Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by javac

all the features are there, just some of them could be improved a little, some of them a lot, others are better than expected.

 

are we talking about the features promised by Tasos in the past, or the features the website promises right now?

We are talking about that they delivered on what the vast majority of the target audience wanted to be included  in the game..

That has been very rare  in the past ..major features  has been cut  in games like PotBS (map travel instead of  real time sea travel), AoC (sieging) , WAR (four capitol cities and four careers from the launch features of the game cut out). ..

and then all DarkFalls major features are in the game .. 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by javac

all the features are there, just some of them could be improved a little, some of them a lot, others are better than expected.

 

are we talking about the features promised by Tasos in the past, or the features the website promises right now?

 

We are talking about that they delivered on what the vast majority of the target audience wanted to be included  in the game..

That has been very rare  in the past ..major features  has been cut  in games like PotBS (map travel), AoC (sieging) , WAR ..

and then all DarkFalls major features are in the game .. 

im asking again, as the question apparently is a bit confusing.

are we talking about the promised features?

ps. i dont care what other games have done/havent done. this is about darkfall.

Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by javac

all the features are there, just some of them could be improved a little, some of them a lot, others are better than expected.

 

are we talking about the features promised by Tasos in the past, or the features the website promises right now?

 

We are talking about that they delivered on what the vast majority of the target audience wanted to be included  in the game..

That has been very rare  in the past ..major features  has been cut  in games like PotBS (map travel), AoC (sieging) , WAR ..

and then all DarkFalls major features are in the game .. 

im asking again, as the question apparently is a bit confusing.

are we talking about the promised features?

 

ps. i dont care what other games have done/havent done. this is about darkfall.

Be more specific.. are you talking about promised things like  "grass and leafs sway in the wind" ..and now only leafs sway in the wind  ..but grass sway in the wind has been left out ?

The leafs swaying  made it  as promised , the grass swaying  has been unfortunately  cut out..

No point in arguing with Darth, the game is perfect to him and he ll defend it no matter how bad it is. If he likes it well good for him but he and many can t argue theres alot missing as promised. The amount of people I know personally that are leaving the game and wished they listened to me since I tested is quite outstanding. Hell I know about 15 people alone that bought the game and played the wait game, and all but 1 are leaving. This is due to the boredom thats starting to settle in with the lack of a deep game. Every single one says it s a shell of a game, just as I told them in the first place.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by gruminator

Originally posted by javac

all the features are there, just some of them could be improved a little, some of them a lot, others are better than expected.

 

are we talking about the features promised by Tasos in the past, or the features the website promises right now?

 

We are talking about that they delivered on what the vast majority of the target audience wanted to be included  in the game..

That has been very rare  in the past ..major features  has been cut  in games like PotBS (map travel), AoC (sieging) , WAR ..

and then all DarkFalls major features are in the game .. 

im asking again, as the question apparently is a bit confusing.

are we talking about the promised features?

 

ps. i dont care what other games have done/havent done. this is about darkfall.

 

Be more specific.. are you talking about promised things like  "grass and leafs sway in the wind" ..and now only leafs sway in the wind  ..but grass sway in the wind has been left out ?

The lefs made it , the grass has been cut out..

housing, prestige classes, player to player learning among other things, are they ingame as promised?

Originally posted by Leucent

No point in arguing with Darth, the game is perfect to him and he ll defend it no matter how bad it is. If he likes it well good for him but he and many can t argue theres alot missing as promised. The amount of people I know personally that are leaving the game and wished they listened to me since I tested is quite outstanding. Hell I know about 15 people alone that bought the game and played the wait game, and all but 1 are leaving. This is due to the boredom thats starting to settle in with the lack of a deep game. Every single one says it s a shell of a game, just as I told them in the first place.

I have made the opposite experience..every clan mate stays so far  and wish we others can join as sson as possible. Where those who left in a clan ?  or players who prefer to solo ? 

Guys you can't beat this game. Nothing can beat darkfall's massive combat system. Now go to AoC devs and give them their first pizza hut assignment and of course an ABBA Record!

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Leucent

No point in arguing with Darth, the game is perfect to him and he ll defend it no matter how bad it is. If he likes it well good for him but he and many can t argue theres alot missing as promised. The amount of people I know personally that are leaving the game and wished they listened to me since I tested is quite outstanding. Hell I know about 15 people alone that bought the game and played the wait game, and all but 1 are leaving. This is due to the boredom thats starting to settle in with the lack of a deep game. Every single one says it s a shell of a game, just as I told them in the first place.

 

I have made the opposite experience..every clan mate stays so far  and wish we others can join as sson as possible. Where those who left in a clan ?  or players who prefer to solo ? 

You had a different experience because you refuse to admit that DF isnt nearly what Tasos promised it would be. The majority of your arguments for DF are baseless "facts" that you pretty much have made up to skirt the problems of DF. You argue valid points using a mixture of barely understandable rhetoric and semantics. So long as you dont have to admit you were wrong, you are fine right?

Originally posted by Arcken

You had a different experience because you refuse to admit that DF isnt nearly what Tasos promised it would be.

Why is someone's personal preference and opinion wrong to you? He likes the game and his clan likes the game. You're telling him he's wrong for liking it. Do you guys actually read the stuff you type?

I mean, seriously. People post that they like the game and are having fun, and there is a zealous group that has to convince people that they only think they are having fun because they are blinded by their fanboism. It's as if you are enraged by the fact that people are having fun playing a game that you don't like. If you didn't find it fun, no one else should?

Get help, bro. :)

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Arcken

You had a different experience because you refuse to admit that DF isnt nearly what Tasos promised it would be.

 

Why is someone's personal preference and opinion wrong to you? He likes the game and his clan likes the game. You're telling him he's wrong for liking it. Do you guys actually read the stuff you type?

I mean, seriously. People post that they like the game and are having fun, and there is a zealous group that has to convince people that they only think they are having fun because they are blinded by their fanboism. It's as if you are enraged by the fact that people are having fun playing a game that you don't like. If you didn't find it fun, no one else should?

 

Get help, bro. :)

 

 

Has nothing to do with a preference, it has everything to do with skewed perception. You can make anything sound  great if you are selective about how you present it to people. This is exactly what Aventurine has done and the fans have followed suit.
 

Certainly everyone knows DR's unfailing loyalty is the stuff of legend. He has an easy greasy answer for any criticism, and he reminds me of AmazingAvery and the whole AoC debacle. If you are going to blindly support an inferior product you might as well be part of the overall scam as it were. All this talk about it being this great game that was going to be like no other, and sadly its just like every other.

All hype and promises, followed by more of the same old disappointment in whats been comin out as of late.

I dont begrudge people liking the game, however what does irritate me to no end is to hear someone try to sell it without being honest about it.

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Leucent

No point in arguing with Darth, the game is perfect to him and he ll defend it no matter how bad it is. If he likes it well good for him but he and many can t argue theres alot missing as promised. The amount of people I know personally that are leaving the game and wished they listened to me since I tested is quite outstanding. Hell I know about 15 people alone that bought the game and played the wait game, and all but 1 are leaving. This is due to the boredom thats starting to settle in with the lack of a deep game. Every single one says it s a shell of a game, just as I told them in the first place.

 

I have made the opposite experience..every clan mate stays so far  and wish we others can join as sson as possible. Where those who left in a clan ?  or players who prefer to solo ? 

 

You had a different experience because you refuse to admit that DF isnt nearly what Tasos promised it would be. The majority of your arguments for DF are baseless "facts" that you pretty much have made up to skirt the problems of DF. You argue valid points using a mixture of barely understandable rhetoric and semantics. So long as you dont have to admit you were wrong, you are fine right?

Your points are irrelevant to the fact that I think this is the best mmo gurrently on the market.

May not be your cup o' tea, but that's not really an issue to me and many others, currently playing the game.

There are some that are pehaps a bit shell-shocked, but that was to be expected.

The foundation of this game is solid. 

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Arcken

You had a different experience because you refuse to admit that DF isnt nearly what Tasos promised it would be.

 

Why is someone's personal preference and opinion wrong to you? He likes the game and his clan likes the game. You're telling him he's wrong for liking it. Do you guys actually read the stuff you type?

I mean, seriously. People post that they like the game and are having fun, and there is a zealous group that has to convince people that they only think they are having fun because they are blinded by their fanboism. It's as if you are enraged by the fact that people are having fun playing a game that you don't like. If you didn't find it fun, no one else should?

 

Get help, bro. :)

 

 

Has nothing to do with a preference, it has everything to do with skewed perception. You can make anything sound  great if you are selective about how you present it to people. This is exactly what Aventurine has done and the fans have followed suit.
 

Certainly everyone knows DR's unfailing loyalty is the stuff of legend. He has an easy greasy answer for any criticism, and he reminds me of AmazingAvery and the whole AoC debacle. If you are going to blindly support an inferior product you might as well be part of the overall scam as it were. All this talk about it being this great game that was going to be like no other, and sadly its just like every other.

All hype and promises, followed by more of the same old disappointment in whats been comin out as of late.

I dont begrudge people liking the game, however what does irritate me to no end is to hear someone try to sell it without being honest about it.

I have a question for anyone with a decent answer.

Can you draw me a line of where "I had some good experiences with this game and I would like to share them with other people on the forum section of the game" ends and where "this game is crap but I will twist it to sound good so that more people can buy it" begins?

Seriously, is it even possible to share your fun times with a game without sounding like you are trying to sell it?

If so, please define the dividing line for me and also post an example of Darkfall if you can, an example that would transfer the excitement of the player while avoiding to attract people that would not actually like the game's/company's concept or faults.

This question is not necessarily directed to the person I'm quoting, but rather anyone with a similar opinion.

That video looks great in HD.. Watching them come out of that fort in the beginning on all those mounts.. nice.

Once again, another video that looks stable and battle doesn't look choppy and laggy. Most everyone I've seen lately shows an extremely stable game. This game has a lot of potential and I wonder how much improved it will be in six months.

Nice link OP.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I just see a game that has the graphics of over 10 years old and a poor art style that attracts noone who has taste. Like i just think why would anyone want to invest in a world that is more boring than our own? Like I can have more fun watching the chips i put in the Oven cook.

 

Arf, I know it`s hard to understand, but I`ll try to explain. It`s like when you are jerking off using a  picture of a nude beautiful woman, we are having fun with the girl nextdoor.

And then you find out the true and wonderful meaning of the word Herpes.

Originally posted by girlgeek

Okay well...from a female perspective, that's just gross...but whatever.

I think the video looked like a bunch of people having a great time raiding an opponent's city.  What on earth could be wrong with THAt?  I have to agree that the graphics look ancient, and I do love me some great graphics, however.....if the gameplay sucks, the graphics start to not matter so much.  Conversely, if the gameplay is FUN.....simply FUN....lackluster graphics (and many other things) can really easily be overlooked.

FFS....we thought PONG was a blast back in the day.  I mean seriously....we had two player controlled lines and a bouncing "blip."  And we had a blast playing it!  This is far far far beyond THAT graphically!  LOL

I'm really happy that those who like the type of game that DF is....have a place to play it, and play it happily.  Every game that caters to ANY part of the gaming market and makes some percentage of players happy....is a good thing.  Isn't having FUN the point?

I don't remember Pong being advertised as a 3d game, or the ability to do things it didn't do. Most of the hate can be avoided if those people are prepared in advance. I mean, would you be angry at Pong for not having player housing? Would you be angry if they did in fact advertise housing in Pong but never implemented it? Those are key issues why there are so many angry people hating DF and AV

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Originally posted by jimmyman99

I don't remember Pong being advertised as a 3d game, or the ability to do things it didn't do. Most of the hate can be avoided if those people are prepared in advance. I mean, would you be angry at Pong for not having player housing? Would you be angry if they did in fact advertise housing in Pong but never implemented it? Those are key issues why there are so many angry people hating DF and AV

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While this would be true for customers who paid for Pong after being told this was in it and they didn't deliver, there is one key difference between that and most of the haters you see posting with anger. Most of the people in this thread, and throughout the DF forums have not even bought the game yet, so why are some of them "angry"? Take a look right now. See how many of these people actually bought the game and have played it who posted in this thread. So far, the only thing those people should be mad at is not being ABLE to buy it... which would presuppose these same people slamming the game so hard actually wanted to buy it in the first place; which is a silly proposition because they don't, according to their own words.

Look at the histories of half the people with the hate posts, and they have not even played the game yet. There only seems to be about 5-10% of the actual people who bought Darkfall upset that they were lied to about the features. The rest of the people shouting here are just part of a mob, who are simply having fun while ranting around saying "Don't buy it, it sucks".

Look at some of the threads started in this forum and you see it was from people who before the game released, said Darkfall would never launch or fail hard if it did. Now they are creating fake accounts to make posts pretending to be actual fans of Darkfall and insulting people who simply say "I didn't like the game, but its not bad." Their whole agenda is to cause in-fighting pretending to be a DF fan with WoW, WAR and AoC people by saying "you suck, L2P, you're not hardcore enough, carebear" and whatever else they can use to get people fighting amongst themselves, and then they move onto the WoW or AoC forums to do the same in reverse. I am extremely surprised the moderators here are allowing this, when anyone can see these guys are clearly trolling... and trolling hard to cause these fights.

It's one thing to pay for the product, TRY IT, then come onto the forums and blast the game to holy hell. No one would deny someone the chance to air a legit grievance. But to blast it before it launches, never attempt to buy it at all, make it clear you have no intentions of EVER buying it, and then be allowed to blast away daily for sport is rather childish. They have no reason to be angry and hateful other than a game that they had hoped would fail to launch... actually launched and most who are playing it right now say it's not as bad as they thought it would be and it's fairly fun.

It is good you said "hate", because that's exactly what this is. It isn't just a difference of opinion or "if they'd just implement this, the game would be so much enjoyable", or even them posting critical in an attempt to make the game better.

It's sheer, unadulterated, dripping hate.

 Impressive numbers of attackers. And thats its really.

• Where are the defenders ?
• Animation is still awful 
• Combat is still left click mash a thon for the brain dead
• I love the jumping of the mounts on the spot. Really hate the physics in this game.
• Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.

Sorry guys but given AV still got their wonderfully long and*misleading* list of features  on there website, even the numbers in this video does not make up for the lies around this game. Impressive number of people though. Paves the way for a company with some integrity to produce a more deep and truthful MMO.

Originally posted by tombear81

• Where are the defenders ?  They got suprprised and didn't organized numbers ? They had controversial discussiojn with allies  about the support and allies stayed away? allies betrayed them and left them alone ? various reasons why not so much of the force defending. 
• Animation is still awful  Very subjective as of which importance animation have even if that what you say is true..for the players involved that experience was  different then  yours ..you just like watched a movie , they playing and may give a shit about whats important for your eye. 
• Combat is still left click mash a thon for the brain dead. You have to accept diffenrent combat mechanics. No one say you should hold them for good but there exist combat styles with an attack button and a crosshair, it happens its bound to left mouse button , if you dislike it you can switch it.  But you have to stomach there are combat games using an attack button and a crosshair to aim ..also you misslead people cause its possible to change your current skill /spell used by clicking a different button then the attack button  at any point as you wish ..
• I love the jumping of the mounts on the spot. Really hate the physics in this game.  Like i said you judge like watching a movie as spectator , i think  the players like the aditionally fucntionality of the jump in certain situations when its there to use .. On some scenes they do that just for fun ..and that is something that  raises excitement if you ask me.. 
• Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.  its just a game ...the bags are full sometimes too with tons of things..its too tiny for a point yet
  

 

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Originally posted by tombear81
Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.

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Name some MMOs where you cannot swim in Heavy Armor. If you can name three, you win.

If not, your point is pointless.

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

It was CotP and VG    vs   The Hyperion Alliance

We had roughly 60-80 people Hyperion had roughly 250-300 people. It's kind of hard to judge the exact numbers though.

There was also an attack from a seperate alliance on CotP's city nearly at the same time with another 60-80 attackers. So we had to defend both cities. VG's alliance most definately did not bail on them, we were simply outnumbered and also had to defend our own city. A few other guilds did show up such as AGONY, Covenant of the Swords, Covert Operarions, and KGB to assist.

It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

`Ex

Originally posted by popinjay

 

If they advertised Pong as having housing, and I had not yet purchased the game, why would I be angry and hateful? I'd simply NOT purchase the game, lol.

 

 

While this would be true for customers who paid for Pong after being told this was in it and they didn't deliver, there is one key difference between that and most of the haters you see posting with anger. Most of the people in this thread, and throughout the DF forums have not even bought the game yet, so why are some of them "angry"? Take a look right now. See how many of these people actually bought the game and have played it who posted in this thread. So far, the only thing those people should be mad at is not being ABLE to buy it... which would presuppose these same people slamming the game so hard actually wanted to buy it in the first place; which is a silly proposition because they don't, according to their own words.

 

Look at the histories of half the people with the hate posts, and they have not even played the game yet. There only seems to be about 5-10% of the actual people who bought Darkfall upset that they were lied to about the features. The rest of the people shouting here are just part of a mob, who are simply having fun while ranting around saying "Don't buy it, it sucks".

 

Look at some of the threads started in this forum and you see it was from people who before the game released, said Darkfall would never launch or fail hard if it did. Now they are creating fake accounts to make posts pretending to be actual fans of Darkfall and insulting people who simply say "I didn't like the game, but its not bad." Their whole agenda is to cause in-fighting pretending to be a DF fan with WoW, WAR and AoC people by saying "you suck, L2P, you're not hardcore enough, carebear" and whatever else they can use to get people fighting amongst themselves, and then they move onto the WoW or AoC forums to do the same in reverse. I am extremely surprised the moderators here are allowing this, when anyone can see these guys are clearly trolling... and trolling hard to cause these fights.

 

It's one thing to pay for the product, TRY IT, then come onto the forums and blast the game to holy hell. No one would deny someone the chance to air a legit grievance. But to blast it before it launches, never attempt to buy it at all, make it clear you have no intentions of EVER buying it, and then be allowed to blast away daily for sport is rather childish. They have no reason to be angry and hateful other than a game that they had hoped would fail to launch... actually launched and most who are playing it right now say it's not as bad as they thought it would be and it's fairly fun.

 

It is good you said "hate", because that's exactly what this is. It isn't just a difference of opinion or "if they'd just implement this, the game would be so much enjoyable", or even them posting critical in an attempt to make the game better.

 

It's sheer, unadulterated, dripping hate.

Oh my god Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?

I  like darkfall. I betatested it for a few months, and I don`t mind that a PvE player dislike Darkfall. The problem with the trolls is that I don`t know what mmo they like or play. Just look at the posting history of Jimmyman99, 190 of his last 200 post in here is flaming Darkfall. This is what I know of his mmo career.

"WoW is great and all, but I believe its time to raise a bar a little bit."

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2560406#2560406

And his newbie EVE playing.

"I was stuck doing missions in 0.5 or above, mining or hunting in the same area. Couple of times i dared to go into 0.4 or lower and half the time people tried to get a lock on me - so I ran :( The question is, could any1 recommend me a corp that is large enough to control territory in low sec space, but not currently at war with half of the world and still accepting new members? I want to go through 0.4 and lower PvE first before I start PvPing (if ever)."
 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2582338#2582338 

This is the guy who gives advice in a FFA full-loot pvp mmo, and he might not even PvP in EvE.  Atleast he doesn`t hide behind numerous alts as the rest of the troll does. I do understand why they make alts, because almost all of them would never touch a pvp mmo.

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Originally posted by Hotjazz

Oh my good Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?
 

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Lol, sure for all the good it'll do you. I don't carry any weight around here, and it's highly unlikely that anyone cares about it anyways, for I've seen some folks I know to be very intelligent in postings falling right into a trap arguing with the troll believing the guy is actually a Darkfall fan. You can even show people in the thread they are getting trolled, but they can't see it. Someone said something bad about "their game" so they have to respond and say whatever game he said he likes sucks harder. So the troll gets the guy to hate the name of that game, then moves on leaving a slime covered trail to the next forum.

There are actual DF fan trolls, I've seen them running into forums like Aion bashing that before release. But again, you could pop history on these guys and see they were an actual trollfan with over a couple hundred posts backing DF.

But these guys here, they are such noob trolls and can't control their hate that they create these accounts with only 20 posts, so its not hard to look at and see 18 of those were anti-DF first, then they ran over to WAR to post two "THIS GAME IS THE SUXXOR!" posts, then they let them fight amongst themselves. A smarter troll (the better ones I've seen) build up their rep so you can't tell they were trolling. These noobs can't wait to "git hatin" so they jump right in.

Honestly I hate this game but ...

This video looked really good, except the melee combat (bad animation)

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Hotjazz

 

Oh my good Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?
 

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Lol, sure for all the good it'll do you. I don't carry any weight around here, and it's highly unlikely that anyone cares about it anyways, for I've seen some folks I know to be very intelligent in postings falling right into a trap arguing with the troll believing the guy is actually a Darkfall fan. You can even show people in the thread they are getting trolled, but they can't see it. Someone said something bad about "their game" so they have to respond and say whatever game he said he likes sucks harder. So the troll gets the guy to hate the name of that game, then moves on leaving a slime covered trail to the next forum.

 

There are actual DF fan trolls, I've seen them running into forums like Aion bashing that before release. But again, you could pop history on these guys and see they were an actual trollfan with over a couple hundred posts backing DF.

 

But these guys here, they are such noob trolls and can't control their hate that they create these accounts with only 20 posts, so its not hard to look at and see 18 of those were anti-DF first, then they ran over to WAR to post two "THIS GAME IS THE SUXXOR!" posts, then they let them fight amongst themselves. A smarter troll (the better ones I've seen) build up their rep so you can't tell they were trolling. These noobs can't wait to "git hatin" so they jump right in.

the problem is, even if a person have made the most thought-out post in the history of manking, some of the fans of darkfall will attack that post if its not a blind praise of the game.

any post with criticism (constructive or not) will be trolled by the same fan indivivuals who cant see any flaws in the game.

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

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It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

 

`Ex

Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?

That is some really broken game mechanics.

5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?