Originally posted by DeathTouch

I've read a few post today about Eve and i've posted a few posts now. What im reading confuses me, i see people post the game sucks(thats my opinion as well) and i see people flame them back and tell them it does not. i see people post that they played the whole trial time and said it was boring( again after my 6 months of play totalled over the years, i agree) some again has to flame them and tell them they are dumb, stupid wrong, are trolls, blah blah blah blah blah...

what i havent read from the ones that love this game so much is, why they love this game so much. what about killings ships is so fun?

Then you are only reading what you want to.

Anyone can easily look through the threads here and see that posts are responded to with explanations of game mechanics, suggestions for resolving posted issues and overall helpful advice. Does everyone crap on weepy Sally? Yes. That's a reaction he's earned.

If you come here and ask for help, the posters here offer it freely and extensively.

If you come here to post misinformation, lies and completely false garbage about the game, the posters here will crap all over you, especially when they've already actually tried to explain the mechanics to someone and offer them helpful advice but they blindly dismiss it.

You've already made it very clear that you have no genuine interest in information or discussion ("i dont care about the game, which also means i dont care to search for why people like it.") so I won't bother you with any further replies.

Originally posted by Arioc

Hehe this thread is exemplary of this blog topic:

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/scorpchen/042009/3640_My-opinion-is-that-you-have-no-right-to-your-opinion

 

ROFLMOA!!!

Thanks, i just read it and love it.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by DeathTouch

I've read a few post today about Eve and i've posted a few posts now. What im reading confuses me, i see people post the game sucks(thats my opinion as well) and i see people flame them back and tell them it does not. i see people post that they played the whole trial time and said it was boring( again after my 6 months of play totalled over the years, i agree) some again has to flame them and tell them they are dumb, stupid wrong, are trolls, blah blah blah blah blah...

what i havent read from the ones that love this game so much is, why they love this game so much. what about killings ships is so fun?

 

Then you are only reading what you want to.

Anyone can easily look through the threads here and see that posts are responded to with explanations of game mechanics, suggestions for resolving posted issues and overall helpful advice. Does everyone crap on weepy Sally? Yes. That's a reaction he's earned.

If you come here and ask for help, the posters here offer it freely and extensively.

If you come here to post misinformation, lies and completely false garbage about the game, the posters here will crap all over you, especially when they've already actually tried to explain the mechanics to someone and offer them helpful advice but they blindly dismiss it.

 

You've already made it very clear that you have no genuine interest in information or discussion ("i dont care about the game, which also means i dont care to search for why people like it.") so I won't bother you with any further replies.

 

I read on this post because it was up on the main page, i wasnt trolling for stuff to bitch about. I didnt read what i wanted to, i read the OP's post and the rest that followed. He didnt EARN anything but an honest post of yes i think the guests are to easy, with an "oh i just click this way point into the nav comp and set AP and wait, get there kill yada yada and set the WP and AP to go home" or no its like this because 1) there are so many freaking star systems in that game it would take you forever to find where you were going if you didnt have the nav system with WPs or 2) didnt know there was a search option for a star system on the map page.

He didnt come here looking for someone to help him, he had friends for that. he was posting an opinion that i agree with. I came here to post that i did and asked why all the hostility for a post. the only time i see hostility is if its a fanboi and they QQ more then anyone actually complaining about "the game" whatever that game maybe.

i know i read some posts that read "this game sucks" and thats it. to me they should of just stayed logged out of the forums and the game and got a life. but someone who is asking a question, even a dumb one, doesnt need to get his shit jumped by fanbois.

to your "come here and post misinformation", what misinformation? his opinion and mine match, along with so many others. that doesnt meen he needs to be flamed.

Originally posted by peanut2007uk

My mate started playing the game a few weeks ago and as a huge MMO fan i decided to see what all the fuss was about... so i got a trial and downloaded it ect only to be disapointed in the very poor game set up and how easy it was to complete missions in plenty of time... is it me or does any1 else find this very boring and drole?

All you gotta do is click the mission to set a waypoint and the ship does the rest then you pick the item up or drop it off and then head back if this is what the game is all about then it truly is one boring game for hmm how do i say this... amature MMO players.

I found the game lacking and after i completed the trial i was left baffeled as to how easy and boring the game was...if you ask me this game is very overated only thing they got right on this game is the graphics witch is questionable,

Not even the combat is hard...sigh maybe next time EVE maybe...

Sorry you didn't give EVE enough time.

Ever try a mission with a higher level than one? Did you ever attempt to train ANY skills? How about leave the newbie sector of space? Buy stuff? Get involved in politics? No? Of course it'll be boring, it's like playing WoW and just running around Stormwind for 2 weeks doing the easiest , stupidest quests you can find (I mean.. WoW is boring enough after you leave Stormwind too :P).

Please, try to pick up on the spelling a bit and less ellipsis' before you come back.

 Mines better than yours.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You guys are so condescending, it's like your a parody of yourselves at this point.  The constant insinuations that people who don't like Eve are simply less intelligent than people who do are laughable.  About every fourth post someone has to tell us how Eve is different than every other MMO, and quite frankly, we just aren't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy it.  We should all go back to WoW, and every other MMO that is a carbon copy of WoW.   All shall bow to the power of the mighty cult of Eve. 

Did I just about cover all your talking points?

 

If you want to hear Eve Online summed up perfectly in four words, click on the link in my sig.   :)

I personally offered you 20 mil isk to use in game to try some new ships fittings out because you were convinced that ISK gave people such an advantage.  You refused my offer.

I recommended that you get together with one of the talented PvPers that frequent this forum to learn some of the finer points of the game. You said that you weren't interested.
 

You stated reasons that you didn't like the game.  Many of us here tried to help you understand why we like the game.  You have never been interested in this.

The amount of time you've spent learning the game is relatively tiny. Eve is a game of years- as we've explained to you before, if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

For the 937th time: WE ACCEPT AND RESPECT THAT YOU DO NOT ENJOY EVE.

What we do not accept and respect is the fact that you keep coming back to this forum for the sole purpose of making (misinformed) negative posts about the game.  It is pretty unfair to someone that might be interested in all eve has to offer if they decide whether or not to try the game base on your sweeping judgements (which are in turn based on a few short weeks in the game).

You are making yourself look a little sad to be honest.  You have actually posted a link to an eve bashing review in your signature.. you've spent hours making eve bashing posts in this forum.. all this effort to crusade against a game that you don't like.

To the rest of us, it looks like you are trying to have your revenge on eve for something.  If I don't like a game, I just quit it and walk away.. I've quit several MMOs that I didn't like for various reasons but I didn't spend weeks camping out in those game forums bashing the games.  That's the basis of my "girlfriend" analogy above, and i think it's dead on.  You are acting like eve hurt your feelings somehow.

 We like eve because it is brutal, huge, and complicated.  I takes perserverence and a thick skin to get anywhere in the game... and many goals in the game take YEARS to accomplish.  For me this is great- because most games get boring for me after I've "solved" the big problems in the game... I've never been bored in eve because I've always got multiple long, medium, and short-term goals I'm working toward.

Right after college I spent two years living out of a car and climbing mountains pretty much full time.  Climbing, like eve, isn't for everyone.  If I took someone out and they said "hey, I like climbing except for the risk, the exposure, and being up in the mountains all the time," there really wouldn't be any intelligent response to give them except "climbing isn't for everyone."

If you don't like eve essentially for what the game is, then what is the point of your constant negative posting about it?  Are you looking for some kind of validation? What gives?

Why not try to salvage some self respect and say "hey I guess eve just isn't my thing."  I'm pretty sure our response would be "hey man, that's cool.. good luck finding something you like better."

enkindu, be my friend, stat

Originally posted by Enkindu

 if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

This is the best statement I've ever seen posted by an EvE supporter.  You cannot get more accurate than this.

I'm sure if your willing to put MONTHS or YEARS of time into getting the skills necessary to even compete effectively with the long term players 1v1, then you will enjoy this game.  Nothing else will get you close to the power of their combat abilities.

Saying a person can get into PVP early in EvE is accurate.  Saying a person can even come close to the power of a long time player quickly is simply a lie.   Anyone who has ever played this game knows this.  Saying a person can enjoy EvE early is true for a VERY small set of the population. 

So if a person is willing to invest an ENORMOUS amount of time into letting their toon learn the abilities, they "may" enjoy this game.

If waiting extremely long amounts of time and doing monotonous tasks are your cup of tea, this is definately your game.  If you have only short amounts of time to play, you may still enjoy EvE but I seriously doubt it.

Originally posted by dsebutchr

Originally posted by Enkindu

 if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

 

This is the best statement I've ever seen posted by an EvE supporter.  You cannot get more accurate than this.

I'm sure if your willing to put MONTHS or YEARS of time into getting the skills necessary to even compete effectively with the long term players 1v1, then you will enjoy this game.  Nothing else will get you close to the power of their combat abilities.

Saying a person can get into PVP early in EvE is accurate.  Saying a person can even come close to the power of a long time player quickly is simply a lie.   Anyone who has ever played this game knows this.  Saying a person can enjoy EvE early is true for a VERY small set of the population. 

So if a person is willing to invest an ENORMOUS amount of time into letting their toon learn the abilities, they "may" enjoy this game.

If waiting extremely long amounts of time and doing monotonous tasks are your cup of tea, this is definately your game.  If you have only short amounts of time to play, you may still enjoy EvE but I seriously doubt it.

Point well taken- but believe it or not all of us eve vets were once noobs.
 

I loved the process of gaining my experience and skills.. the fact that I couldn't go 1 on 1 with the most powerful players in the game never bothered me during my first couple years.. I loved the game as much back then as i do now.

The challenge of playing the game with fewer skillpoints is actually a small pleasure in itself.

Originally posted by Druz

enkindu, be my friend, stat

How may I be of service?

Originally posted by dsebutchr

Originally posted by Enkindu

 if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

 

This is the best statement I've ever seen posted by an EvE supporter.  You cannot get more accurate than this.

I'm sure if your willing to put MONTHS or YEARS of time into getting the skills necessary to even compete effectively with the long term players 1v1, then you will enjoy this game.  Nothing else will get you close to the power of their combat abilities.

Saying a person can get into PVP early in EvE is accurate.  Saying a person can even come close to the power of a long time player quickly is simply a lie.   Anyone who has ever played this game knows this.  Saying a person can enjoy EvE early is true for a VERY small set of the population. 

So if a person is willing to invest an ENORMOUS amount of time into letting their toon learn the abilities, they "may" enjoy this game.

If waiting extremely long amounts of time and doing monotonous tasks are your cup of tea, this is definately your game.  If you have only short amounts of time to play, you may still enjoy EvE but I seriously doubt it.

Enkindu, this made me laugh!  Too bad it's so sad.  But the poster here actually pays lip service to agreeing with one of your statements, only as a means of trotting out (probably) his favorite EVE misconception, that you have to train for months or even years to be effective at PvP.
 

I guess really, this is just a subtle attempt at trolling.

I won't bother answering because I am sure that this has been answered enough that anyone who is interested in the game already knows the anser by heart, God knows it's been repeated in response to posts like this one often enough.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You guys are so condescending, it's like your a parody of yourselves at this point.  The constant insinuations that people who don't like Eve are simply less intelligent than people who do are laughable.  About every fourth post someone has to tell us how Eve is different than every other MMO, and quite frankly, we just aren't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy it.  We should all go back to WoW, and every other MMO that is a carbon copy of WoW.   All shall bow to the power of the mighty cult of Eve. 

Did I just about cover all your talking points?

 

If you want to hear Eve Online summed up perfectly in four words, click on the link in my sig.   :)

look who is being condencending......

you might not be able to pvp until you have 20 million skillpoints and a pimp ship. I however can pvp with a million skillpoints and a tech 1 fitted frig. i guess im using my leet hacks?

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by cfurlin

     Originally posted by bagnol  

 

A rational response would have been "You didn't like the game, but I do and I respect your opinion ."

Hahahahahahahaha! When would ANYONE on these forums ever say something like that!

You must be new here...

 

Actually, I've seen that response frequently in the eve forum.  It's hard to respond that way, however, when people support their opinions with factually inaccurate and anecdotal evidence.

By the way that "escapist" interview in salvatoris' sig is pretty funny.  They should show that everywhere, it would help scare off the kind of people that really don't belong in eve in the first place (and hopefully reduce the number of confused whiners that post on forums like this).

NOOOO!!! I don't want them to leave! What will I use for target practice when testing new weapons? If you knew how many newbies wander out into 0.0 space with a starter frigate...its like getting candy for Halloween.

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Originally posted by DeathTouch
I've read a few post today about Eve and i've posted a few posts now. What im reading confuses me, i see people post the game sucks(thats my opinion as well) and i see people flame them back and tell them it does not. i see people post that they played the whole trial time and said it was boring( again after my 6 months of play totalled over the years, i agree) some again has to flame them and tell them they are dumb, stupid wrong, are trolls, blah blah blah blah blah...
what i havent read from the ones that love this game so much is, why they love this game so much. what about killings ships is so fun? what is it that you like so much that you have to treat others badly when they give their opinion, biased or not.
this game blows hard and thats my opinion and nothing you can say will change that. if i didnt have friends playing the game when i played, this game would have been worse then watching paint dry.

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Originally posted by DeathTouch

i see people that do not understand that playing the game requires effort and have steep learning curve

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This pretty much explains your whole issue.
The reason why EVE community might seem hostile and not accepting 'other oppinion' is that those 'oppinions' are fundamentaly wrong. You can read posts about the game sucking by someone who does not even know what rigs are and how they are used and so on... You can figure out the level of understanding the game of such posters and competency to make any valuable, objective review.

Play the game for a week or 2 years but get the clue how the game is designed and what actualy makes EVE living universe as it is, get to know all mechanics of the part of field you prefer. Then come back and say: EVE is great but I prefer mindless PVE grind or I like territory wars but POS sieges are extremely tiring and boring or I like small gang warfare but CCP killed it by last ship changes, etc.

I am very sure no one will object anything. You know the game and you know why you don't like it, fair enough.
You only make yourself to look like an idiot/troll by complaining about something you have no clue of, and you get treated like that.

To all those that didn't get it, we explained to the OP what was wrong and what he should have done to improve his experience. Anyone thinking they know how EVE works from the trail is basically deluding themselves because it does take at least a month to get thru the basic missions and understandings of certain aspects that run EVE.

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To all those that didn't get it, we explained to the OP what was wrong and what he should have done to improve his experience. Anyone thinking they know how EVE works from the trail is basically deluding themselves because it does take at least a month to get thru the basic missions and understandings of certain aspects that run EVE.

 

 

6 months? I've been playing since 2006 and I still learn something new just about every day.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You guys are so condescending, it's like your a parody of yourselves at this point.  The constant insinuations that people who don't like Eve are simply less intelligent than people who do are laughable.  About every fourth post someone has to tell us how Eve is different than every other MMO, and quite frankly, we just aren't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy it.  We should all go back to WoW, and every other MMO that is a carbon copy of WoW.   All shall bow to the power of the mighty cult of Eve. 

Did I just about cover all your talking points?

 

If you want to hear Eve Online summed up perfectly in four words, click on the link in my sig.   :)

 

I personally offered you 20 mil isk to use in game to try some new ships fittings out because you were convinced that ISK gave people such an advantage.  You refused my offer.

I recommended that you get together with one of the talented PvPers that frequent this forum to learn some of the finer points of the game. You said that you weren't interested.
 

You stated reasons that you didn't like the game.  Many of us here tried to help you understand why we like the game.  You have never been interested in this.

The amount of time you've spent learning the game is relatively tiny. Eve is a game of years- as we've explained to you before, if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

For the 937th time: WE ACCEPT AND RESPECT THAT YOU DO NOT ENJOY EVE.

What we do not accept and respect is the fact that you keep coming back to this forum for the sole purpose of making (misinformed) negative posts about the game.  It is pretty unfair to someone that might be interested in all eve has to offer if they decide whether or not to try the game base on your sweeping judgements (which are in turn based on a few short weeks in the game).

You are making yourself look a little sad to be honest.  You have actually posted a link to an eve bashing review in your signature.. you've spent hours making eve bashing posts in this forum.. all this effort to crusade against a game that you don't like.

To the rest of us, it looks like you are trying to have your revenge on eve for something.  If I don't like a game, I just quit it and walk away.. I've quit several MMOs that I didn't like for various reasons but I didn't spend weeks camping out in those game forums bashing the games.  That's the basis of my "girlfriend" analogy above, and i think it's dead on.  You are acting like eve hurt your feelings somehow.

 We like eve because it is brutal, huge, and complicated.  I takes perserverence and a thick skin to get anywhere in the game... and many goals in the game take YEARS to accomplish.  For me this is great- because most games get boring for me after I've "solved" the big problems in the game... I've never been bored in eve because I've always got multiple long, medium, and short-term goals I'm working toward.

Right after college I spent two years living out of a car and climbing mountains pretty much full time.  Climbing, like eve, isn't for everyone.  If I took someone out and they said "hey, I like climbing except for the risk, the exposure, and being up in the mountains all the time," there really wouldn't be any intelligent response to give them except "climbing isn't for everyone."

If you don't like eve essentially for what the game is, then what is the point of your constant negative posting about it?  Are you looking for some kind of validation? What gives?

Why not try to salvage some self respect and say "hey I guess eve just isn't my thing."  I'm pretty sure our response would be "hey man, that's cool.. good luck finding something you like better."

^^ SNAP!
 

Great post.

Originally posted by donmaximo

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by Salvatoris

You guys are so condescending, it's like your a parody of yourselves at this point.  The constant insinuations that people who don't like Eve are simply less intelligent than people who do are laughable.  About every fourth post someone has to tell us how Eve is different than every other MMO, and quite frankly, we just aren't intelligent or mature enough to enjoy it.  We should all go back to WoW, and every other MMO that is a carbon copy of WoW.   All shall bow to the power of the mighty cult of Eve. 

Did I just about cover all your talking points?

 

If you want to hear Eve Online summed up perfectly in four words, click on the link in my sig.   :)

 

I personally offered you 20 mil isk to use in game to try some new ships fittings out because you were convinced that ISK gave people such an advantage.  You refused my offer.

I recommended that you get together with one of the talented PvPers that frequent this forum to learn some of the finer points of the game. You said that you weren't interested.
 

You stated reasons that you didn't like the game.  Many of us here tried to help you understand why we like the game.  You have never been interested in this.

The amount of time you've spent learning the game is relatively tiny. Eve is a game of years- as we've explained to you before, if you don't enjoy the delayed gratification of very long term projects, you will probably never enjoy the game.

For the 937th time: WE ACCEPT AND RESPECT THAT YOU DO NOT ENJOY EVE.

What we do not accept and respect is the fact that you keep coming back to this forum for the sole purpose of making (misinformed) negative posts about the game.  It is pretty unfair to someone that might be interested in all eve has to offer if they decide whether or not to try the game base on your sweeping judgements (which are in turn based on a few short weeks in the game).

You are making yourself look a little sad to be honest.  You have actually posted a link to an eve bashing review in your signature.. you've spent hours making eve bashing posts in this forum.. all this effort to crusade against a game that you don't like.

To the rest of us, it looks like you are trying to have your revenge on eve for something.  If I don't like a game, I just quit it and walk away.. I've quit several MMOs that I didn't like for various reasons but I didn't spend weeks camping out in those game forums bashing the games.  That's the basis of my "girlfriend" analogy above, and i think it's dead on.  You are acting like eve hurt your feelings somehow.

 We like eve because it is brutal, huge, and complicated.  I takes perserverence and a thick skin to get anywhere in the game... and many goals in the game take YEARS to accomplish.  For me this is great- because most games get boring for me after I've "solved" the big problems in the game... I've never been bored in eve because I've always got multiple long, medium, and short-term goals I'm working toward.

Right after college I spent two years living out of a car and climbing mountains pretty much full time.  Climbing, like eve, isn't for everyone.  If I took someone out and they said "hey, I like climbing except for the risk, the exposure, and being up in the mountains all the time," there really wouldn't be any intelligent response to give them except "climbing isn't for everyone."

If you don't like eve essentially for what the game is, then what is the point of your constant negative posting about it?  Are you looking for some kind of validation? What gives?

Why not try to salvage some self respect and say "hey I guess eve just isn't my thing."  I'm pretty sure our response would be "hey man, that's cool.. good luck finding something you like better."

^^ SNAP!
 

Great post.

Salvatoris is like most gamers nowdays: he wants the game to do everything for him. It's better to sit back and pretend you are actually accomplishing something, when in reality you are doing nothing but pushing a few buttons and clicking the mouse once in a while. Most currrent MMOs are designed like this because game developers discovered the "big" secret -- that since about 2004, gamers have become pretty much stupid and lazy. EVE requires effort -- not something stupid and lazy people can handle.

Originally posted by cfurlin

Originally posted by DevilXaphan

To all those that didn't get it, we explained to the OP what was wrong and what he should have done to improve his experience. Anyone thinking they know how EVE works from the trail is basically deluding themselves because it does take at least a month to get thru the basic missions and understandings of certain aspects that run EVE.

 

 

 

6 months? I've been playing since 2006 and I still learn something new just about every day.

Every time i played EVE i find stuff i never new. Basically even vets find new stuff once and a while. That's the one thing  about EVE that brings back players and keeps those in-game playing, it's a never ending mmo.