this entire thread is a blatant troll, you are always here trolling away, you dont like eve, we understand. thanks for the input.

people who ask questions get advice, people who flame or troll get flamed. seems fair to me.

There is a difference between stating an opinion and stating as fact something based on misconception and therefore untrue.

If I were to say, "I don't like EVE because I see it as a very difficult game", that is my opinion of EVE, stated as an opinion.

OTOH, if  I were to say, "I don't like EVE because it is impossible to PvP effectively with less than 6 months of training", I am no longer stating an opinion, I am stating that something is impossible that, based on the experiences of many of us here, clearly is not the case.

Now, if evidence is presented to me that shows how PvP can be managed by someone with as little as a few days of training and I respond with something like, "Oh, I was not aware of that, thanks for clueing me in", then great, I have raised my understanding of the game and newbies and vets alike are happy.

OTOH, if I maintain that effective PvP is impossible even after repeated examples of others who have done it at a young age and say things like, "That example is clearly the exception, not the rule", or try to minimize what is presented because it's only the fanbois talking, what would you expect to happen?

This is only one example of how the vets around here might respond negatively, but the "impossible to PvP" misconception is raised A LOT, over and over, I guess sometimes even the coolest head can get a little hot with enough of this kind of input.

Originally posted by peanut2007uk

My mate started playing the game a few weeks ago and as a huge MMO fan i decided to see what all the fuss was about... so i got a trial and downloaded it ect only to be disapointed in the very poor game set up and how easy it was to complete missions in plenty of time... is it me or does any1 else find this very boring and drole?

All you gotta do is click the mission to set a waypoint and the ship does the rest then you pick the item up or drop it off and then head back if this is what the game is all about then it truly is one boring game for hmm how do i say this... amature MMO players. 

I found the game lacking and after i completed the trial i was left baffeled as to how easy and boring the game was...if you ask me this game is very overated only thing they got right on this game is the graphics witch is questionable,

Not even the combat is hard...sigh maybe next time EVE maybe...

I had to think for a bit about how to respond to this horrible post. The opinions contained therin are so completely uninformed I cannot possibly imagine what purpose this post could possibly serve other than trolling. Anyone who has invested any amount of ACTUAL effort into playing EvE (even for the trial alone) would look at this drivel and call it lacking.
 

For those who argued that the OP's opinions should be respected: Such a post might read something like " I don't really understand this game - I've tried the trial and found this game really, really boring. The missions were so simple. Can someone tell me what all of the fuss is about, as I feel I'm missing something?". That is an opinion. Further, it's a constructive post that asks for help to better experience the game and make an informed opinion for oneself.

The OP's post presents a terribly limited view as fact. This is evidenced by the OP making no attempt to ask for guidance or clarification from long-time players. What this type of post ultimately results in is spreading misinformation about a game to potentially new players. Now hopefully, any player worth their salt would investigate the game on their own and be delighted to find the OP is completely wrong. However, this doesn't negate the OP's terrible post or the fact that such misguiding posts should not, in my opinion, be afforded any sympathy.

If you want to come onto a game's forums and flame said game, based soley on a shakey and half-hearted attempt to play the game - expect exactly what this person recieved.

Originally posted by peanut2007uk

My mate started playing the game a few weeks ago and as a huge MMO fan i decided to see what all the fuss was about... so i got a trial and downloaded it ect only to be disapointed in the very poor game set up and how easy it was to complete missions in plenty of time... is it me or does any1 else find this very boring and drole?

All you gotta do is click the mission to set a waypoint and the ship does the rest then you pick the item up or drop it off and then head back if this is what the game is all about then it truly is one boring game for hmm how do i say this... amature MMO players.

I found the game lacking and after i completed the trial i was left baffeled as to how easy and boring the game was...if you ask me this game is very overated only thing they got right on this game is the graphics witch is questionable,

Not even the combat is hard...sigh maybe next time EVE maybe...

The OP does not really get the game at all. Starting off doing some level 1 and 2 missions are pretty easy but they get harder with some of the combat missions as well as when you progress up to level 5 missions. The OP negelcted to oped the rookie channel for any help with questions and stating that the game was boring because of a few easy missions is not gonna cut it.

I have seen many casual gamers in EVE though out high sec and low sec and some even venture out into 0.0 space. The OP never figure out what he wanted to do or accomplish in the game. Any one venturing to play EVE should take the trail as a learning tool and not actual game play. It still takes a couple more days to figure out what you want from EVE and how to plan you getting there be it solo or joining a corporation.

Eve community at its best behavior again. Good job guys.

I have been playing eve for 4 years now and i have seen many come and go. People either love it or hate it, and we have to accept the reality that not everyone is going to fall head over heels for our beloved game.

Insulting someone for giving his opinion no matter how shitty it was just reflects a bad side of eve community. You don't have to prove it though, everyone knows the elitist jerks in game, you guys should avoid using forums and keep the bad attitude in game where it belongs.

I apologize to OP and hope new players will understand that not everyone in game is such a jerk.

Peace.

indeed this game is just boring, even when you are in a corporation... forced skill training times and screensaver gameplay.. nope thanks! haha.

Salvatoris-

Look at your own post history on mmorpg.com.

Seriously, go ahead and do it now.

The majority of the posts you make in this game are negative posts in the Eve forum.  In all honesty, I have to ask you why do you spend so much of your time posting material about a game that you claim to dislike so much?

We respect your right to not like Eve, but many of us here do like the game (warts and all).  And many of the veterans here. myself included, seem to agree that your criticisms of the game are basically a result of the lack of your own understanding/ experience in the game coupled with the fact that you SIMPLY DON'T LIKE IT.

Yet you continue to post over and over again... in every thread you must give your 0.02 (here's a hint: most of us have memorized what you are going to say anyway so you could just type "the usual" when you post in the eve forum and we'll all understand).

Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.

You don't like eve. We get it. We respect your opinion. 

Now get on with your life.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.

Hehehe

Originally posted by Redon1973

Originally posted by Enkindu

Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.

 

Hehehe

If you have the attention span of a retarded 5 year old... No, you shouldnt play EVE. At all. Ever.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.

You don't like eve. We get it. We respect your opinion. 

Now get on with your life.

well said.

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Originally posted by Enkindu

Salvatoris-
Look at your own post history on mmorpg.com.
Seriously, go ahead and do it now.
The majority of the posts you make in this game are negative posts in the Eve forum.  In all honesty, I have to ask you why do you spend so much of your time posting material about a game that you claim to dislike so much?
We respect your right to not like Eve, but many of us here do like the game (warts and all).  And many of the veterans here. myself included, seem to agree that your criticisms of the game are basically a result of the lack of your own understanding/ experience in the game coupled with the fact that you SIMPLY DON'T LIKE IT.
Yet you continue to post over and over again... in every thread you must give your 0.02 (here's a hint: most of us have memorized what you are going to say anyway so you could just type "the usual" when you post in the eve forum and we'll all understand).
Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.
You don't like eve. We get it. We respect your opinion. 
Now get on with your life.

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The majority of posts I make about Eve are negative. That much is true. Of course, that's about 20-30 posts out of a thousand that I have made on these forums. I didn't post in the Eve forums before last month. I purchased the game less than a month ago and I am a current subscriber.... for a few more weeks anyway, although i doubt I will log in again in that time.

As far as the rest of your post goes, responding to criticisms about the game with personal attacks. At least you guys are consistent. I understand it's got to be frustrating to see an endless wave of trial players say how bad the game is, but don't play innocent here. If someone has anything negative to say about Eve, you guys respond by telling them how stupid and whiney they are.

Is it just me that hears the voice of the Charlie Brown teacher when they read this guys posts at this point ?

an endless wave of trial players... subscribing and staying.

of course there are a few who post threads like "there arent enough roids in my bit of highsec" or "this game is too hard" or "this game is dull" and they are generally wished well and sent on their way. if they ask for advice they always get it, if they flame and piss and moan, then they get shunned. and rightfully so.

you do not like eve. we understand this. thank you for your input, we understand why you do not like eve, but we disagree. ive said this before and ill say it again, have fun in your next game, good bye. o/

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Is it just me that hears the voice of the Charlie Brown teacher when they read this guys posts at this point ?

Yes, that describes the sound in my head rather perfectly!  Thanks for pointing this out! 

Eve is a sandbox game, one of the few currently available to play. 

The OP says the game is boring because the missions are easy/boring to complete. Whereas in other MMOs the main source of activity in the game is Questing and dungeon/raid running, in Eve you have a choice of things to do on your own intiative.  Examples of some of the things you may or can do in Eve are as follows:

1.Exploration

2.Minining (boring for me but some players like it)

3. Manufacturing & Trading- The economy in Eve is totally player run, trading here is not limited to putting things on the market, buying cheap selling more expensive. You can corner the market in a particular region, you can aggressively do this in a varity of ways.

4. Priacy

5. Bounty hunting

6. Alliance and factional warfare.

These are the professions i can recall off the top of my head. These professions don't jump out at you when you play the game. you have to pro-actively engage in them yourself.

It is a slow boiling game and you have to make of it what you want. It won't lead you anywhere, that is what sandboxing is all about.

Originally posted by bagnol

Regardless of reasons or experience, it's nobody's right to say the OP is wrong about their opinion.They might not have based it off much but they played enough to decide they didn't like it and you shouldn't tell them they're stupid etc. for doing so.

Why not. People should not come to conclusions based on 1% of available data then go off trolling forums with their half-baked opinion. It's just spam and a waste of everybodys time and bandwidth.

How long should you have to play a game before you are allowed to post your opinion of it?  If the opinion you want to post is specifically about how the game is for new players, you don't have to play very long for that opinion to be credible.  I wish I would have seen more honest reviews from new players and less fanboyism from the same 6 guys here before I wasted my time and money on this game. 

you didnt have to spend a penny on it. If after 21 days you didnt like it....that should have been your answer right there.

If you wanted to try another starting race or skill set, well just grab another 21 day trial....you dont even need a different email.

Sorry but if you wasted money after 3 weeks and couldnt decide....thats noone's fault but your own. Took me 3 trials before i got completely hooked.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

 

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Originally posted by Enkindu

 

Salvatoris-
Look at your own post history on mmorpg.com.
Seriously, go ahead and do it now.
The majority of the posts you make in this game are negative posts in the Eve forum.  In all honesty, I have to ask you why do you spend so much of your time posting material about a game that you claim to dislike so much?
We respect your right to not like Eve, but many of us here do like the game (warts and all).  And many of the veterans here. myself included, seem to agree that your criticisms of the game are basically a result of the lack of your own understanding/ experience in the game coupled with the fact that you SIMPLY DON'T LIKE IT.
Yet you continue to post over and over again... in every thread you must give your 0.02 (here's a hint: most of us have memorized what you are going to say anyway so you could just type "the usual" when you post in the eve forum and we'll all understand).
Bottom line is you are acting like a guy that has been dumped by his girlfriend and who is now stalking her and saying bad things about her to anyone that will listen.
You don't like eve. We get it. We respect your opinion. 
Now get on with your life.

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The majority of posts I make about Eve are negative. That much is true. Of course, that's about 20-30 posts out of a thousand that I have made on these forums. I didn't post in the Eve forums before last month. I purchased the game less than a month ago and I am a current subscriber.... for a few more weeks anyway, although i doubt I will log in again in that time.

As far as the rest of your post goes, responding to criticisms about the game with personal attacks. At least you guys are consistent. I understand it's got to be frustrating to see an endless wave of trial players say how bad the game is, but don't play innocent here. If someone has anything negative to say about Eve, you guys respond by telling them how stupid and whiney they are.

you state you are being fair an objective.....and that only 6 fanbois continue to post here in favor of EVE...so then if it sucks so bad..why does it grow daily? and i can spin it around as well.....why is it the same handful of people continually bashing the game? how many other games can you say after 5 years has more subs now then when it started, other than WoW?

Obiously the game does something right to continue to grow....it may not be for everyone, but it's getting better and better and has a ton of subs that continue to rise for a small company which started out.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

I wish I would have seen more honest reviews from new players and less fanboyism from the same 6 guys here before I wasted my time and money on this game. 

Yeah, me too.

We constantly say "EvE is not for everyone, EvE is hard and will not hold your hand, you need to be prepared to throw your weight around to progress". More importantly, those words, or a variant on them appear somewhere near the top of every EvE review I have ever read.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

How long should you have to play a game before you are allowed to post your opinion of it?  If the opinion you want to post is specifically about how the game is for new players, you don't have to play very long for that opinion to be credible.  I wish I would have seen more honest reviews from new players and less fanboyism from the same 6 guys here before I wasted my time and money on this game. 

I think the problem here is that the OP does a disservice by writing a completely uninformed post. Say I was reviewing a book about the history of China and wrote something like:

"This book was way too long. It should have been only 12 pages because it's so boring. Also, there weren't enough cartoons in it, only words. On top of all of that, there's chinese art work on the cover that I don't think looks very good."

Is this usefull information? No. Does it show a complete lack of effort to understand the subject? Yes. Is it a personal opinion? Of course - but that doesn't in-and-of-itself lend it any value. The OP doesn't ask for any clarification, help, or advice - as such, this post is a flame. It's someone coming onto the forums of another game with an obvious lack of desire to learn anything about said game and blasting it.

If I took a trip over to the CoX forums and wrote: "This game sucks! What a horrible game. It's all about superheroes who run "missions" not quests and they don't even have any open-world PvP! There's not even any Nightelf Hunters! Just horrible, stay away." What do you think the response would be? Sure it's my opinion - but it's not a very intelligent or well informed one.

He certainly should have expected what he recieved from the community with a post like that.

Originally posted by miagisan

you didnt have to spend a penny on it. If after 21 days you didnt like it....that should have been your answer right there.

If you wanted to try another starting race or skill set, well just grab another 21 day trial....you dont even need a different email.

 

Sorry but if you wasted money after 3 weeks and couldnt decide....thats noone's fault but your own. Took me 3 trials before i got completely hooked.

I don't get what you are trying to say in that last line.  The second sentence seems to contradict the first.  :/

I purchased the game early in the trial, because a lot of stuff is not allowed in a trial account.  I couldn't use several of the skill books I got for finishing the tutorial quests.  I even got a ship I couldn't use a reward at the end of one tutorial chain.  I wanted to try the whole game, not just parts of it.  I really was hoping to enjoy it.  I did the trial a long time ago and only played it a few hours.

The game does have some things about I like.  I agree that they are doing something right, just not everything.   It's just a fact that a lot of people who do the trial find the game to be boring, cryptic, harsh or unrewarding.  You don't have to agree with any of those things to admit that you hear those complaints a lot.  It's just silly for you guys to sit around here and try to invalidate other peoples perceptions all day. 

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by miagisan

you didnt have to spend a penny on it. If after 21 days you didnt like it....that should have been your answer right there.

If you wanted to try another starting race or skill set, well just grab another 21 day trial....you dont even need a different email.

 

Sorry but if you wasted money after 3 weeks and couldnt decide....thats noone's fault but your own. Took me 3 trials before i got completely hooked.

 

I don't get what you are trying to say in that last line.  The second sentence seems to contradict the first.  :/

I purchased the game early in the trial, because a lot of stuff is not allowed in a trial account.  I couldn't use several of the skill books I got for finishing the tutorial quests.  I even got a ship I couldn't use a reward at the end of one tutorial chain.  I wanted to try the whole game, not just parts of it.  I really was hoping to enjoy it.  I did the trial a long time ago and only played it a few hours.

The game does have some things about I like.  I agree that they are doing something right, just not everything.   It's just a fact that a lot of people who do the trial find the game to be boring, cryptic, harsh or unrewarding.  You don't have to agree with any of those things to admit that you hear those complaints a lot.  It's just silly for you guys to sit around here and try to invalidate other peoples perceptions all day. 

it doesn't contradict because the 3 times i took the trial were after every expansion, so about a year apart. I kept wanting to like it so i trialed it, took a year off, trialed, year off, trial and loved it.

And you attempt to invalidate other people's opinions all day long as well, no where did i say you couldn't like it, and i can see how it is boring if you aren't with a good group of people who have the same playstyle, but i do try to clear up alot of fallacies spread around by people. AND I don't make an effort of trying to persuade others either. Just expressing my in game experience and opinions.

And i never spent a penny on the trials...in fact i havent spent a penny on this account for over 4 months, and i still have 7 months left of free play, because 11 people whom i given trials too have kept playing.

Originally posted by Xennith

try double clicking in space.

yes because we all love korean MMOs. click click clickity click.