I wouldnt read to much into that poll. It has only 106 votes, more than half would still try it even without interiors.

And, lets face it, most posts on the mmorpg.com forums are usually negative. Regardless of what mmo it is.

Oh and, i didnt say that PotBS was a successfull game. I simply wanted to point out that it was similar to STO and that the lack of ship interiors wasnt gamebreaking there.

 Probably sticking with EVE Online. Just wish Walking in Stations would ^%%()%(^^*(%*^% hurry up a bit.

Originally posted by Wieland

I wouldnt read to much into that poll. It has only 106 votes, more than half would still try it even without interiors.

And, lets face it, most posts on the mmorpg.com forums are usually negative. Regardless of what mmo it is.

 

Oh and, i didnt say that PotBS was a successfull game. I simply wanted to point out that it was similar to STO and that the lack of ship interiors wasnt gamebreaking there.

I realize it's only based on the opinions of a hundred or so people, but I wouldn't be surpised if the results were similar hd 1000 people asnwered it. The bottom line is a lot of people associate Star Trek with the interactions that take place on ships and space stations, and not having that element takes away a huge amount of immersion for a lot of people. While a little over half said they would still give it a try, over 2/3 said that it does make them lest interested in this game. With the increasingly competitive nature of the MMO industry, I just can't see this game doing very well if it lacks features that more than half of potential players want. I'm all for putting the gameplay first, but to me it would make more sense to take more time to make a game that will appeal to a lot of people rather than rushing to release something that seems unfinished.

The interiors wouldn't be there AT FIRST. They WILL be there later. So no, it decreases none being that I will still get them.

I don't mind not having interiors as long as they make up for it in other aspects of the game. Of course, being able to change out components like in Eve would be very desirable. Being able to modify the crew would be nice...an environment like Star Fleet Battles would be very cool. But, my primary interest in this game would be exploration/exploitation. Warping into a system having to do sensor scans and surveys-probing things out-that would be better content than ship interiors hung on a half a$$ sack of mismatched content. My 2 cents.

TBH i wouldnt even be bothered about ship interiors at this stage anyways. What i would be more concered about is how the game plays and how fun/interesting it will be.

If it fails then it will be another failure (just like so many wannabe's we have seen get pumped out), if it works and is done right then they could have a nice little earner in their pockets. Only time will tell.

WOW works because they got it right in all departments it's as simple as that. Shame they broke it with 2 bad addons but Vanilla WOW was excellent.

STO will also fail if all they release an eve clone with a few walk about places and planets.

If you do a Star Trek MMO then you have to be Star Trek and that means 90% of the game is about people and interiors, planets, space stations and ships. Space battles are a very small part of Star Trek so why the hell are we going to be ships :S

It sounds dreadful.

Originally posted by Mackeh

WOW works because they got it right in all departments it's as simple as that. Shame they broke it with 2 bad addons but Vanilla WOW was excellent.

STO will also fail if all they release an eve clone with a few walk about places and planets.

If you do a Star Trek MMO then you have to be Star Trek and that means 90% of the game is about people and interiors, planets, space stations and ships. Space battles are a very small part of Star Trek so why the hell are we going to be ships :S

It sounds dreadful.

Do you think a game that consists of 90% talking would be a success? Take a look at the series, its lots of talking.
 

Sure, Star Trek is not about the battles, but a space mmo without action would be a huge failure.

You could call it Star Trek Wars of the Gate and it would still be a failure with only walking and talking.

And to get back on topic, there will be lots of interiors in STO for missions on planets and aboard ships and socialisation in Spacestations. There will simply be no free walking on your Ship at the start.

The lack of Ship interiors is what has turned it from Star Trek to a typical MMO, to me.  I've been following its development and they are doing everything they can to shoehorn Trek into a traditinal MMO structure and its really typical and requries no thinking at all, on the contrary, all it requires is to gut Trek of its inner workings and design classes of ships like traditional MMO Classes.  It's really very silly when you step back and look at it, and while they might have background and mythos in tune with the show, the experience doesn't appear to be anything like it in spirit or function.

It's just an MMO, not really a "Star Trek experience."

IF they had taken the time to figure out how to make a ship interior-focused game fun, exciting and action packed, then, man... that would have required real thinking, and that would have won me as an eternal fan.  As is, especially how they're reusing the same MMO engine for Champions, to me its like they're coasting creatively.  They might be working hard, but it sure isn't on anything groundbreaking.

as far as im concerned, in the end, ship interiors were to be nothing more than a social mechanic...and a useless one, removing them and allocating those reasources to other parts o fthe game was a good decision. Too bad the rabid fanboi's want do do nothing but apparently walk starship hallways in this new MMO...lame.

Originally posted by ianicus

as far as im concerned, in the end, ship interiors were to be nothing more than a social mechanic...and a useless one, removing them and allocating those reasources to other parts o fthe game was a good decision. Too bad the rabid fanboi's want do do nothing but apparently walk starship hallways in this new MMO...lame.

Actually the reason I think most people want interiors is because they want PC crews and they know that without allocating resources to even having open interiors there isn't much chance of that, atleast thats my main beef with no interiors.

FYI "rabid fanboi's" generally are people who say everything about the game is a good decision not people who think for themselves.

not having ship interiors at the beginning of this game isnt going to ruin it for me. they are going to put those in at some point im sure. also there will be some interior stuff at the beginning anyway. this arguement sounds like it includes a small niche of players anyway. is there an aweful lot of people that want to be an engineer as part of a player crew and just sit there and mash one button? doubtful. who doesnt want to be captain of their own starship?

Originally posted by lornj

not having ship interiors at the beginning of this game isnt going to ruin it for me. they are going to put those in at some point im sure. also there will be some interior stuff at the beginning anyway. this arguement sounds like it includes a small niche of players anyway. is there an aweful lot of people that want to be an engineer as part of a player crew and just sit there and mash one button? doubtful. who doesnt want to be captain of their own starship?

I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread dedicated to players crews as they have now dragged on forever but those arguements have already been raised and argued. I'm telling you this because I couldn't be bothered argueing it again but so you can look for yourself if you care. As for it being a "small niche" I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche. It doesn't mean its not, just that the boards don't reflect what you think.

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by lornj

not having ship interiors at the beginning of this game isnt going to ruin it for me. they are going to put those in at some point im sure. also there will be some interior stuff at the beginning anyway. this arguement sounds like it includes a small niche of players anyway. is there an aweful lot of people that want to be an engineer as part of a player crew and just sit there and mash one button? doubtful. who doesnt want to be captain of their own starship?

 

I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread dedicated to players crews as they have now dragged on forever but those arguements have already been raised and argued. I'm telling you this because I couldn't be bothered argueing it again but so you can look for yourself if you care. As for it being a "small niche" I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche. It doesn't mean its not, just that the boards don't reflect what you think.

So you believe that 38% out of 144 votes in a poll at a site with over a million members actually indicates it's NOT an extremely miniscule niche group?

Okies

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by lornj

not having ship interiors at the beginning of this game isnt going to ruin it for me. they are going to put those in at some point im sure. also there will be some interior stuff at the beginning anyway. this arguement sounds like it includes a small niche of players anyway. is there an aweful lot of people that want to be an engineer as part of a player crew and just sit there and mash one button? doubtful. who doesnt want to be captain of their own starship?

 

I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread dedicated to players crews as they have now dragged on forever but those arguements have already been raised and argued. I'm telling you this because I couldn't be bothered argueing it again but so you can look for yourself if you care. As for it being a "small niche" I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche. It doesn't mean its not, just that the boards don't reflect what you think.

So you believe that 38% out of 144 votes in a poll at a site with over a million members actually indicates it's NOT an extremely miniscule niche group?

 

Okies

38% is the key there. Doesn't matter how many there are only if they express there opinion in a vote. I also said "I would think that'd be the case" reffering to it being a niche but with the % of people posting the forums don't suggest it is a niche. I also said "it doesn't mean its not." 

Hagon you really are a fool

EDIT Also that 38% is just people who say that they wouldn't even try the game, an additional 24% say it decreases there interest but they'd still try it

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by lornj

not having ship interiors at the beginning of this game isnt going to ruin it for me. they are going to put those in at some point im sure. also there will be some interior stuff at the beginning anyway. this arguement sounds like it includes a small niche of players anyway. is there an aweful lot of people that want to be an engineer as part of a player crew and just sit there and mash one button? doubtful. who doesnt want to be captain of their own starship?

 

I don't blame you for not reading the entire thread dedicated to players crews as they have now dragged on forever but those arguements have already been raised and argued. I'm telling you this because I couldn't be bothered argueing it again but so you can look for yourself if you care. As for it being a "small niche" I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche. It doesn't mean its not, just that the boards don't reflect what you think.

So you believe that 38% out of 144 votes in a poll at a site with over a million members actually indicates it's NOT an extremely miniscule niche group?

 

Okies

 

 

Hagon you really are a fool

roflcopters

I'm not the one trying to tout this poll as meaning anything other than only a very very tiny amount of people care one way or the other. hahahahaha

You just made my day.

Thanks man! :D

Originally posted by Hagonbok

roflcopters

 

I'm not the one trying to tout this poll as meaning anything other than only a very very tiny amount of people care one way or the other. hahahahaha

 

You just made my day.

 

Thanks man! :D

You just prove my point that you are a fool. Try quoting the entire thing I posted. Infact try reading it first. I don't say its meaningful at all. I just state that from the only figures available on this site it doesn't suggest its a niche. I actually do repeat myself and say "I'd think that'd be the case" reffering to it being a niche and "it doesn't mean its not" a niche just because of the poll. So I'm glad I made your day, I'm guessing a shiny object could of done the same but you really should learn to read.

"I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche."

Maybe if you actually knew how to write people could read it. ;)

lulz

Originally posted by Hagonbok

"I would think that be the case however the boards here don't suggest its that it is a niche."

Maybe if you actually knew how to write people could read it. ;)

 

lulz

Maybe if you weren't such a moron you would've realised I had made a typo. I had an extra "its" wow, but that still doesn't excuse it. I wrote the point three times before you actually even picked that up. If you really couldn't see that simple mistake and didn't understand than you could've the next two times I posted. The fact is you've got nothing, the only defense you have to being called a fool is by digging up a typo of mine. You make a BS claim about me, I show you how untrue it is and you respond with a typo. Good one, you don't know when to quit do you.

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by Salvatoris 

I think it speaks volumes about the type of game they are making.  It's going to be an action MMO, and probably won't have the kind of depth it would take to keep me interested for too long.  Unfortunately, I think the same thing will be true for the Star Wars MMO.

 

I agree, if it were as simple as not having ship interiors it wouldn't have bothered me but theres lots of gameplay options that cannot be realized if you cannot even walk inside your ship and as you said it says alot of the type of game they are making. As for the new Star Wars MMO I didn't expect anything from that but I thought star trek may indeed offer some more depth. It just seems like it'll be dumbed down eve with some quest on planets.

Except players will be walking around ships in episodes where doing so is relevant to the story being told. Please go and learn something about the game. Thanks.

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

Originally posted by sanedor

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

I remember someone said "the first thing I learned from these forums is to ignore the guy with the big red banner" I think that is good advice for us all

Originally posted by sanedor

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

Yes, because I agree with their decisions on two issues I'm just a mindless fanboi.

Oh, and ozmommyineedeveryonetoagreewithme, maybe try taking a deep breath. people don't always agree. I guess your parents must not have told you that, but there it is. No need to go off the deep end over it mate. Maybe some meds will help? I dunno though....
 

Originally posted by Ghimpi

Originally posted by daarco

What do you mean with no interiors???

Isnt this suppose to be a sci-fi space MMO same  as SWG, and you cant be inside the ships?? How will they pull that of? Sounds weird to me.

 

I guess you've not heard of Eve Online then. ;)

This sin't Eve Online its StarTrek  more than 80% of all startrek was from inside a ship or station perspictive , I am not saying every person should have a ship to wander around but they do need to incorporate ship interiors into the game

Maybe something like ? well wow has Ironforge - Dalaran as major player hubs to sell , repair, craft, get quest ect ect  so why can't we have ships that are hubs  where you can wander around them do shopping chat , get quests , craft  & use the transporters to go of on adventures or travel on shuttles to far of wonders..

Just a thought

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by sanedor

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

Yes, because I agree with their decisions on two issues I'm just a mindless fanboi.

 

Oh, and ozmommyineedeveryonetoagreewithme, maybe try taking a deep breath. people don't always agree. I guess your parents must not have told you that, but there it is. No need to go off the deep end over it mate. Maybe some meds will help? I dunno though....
 

 

I never asked you to agree but its nice your giving me back my own advice to you. I've had to tell you that several times but the difference is I never "went off the deep end" because you disagreed. Its because your to busy with your preconceptions and to busy trying to twist peoples words to understand a simple point. I had to repeat myself three times and its not the first time something like this has happened with you. Its not just me who you end up bickering with too, its everyone with a different opinion. People including myself tried reasoning with you but you either ignore all the points but a typo or something else you can try to save face with rather than realizing why it is your always in these situations.

Originally posted by ozmono

Originally posted by Hagonbok

Originally posted by sanedor

Hag all you do in defend them, can we say major fanboy.. if they took out ships and added bikes you would think it was so great they where thinking out of the box..

but i will still try it, but hope they add it later ..

Yes, because I agree with their decisions on two issues I'm just a mindless fanboi.

 

Oh, and ozmommyineedeveryonetoagreewithme, maybe try taking a deep breath. people don't always agree. I guess your parents must not have told you that, but there it is. No need to go off the deep end over it mate. Maybe some meds will help? I dunno though....
 

 

 

I never asked you to agree but its nice your giving me back my own advice to you. I've had to tell you that several times but the difference is I never "went off the deep end" because you disagreed. Its because your to busy with your preconceptions and to busy trying to twist peoples words to understand a simple point. I had to repeat myself three times and its not the first time something like this has happened with you. Its not just me who you end up bickering with too, its everyone with a different opinion. People including myself tried reasoning with you but you either ignore all the points but a typo or something else you can try to save face with rather than realizing why it is your always in these situations.

Yes, you know lots about me alright, and your idea of people "reasoning" with me is that they tell me what I should think and believe, and for some reason I should just accept that they're right and I'm wrong. Just what world do you live in anyway? You do know that just because you type something into a post it doesn't mean you're right....right? Or do you? Actually, come to think of it, I get the feeling that you don't.   I've rebutted the "points" made, you just can't seem to accept that someone is doing that. In fact, it seems you're taking someone doing that as a personal affront and launching into personal attacks over it.

Get over it. I don't think ship interiors are very important at all. Big hairy deal. I'm not making the game. Why are you so worried about what I think? If you want to debate it, then fine, that's part of posting on a message forum like this. Leave your personal crap in the playground though ok?. Thanks.