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Originally posted by Bruticus_XI Most likely, he means "legit" as in "possible to exist within the game", not legit as in acceptable. That's why it's flawed, just because no one has ever made a name like that doesn't mean someone never will. Then why would anyone question "lili" or "splili"? Those are actual names, they do not contain any special characters or anything. There exist people with those names. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99 Most likely, he means "legit" as in "possible to exist within the game", not legit as in acceptable. That's why it's flawed, just because no one has ever made a name like that doesn't mean someone never will. Then why would anyone question "lili" or "splili"? Those are actual names, they do not contain any special characters or anything. There exist people with those names. But what I'm really asking is have you seen it in a MMO? If not, then your point is moot, since you cant get banned out of real life. IF you have seen a name like that in-game, then I am disproven and there is no further argument. -TORMENT GAMING COMMUNITY- |
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Originally posted by prow
Doesn't matter... What if someone wanted a crazy name and they weren't actually NOT A HACKER?! OH NOES!
But seriously, what else do we expect since this game was made in a 3rd world country that doesn't have "free speech" to make whatever name they wanted... but whatever... =) Can this game hurry up and go away so we can have another mmo come in its place...
Greece a third world country? XD
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Originally posted by drasilgame
Yep I have had about 10 different forum accounts banned because I kept making threads they did not like
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Originally posted by sanders01
That isnt the question you need to ask.
What should be asked is fairly simnpl,e, its a three stage affair.
Firstly, If the lead producer doesnt weant names such as that in th egame, why allow names like that in the game in the first place, Its trivial coding to put a name filter in.
Secondly , if, as he is suggesting, the mere fact someone has a name inlcuding the various LliI permutations means someone is a cheater seems a rather innapropriate statement from a CEO of a games company.
Thirdly , why is there not a renaming tool in game to counter the issues that were absolutely 100% guaranteed to appear with the absence of the first point, a naming filter.
In other words, regardless of what the actual issue is, or whether these people are hackers out for trouble, what his statement highlights is simplythat there was absolutely zero forethought to customer service , at all.
For a game in development for, at best 7 years, this is simply ineptitude. There is no excuse.
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Originally posted by Valetman
That isnt the question you need to ask.
What should be asked is fairly simnpl,e, its a three stage affair.
Firstly, If the lead producer doesnt weant names such as that in th egame, why allow names like that in the game in the first place, Its trivial coding to put a name filter in.
Secondly , if, as he is suggesting, the mere fact someone has a name inlcuding the various LliI permutations means someone is a cheater seems a rather innapropriate statement from a CEO of a games company.
Thirdly , why is there not a renaming tool in game to counter the issues that were absolutely 100% guaranteed to appear with the absence of the first point, a naming filter.
In other words, regardless of what the actual issue is, or whether these people are hackers out for trouble, what his statement highlights is simplythat there was absolutely zero forethought to customer service , at all.
For a game in development for, at best 7 years, this is simply ineptitude. There is no excuse.
Just a heads up.. but there is a naming Filter... I couldn't use "Shoe" as a last name. Also, I can understand why there isn't a naming filter. I can't understand why there isn't a rename tool. Hell, how many offense names can be made out of non-offensive names. Lets start Baebe Khiller eights yurface You see what I did there?? Currently playing Real Life.. http://i36.tinypic.com/2uyod3k.gif For all your stalking needs.. |
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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
DING DING DING DING DING! Everyone says they have a naming policy, but do they create a means to enforce it in the character creation process? WoW says you can't have names with non-standard letters, accents and umlauts and such, yet I see them all the time. They've got a policy that don't enforce before they have to get a GM involved in it! CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested. Once a denizen of Ahazi |
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I like the delete your toon or you permanenly banned idea. How can you honestly say that a name like that was chosen or randomly or means something to the player?? These kind of names are to avoid being reported, that's all. Now why the heck should these people be allowed to rename their accounts & therefore get away with everything they've done so far. For once, someone is rolling up to hackers & slamming the door in their faces. More MMOs need to do this. |
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Originally posted by srsh12345 Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by oddjobs74 Glass houses man... Ban for hacking yes...name? no...a guy named Ray can hack just as easy. A guay named an appropriate fantasy name like Deverous The Foul can decide they might as well hack to keep on a lvl playing field so they can compete..
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Devs have always had the ability to ban people based on their names, they've just never enforced it much, glad to see someone finally is, everyone with nonfantasy names in a fantasy MMo kinda dont fit, its not hard to come up with a decent name. Mess with the best, die like the rest |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99 Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name.
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Originally posted by jimmyman99 Once again you fail to understand that some of those "hard to read" names are real legit names of people who are not hackers and who were given an ultimatum to delete (!!!) their toon or be banned. Imagine your name is your toon's name and imagine they asked YOU to do that. Because seriously, srsh12345 is such a hacker's name. Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads: "In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name." There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;
l33thaX << childish but not confusing IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs urM0m1uv5go47s << As above it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .
I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.
For the record, I do not currently play DF.
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Kyleran
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Originally posted by skydragonren
Ok explain to me how !I!I!I!I!I!!I!I who doesn't cheat is affecting your gameplay. If he did that would be different. Let's just say though he does not he is legit, just has !!I!I!II!!I for a name. How is he affecting your gameplay or abusing mechanics?
I can't think of a single thing in game that his name is going to do to affect you. He isn't bothering you, just running along looking to kill players and get loot like you. How is he affecting you? That is what I thought.
Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game. And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs. I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more). Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will. I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names. It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game. I'm just not fair like that. In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him. When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error. Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage. Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes. Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers. (or potential wrong doers). If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid. If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned.
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Originally posted by Random_mage
Just a heads up.. but there is a naming Filter... I couldn't use "Shoe" as a last name. Also, I can understand why there isn't a naming filter. I can't understand why there isn't a rename tool. Hell, how many offense names can be made out of non-offensive names. Lets start Baebe Khiller eights yurface You see what I did there??
hahahaha
Shoe?? What a bad name!
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An interesting question on the official DF forums: "I wonder if this applies to people with spaces in their names. I (and a lot of others) lost our original names due to the servers been crap and having to delete chars to play the game. each name remains taken so numbers and spaces were the way to go. If they ban over this, they're going to lose a lot of players, because ia int rerolling now, just for a damn space in my name." forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php Aventurine could easily say that the name "confuses them" when theres a space in the name thats hard to spot. So these players might have to give up their characters that they had from day one, only because the servers were screwed up the first days (weeks maybe). By the way, what does Tasos means with "confusing" the GMs? I thought they had superb logs for everything? Couldnt the players try to get in contact with a GM, and when the GM is there they tell him that there were a potential hacker there 10 minutes ago. Then the GM check the logs and find the player and see what he did... the name shouldnt be an issue, the player would still be in the log. |
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Originally posted by nikoliath Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads: "In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name." There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;
l33thaX << childish but not confusing IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs urM0m1uv5go47s << As above it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .
I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.
For the record, I do not currently play DF.
LILI as in lili qualifies to be banned and yet it is a VALID name. Just look up the white pages and see how many people have that last name. The phrazing "effort to confused GMs" gives them a nice escape route: "Oh you know, your name confused me... BAN". The point is not whether those people are cheaters (even thought some people defending this move claim thats the case). The point is, someone absolutely unknown to you will be judging whether your name is "confusing" or not. That someone may not be culturally rich enough to detect foreign names. So your name may qualify to be banned because that someone thinks it is "confusing". I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Jimmy just hang it up dude, I tried to get them to understand all this for 3 hours yesterday. They aren't going to get it and the only thing you are going to get out of it is a higher post count. Which is a win win for you I guess.
But trust me, they aren't going to get it. |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99 Once again you fail to understand the original post from Tasos, it reads: "In 48 hours characters with names made in an effort to confuse GMs and other players, for example adding a string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) in their names will start getting their host accounts permanently banned. If you have a character like that, delete him and make a new one with a proper name." There is NO mention of your usual, run of the mill, MMo names i.e;
l33thaX << childish but not confusing IartehpVpK1d << childish but not made in an attempt to hinder GMs urM0m1uv5go47s << As above it clearly states: names made in an effort to confuse GMs + string of lower cap L’s and upper case I’s (IlIlIIIl) as an example. He doesn't even conclude that these people are cheating or likely to cheat .
I still maintain anyone using a name with IIIIIII||||||||| is being a gimp, and I LOVE the fact that tasos is telling them to get real or get out.
For the record, I do not currently play DF.
LILI as in lili qualifies to be banned and yet it is a VALID name. Just look up the white pages and see how many people have that last name. The phrazing "effort to confused GMs" gives them a nice escape route: "Oh you know, your name confused me... BAN". The point is not whether those people are cheaters (even thought some people defending this move claim thats the case). The point is, someone absolutely unknown to you will be judging whether your name is "confusing" or not. That someone may not be culturally rich enough to detect foreign names. So your name may qualify to be banned because that someone thinks it is "confusing".
Spell it properly, ie. Lili, then you should be fine. It is not a string meant to confuse like lillillili would be.
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Originally posted by robertb
I am sorry, but what are you, forum police? I write my name the way I want to. If i want to make it lowercase and it lets me, then I will make it. If they want to restrict something they should restrict it at the entry point - where I create my character. not later on, when I spent months leveling my toon up. Stop being so uniformal. Not everyone likes their toons named "Bob". But hey, you never know, maybe later on they decide that Bob is no good becuase it is .. too short. So that will also be banned. And after you complain, some other robertb calls you dense, carebear and tells you to go back to WoW. How ya gonna like that? I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by skydragonren
I will die before I give up my freedom of speech. I will defend it even if it means I will defend THEIR right of freedom of speech to express their hatred towards the right of freedom of speech. I am just that kind of a person. I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time. |
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Originally posted by jimmyman99
I am sorry, but what are you, forum police? I write my name the way I want to. If i want to make it lowercase and it lets me, then I will make it. If they want to restrict something they should restrict it at the entry point - where I create my character. not later on, when I spent months leveling my toon up. Stop being so uniformal. Not everyone likes their toons named "Bob". But hey, you never know, maybe later on they decide that Bob is no good becuase it is .. too short. So that will also be banned. And after you complain, some other robertb calls you dense, carebear and tells you to go back to WoW. How ya gonna like that?
Indeed. But if you do so in Darkfall, you will now be banned, so gg... ;) |
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Originally posted by Kyleran
Ok explain to me how !I!I!I!I!I!!I!I who doesn't cheat is affecting your gameplay. If he did that would be different. Let's just say though he does not he is legit, just has !!I!I!II!!I for a name. How is he affecting your gameplay or abusing mechanics?
I can't think of a single thing in game that his name is going to do to affect you. He isn't bothering you, just running along looking to kill players and get loot like you. How is he affecting you? That is what I thought.
Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game. And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs. I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more). Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will. I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names. It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game. I'm just not fair like that. In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him. When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error. Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage. Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes. Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers. (or potential wrong doers). If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid. If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned.
Yeah, because the players of DFO really care about how "immersed" you are in the world, while raping and pillaging your body for loot. I can't find one logical or intelligent argument in your entire post. Even if he is not cheating, his name is stupid and destroys other players immersion in the game. And should someone wish to report him, his name makes it difficult to report him. If you are reporting a player on a NON ROLEPLAYING server because he is "breaking your immersion factor" then you are the one with the cobwebs between your ears not the other guy. Grow up Tinkerbell. This isn't never never land and I am not a lost boy. Developers should not have to code in mechanics to prevent cheating and stupidity, people seem to forget its the cheaters fault, not the game devs. Yes please, by all means do not code in anti-cheat mechanics into your game. That would be really bad.... I routinely report players with offensive names in any game that bothers to enforce a naming policy. (I wish EVE did more). Offensive names yes, they should be reported. I do not like people with the name Hugen Hairyballsack either. However we are talking about someone named IIiiiii IiiiiIIiiii, which I can't for the life of me figure out how that "offends" someone. Yes, I am a name nazi, and if you are messing with my enjoyment of the game, if there's any way for me to exact retribution on you I will. I have on many occasions camped/killed people just for having bad names. It amuses me and no, I don't give a flip if it destroys their enjoyment of the game. I'm just not fair like that. Last I checked this game was called Darkfall not Kyleran. This entire post above just makes you a hypocrite nothing more. People can't break YOUR immersion or your enjoyment. However you can make any player you deem not worthy of their name's life a living hell, destroy their enjoyment and you don't even care. YOU just typed that out. Which prolly makes you the biggest hypocrite next to a catholic priest on planet earth. In fact, one time I was in fleet during a big fight in EVE and realized one of the fleet members had a really offensive name, so I helped the other side kill him. When I showed up on the kill mail I blamed it on a targeting error. I won't even bother responding to this, you should feel so proud of yourself though... really..... Play within the limits of common sense and decency (as commonly accepted by the bulk of society) or expect retribution in any form I can manage. Spoken like a true sheeple. Anyone who isn't like you should expect swift retribution. I for one am glad we have different social groups within society. So we aren't all lemmings. Yeah, no reason to say it, I'm that much of a jerk sometimes. Aventurine is doing the right thing IMO by punishing wrong doers. (or potential wrong doers). If I saw a black man in an elevator, I wouldn't be afraid. If was wearing a ski mask I'd be suddenly a bit concerned. I can summerize these 3 at one time. "I am a jerk." "I don't know if they cheat or not, but one day they might, so ban them anyway." "Black people are cool, as long as they don't ski, If I ever saw one on the slopes, I would be a little concerned." Like I said, I can't see anything logical or intelligent in this entire post. |
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If someone wants to ragequit over a name, he's a fool to assume "lots of players" will ragequit along with him. The vast majority of people playing any game has some normal type of name. So that poster was delusional thinking some army would be following in a line out of the Darkfall world because of a name issue.
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