I can't speak for entire population but over the past couple of years I have been able to find guilds for older people. The game actually seemed to be more enjoyable to me when I was in a guild and my wife was one of the youngest members at age 30.

[quote][i]Originally posted by Isturi[/i]    It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.   What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??   [/quote]   Sorry bud, but just because I am 50 does not mean I wet my pants and need a nurse. I have never played WOW nor do I intend to.  

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

WoW was once a MMO not in its simplest form? And lol at majority in their fifties remark :)

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by syllvenwood

eh wow is just for people that either have very little time and care only about being handed things or younger players you dont have the skill for more challanging mmos. Lota older players prob getting in cause the game is so easy and it doesnt take much to learn except how to use a mouse

 

Broad sweeping statements like this are just for people who either have very little skills in explanations and care only about grossly over simplified summary as these people lack the skill or ability to substantiate their empty assertions.  It does not take these people much more than the ability to randomly hit the keyboard and press the submit button.

Well when it comes to a grossley simplified game how else can you describe it?

Originally posted by syllvenwood

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by syllvenwood

eh wow is just for people that either have very little time and care only about being handed things or younger players you dont have the skill for more challanging mmos. Lota older players prob getting in cause the game is so easy and it doesnt take much to learn except how to use a mouse

 

Broad sweeping statements like this are just for people who either have very little skills in explanations and care only about grossly over simplified summary as these people lack the skill or ability to substantiate their empty assertions.  It does not take these people much more than the ability to randomly hit the keyboard and press the submit button.

 

Well when it comes to a grossley simplified game how else can you describe it?

Outside of Eve, most,if not all mainstream MMO's have about the same difficulty level and are very simple compared to games of the past. The main difference is the amount of time invested in the game. WOW does require less time and for many, that is one of its best aspects.

I have played WOW, WAR, AOC, TCOS, EQ2, Vanguard, and many other recent/current MMO's and nothing strikes me as being much harder than another.

Older players have actually gravitated to WOW because we have put in our timesinks and have been there and done that. its not about ease or difficulty, its abour real life versus gaming life...and for many, family, friends, kids, work come first now. I wish I was at a point where I could play 12 hours a day for days on end. However, that is not the case and for where I am at in life, WOW fills the gaming void perfectly. I think many would agree with that too.

I'm 46 and have played Wow and Eve both on and off for years. It's two different experiences, I enjoy them both at times, and hate them both at times.

The perfect game for everyone just doesn't exist, and probably never  will.

Us older players would like something that knocks our socks off, just like the younger players.

It may never happen, Aion  looks great, but then it doesn't.

Honestly, "The Witcher" could be the best mmo ever, that's my opinoin. It just needs a name change :)

Yes, I know that it's not an mmo, but it cdould be.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by LuckyR

[quote][i]Originally posted by Isturi[/i]    It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.   What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??   [/quote]   Sorry bud, but just because I am 50 does not mean I wet my pants and need a nurse. I have never played WOW nor do I intend to.  

 

If you really are fifty, you should know that you can only judge things by yourself and certainly not go after the opinion of 17 year old frustrated kids publishing words like "trash" and "sucks" on mmorpg.com, while searching a meaning to their existence through video games..

You don't know what you're missing.

But no problem I know what I have in the World of Warcraft.

And having had 30 years experience in video gaming, computer programming and about 40 years in board-war-fantasy-gaming I know which game I played most (out of those 600 gathering dust in my attic).

1. WOW

2. Third Reich/The Russian Campaign (board)

3. Magic the gathering. (CCG).

4. Close Combat 1 (PC)

5. Star Raiders on the Atari 400/800 computers back in 1980.

Honorable mention goes to WH the TT game and NApoleon's BAttles (also TT).

The difference between WoW and the other fantasy (MMO or not) games I played (dozens of them) I would say it's like 3 to 10/10... and that includes SC, WC3, and D2 btw.

D2 is pathetic now compared to what you have as playing options in Wow.

 

Here here Zorndorf, once again well said.

While I don't have any real studies to back me up, I know from my own experiences how popular WoW is with a more mature and experienced gaming population.

I am a member of a very large guild. We have been around for 10 years this fall. We have a good number of players 50+. The majority of us are probably between 25 and 45. We have womenz. REAL womenz. Lot's of them. We have a large number of husband and wife teams. We also have a few family groups that span 2 or 3 generations playing together. We are the oldest guild on our server, we are also one of the largest. We are mainly a social guild, but do raid agressively and have all current 25 man content on farm status. And we do it with clean efficiency, a sense of fun, and virtually no pissing and drama.

Many of us have been gaming since the days of Atari, Trash 80's and Comodore's. We have been gaming together as a team since the original Asherons Call beta, if not earlier.

And we know we are precisely the sort of players that MMO companies such as Blizzard cream there pants for. We stay together in large social groups for a long time. So we stay paying and playing for a long time. (unlike the younger player with the shorter attention span). The more mature playerbase tends to be more easily satsified content wise, and is less expensive and requires less direct customer support attention.

So why would anyone be astonished that there are older folks playing and enjoying these games?

Here here Zorndorf, and faefrost both you two got the point on this THREAD. TY for the fact of the matter NO one should care what age you are. I also even though TEN years off will be PLAYING MMO's at fifty. I'm sure that the both of you will be playing in your SIXITIES.

If anyone has a problem with that then stop playing the games WE choose to play. And go CLEAN your room!!! Lol

The OP's assertion would not surprise me at all, i am 58 year old gamer who belongs to a guild which has 30,000 members.

What's the name of that guild? The Older Gamers [TOG]

Mind you i don't play WoW anymore. i'm playing The Chronicals of Spellborn. :)

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

wow was always in its simplest form, thats why so many teens with short attention spans played it. those people in their fifties are far more competent than any little teen.

Originally posted by syllvenwood

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by syllvenwood

eh wow is just for people that either have very little time and care only about being handed things or younger players you dont have the skill for more challanging mmos. Lota older players prob getting in cause the game is so easy and it doesnt take much to learn except how to use a mouse

 

Broad sweeping statements like this are just for people who either have very little skills in explanations and care only about grossly over simplified summary as these people lack the skill or ability to substantiate their empty assertions.  It does not take these people much more than the ability to randomly hit the keyboard and press the submit button.

 

Well when it comes to a grossley simplified game how else can you describe it?

Learn to appreciate, and stop making nonsense conclusions.  How is a game evaluated?  Complexity makes a game, simplification fails a game?  What is the measurement of complexity?  You need to do 600 pressed ups to launch the game or jump in hoops for 2 hours to select a character?  What exactly is a game?  An IQ test?

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

LOL You must be 10 yourself. If a gamer is in his fifties he grew up on shit that's much more hard core than whatever you tweeners play these days. I'd much rather play with a gamerbase that is in its 50s than a bunch of punk kidz.

Hard core teens? Are you shitting me? They wouldn't know hardcore if it took a dump in their mouths. You want to blame a demographic for pussifying games? You are looking at the wrong group.

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

 

wow was always in its simplest form, thats why so many teens with short attention spans played it. those people in their fifties are far more competent than any little teen.

Simplest form?  What is simple form?  Show me your measurement, or is it just an empty statement with no meaning, just to start off your line of discussion, like the word "Hi"?

Meh intreasting VIEW points. What I have LEARN from this thread is that you should have FUN in gaming no matter what AGE you are.

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

 

LOL You must be 10 yourself. If a gamer is in his fifties he grew up on shit that's much more hard core than whatever you tweeners play these days. I'd much rather play with a gamerbase that is in its 50s than a bunch of punk kidz.

Hard core teens? Are you shitting me? They wouldn't know hardcore if it took a dump in their mouths. You want to blame a demographic for pussifying games? You are looking at the wrong group.

I belong to the old aged group now, the group around 50.  I do not feel any superiority or hard core when talking to the younger, nor do I feel embarassed or soft core when talking to older gamers.  Fact is, I dunno what is hard core soft core in a game, A GAME.  EQ is hard core?  Training to zone ins, dragging corpse to loot, lfg outside instance entrance is hard core?  DAoC is hard core?  EvE is hardcore?  EvE can be as safe as you want if you hide in a big guild.  WoW can be as difficult as you want, if you set high standard in what you want and proceed to do it.  Actually a friend of mine delete his alt whenever it dies in the game, whatever the gear and money it earns.  That makes maxing level very challenging and require good planning.  Fact is tetrix is "hardcore" if you force yourself to play on a PC with only 1 finger. Or close your eyes every alternate second.
 

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by Isturi

 

 It seems that WoW players for the majority are in their FIFTIES. Not that I have anything against ppl who play MMO's past FIFTY. Actually I think on one hand it is a very cool thing to want to keep up with your grand kids. But I remember the days of WoW when the HARDCORE fanboy was in there TEENS. It goese to show that once you EVOLVE a MMO to its SIMPLEST form anyone can play. Dont get me wrong I plan on playing MMO's until I'm NINETY. Is that WRONG?? come to think of it I think I heard somewere there is a NINETY year old player somewhere playing WoW. If you can verify this pls do.

 

What are your thought or comments? I'm I the only one that SEE'S the TREND??

 

 

LOL You must be 10 yourself. If a gamer is in his fifties he grew up on shit that's much more hard core than whatever you tweeners play these days. I'd much rather play with a gamerbase that is in its 50s than a bunch of punk kidz.

Hard core teens? Are you shitting me? They wouldn't know hardcore if it took a dump in their mouths. You want to blame a demographic for pussifying games? You are looking at the wrong group.

I belong to the old aged group now, the group around 50.  I do not feel any superiority or hard core when talking to the younger, nor do I feel embarassed or soft core when talking to older gamers.  Fact is, I dunno what is hard core soft core in a game, A GAME.  EQ is hard core?  Training to zone ins, dragging corpse to loot, lfg outside instance entrance is hard core?  DAoC is hard core?  EvE is hardcore?  EvE can be as safe as you want if you hide in a big guild.  WoW can be as difficult as you want, if you set high standard in what you want and proceed to do it.  Actually a friend of mine delete his alt whenever it dies in the game, whatever the gear and money it earns.  That makes maxing level very challenging and require good planning.  Fact is tetrix is "hardcore" if you force yourself to play on a PC with only 1 finger. Or close your eyes every alternate second.
 

I think you misunderstood my response. The OP appeared to me to be blaming 50 somethings for dumbing down the MMO experience. And he clearly lamented the shift (in his eyes) of the average wow gamer from the "hard core teen" to a more geriatric demographic.

I am not in the 50s crowd but I do have time in grade playing pong, trash 80 casette games, Atari 2600 etc. And I know that many of you that are older than me started playing the first MMOs on mainframes via punch card. That, to me, makes your generation pretty hard core as far as gaming is concerned. Pretty much bottom line, in my opinion. =)

I don't know that any generation is guilty of dumbing gaming down. Devs seem predisposed to do that themselves. But I will object to any proposition that older gamers are in any way feeble gamers, or inherently soft core. They are clearly not.

There doesn't seem to be a point to the OP at all...maybe im missing something..

And why the HELL do YOU type like THIS

Originally posted by goofy3k

There doesn't seem to be a point to the OP at all...maybe im missing something..

And why the HELL do YOU type like THIS

The POINT is what YOU make out or it. I TYPE like this is because it is MY style. I like to have FUN whith ALL I do.

      Actually WoW released age range numbers a year ago or so....The average age was around 26 IIRC.......I think 50+ was less than 10 percent........I have no clue why the OP thinks everyone is over 50........Usually players over 50 in any MMO are very rare.