Im not sure why my previous post was deleted but I would like to clarify that I do not think the LOTRO quests are HARD.  THey are as simple as any other games.  It is finding the quest locations that is difficult and a time waster.

Yes played EQOA several years ago and the quest directions were vague, mobs required serious camping and it took a half hours running to get to the next city.  It was exciting times during thos days and Iwouldnt trade them for anything however, with a career and other rl commitments I can no longer game in that fashion. Life moves forward and we need to choose games that can fit into it.

Originally posted by pussaykat

I figure some of them are wow haters and wow creeping into their game or any other actually scares them.

I could be wrong of course. There could be a secret club for ppl who find their quest objectives right and i'm not in it.

I gotta agree with MrBloodworth here.

Its okey to complain about you not being able to find the quest objectives, but to try and put the blame on Turbine, who have written some of the best quest descriptions/dialogs up to date, just make yourself look bad. I have a friend who has the very same problem. He can't tell the difference from up and down in a MMO world, but he knows that's his own problem and not Turbine.

Find something else to blame than the quest dialogs, which are just about perfectly written. Its like blaming your ping-pong partner, Forest Gump, for losing a match against two 5 year olds.

Originally posted by Styij

I like that you have to explore and research quests to find them, even ask others. Of course, I'm the kind that enters an area and runs all over it exploring every nook and cranny clicking on everything...they just don't reward explorers like me...:(

Actually, Turbine do reward you for exploring, with XP, Titles and Virtues.

Thats true, but it would be cool to stumble upon an instance dungeon or some such that randomly occures in the middle of noware that is a one shot or could lead to a story arc.

what are we talking about, a quest tracker? a quest tracker? are you serious a quest tracker? we are talking about a quest tracker right? a quest tracker? ive been playing mmos for 12 years and we are talking about a quest tracker. are you kidding me a quest tracker?

Originally posted by lornj

what are we talking about, a quest tracker? a quest tracker? are you serious a quest tracker? we are talking about a quest tracker right? a quest tracker? ive been playing mmos for 12 years and we are talking about a quest tracker. are you kidding me a quest tracker?

The idea came from WoW's addon system where the addon "QuestHelper" was developed. That addon would locate all your quest objectives in quest level range and calculate the most efficient route to complete them all.

My personnal problem with the directions was that i never knew if i passed the objective or if it was still further. I do have a problem with those directions where some people don't. There's no need to argue if the actual directions are vague or not because it really a matter of perception.

Anyway it seems turbine felt it's community wanted some support in that particular area of the game and decided to develop a quest tracker system for their game. The time and money investment leads me to belive it was a serious decision.

Originally posted by pussaykat

Originally posted by lornj

what are we talking about, a quest tracker? a quest tracker? are you serious a quest tracker? we are talking about a quest tracker right? a quest tracker? ive been playing mmos for 12 years and we are talking about a quest tracker. are you kidding me a quest tracker?

 

The idea came from WoW's addon system where the addon "QuestHelper" was developed. That addon would locate all your quest objectives in quest level range and calculate the most efficient route to complete them all.

My personnal problem with the directions was that i never knew if i passed the objective or if it was still further. I do have a problem with those directions where some people don't. There's no need to argue if the actual directions are vague or not because it really a matter of perception.

Anyway it seems turbine felt it's community wanted some support in that particular area of the game and decided to develop a quest tracker system for their game. The time and money investment leads me to belive it was a serious decision.

 Hehe.. If the dialogs are vague or not, is not a matter of perception. Its a matter of using our muscle that usually rests unused between our ears. Turbine understood that most of the new generation mmo players wont be bothered to use it, not even bother to ask in /advice , so they created the quest helper.

Here is a typical quest dialog from lotro:

'While we seem to have made it through the worst with the Blackwolds, there is still one threat that my farmhands and I can't seem to silence.

'There is a great, vicious boar that lives somewhere to the east of my farm. His den is built in an old, rotting tree stump. Folks call him Old Bloodtusk, but I call him a nuisance! Always rooting for food near my hedge. He once broke through the hedge and gored a farmhand in my field.

'With all that is going on, it may seem a bit foolish, but that boar isn't right and is better dead than alive.'

Here is a typical quest dialog in a new mmo in the near future:

"Kill bad Boar." The Farmer has asked you to follow the quest arrow on your minimap for directions.

Read, dont skim. 

 

Originally posted by lornj

what are we talking about, a quest tracker? a quest tracker? are you serious a quest tracker? we are talking about a quest tracker right? a quest tracker? ive been playing mmos for 12 years and we are talking about a quest tracker. are you kidding me a quest tracker?

Actually no, we're talking about a quest tracker.... =P

I like that the game now has a quest tracker.  Overall, they've done a good job of providing enough info to help you find your objective without so much info that you don't have to work for it a little bit. 

The fact that sites like Thottbot, Allakhazam and MMODB exist and flourish tells us that most people want this sort of help -- or at least need the help from time to time.  If that's what the community wants, then developers are nuts not to give it to them. 

It's also key to remember that you have the option to turn the Quest Tracker off.  If you don't like it or don't want it -- don't use it.  You can have the extra immersion that you crave without affecting or being affected by those who would like the easier approach.  Everyone wins, and in the end that means that the game does better which means we get better content to enjoy.

And by the way, remember that the Quest Tracker only tracks quests that are in your log.  It doesn't do a thing to help you locate new quests.  There's still a lot of content tucked away in the game that only die-hard explorers will ever find.  :)

Originally posted by aurick

I like that the game now has a quest tracker.  Overall, they've done a good job of providing enough info to help you find your objective without so much info that you don't have to work for it a little bit. 

The fact that sites like Thottbot, Allakhazam and MMODB exist and flourish tells us that most people want this sort of help -- or at least need the help from time to time.  If that's what the community wants, then developers are nuts not to give it to them. 

It's also key to remember that you have the option to turn the Quest Tracker off.  If you don't like it or don't want it -- don't use it.  You can have the extra immersion that you crave without affecting or being affected by those who would like the easier approach.  Everyone wins, and in the end that means that the game does better which means we get better content to enjoy.

And by the way, remember that the Quest Tracker only tracks quests that are in your log.  It doesn't do a thing to help you locate new quests.  There's still a lot of content tucked away in the game that only die-hard explorers will ever find.  :)

This is true, some of the quests are quite well hidden and unless you know where to look for them chances are you wont find them very quick

Originally posted by Styij

I like that you have to explore and research quests to find them, even ask others. Of course, I'm the kind that enters an area and runs all over it exploring every nook and cranny clicking on everything...they just don't reward explorers like me...:(

WHAT? There is an entire deed system dedacated to exploration, compleate with LORE.

Originally posted by lornj

what are we talking about, a quest tracker? a quest tracker? are you serious a quest tracker? we are talking about a quest tracker right? a quest tracker? ive been playing mmos for 12 years and we are talking about a quest tracker. are you kidding me a quest tracker?

No, a quest guide. Quest tracker is the list of quests on the right side of your screen.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by kadepsyson

More and more people seem to want a game where a single click puts them at max level, and pounding a button on their keyboard will eventually net them the best gear.  Easy is the name of the game, and so few want a game that requires reading, thought, or a bit of exploration.  Mindless Mmo Monkeys.

 

Correct. The compass was implemented do help folks level faster.  Personally im in no hurry to level in any game i play, i enjoy exploring and following the storyline (if the game has one which i think LOTRO does).  If you want to use the compass, it its there, if not, dont. Why some people go balistic over things that do not effect them amazes me.

Nope, it was added to help people like pussaykat, who refuse to pay attention to things like landmarks, places, and directions.

I really don't get it. The quests were perfectly easy to find before they added the questhelp system in. All the info you need can be found by reading the quest information.

Originally posted by Koolaider

I really don't get it. The quests were perfectly easy to find before they added the questhelp system in. All the info you need can be found by reading the quest information.

Turbine gave people options, nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by BesCirga

 

Here is a typical quest dialog in a new mmo in the near future:

"Kill bad Boar." The Farmer has asked you to follow the quest arrow on your minimap for directions.

Read, dont skim. 

 

LMAO

Originally posted by BesCirga

Here is a typical quest dialog from lotro:

'While we seem to have made it through the worst with the Blackwolds, there is still one threat that my farmhands and I can't seem to silence.

'There is a great, vicious boar that lives somewhere to the east of my farm. His den is built in an old, rotting tree stump. Folks call him Old Bloodtusk, but I call him a nuisance! Always rooting for food near my hedge. He once broke through the hedge and gored a farmhand in my field.

'With all that is going on, it may seem a bit foolish, but that boar isn't right and is better dead than alive.'

Here is a typical quest dialog in a new mmo in the near future:

"Kill bad Boar." The Farmer has asked you to follow the quest arrow on your minimap for directions.

Haha, awesome.

Personally, I like to have to think a bit more than whats needed in the average MMOs nowadays. I would probably avoid using this feature, and others who dont want/need it can avoid it too... in this case at least.

The problem as I see it is that it might not stop with this... the trip down the road of "handholding" has begun. In other words; they will probably add more help options to the game, and before you know it its a match to WoWs millions of addons.

Of course, I could be way off track with this (maybe I need a quest tracker?), but I guess time will tell.

Originally posted by pussaykat

I spend 1 or 2 hours looking to find a way to complete a quest that would take 30 min tops to complete. Ultimatly that's why i quit back then but i'm bored stiff here and i'm looking to go back, possibly.

I try to be nice to people on the forums but come the hell on! Oh no I have to engage my brain, I'd much prefer mindless tell me exactly where to go and exactly what to do with no thought or freedom involved please.

They have these "studies" that say video games make people less intelligent, maybe people are making video games less intelligent.

Originally posted by AllNewMMOSuk

Originally posted by pussaykat

I spend 1 or 2 hours looking to find a way to complete a quest that would take 30 min tops to complete. Ultimatly that's why i quit back then but i'm bored stiff here and i'm looking to go back, possibly.

 

I try to be nice to people on the forums but come the hell on! Oh no I have to engage my brain, I'd much prefer mindless tell me exactly where to go and exactly what to do with no thought or freedom involved please.

 

They have these "studies" that say video games make people less intelligent, maybe people are making video games less intelligent.

If you do not like the feature then do not activate it. And i can tell how nice you are trying to be.