cast run cast run lol...why i buther explaining this?And i dont whant to talck about graphic comparing to Aion and crafting is usles in Shaya and item shop overpower shop junkyes and we still have a chalange? Aion vs Shaya? than i am sory to desapoint but it is realy a waste of time this comparation and for my curiosity what uther games have u play before?to eaven think to a comparation like this?
Have fun playng what u like but having this discution about this subjuct is indeed retard.

 

Yea, is it obvious you never played Shaiya or you played until lvl 20 or so... PLease keep your BS for you, no need to spread it all over the forum.

Just for your knowledge, max lvl is 60, not 50 as you said (1st proof you speak BS). Then another BS is saying you can defeat a hard mode player (you make me laugh). All you've done was to read a bit the forum and that's all.

Last thing: how the heck you reached lvl 50 in normal mode in 2-3 days? I suggest you to read a bit more before posting all your crap.

Now get lost...

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Originally posted by kattay

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Originally posted by alin1209

 

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U realy make me bother to get back to you on this replay.Ok now i have played assasin on Shaya on normal mode till max lv(50 if i remember corectly) to be able to unlock hard mode and i have knothice few things, assasins r pimped insane i have won all pvp 1 vs 1 with any class and not becouse i was good 3 skils to use finishing with stun and u as an adversary wont be able to do nothing and i talck about any class i have evean win against players in hardmode with my normal mode assasin and that is balance?Than i start again assasin in hardmode what?is not grind? it make L2 a kid it was take me days to get lv 15 or 20 i dont remember and i was playng 6 to 8 hours a day.Casters being moust retard clases being intrerupt from casting at any hit soo cast run cast run lol...why i buther explaining this?And i dont whant to talck about graphic comparing to Aion and crafting is usles in Shaya and item shop overpower shop junkyes and we still have a chalange? Aion vs Shaya? than i am sory to desapoint but it is realy a waste of time this comparation and for my curiosity what uther games have u play before?to eaven think to a comparation like this?
Have fun playng what u like but having this discution about this subjuct is indeed retard.
 

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Yea, is it obvious you never played Shaiya or you played until lvl 20 or so... PLease keep your BS for you, no need to spread it all over the forum.
Just for your knowledge, max lvl is 60, not 50 as you said (1st proof you speak BS). Then another BS is saying you can defeat a hard mode player (you make me laugh). All you've done was to read a bit the forum and that's all.
Last thing: how the heck you reached lvl 50 in normal mode in 2-3 days? I suggest you to read a bit more before posting all your crap.
Now get lost...

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