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Originally posted by jimmyman99

I don't remember Pong being advertised as a 3d game, or the ability to do things it didn't do. Most of the hate can be avoided if those people are prepared in advance. I mean, would you be angry at Pong for not having player housing? Would you be angry if they did in fact advertise housing in Pong but never implemented it? Those are key issues why there are so many angry people hating DF and AV

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While this would be true for customers who paid for Pong after being told this was in it and they didn't deliver, there is one key difference between that and most of the haters you see posting with anger. Most of the people in this thread, and throughout the DF forums have not even bought the game yet, so why are some of them "angry"? Take a look right now. See how many of these people actually bought the game and have played it who posted in this thread. So far, the only thing those people should be mad at is not being ABLE to buy it... which would presuppose these same people slamming the game so hard actually wanted to buy it in the first place; which is a silly proposition because they don't, according to their own words.

Look at the histories of half the people with the hate posts, and they have not even played the game yet. There only seems to be about 5-10% of the actual people who bought Darkfall upset that they were lied to about the features. The rest of the people shouting here are just part of a mob, who are simply having fun while ranting around saying "Don't buy it, it sucks".

Look at some of the threads started in this forum and you see it was from people who before the game released, said Darkfall would never launch or fail hard if it did. Now they are creating fake accounts to make posts pretending to be actual fans of Darkfall and insulting people who simply say "I didn't like the game, but its not bad." Their whole agenda is to cause in-fighting pretending to be a DF fan with WoW, WAR and AoC people by saying "you suck, L2P, you're not hardcore enough, carebear" and whatever else they can use to get people fighting amongst themselves, and then they move onto the WoW or AoC forums to do the same in reverse. I am extremely surprised the moderators here are allowing this, when anyone can see these guys are clearly trolling... and trolling hard to cause these fights.

It's one thing to pay for the product, TRY IT, then come onto the forums and blast the game to holy hell. No one would deny someone the chance to air a legit grievance. But to blast it before it launches, never attempt to buy it at all, make it clear you have no intentions of EVER buying it, and then be allowed to blast away daily for sport is rather childish. They have no reason to be angry and hateful other than a game that they had hoped would fail to launch... actually launched and most who are playing it right now say it's not as bad as they thought it would be and it's fairly fun.

It is good you said "hate", because that's exactly what this is. It isn't just a difference of opinion or "if they'd just implement this, the game would be so much enjoyable", or even them posting critical in an attempt to make the game better.

It's sheer, unadulterated, dripping hate.

 Impressive numbers of attackers. And thats its really.

• Where are the defenders ?
• Animation is still awful 
• Combat is still left click mash a thon for the brain dead
• I love the jumping of the mounts on the spot. Really hate the physics in this game.
• Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.

Sorry guys but given AV still got their wonderfully long and*misleading* list of features  on there website, even the numbers in this video does not make up for the lies around this game. Impressive number of people though. Paves the way for a company with some integrity to produce a more deep and truthful MMO.

Originally posted by tombear81

• Where are the defenders ?  They got suprprised and didn't organized numbers ? They had controversial discussiojn with allies  about the support and allies stayed away? allies betrayed them and left them alone ? various reasons why not so much of the force defending. 
• Animation is still awful  Very subjective as of which importance animation have even if that what you say is true..for the players involved that experience was  different then  yours ..you just like watched a movie , they playing and may give a shit about whats important for your eye. 
• Combat is still left click mash a thon for the brain dead. You have to accept diffenrent combat mechanics. No one say you should hold them for good but there exist combat styles with an attack button and a crosshair, it happens its bound to left mouse button , if you dislike it you can switch it.  But you have to stomach there are combat games using an attack button and a crosshair to aim ..also you misslead people cause its possible to change your current skill /spell used by clicking a different button then the attack button  at any point as you wish ..
• I love the jumping of the mounts on the spot. Really hate the physics in this game.  Like i said you judge like watching a movie as spectator , i think  the players like the aditionally fucntionality of the jump in certain situations when its there to use .. On some scenes they do that just for fun ..and that is something that  raises excitement if you ask me.. 
• Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.  its just a game ...the bags are full sometimes too with tons of things..its too tiny for a point yet
  

 

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Originally posted by tombear81
Again swimming in heavy armour. Just sats it all for this game strategic nature.

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Name some MMOs where you cannot swim in Heavy Armor. If you can name three, you win.

If not, your point is pointless.

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

It was CotP and VG    vs   The Hyperion Alliance

We had roughly 60-80 people Hyperion had roughly 250-300 people. It's kind of hard to judge the exact numbers though.

There was also an attack from a seperate alliance on CotP's city nearly at the same time with another 60-80 attackers. So we had to defend both cities. VG's alliance most definately did not bail on them, we were simply outnumbered and also had to defend our own city. A few other guilds did show up such as AGONY, Covenant of the Swords, Covert Operarions, and KGB to assist.

It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

If they advertised Pong as having housing, and I had not yet purchased the game, why would I be angry and hateful? I'd simply NOT purchase the game, lol.

 

 

While this would be true for customers who paid for Pong after being told this was in it and they didn't deliver, there is one key difference between that and most of the haters you see posting with anger. Most of the people in this thread, and throughout the DF forums have not even bought the game yet, so why are some of them "angry"? Take a look right now. See how many of these people actually bought the game and have played it who posted in this thread. So far, the only thing those people should be mad at is not being ABLE to buy it... which would presuppose these same people slamming the game so hard actually wanted to buy it in the first place; which is a silly proposition because they don't, according to their own words.

 

Look at the histories of half the people with the hate posts, and they have not even played the game yet. There only seems to be about 5-10% of the actual people who bought Darkfall upset that they were lied to about the features. The rest of the people shouting here are just part of a mob, who are simply having fun while ranting around saying "Don't buy it, it sucks".

 

Look at some of the threads started in this forum and you see it was from people who before the game released, said Darkfall would never launch or fail hard if it did. Now they are creating fake accounts to make posts pretending to be actual fans of Darkfall and insulting people who simply say "I didn't like the game, but its not bad." Their whole agenda is to cause in-fighting pretending to be a DF fan with WoW, WAR and AoC people by saying "you suck, L2P, you're not hardcore enough, carebear" and whatever else they can use to get people fighting amongst themselves, and then they move onto the WoW or AoC forums to do the same in reverse. I am extremely surprised the moderators here are allowing this, when anyone can see these guys are clearly trolling... and trolling hard to cause these fights.

 

It's one thing to pay for the product, TRY IT, then come onto the forums and blast the game to holy hell. No one would deny someone the chance to air a legit grievance. But to blast it before it launches, never attempt to buy it at all, make it clear you have no intentions of EVER buying it, and then be allowed to blast away daily for sport is rather childish. They have no reason to be angry and hateful other than a game that they had hoped would fail to launch... actually launched and most who are playing it right now say it's not as bad as they thought it would be and it's fairly fun.

 

It is good you said "hate", because that's exactly what this is. It isn't just a difference of opinion or "if they'd just implement this, the game would be so much enjoyable", or even them posting critical in an attempt to make the game better.

 

It's sheer, unadulterated, dripping hate.

Oh my god Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?

I  like darkfall. I betatested it for a few months, and I don`t mind that a PvE player dislike Darkfall. The problem with the trolls is that I don`t know what mmo they like or play. Just look at the posting history of Jimmyman99, 190 of his last 200 post in here is flaming Darkfall. This is what I know of his mmo career.

"WoW is great and all, but I believe its time to raise a bar a little bit."

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2560406#2560406

And his newbie EVE playing.

"I was stuck doing missions in 0.5 or above, mining or hunting in the same area. Couple of times i dared to go into 0.4 or lower and half the time people tried to get a lock on me - so I ran :( The question is, could any1 recommend me a corp that is large enough to control territory in low sec space, but not currently at war with half of the world and still accepting new members? I want to go through 0.4 and lower PvE first before I start PvPing (if ever)."
 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2582338#2582338 

This is the guy who gives advice in a FFA full-loot pvp mmo, and he might not even PvP in EvE.  Atleast he doesn`t hide behind numerous alts as the rest of the troll does. I do understand why they make alts, because almost all of them would never touch a pvp mmo.

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Originally posted by Hotjazz

Oh my good Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?
 

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Lol, sure for all the good it'll do you. I don't carry any weight around here, and it's highly unlikely that anyone cares about it anyways, for I've seen some folks I know to be very intelligent in postings falling right into a trap arguing with the troll believing the guy is actually a Darkfall fan. You can even show people in the thread they are getting trolled, but they can't see it. Someone said something bad about "their game" so they have to respond and say whatever game he said he likes sucks harder. So the troll gets the guy to hate the name of that game, then moves on leaving a slime covered trail to the next forum.

There are actual DF fan trolls, I've seen them running into forums like Aion bashing that before release. But again, you could pop history on these guys and see they were an actual trollfan with over a couple hundred posts backing DF.

But these guys here, they are such noob trolls and can't control their hate that they create these accounts with only 20 posts, so its not hard to look at and see 18 of those were anti-DF first, then they ran over to WAR to post two "THIS GAME IS THE SUXXOR!" posts, then they let them fight amongst themselves. A smarter troll (the better ones I've seen) build up their rep so you can't tell they were trolling. These noobs can't wait to "git hatin" so they jump right in.

Honestly I hate this game but ...

This video looked really good, except the melee combat (bad animation)

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by Hotjazz

 

Oh my good Popinjay, can I use this as a signature?
 

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Lol, sure for all the good it'll do you. I don't carry any weight around here, and it's highly unlikely that anyone cares about it anyways, for I've seen some folks I know to be very intelligent in postings falling right into a trap arguing with the troll believing the guy is actually a Darkfall fan. You can even show people in the thread they are getting trolled, but they can't see it. Someone said something bad about "their game" so they have to respond and say whatever game he said he likes sucks harder. So the troll gets the guy to hate the name of that game, then moves on leaving a slime covered trail to the next forum.

 

There are actual DF fan trolls, I've seen them running into forums like Aion bashing that before release. But again, you could pop history on these guys and see they were an actual trollfan with over a couple hundred posts backing DF.

 

But these guys here, they are such noob trolls and can't control their hate that they create these accounts with only 20 posts, so its not hard to look at and see 18 of those were anti-DF first, then they ran over to WAR to post two "THIS GAME IS THE SUXXOR!" posts, then they let them fight amongst themselves. A smarter troll (the better ones I've seen) build up their rep so you can't tell they were trolling. These noobs can't wait to "git hatin" so they jump right in.

the problem is, even if a person have made the most thought-out post in the history of manking, some of the fans of darkfall will attack that post if its not a blind praise of the game.

any post with criticism (constructive or not) will be trolled by the same fan indivivuals who cant see any flaws in the game.

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

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It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

 

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Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?

That is some really broken game mechanics.

5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

 ...................

It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

 

`Ex

 

Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?

That is some really broken game mechanics.

5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?

I guess it is just human nature to exaggerate when losing, there is no way to hold against bigger army if city has no gates, so it seems it was like 2:1 at best.

Only other way i see to hold your ground in 5:1 is that those outnumbered was supreme macroers and played 24/7 for weeks, so now their are pretty strong...

Originally posted by ElendilasX

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

 ...................

It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

 

`Ex

 

Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?

That is some really broken game mechanics.

5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?

 

I guess it is just human nature to exaggerate when losing, there is no way to hold against bigger army if city has no gates, so it seems it was like 2:1 at best.

Only other way i see to hold your ground in 5:1 is that those outnumbered was supreme macroers and played 24/7 for weeks, so now their are pretty strong...

 

So in a "skill" based game they are basically a higher LEVEL then the attackers so they could defend better.

Works for me since "skill based" is just another way to hide leveling up, in fact the 5 levels in this game....0-24, 25-49, 50-74, 75-99, 100.

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I just see a game that has the graphics of over 10 years old and a poor art style that attracts noone who has taste. Like i just think why would anyone want to invest in a world that is more boring than our own? Like I can have more fun watching the chips i put in the Oven cook.

No kidding.  These RPG fanbois obviously missed every awesome MMO and strategic FPS that has came out over the last 15 years.  This battle here was nothing but a zerg, cookie cutter characters all using the same weapon with nothing cool ever taking place.  A trained monkey could have been useful in that fight.

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.

 ...................

It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...

 

`Ex

 

Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?

That is some really broken game mechanics.

5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?

/sigh

The siege timer is 6 hours.  It's there so that instant city destruction can't take place.  I mean, you can always go in and kill everyone, but you can't take over a city just willy nilly on the spot.

So, the attackers initiate the siege, and then there is a phase where the attackers' city is vulnerable to destruction for 3 hours.  Once that time is over, the defender's city becomes vulnerable to destruction for 3 hours.

It takes most of those three hours to destroy a city at the moment, since all anyone is using are siege hammers... once people get warhulks, it's gonna be another story.

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Originally posted by phrank

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Originally posted by xsharkeyesx

I was at this fight on the defending side. Trust me there were defenders... but we were outnumbered something like 5:1.
 ...................
It was an interesting night that's for sure, considering the battle lasted from 12:00am until 6:00am on a weekday...
 
`Ex

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Wow sounds like so much fun, outnumbered 5 to 1 and it took the attackers over 6 hours to defeat you?
That is some really broken game mechanics.
5 to 1 numerical advantage even in real life they should have rolled over you especially since the cities DON'T HAVE FRIGGING GATES so how did you keep them out?

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No it wasn't 5 to 1. Just 3 to 1 (I'm a VG member). And they couldn't beat us faster on account of some game mechanics. Alas AV have changed things since so if that siege would happen right now it could result much worse consequences for us. Hope we are now more prepared though...

Originally posted by Xaaa

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

I just see a game that has the graphics of over 10 years old and a poor art style that attracts noone who has taste. Like i just think why would anyone want to invest in a world that is more boring than our own? Like I can have more fun watching the chips i put in the Oven cook.

 

No kidding.  These RPG fanbois obviously missed every awesome MMO and strategic FPS that has came out over the last 15 years.  This battle here was nothing but a zerg, cookie cutter characters all using the same weapon with nothing cool ever taking place.  A trained monkey could have been useful in that fight.

sounds to me like you're both talking about WOW.

WOW has boxes for heads and gameplay that essentially consists of picking up sticks while some guy keeps throwing more sticks on the ground. everybody ends up with the exact same armour & weapon sets until they get dumped with more sticks to pick up at which point all their current shit is worthless. hmmm... great game.....

doesn't seem to affect its popularity nor people's "enjoyment" of it...