Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by zipit

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Gameloading

I really love how you say "you libs are going to regret it all" just because things don't go the way YOU want them to be. Guess what: Liberals voted differently than you BECAUSE they didn't want things to go your way.

 

 

I stand by the fact you will regret your choice.  If they have their way, first conservatives will be gone and silenced...then they'll come for YOU. 

I don't want things MY WAY, I want things to be left alone so i can pursue my own destiny, not be force fed yours!

 

Actually it's conservatives who continue to intervene with other peoples lives.

Who are at the front opposing gay marriage?

Conservatives.

Who are at the front opposing abortion?

Conservatives

Who are at the front trying to push religion into laws and even public schools?

Conservatives.

against legalizing prostitution?

Conservatives

The average christian conservative believe in freedom......for themselves. Everything that goes against their moral code should be banned.

Also, sticking to a constitution written hundreds of years ago that was written for a time period with a completely different kind of society will only harm the US. There is a thing called Progress.

 

        I hear you bro. QFE!

your're right...
 

It's conservatives that stand up for the rights of children unborn every day. damn them.

It's conservatives that want strong law enforcement and true murders put to death to pay for their crimes. damn them.

it's conservatives that want to keep the money THEY earn for themselves and their familys. How dare they.

It's conservatives that want to keep the governement in check from becoming a power hungry pig.  those bastards.

yes, we're all so in your life, messing your piggy mentality.  shame on us.

and you wouldn't be using the old 50's blue laws still to support your argument would you?  Isn't that a bit lame? 

oh i forgot...gotta throw out one or two examples of extremism to make sure we're all properly lumped into our tiny places.

 and edit this:  Since WHEN is wanting the pleadge to our flag considered RELIGION?  get a clue.

 

Why did you even bother to quote my post and reply?

Your points are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to the points I made, you didn't refute any of them, you only listed a couple of things that are not related to my points in any way.

Are you denying that a great number of conservatives are trying to enforce religion onto everyone else?

Are you denying that a great number of conservatives are trying to keep gays from getting married?

Are you denying that a great number of conservatives are trying to keep legalizing prostitution out?

Are you denying that a great number of conservatives are against abortion? (seriously, learn the difference between a child and a fetus)

Stop trying to pretend as if the conservatives philosophy is to keep out of peoples lives. It isn't, Conservatives LOVE to get into your lives and tell you what you can or can not do. Either try to refute my points, or don't bother quoting me. There is no reason to.

 

oh you...

The difference between a child and a fetus.  wow. 

So let me ask you this... And i doubt you have the intellectual balls to say it

Is it still a fetus when it's left to die on the floor becaue it was the mother's intent to abort? 

maybe it's still a fetus when the so-called doctor has to wrap the 'fetus'' cord around it's neck so it will suffocate after it's born, (afterall, the dr botched the job and didn't 'terminate' the fetus properly)

I'm talking about that hush hush bill that Obama supports where it's ok to let the "fetus" die if the abortion fails because afterall it was the mother's intent to abort. 

you call that progress...  Conservatives call it infanticide. 

you can pretend to change the definition of what is alive and what isn't all you want...but in the end you are the one sounding so foolish.

 

 and i bet you're against death penalty for murderers.

A fetus has the conscioussness of a vegetable that could POTENTIALLY grow up to be a born child. You know all those cute born babies that are shown on billboards and posters by "pro life" supporters? Yeah, it's not the same as abortion, it's typical misleading crap from convies (convies..sounds kind of cute, doesn't it?)

I love how you ignore all the other points  by the way, I suppose they were just to uncomfortable with your flawed impression of conservatives as "freedom fighters".

I'm not against the death penalty for murderers, in fact, i'm in favor of very strict punishments, including the death penalty.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Gameloading

I really love how you say "you libs are going to regret it all" just because things don't go the way YOU want them to be. Guess what: Liberals voted differently than you BECAUSE they didn't want things to go your way.

 

 

I stand by the fact you will regret your choice.  If they have their way, first conservatives will be gone and silenced...then they'll come for YOU. 

I don't want things MY WAY, I want things to be left alone so i can pursue my own destiny, not be force fed yours!

 

Actually it's conservatives who continue to intervene with other peoples lives.

Who are at the front opposing gay marriage?

Conservatives.

Who are at the front opposing abortion?

Conservatives

Who are at the front trying to push religion into laws and even public schools?

Conservatives.

against legalizing prostitution?

Conservatives

The average christian conservative believe in freedom......for themselves. Everything that goes against their moral code should be banned.

Also, sticking to a constitution written hundreds of years ago that was written for a time period with a completely different kind of society will only harm the US. There is a thing called Progress.

Abortion and Same sex mariage (Gays CAN be married!) have both been enacted by judges, not the legislature or voters.
 

Name one way religion is pushing into schools and law. It is quite the opposite of your fantesy. I ask this of one of my left leaning friends awhile back because he said the same thing. He couldn't come up with one example.

Leagalizing prostitution!? I didn't realise that was a big issue but I guess you are trying to get the jump and blame conservatives now.

Your last line about the Constitution being outdated is just asnine. What is outdated is the old ideas the left has been pushing for the last 30-40 years.  As Sowell says, "the youngest of us have the oldest of ideas"  (paraphrasing)

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by Gameloading

I really love how you say "you libs are going to regret it all" just because things don't go the way YOU want them to be. Guess what: Liberals voted differently than you BECAUSE they didn't want things to go your way.

 

 

I stand by the fact you will regret your choice.  If they have their way, first conservatives will be gone and silenced...then they'll come for YOU. 

I don't want things MY WAY, I want things to be left alone so i can pursue my own destiny, not be force fed yours!

 

Actually it's conservatives who continue to intervene with other peoples lives.

Who are at the front opposing gay marriage?

Conservatives.

Who are at the front opposing abortion?

Conservatives

Who are at the front trying to push religion into laws and even public schools?

Conservatives.

against legalizing prostitution?

Conservatives

The average christian conservative believe in freedom......for themselves. Everything that goes against their moral code should be banned.

Also, sticking to a constitution written hundreds of years ago that was written for a time period with a completely different kind of society will only harm the US. There is a thing called Progress.

Abortion and Same sex mariage (Gays CAN be married!) have both been enacted by judges, not the legislature or voters.
 

Name one way religion is pushing into schools and law. It is quite the opposite of your fantesy. I ask this of one of my left leaning friends awhile back because he said the same thing. He couldn't come up with one example.

Leagalizing prostitution!? I didn't realise that was a big issue but I guess you are trying to get the jump and blame conservatives now.

Your last line about the Constitution being outdated is just asnine. What is outdated is the old ideas the left has been pushing for the last 30-40 years.  As Sowell says, "the youngest of us have the oldest of ideas"  (paraphrasing)

You're completely missing the point. Just because conservatives haven't actually managed to get legal success in some cases doesn't mean their opinion or movement changes.

It's no secret that conservatives are agains legalizing gay marriage and Abortion, If it is actually up to them or how much success they have had is irrelevant to the point, they atill support against it.

Name one way religion is pushing into schools and law?

First:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4fQA9mt-Mg

second of all,  Conservatives have been trying to very hard to get religion taught into science class schools, except they attempt to make it sound more science like by calling it "Creationism".  Just because a person doesn't mention "christianity" doesn't mean they are not talking about religion.

Legalizing prostitution isn't a big issue because most people just like to pretend the issue doesn't exist, but it's there anyway and christians conservatives are at the front line against it.

But please keep thinking that an old constitution can last forever. It's not written for the society you live in today.
 

Stop confusing Conservatives for Republicans.  Conservatism is an ideology, Republicans are a political party.  Things like intervention is simply against conservative ideals, so the moment you said Conservatives are trying to interfere in our lives is the moment you could not distinguish them.

I think the republicans plan is going just as planned.  They put in a Democrat Super Majority and if the public figures out what a terrible idea that was just like in 1978, then they would vote all Republican again.  However, this is preying on the stupidity of sheeple who think if you can't vote D, then the only choice is to vote R.  With a $4 trillion budget ($2.2 trillion being deficit spending) I think the american people will get a clue about this president, but not a clue on the republicrats they keep voting in.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Stop confusing Conservatives for Republicans.  Conservatism is an ideology, Republicans are a political party.  Things like intervention is simply against conservative ideals, so the moment you said Conservatives are trying to interfere in our lives is the moment you could not distinguish them.

I think the republicans plan is going just as planned.  They put in a Democrat Super Majority and if the public figures out what a terrible idea that was just like in 1978, then they would vote all Republican again.  However, this is preying on the stupidity of sheeple who think if you can't vote D, then the only choice is to vote R.  With a $4 trillion budget ($2.2 trillion being deficit spending) I think the american people will get a clue about this president, but not a clue on the republicrats they keep voting in.

From my experience, the vast majority of republicans ARE conservatives. in fact, I have never met a non conservative republican in my life. The republican agenda and conservative agenda is in many cases very similar.

No, Intervention is not against conservant ideals, a large amount of people who intervene with the issues I mentioned, probably the vast majority, are conservative.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Cleffy

Stop confusing Conservatives for Republicans.  Conservatism is an ideology, Republicans are a political party.  Things like intervention is simply against conservative ideals, so the moment you said Conservatives are trying to interfere in our lives is the moment you could not distinguish them.

I think the republicans plan is going just as planned.  They put in a Democrat Super Majority and if the public figures out what a terrible idea that was just like in 1978, then they would vote all Republican again.  However, this is preying on the stupidity of sheeple who think if you can't vote D, then the only choice is to vote R.  With a $4 trillion budget ($2.2 trillion being deficit spending) I think the american people will get a clue about this president, but not a clue on the republicrats they keep voting in.

 

From my experience, the vast majority of republicans ARE conservatives. in fact, I have never met a non conservative republican in my life. The republican agenda and conservative agenda is in many cases very similar.

No, Intervention is not against conservant ideals, a large amount of people who intervene with the issues I mentioned, probably the vast majority, are conservative.

Do you really live in the Netherlands?   (off topic just curious)

As for most republicans being conservatives..  I know some democrats that are as well, though significantly less in volume, and particularly difficult to understand :P   (How can a conservative vote FOR liberal idealims? lol)

Actually it's conservatives who continue to intervene with other peoples lives.

Who are at the front opposing gay marriage?

Who are at the front opposing abortion?

Who are at the front trying to push religion into laws and even public schools?

against legalizing prostitution?
 

Like I said difference between idealogy and the party.  Last time I checked, having the idealogy of less government intervention and allowing people to make their own decisions didn't involve putting such bans and illegalization in place.  Trying to uphold the constitution doesn't mean trying to push religion on the state level.  The people who call themselves conservative are often people just using it as a title to get votes.  You can't be too conservative if you want to intervene that much on peoples lives.

Originally posted by Gameloading

From my experience, the vast majority of republicans ARE conservatives. in fact, I have never met a non conservative republican in my life. The republican agenda and conservative agenda is in many cases very similar.

No, Intervention is not against conservant ideals, a large amount of people who intervene with the issues I mentioned, probably the vast majority, are conservative.

Then you are not looking very hard.  The Republican Party can run the gamut of the ideological spectrum.  So can the Democratic Party for that matter.  Perhaps you have heard of conservative Democrats, or "blue dog" Democrats as they are commonly referred to.  They tend to be much more conservative than the Democratic National Party.  In the same way, liberal Republicans are often referred to as Rinos (Republican in name only).  They tend to be more liberal than the Republican National Party.  Geography has a lot to do with ideology.  A lot of the liberal Republicans come from the Northeast United States which, along with the West Coast, is more liberal than the rest of the country.  The three Republican Senators who voted for the stimulus bill were Northeast Republicans and are not the most popular within the Republican Party right now.

And the South tends to be more conservative than the rest of the country.  This is were a lot the blue dogs come from.  In fact, I would say that it is not uncommon for many Democrats from the South to be more conservative than many Republicans from the Northeast.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Cleffy

Stop confusing Conservatives for Republicans.  Conservatism is an ideology, Republicans are a political party.  Things like intervention is simply against conservative ideals, so the moment you said Conservatives are trying to interfere in our lives is the moment you could not distinguish them.

I think the republicans plan is going just as planned.  They put in a Democrat Super Majority and if the public figures out what a terrible idea that was just like in 1978, then they would vote all Republican again.  However, this is preying on the stupidity of sheeple who think if you can't vote D, then the only choice is to vote R.  With a $4 trillion budget ($2.2 trillion being deficit spending) I think the american people will get a clue about this president, but not a clue on the republicrats they keep voting in.

 

From my experience, the vast majority of republicans ARE conservatives. in fact, I have never met a non conservative republican in my life. The republican agenda and conservative agenda is in many cases very similar.

No, Intervention is not against conservant ideals, a large amount of people who intervene with the issues I mentioned, probably the vast majority, are conservative.

What experience do you have with American Republicans? How many do you actually know? How well do you know them?

From my experience with Republicans, most are conservative on some things, but not others. Most are center right of some sort -- not particularly conservative, just moderates who lean slightly to the right.

Most Democrats I know are center left -- somewhere around Bill Clinton. Most Democrats I know are not very happy with Obama.

I hate being right so often when it comes to these things. It sucks. I want my country, and my world, to prosper, but people keep choosing the opposite. I'll just keep hoping for the best, always be prepared for the worst, and always be willing to shine a light in the darkness.

I kind of actually agree with parts of what you are saying -- conservatives are almost as bad as liberals with their own interventionist agenda -- but I can't support the manner in which you are presenting it.

Vladimir Lenin laughs his ass off at Obama's meek attempt at socialism..

Now that the idea of social awareness and class struggle has reached American pulpits, it was only a matter of time before progressive historical revisionism left its academic confines and flooded the nation's churches, raising consciousness of the worshiping masses and prompting them to re-evaluate archaic concepts of faith,freedom,and morality.Armed with the winning theory of class struggle, more and more oppressed churchgoers are finding the courage to speak out against violations of human rights in the ancient world, and indeed against the entire litany of traditional,conceptions,based on the Bible and its teachings.

In this sense, the conference of religious leaders and scholars from around the world, titled From Security to Homelessness: Moses and the Renegade Exodus of the Hebrews was the first major event of its kind, focusing on Moses fraudulent activities and the resulting major humanitarian disaster called the Exodus.

Originally posted by frodus

Vladimir Lenin laughs his ass off at Obama's meek attempt at socialism..

Oh, frodus, thanks for the laugh.  I lost it with that one.  It's good to know that I can still find humor in this day and age.  There's nothing funny about socialism, but you managed to find something anyway.

Originally posted by frodus

Russian Goatse?

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

You're completely missing the point. Just because conservatives haven't actually managed to get legal success in some cases doesn't mean their opinion or movement changes.

It's no secret that conservatives are agains legalizing gay marriage and Abortion, If it is actually up to them or how much success they have had is irrelevant to the point, they atill support against it.

I guess you miss the point. You can say all day long that conservatives are doing these things but, the opposite is actually happening in the real world.

If it is no secret and the left is so sure of it's ideas, then get your legislators to amend the constitution. They can't do it and you know it. That is why the left tries to bypass the laws and use other means, thereby devaluing the Constitution. You aren't going to like a country run by mob rule and tyranny.

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

You're completely missing the point. Just because conservatives haven't actually managed to get legal success in some cases doesn't mean their opinion or movement changes.

It's no secret that conservatives are agains legalizing gay marriage and Abortion, If it is actually up to them or how much success they have had is irrelevant to the point, they atill support against it.

 

I guess you miss the point. You can say all day long that conservatives are doing these things but, the opposite is actually happening in the real world.

If it is no secret and the left is so sure of it's ideas, then get your legislators to amend the constitution. They can't do it and you know it. That is why the left tries to bypass the laws and use other means, thereby devaluing the Constitution. You aren't going to like a country run by mob rule and tyranny.

 

In what world do you live in, because it definitly isn't the real world.
 

It's a well known fact that Conservatives (and the right wing in general) are trying to oppose those things I mentioned, saying that isn't true is downright false.

Go ahead and create a thread about Gay Marriage, or check out an older one. I can assure you that the vast majority of posters against it will be conservatives.

Originally posted by Gameloading

In what world do you live in, because it definitly isn't the real world.
 

It's a well known fact that Conservatives (and the right wing in general) are trying to oppose those things I mentioned, saying that isn't true is downright false.

Go ahead and create a thread about Gay Marriage, or check out an older one. I can assure you that the vast majority of posters against it will be conservatives.

 

I'm so glad I live outside your right v. left, black and white continuum.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Go ahead and create a thread about Gay Marriage, or check out an older one. I can assure you that the vast majority of posters against it will be conservatives.

 

And who is trying to change the law? 

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Gameloading

Go ahead and create a thread about Gay Marriage, or check out an older one. I can assure you that the vast majority of posters against it will be conservatives.

 

 

And who is trying to change the law? 

EXACTLY!  Libs change laws by litigation, they dare not put any of their crap to a vote because the voters don't buy that crap either... deception at it's finest.

Let's put these to a vote:

Gay marriage (p.s. conservatives just want the vote put to the people...can you handle that?)

Abortion of every kind... partial, AFTER birth, and any other kind...compartmentalize the vote so it's very clearly understood..

state sovergnty

tax increases

you libs pushed this shit on us without any ballot.....and you call christians the throat shovers

Gameloading is not responsible for libs trying to pass laws through litigation, he is a Euro.  They are trying to pass laws in the US by being very disappointed in us and calling us idiots all the time.

I think putting things to public opinion is something the founders tried to avoid.  Its very clearly shown that the opinion of the majority can often be morally wrong.  That is why we have our system implemented the way it is, so minorities have a voice and are not forced into majority lead.  Its what helps deadlock congress to prevent them from passing sweeping law changes.  Like right now there is no way congress can pass an amendment unless its a drastically needed one.

I think all those issues should be handled by the state whether by public opinion or appointed opinion.  Those social issues would be just as bad to the image of the fed as Roe V Wade.  Putting it on the States helps alot more then trying to force an entire country onto 1 belief system.