Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

I never said you were smart. :D 

 

Seriously tho, this is a pointless discussion. Neither of us can prove anything. If the mods figured that you made alt accounts and if you can't prove it to them that you didn't, then that's that.

Just because somebody said they loved me because they agreed with my post, I get banned for life. Thats just messed up.

But whats more disturbing is the favoritism shown to Lachrymose. And whats also disturbing is that StJudas locks half the threads in the forum.

That whole forum is disturbing. It makes me have a lot less hope for this game.

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

And now you are suggesting that suddenly 4 days after you made that thread some random person came along, gave Lachry negative rep for the very same post and then went through the trouble of creating 2 more forum accounts in order to give him even more negative rep for some random posts? And that someone just happened to be so effectionate towards you to leave "<3 GHOUL" as a comment?

 

 

No, it looks like 2 or 3 seperate people made those other posts.. The sad part is that the other people didn't even give him negative rep. If you look at the picture, the squares on the left side are gray. That means neutral rep I believe. The square to the left of mine is red, meaning I gave him negative rep.

Thats just more proof that the other posts weren't mine. If I had created alt accounts to give him negative rep, I would have actually given him negative rep, not neutral rep. So that proves that those other posts weren't mine.

2 or 3 seperate people gave him negative rep for the same old posts in the time frame of 4 minutes? Doesn't sound very likely to me.

 

As for the picture being gray, that means that the person who gave rep has no rep power and thus can't effect your rep. If you read the comments behind the rep's then it's pretty clear they are negative. Clearly the person who gave that rep had just signed up on the forums (you have 0 rep power when you first sign up), which further indicates that the accounts were made simply for the reason to give negative rep.

 

Seems to me like you are grasping at straws here. That is of course my own personal opinion.

 

Edit:

onlinenow225, read the thread before going on a posting rampage. His ban was not due to the thread he made, but due to the fact that he made multiple forum accounts to give negative rep to people. He of course denies this. Who is right or wrong on this matter is left for the mods to decide. They decided that he indeed did make multiple forum accounts and thus banned him, since it's against the rules.

Wrong from what hes saying the whats her face made them belive this.  Ghoul31 and Ghoul are different people.  If Ghoul is not banned but Ghoul31 or w/ever his name is is then how does that support that he made multiple accounts?

And my posts are still valid.  If they can not deal with customers that word things wrong, or are negative then they have no business dealing with the public.

If you have ever worked in something as simple as a groccery store you will learn the basics of customer service and what needs to be done to satisfy customers.

Because the noisy customer is the customer who cares, and if there are serveral nosiy and complaining customers, well you can bet theres at least 5 or 6 to each complaining customer that will just up and leave for ever with out saying a word.

Originally posted by ghoul31 

Just because somebody said they loved me because they agreed with my post, I get banned for life. Thats just messed up.

But whats more disturbing is the favoritism shown to Lachrymose. And whats also disturbing is that StJudas locks half the threads in the forum.

That whole forum is disturbing. It makes me have a lot less hope for this game.

You did not get banned because someone said they agree with your post, you got banned because the mods believe you created multiple forum acconts to give negative rep to people. If this is true or not is not up for me or you to decide, it's up to the mods.

And again with the favoritism. If someone else had reported the same thing to the mods you can bet your ass they would have done the same thing. Furthermore, Lachrymose has been on the forums for a long time (longer than many of the new mods) and has been very active and has a huge amount of good constructive posts under his belt. It's common sense that they would take his word over someone who came to the forums and made an inflamatory and uneducated thread, like you did.

I'm not saying the mods on the MO forums are perfect, I don't like that they are too eager to lock threads either. Half a year ago when someone came to the forums and made a provocative post bashing the game, the community members (including the devs) replied to the thread and proved to OP wrong with facts and good arguments. These days, we don't have the chance to do so, since the threads just get locked too quickly.

Lastly, I don't see how the moderation of pre-launch forums will make the game any worse or any better. Saying that you loose hope for a game because you don't like how the mods behave is just silly. It's not like the forum mods will be GM's in the game.

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

I'm not saying the mods on the MO forums are perfect, I don't like that they are too eager to lock threads either. Half a year ago when someone came to the forums and made a provocative post bashing the game, the community members (including the devs) replied to the thread and proved to OP wrong with facts and good arguments. These days, we don't have the chance to do so, since the threads just get locked too quickly.

 

Lastly, I don't see how the moderation of pre-launch forums will make the game any worse or any better. Saying that you loose hope for a game because you don't like how the mods behave is just silly. It's not like the forum mods will be GM's in the game.

 Creating and running a MMORPG is a whole lot harder than running a forum. If they can't even run a forum correctly, how are they going to run a MMORPG correctly?
 

Originally posted by ghoul31

 Creating and running a MMORPG is a whole lot harder than running a forum. If they can't even run a forum correctly, how are they going to run a MMORPG correctly?

I think they are running their forum well enough. Just because you have a bad experience with them does not mean everyone else have as well. Anyway, I think I'm gonna try and step away from this thread, cause it's really not going anywhere.

If you had really wanted to get unbanned you could have simply joined IRC and talked to one of the mods, given them your side of the story and if it checked out you would have had your ban lifted. You on the other hand thought it wise to go and whine about it on some other forum, which to me seems very childish.

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

I think they are running their forum well enough. .

You just said that you don't like the way they are constantly locking threads. And now you are saying they are running their forum well. You are totally contradicting yourself

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

I'm not saying the mods on the MO forums are perfect, I don't like that they are too eager to lock threads either. Half a year ago when someone came to the forums and made a provocative post bashing the game, the community members (including the devs) replied to the thread and proved to OP wrong with facts and good arguments. These days, we don't have the chance to do so, since the threads just get locked too quickly.

 

Lastly, I don't see how the moderation of pre-launch forums will make the game any worse or any better. Saying that you loose hope for a game because you don't like how the mods behave is just silly. It's not like the forum mods will be GM's in the game.

 Creating and running a MMORPG is a whole lot harder than running a forum. If they can't even run a forum correctly, how are they going to run a MMORPG correctly?
 

They are running the forum perfectly fine, stop being so dramatic.

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Originally posted by Ruyn
Darkfall is not a failure.

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And neither is the sims online, please...

Originally posted by toxzik

Originally posted by ghoul31

 Creating and running a MMORPG is a whole lot harder than running a forum. If they can't even run a forum correctly, how are they going to run a MMORPG correctly?
 

They are running the forum perfectly fine, stop being so dramatic.

If they were running the forum well, they wouldn't be locking half the posts

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by toxzik

Originally posted by ghoul31

 Creating and running a MMORPG is a whole lot harder than running a forum. If they can't even run a forum correctly, how are they going to run a MMORPG correctly?
 

They are running the forum perfectly fine, stop being so dramatic.

 

If they were running the forum well, they wouldn't be locking half the posts

 

Because half of the threads topics have already been discussed 1-10 pages back? I've been following the MO forums almost everyday since June last year, and the reason they have to lock em is because new users that registrated when the beta signups became avaliable keep asking questions that have already been answered and starting discussions threads about subjects that have been discussed to death.

I know they made you sad, but come on.. the mortal online forums are better than most pre-release forums i can think of and i've been on many thru the years.

Chill, wait for the game or wait for player made reviews/videos. Forget about the forum if it sucks so much.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

I think they are running their forum well enough. .

You just said that you don't like the way they are constantly locking threads. And now you are saying they are running their forum well. You are totally contradicting yourself

Which is why I said "well enough". If I had said they are running the forums perfectly, then I would have been contradicting myself. Just because I disagree with some of decisions of the mods doesn't mean I'm gonna be all dramatic like you and claim that the game will not succeed, because the pre-launch forums are not perfect.

Its sort of eerie how people defend the poor MO forums almost the same way that DF fans did.  The parallels between these two games development is quite amazing, as are the apologies.

Perhaps its just common characteristics of games made by indy developers and their lack of funding, but you hear the same excuses.

As a company selling a product they do have the responsibility to answer questions if they want customers. If they are using their business and product under the guidelines of preferred membership then no they don't. Seeing how MO is a public and non-preferred service and do not answer the question and instead go to read up about it. It causes me to believe there is terrible customer service. This is assuming the events happened as described by the op. Even when dealing with a possible abusive member it should have been answered to acceptable business-like standards. If this was answered with links and a less negative attitude it would have at least met the criteria for being marginally professional. I think it’s very sad how this was handled and it reeks of unprofessionalism I think companies have to draw a certain line where they maintain professionalism but still interact comfortably with their chosen audience.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

Apparently you offended StJudas as you can see in the very last post before the lock.  That's why you were banned.  Honestly though, put yourself in his position.  Pretend that you've been working on a game or even something else just as big for what?  Years?  Now picture someone else posts on your forums bashing the game.  I mean it's like you're expecting the game to fail and you want people to see it that way.  I'm pretty sure I'd have done the same thing to be honest.  My game, my forums, my rules.

What you fail to realise though is that this game is going to be amazing.  You can see it in the concepts, in the graphics, and in what's promised to come.  If they pull through, I have no doubt in my mind MO will be the only game I'll be playing for a while.

By the way, can't you just make a new user on the forums or did they IP block you?

"If they pull through,"...  If they pull through they will have earned some respect.  Till now they have, in my opinion, earned negative respect for the way they handled the OP's post.  Banning him, being snotty - see last post by the Mod, and then closing the thread.  I don't see much maturity in that.  Please note I thought the op's post to be a troll - he was looking for trouble and got it, however one would think that the Mod's of a game would have a thicker skin than what they showed.  Every new game gets flack, if they cannot take it now pre-launch how responsive will they be to the player base for complaints after launch?  Will they ban your account for making suggestions?   I think the actual question posed is legitimate and should be asked by every small company trying to make a MMO - of themselves - should we try this? Can we pull it off?  The market has a lot of poor games on it, or rather games that appeal to only a small portion of the player base - should we risk adding to that?

The reason I think the Op's post was a troll was the way it was worded - he basically "bearded the lion in it's den", never a wise move.  Just my opinion.

 lol, i can't believe this thread is still going. 

and just to prove that ghoul is outright lying, he said that the first negative rep (the red one) was his. that can't be true since as he's made so apparent, his account only has 2 posts. someone with two posts cannot give negative reputation on the MO forums (they appear grey, which is even more hilarious since all his attempts to negative rep me and anyone else didn't even work), so it therefore can't be his. my guess is he did this first one from his main account, and ghoul was just one of his several alts with 0 rep power.. the mods don't ban someone without proof, so if you were banned, it's because they proved that you had multiple accounts (which can be easily proven, i might add, since they can check the IPs of the accounts).

but keep trying to convince people you were somehow mistreated.. personally i find this hilarious.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Darkfall is not a failure.

Not yet...... give it a few more months of neglect. AV doesnt work fast enough, as evident by their over 7 years of development. You know, after 7 years, youd think the game would have more content for the release.....

Oh well, anyway, back on topic....

I believe the OPs observation was apt and that the MO forums are run by control freaks who cant stand hearing any form of criticizims about their game, even if they are omens of the future.

My prediction for MO..... failure.

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

 lol, i can't believe this thread is still going. 

 

and just to prove that ghoul is outright lying, he said that the first negative rep (the red one) was his. that can't be true since as he's made so apparent, his account only has 2 posts. someone with two posts cannot give negative reputation on the MO forums (they appear grey, which is even more hilarious since all his attempts to negative rep me and anyone else didn't even work), so it therefore can't be his. my guess is he did this first one from his main account, and ghoul was just one of his several alts with 0 rep power.. the mods don't ban someone without proof, so if you were banned, it's because they proved that you had multiple accounts (which can be easily proven, i might add, since they can check the IPs of the accounts).

 

but keep trying to convince people you were somehow mistreated.. personally i find this hilarious.

its really sad that you are so paranoid that every time someone gives you negative rep, you think its me. You think I have some vendetta against you so I make tons of accounts because I am out to get you. Dude, you are not  that important. Get over yourself already.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

 lol, i can't believe this thread is still going. 

 

and just to prove that ghoul is outright lying, he said that the first negative rep (the red one) was his. that can't be true since as he's made so apparent, his account only has 2 posts. someone with two posts cannot give negative reputation on the MO forums (they appear grey, which is even more hilarious since all his attempts to negative rep me and anyone else didn't even work), so it therefore can't be his. my guess is he did this first one from his main account, and ghoul was just one of his several alts with 0 rep power.. the mods don't ban someone without proof, so if you were banned, it's because they proved that you had multiple accounts (which can be easily proven, i might add, since they can check the IPs of the accounts).

 

but keep trying to convince people you were somehow mistreated.. personally i find this hilarious.

 

its really sad that you are so paranoid that every time someone gives you negative rep, you think its me. You think I have some vendetta against you so I make tons of accounts because I am out to get you. Dude, you are not  that important. Get over yourself already.

 

oh don't worry, i know there's plenty of other people out there that don't like me.. so it's not just you. it doesn't change the fact that you either a) have no idea what you're talking about, or b) are just flat out lying for some reason (i'm gonna have to go with b). you get banned from the forums for doing something you know you weren't supposed to do, then you come on here and cry about it, i suppose hoping people will hate MO because of it. not only that, but there are people here dumb enough to actually believe you... that's pure entertainment right there. also, it seems you ignored the fact that i just proved you were lying earlier. although i guess that's to be expected since it's hard to argue against something that's obviously true. good luck lying your way out of that one, i'm really curious to see what you come up with.

oh, and thanks again for all the lulz. <3

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

oh don't worry, i know there's plenty of other people out there that don't like me.. so it's not just you.

I had my account for a while, but I never posted before. You must build up rep over time. I signed my name and everything so it would be clear exactly who was giving you negative rep.

And you are the one who is crying. People give you negative rep and you think there is a big conspiracy against you. You have some serious issues.

 And if there are plenty of people that don't like you, maybe you should start acting better.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

oh don't worry, i know there's plenty of other people out there that don't like me.. so it's not just you.

 

I had my account for a while, but I never posted before. You must build up rep over time. I signed my name and everything so it would be clear exactly who was giving you negative rep. 

lol. that's not how it works, but nice try. it's physically impossible for you to give negative rep if you have less than 10 posts, no matter how long your account has been around. but i guess i'll let you continue your little rant.. some people might still believe you and stay away from the MO forums, which seems to be your goal. when MO does come out though, if star vault delivers a great game, i doubt your getting banned from the forums will prevent anyone from playing it. either way, i won't be losing any sleep over it, and i suggest you don't either. you got banned. life sucks. next time follow the rules and it won't happen. i'll likely be seeing you in MO if it turns out to be good, and if you still hate me then (for whatever reason), you can take it out on me in game, since doing it on the forums obviously hasn't gone too well for you so far. :\

i'm still confused why you seem to hate MO so much, but i guess i'll just never understand the mind of a vapor troll. 

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

 i'll likely be seeing you in MO if it turns out to be good, and if you still hate me then (for whatever reason), you can take it out on me in game,

i'm still confused why you seem to hate MO so much, but i guess i'll just never understand the mind of a vapor troll. 

 

Thats the thing, I don't hate you. You are just so paranoid and insecure that you think everyone hates you. You think everyone makes lots of accounts to give you bad rep because they hate you so much.

Its all right man, There is no giant conspiracy of people out to get you. Chill out

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

 i'll likely be seeing you in MO if it turns out to be good, and if you still hate me then (for whatever reason), you can take it out on me in game,

i'm still confused why you seem to hate MO so much, but i guess i'll just never understand the mind of a vapor troll. 

 

 

Thats the thing, I don't hate you. You are just so paranoid and insecure that you think everyone hates you. You think everyone makes lots of accounts to give you bad rep because they hate you so much.

Its all right man, There is no giant conspiracy of people out to get you. Chill out

 

haha, ok, ok. i give up. you know the truth, i know the truth.. so it's silly for me to try to explain to you what you already know. i'm still waiting for you to talk your way out of that lie of yours, but i honestly don't see any way you can at this point. anyone with half a brain will be able to put two and two together, and the fact that you lied once should be a sign to them that you're apt to lie about other things as well (for instance, say... the reason you really got banned from the forums). why you would lie about something so silly is beyond me.. but i guess it's a big deal to you, so i'll leave you alone to continue your anti-MO campaign.

we'll see what happens with MO comes out, and hopefully it will be a good game. if it is, i hope your getting booted from the forums (for a legitimate reason i might add) won't prevent you from playing it.. :(

Originally posted by lachrymoseQQ

haha, ok, ok. i give up. you know the truth, i know the truth.. so it's silly for me to try to explain to you what you already know. i'm still waiting for you to talk your way out of that lie of yours, but i honestly don't see any way you can at this point. anyone with half a brain will be able to put two and two together, and the fact that you lied once should be a sign to them that you're apt to lie about other things as well (for instance, say... the reason you really got banned from the forums). why you would lie about something so silly is beyond me.. but i guess it's a big deal to you, so i'll leave you alone to continue your anti-MO campaign.

 

we'll see what happens with MO comes out, and hopefully it will be a good game. if it is, i hope your getting booted from the forums (for a legitimate reason i might add) won't prevent you from playing it.. :(

Anyone with half a brain n see that I didn't make that other post that said GTFO and <3. My posts are all well thought out respectful, and I have never used things like that in the 5 years I have been posting on this forum. I'm sorry you can't see something that is so obvious.

Originally posted by ghoul31 

Anyone with half a brain n see that I didn't make that other post that said GTFO and <3. My posts are all well thought out respectful, and I have never used things like that in the 5 years I have been posting on this forum. I'm sorry you can't see something that is so obvious. 

So how is avoiding the fact that you lied about giving the first negative rep from your banned account going? You know, the account that had only 2 posts and thus had 0 rep power, but somehow you were magically still able to give negative rep with it.

Maybe the reason you don't have posts like "GTFO" and "<3", because you make such posts from your alt accounts. I wonder how many alts you have here on these forums. I also wonder how many of those you have used to pat yourself on the back in this thread.

Carry on, I'm sure we're all eager to see your next excuses and lies.

Originally posted by L1ghtsabeR

Originally posted by ghoul31 

Anyone with half a brain n see that I didn't make that other post that said GTFO and <3. My posts are all well thought out respectful, and I have never used things like that in the 5 years I have been posting on this forum. I'm sorry you can't see something that is so obvious. 

 

Maybe the reason you don't have posts like "GTFO" and "<3", because you make such posts from your alt accounts. I wonder how many alts you have here on these forums. I also wonder how many of those you have used to pat yourself on the back in this thread.

you know, i was thinking the same thing.. in fact, i'd say there's a very good chance ghoul's got a horde of alts on these forums. he definitely seems like the type of guy that would create multiple accounts to dehype promising looking MMOs (ex: Mortal Online) off the front page for one reason or another. maybe he's just a bitter gamer that thought AoC was going to revolutionize the industry, or maybe just an angry WoW fanboi that wants to see all other games fail.. guess we'll never know since getting a straight answer out of him seems next to impossible. ;)