Petition to end WAR?  That's ridiculous to me.  All games can't be all things to all people.  And no all games don't deliver everything they claim.  That applies to most things.  It's called reality!  ;-)

I've been playing WAR since open Beta and have been very satisfied with it.  Not everyone likes it but that's ok!  There's a healthy enough pop where I don't see it going anywhre for a while petition or not.

---

Originally posted by Ogrelin
WAR will be around for a long time imho.

The beta starts in Korea tomorrow ffs! does that look like a game about to close down?

---

If you are somehow suggesting Korea is Warhammer's saviour, I think you are giving people false hope here.

Warhammer's type of genre's artstyle isn't very popular on that side of the world (gritty, dirty type of artistic models). They go for the cleaner, anime artstyle just like most NA people do not like their preferred artstyle like FFXI, Lineage, Aion, Rappelz, etc. WoW is popular there because of the very thing many haters complain about here: it's too "cartoony" and "animeish" to suit their eye. Many Asian gamers love that type of world. When they see the ugly, Westernized human models in the game, they will pretty much reject it more often than not. Warhammer is a bland, uninspired world artistically especially given the amount of frames it uses compared to WoW. I would'nt be surprised if they burned the game outright because the models are "too Western looking". Nothing like a handlebar moustache on a homeless looking, one-eyed guy wearing rags to make you want to play it.. mmmm. Yeah, they'll love this game's artwork.

WoW is about the only NA style game making inroads over there and if they are already playing WoW, so why would they play a game that will undoubtedly remind many of them of WoW in the first place? You have to figure they will realize the gaming style is like one big treadmill for the most part BUT with no shineys at the end for them. No one does treadmills like WoW, and no one likes their shineys more than Far Eastern players. Just look at how many types of mounts you can get in a typical Korea MMO, or hairstyles, or costumes, or weapon styles (carrot, fish and other strange weapons).

Unless WAR turns into the equilavent of a F2P over there (which it probably won't do) with cash shops and such things, I don't see much promise for this game there where subscriptions run on a totally different model. Asian players love trinkets and items and fluffy mounts and emotes in their game. There is not even a /dance emote in WAR among other things they are used to doing to pass time, because "dancing isn't allowed in Warhammer", lol. Smart move for the Asian market.. not.

If you look at a game like Aion and see the tons of emotes and character animations players can do in there, that gives you an idea of the kind of things Asian gamers prefer. Western players like fart jokes. Now you and I might not care for all that fluff, but the Asian market has proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that is their thing when it comes to games. A huge part of their gaming is the social, community aspect. In WAR, there is little of that. I expect the numbers in Asia to do far worse than EU or NA. I believe based on what Warhammer has shown the Western world, I expect this game to be about as popular in Asia as a ham and shrimp sandwich covered with pork sauce at a bar mitzvah.

Second, this is the same thing people said about the Russian opening. "Woot, WAR opened in Russia. Does that look like a game about to close down?" Based on how it has done since, yeah, it does.

I agree that it will be around for awhile, but not just in the potency and numbers loyalists are suggesting. Look for final numbers after Q2 to be around 135-150K if that.

Been playing WAR since beta and I still enjoy playing it, so I don't think it should be closed :)

Originally posted by Gam3on

Petition to end WAR?  That's ridiculous to me.  All games can't be all things to all people.  And no all games don't deliver everything they claim.  That applies to most things.  It's called reality!  ;-)

I've been playing WAR since open Beta and have been very satisfied with it.  Not everyone likes it but that's ok!  There's a healthy enough pop where I don't see it going anywhre for a while petition or not.

No one actually believes they will close down Warhammer because of a petition. The reason why a petition like this isnt rediculous though, is because it shows a very realistic ratio. That the majority of players dont care or think it should be shut down. Its all in the numbers. Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

What a foolish post...wait wait.....oh never mind it makes sense now

OP

"Femmes Fatales - The Power of the Feminine in the Art of MMO"

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

mmm I don't know what the subscription numbers are but I haven't seen any population issues on WAR lately.  I guess it depends on which server you play.  Just last night I was running with 2+ full warbands (@50ppl) across the T2 zones in WAR.  Nothing boring about it! ;o)

I did'nt vote on the poll cause i did'nt see the option : WTF are you talking about.

I left the game due to a population issue due to having too many servers.   When they'll merge all the servers into a dozen or so, i'll come back, until then, i'm not interested.

 In referance to this Poll please fill out the following.

Originally posted by Gam3on

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

 

mmm I don't know what the subscription numbers are but I haven't seen any population issues on WAR lately.  I guess it depends on which server you play.  Just last night I was running with 2+ full warbands (@50ppl) across the T2 zones in WAR.  Nothing boring about it! ;o)

I suppose you forgot they keep merging the servers, each merge causes a bigger imbalance between factions. One or two servers that are merged from the many servers they had before does not mean large population. Games like these dont grow, they dwindle into oblivion. Oh and im not sure how you consider running into a warband as "not boring". Does it = fun and balanced pvp? no. That warband is off to attack undefended keeps, hopping back and forth for easy keep PQs because theres nothign else to do.

Geez I haven't posted in a while, but to petition to close down a game, that people love and have a solid players base of 250-300k and have plans in the future for the game with expansions is a completly stupid idea.

I guess the trolling of Darkfall is out of style now, so you have to find another.

I Petition that your Petition should be taken down.

Originally posted by Keridwan

 

 

Let us establish exactly what people think should be done about Warhammer

 

/bump when you vote so we can get a large and representative sample :)

Why people ever thought that WAR was going to be good is beyond me. Just how many EQ clones do we need on the market with their shity point and clicky combat?

The MMO market needs to move on, games like Darkfall, Global Agenda, Mortal Online that utilise real time FPS style combat are the new breed of MMOs that will hopefully kill of the old style point and click, sit back make a cup of tea MMOs.

AoC and Tabula Rasa were hybrids that did not go far enough.

Lets kill off these shity point and clicky MMOs and embrace the new breed !

Raaaaaaaaaa ! Raaaaaaaaaaa!

Kill WAR now !!!

(If you agree or disagree with my comments about MMOs then please join The Facophany Forum by registering at the link in my sig :) )

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gam3on

Petition to end WAR?  That's ridiculous to me.  All games can't be all things to all people.  And no all games don't deliver everything they claim.  That applies to most things.  It's called reality!  ;-)

I've been playing WAR since open Beta and have been very satisfied with it.  Not everyone likes it but that's ok!  There's a healthy enough pop where I don't see it going anywhre for a while petition or not.

 

No one actually believes they will close down Warhammer because of a petition. The reason why a petition like this isnt rediculous though, is because it shows a very realistic ratio. That the majority of players dont care or think it should be shut down. Its all in the numbers. Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

What a bs.  As player you are also way out of line for thinking that a game that you dont like should shut down because you think so. It is not only ignorant, but also a very childish and selfish attitude. Having the illusion that your PREFERENCE should rule over others preference.

Furthermore, this is primarily about business. If Mythic will make money with this game, then there are no reasons at all to shut it down and it also proves that your opinion doesnt mean a thing, except for yourself.

And comparing Vanguard to WAR in a general way is just useless.  RvR plays such a large role in WAR and totally not in VG, that this alone makes comparing those 2 games in a general way useless.

The suits at Mythic will decide the fate for WAR and thats simply about profit. You and your opinion about what makes a game good wont change that. Only your wallet makes a tiny tiny difference.

Originally posted by someforumguy

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Originally posted by Gam3on

Petition to end WAR?  That's ridiculous to me.  All games can't be all things to all people.  And no all games don't deliver everything they claim.  That applies to most things.  It's called reality!  ;-)

I've been playing WAR since open Beta and have been very satisfied with it.  Not everyone likes it but that's ok!  There's a healthy enough pop where I don't see it going anywhre for a while petition or not.

 

No one actually believes they will close down Warhammer because of a petition. The reason why a petition like this isnt rediculous though, is because it shows a very realistic ratio. That the majority of players dont care or think it should be shut down. Its all in the numbers. Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

What a bs.  As player you are also way out of line for thinking that a game that you dont like should shut down because you think so. It is not only ignorant, but also a very childish and selfish attitude. Having the illusion that your PREFERENCE should rule over others preference.

Furthermore, this is primarily about business. If Mythic will make money with this game, then there are no reasons at all to shut it down and it also proves that your opinion doesnt mean a thing, except for yourself.

And comparing Vanguard to WAR in a general way is just useless.  RvR plays such a large role in WAR and totally not in VG, that this alone makes comparing those 2 games in a general way useless.

The suits at Mythic will decide the fate for WAR and thats simply about profit. You and your opinion about what makes a game good wont change that. Only your wallet makes a tiny tiny difference.

Are you incapable of reading comprehension? Im not even sure you read much less understood my post, because your response puts claims where none existed.

You are calling me "way out of line" for thinking that no one really expects a poll to decide the fate of the game? /facepalm.

Read it again, this time actually "READ", its not hard. No where does it say I think the game should be shut down. In fact, first line says otherwise. Its quite obviously Mythic will keep the game running as long as even an ounce of profit is being made, the moment it starts losing profit or no longer becomes worth the effort and maintenance (aka a liability), it will disappear. Im not sure if you heard, but there were layoffs at not only EA but Mythic as well. If WAR proves to be a liability, especially now with this economy, it has a greater chance of actually going away.

Heres facts: This poll shows that a HUGE number of people who bought WAR have become more than disappointed with the product. In fact, If Mythic and EA would reimburse players who payed $50+ for a horrible game, im sure there would be less of a problem. As it stands though, this poll is very relevant. I mean, look at the ratio. Thats bad. If people actually are upset to the point that they think, even if its unrealistic, that the game should just disappear, then you know Mythic did something wrong. You cant really argue against this and be logical at the same time. This is pretty much a very revealing message to Mythic and their publisher EA.

Furthermore, Comparing Vanguard and WAR is and can be done. You make the excuse of rvr and pvp vs pve as a means to say they cant be compared. Thats ridiculous, of course they can. All are player vs a challenge, games are products, mmorpgs rely on subscription numbers to survive. Thats not depended upon gameplay features, the products are identical as a mmorpg game that must have subs to survive. Its as simple as that.

RvR is one of WARs biggest flaws in fact. MMORPGs are balancing acts, a heavy focus on one feature while under developing everything else causes a lopsided product. Vanguard is the same, its sacrificed much needed features to focus on one thing, and the cause is an underdeveloped title. WAR is a badly designed title. This is a factual statement. You can still enjoy a badly designed title, as some are proving, but it doesnt change the fact that its design is full of flaws. Mythic tried to too hard but did too little, if thats even possible, and the little they did do was over planned, over controlled, and in the end had the opposite effect of what they planned.

My final statement to you is...learn to read please. Learn to comprehend, in fact, read the entire post before commenting on statements you made up or assumed, rather than what actually exists.

 You realise this poll is useless at best, 3 of the 4 options are negative.  If it was writen; do you feel that War should be shut down?: 1) Yes   2)No    3)  Not sure,   it would have been more meaninful.  However that does not address; Do you currently play War, Have you played War, When did you play War?  Adding these questions and we start to get qualitative answers.  What we have now is a troll poll.  Not unlike a Troll toll.  You have to pay to get into this boys soul.

Stupidest f-ing "poll/Petition" I've ever seen here and there have been some really retarded ones.

Originally posted by Gam3on

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

 

mmm I don't know what the subscription numbers are but I haven't seen any population issues on WAR lately.  I guess it depends on which server you play.  Just last night I was running with 2+ full warbands (@50ppl) across the T2 zones in WAR.  Nothing boring about it! ;o)

That's the only excuse you people have since the game launched. 

It depends on wich server you play. Go roll a high pop server. Bla bla bla. Yada Yada Yada.

Sorry tho. But at the moment there are basically only 2 real high pop servers left. Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU).

You can't expect everyone to reroll to any of these servers.

It's Mythic's fault entirely to make the game so stupidly dependend on high population and then launch with way way too many servers!

So it's their job to make sure their PAYING customers get the experience they are paying for!

They damn well know they can close down cq. merge a hell lot more servers, but they don't because it will be a TOTAL face loss for Mark Jacobs (if it isn't already).

Mark Jacobs is more busy saving his ass then caring for his own paying customers. And rather let them rot on low pop servers.

-----------------

At this moment I have a hell lot more respect for Funcom and Craig in general of how they managed to turn Age of Conan around lately.

Then the endless and pointless carrot feed Mythic is throwing out to their customers, instead of fixing their darn game!

Cheers

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Murdus

Why would you close a game down? People enjoy playing it, just because you don't doesn't mean that no one else can. Very one-sided poll also. Goes from "Not sure" to "Uber"

Try having an objective view to the whole situation and think of the current playerbase that enjoys the game and not only you who cannot.

 

Hey, we all look out for our own self interests, and some folks feel this game is broken in ways that cannot be resolved due to flaws in its core design.

As such, it is draining resources from Mythic who should be working on DAOC 2, (IMO of course) or to release a good version of WAR that more people can enjoy.

Just because 50-100K people enjoy a game doesn't mean the rest of us feel a great IP should go so underutilized.

I think I once read that WAR's engine was based on the original DAOC one and improved.  That was probably a mistake if true.

While I personally don't like/play WAR, this poll is one of the most biased and idiotic pieces of drivel that I've seen to date. How you can actually defend a poll that lacks any degree of logic is beyond my comprehension. I might think that WAR is a travesty to the Warhammer franchise, but I still respect the fact that other people might actually enjoy the game even if I do not.

From a statistical standpoint, if the OP desired accurate responses, he/she should have created a poll with a broader spectrum of answers to reflect the obvious diversity in the opinions of the respondents. As a result, he/she comes across as little more than a troll from my perspective.

---

Originally posted by Guillermo197

---

Originally posted by Gam3on

---

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

---

 
mmm I don't know what the subscription numbers are but I haven't seen any population issues on WAR lately.  I guess it depends on which server you play.  Just last night I was running with 2+ full warbands (@50ppl) across the T2 zones in WAR.  Nothing boring about it! ;o)

---

That's the only excuse you people have since the game launched. 
It depends on wich server you play. Go roll a high pop server. Bla bla bla. Yada Yada Yada.
Sorry tho. But at the moment there are basically only 2 real high pop servers left. Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU).
You can't expect everyone to reroll to any of these servers.
It's Mythic's fault entirely to make the game so stupidly dependend on high population and then launch with way way too many servers!
So it's their job to make sure their PAYING customers get the experience they are paying for!
They damn well know they can close down cq. merge a hell lot more servers, but they don't because it will be a TOTAL face loss for Mark Jacobs (if it isn't already).
Mark Jacobs is more busy saving his ass then caring for his own paying customers. And rather let them rot on low pop servers.
-----------------
At this moment I have a hell lot more respect for Funcom and Craig in general of how they managed to turn Age of Conan around lately.
Then the endless and pointless carrot feed Mythic is throwing out to their customers, instead of fixing their darn game!
Cheers

---

This should put his post into perspective for you.

---

Originally posted by Gam3on
I've played nothing but T1/T2 since open beta. It's been a blast. Once I'm over it I'll move on to T3/T4.

---

I wouldn't take him too seriously.

Also, Funcom was able to turn a corner a bit on AoC because they fired the guy in charge of the mess. Mark Jacobs is in charge of the trainwreck at Warhammer, but he's the head guy at Mythic, so he won't fire himself. Basically he was in charge on implementing most of the crappy ideas into the game (giving it the stamp of approval), so if he has to scrap major portions, that's admitting he failed as director. You don't need to look any further for evidence of this than the craptastic crafting system in Warhammer, where you only can make only a talisman or a potion. Clownshoes, as people say.

Guess who was the lead and sole head of the crafting division in Warhammer? Mark Jacobs. So.. does he fire himself from that given how boring and asinine it is? Basically, Mythic is being run like when Hitler was running the German Army. Instead of letting the generals do the work, the retard micromanaged every single thing and lost the war.

Ironically, Jacobs is losing the "WAR" (pardon the pun) all by himself by doing the exact same thing. Bad decisions.

Originally posted by eight675309

I'd rather "petition" to start eugenics, so we won't have to worry so much about people like the OP.

Finally! Someone has actually exhibited some common sense.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Gam3on

Originally posted by Rabenwolf

Mythic im sure realizes they have a huge flop on their hands. Warhammer is dubbed as one of the most boring games. Mythic needs to realize this and if they have any talent left, do something drastic to save the game because at this point its going to be like Vanguard SoH, barely surviving, low pop and even thats a better game.

mmm I don't know what the subscription numbers are but I haven't seen any population issues on WAR lately.  I guess it depends on which server you play.  Just last night I was running with 2+ full warbands (@50ppl) across the T2 zones in WAR.  Nothing boring about it! ;o)

Sorry tho. But at the moment there are basically only 2 real high pop servers left. Phoenix Throne (US) and Karak Eight Peaks (EU).

I don't play on either of those servers and haven't had any population issues.  I understand there are other servers with population issues, my comments were regarding the servers I play on.  I can't speak to the others since I haven't been there, but know Mythic has been merging servers and hope that will help with this since population and balance is very important to WAR.