Your full of crap. I don't think they banned you. There mods are great. There are plenty of topics on there tht kinda dog em but they leave em there. One that is very popular is "So far what disappoints most about MO"

Originally posted by altairzq

Hope MO doesn't turn into a game for mindless fanatics like Darkfall.

By reading some of the posts in this thread alone, I'd say that this is a very valid concern.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Darkfall is not a failure.

It most definitely is not a success either.   Hopefully MO will be a much better game.

Originally posted by sartok

Your full of crap. I don't think they banned you.

All you have to do is look at any of my posts. It says banned next to my name.

that is pretty ridiculous!

much worse than darkfall mods, shock horror.

I'm thinking same thing but I would never say that because I want to get into beta. the lastest video does prove it isn't just claims they do at least have part of a great looking game and some of the best animations I've seen in an mmo.

Honestly speaking I wish I would have been on forums when that post was up I totally agree with it.... And for those of you who are saying the op is wrong in thinking that I disagree the op did not insult, bash, or flame he used examples of  "games that were going to revolutionize the market" but ended up doing shit.... tbh I plan on playing mortal online but so many games have been epic fail lately.....

Most of the people on here started following darkfall a year or two back when it started getting more popular and such, but I started following the news on it back in 02 or 03 every day I would get on the forums and post I knew quite a bit of people I was really exited for a game that was coming out "Mid summer next year" but it didnt and I stayed firm and held on visiting the df forums on and off for 6 years or so.... Finally to have the game come out and I cant manage to get a copy because there distribution is pretty epic fail, there are multiple bugs and glitchs the animations are pretty shitty, sounds are retro, Iv heard constant complaints about in game support and useless skills..... But dont worry guys the game is not a failure let me start off buy saying the Grfx in this game are amazing....

I honestly think that is where alot of mmo's are going wrong atm by uping the grfx so much, most people who play mmos are kids (Sure there are some older people but tbh mostly 14-20 year old kids) and not alot of these kids want to go and upgrade the grfx card in there computer for 300$ just to play your game with amazing grfx.... older grfx arnt as good looking but they are easy to play for most decent computers

Also small buisnesses just dont have the man power to do half the shit they promise I mean a good example of this shit is runescape most of you guys mock this game but it currently has like 50+ Staff members working on runescape content alot of those are grfx artists and they have that many people doing updates on little monthly shit for there game now how is a company of 30 people with no prior buisness in todays market suppose to make a "Massive and huge game world" with grfx like the ones we have seen so far and be out in the next 3-4 years?

It's not what you said, It's how you said it.

wowzers

i guess sweden doesn't ban you with a frown, instead a quiet smile

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Originally posted by ghoul31

I was permantly banned from the official forums. here was my post
 
"There have been a lot of small companies trying to make revolutionary sandbox pvp games. Dark and Light, Roma Victor, Mourning, Shadowbane and now Darkfall.
And they all have been failures. What makes you think this game will be any different? I don't think small companies have the resources to pull off a complete MMORPG."
 
I don't see anything banable in that. Its seems that the mods in that forum are even worse than the Darkfall forums. This isn't a good sign. It show sthat they have something to hide.
 

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 First off you were questioning the fact that they couldn't do it, while they are close to emerging in Beta, 2nd, these guys answering questions on the forums are the same ones making the game, they don't have time to answer stupid questions.

Originally posted by boomer0901

 

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Originally posted by ghoul31

 

I was permantly banned from the official forums. here was my post
 
"There have been a lot of small companies trying to make revolutionary sandbox pvp games. Dark and Light, Roma Victor, Mourning, Shadowbane and now Darkfall.
And they all have been failures. What makes you think this game will be any different? I don't think small companies have the resources to pull off a complete MMORPG."
 
I don't see anything banable in that. Its seems that the mods in that forum are even worse than the Darkfall forums. This isn't a good sign. It show sthat they have something to hide.
 

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 First off you were questioning the fact that they couldn't do it, while they are close to emerging in Beta, 2nd, these guys answering questions on the forums are the same ones making the game, they don't have time to answer stupid questions.

But actually the question was reasonable.

Hearing a good response is disired.

I have faith they can do it, but what do they have that the others didn't?

Originally posted by ghoul31

I was permantly banned from the official forums. here was my post

 

"There have been a lot of small companies trying to make revolutionary sandbox pvp games. Dark and Light, Roma Victor, Mourning, Shadowbane and now Darkfall.

And they all have been failures. What makes you think this game will be any different? I don't think small companies have the resources to pull off a complete MMORPG."

 

I don't see anything banable in that. Its seems that the mods in that forum are even worse than the Darkfall forums. This isn't a good sign. It show sthat they have something to hide.

 

Their are not many things thr at will get you banned on their forums. They are not like DF forum where you can use bad words or start racist threads about Obama or any one else ,no matter the culture or colour.Your post was pathetic and not needed so rather than have dumb people like you trying to neg the forum out,they decided to ban your ass with an IP block as well...LOL

Originally posted by Prominent

Okey, here are all the posts Ghoul31 wrote ....

Its alot of complains from Ghoul31. I think the moderator thought that he was just  creating alot of negative at the forum.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/search.php?searchid=118816

 

First post:

 

"I am disappointed. Shadowbane had lots of cool races. They had minotaurs, centaurs, vampires, Flying bird creatures, Flying demons, dwarves.

It seems that MMORPGS these days take 2 steps backward..."

 

Then he starts to complain on the full loot system (I can agree a little here).

Lastly he insinuate that Star Vault  will fail ...

 

"There have been a lot of small companies trying to make revolutionary sandbox pvp games. Dark and Light, Roma Victor, Mourning, Shadowbane and now Darkfall.

And they all have been failures. What..."

 

Just alot of negative posts and insinuating that Star Vault will fail .... I am not surprise he was banned.

I think that's spot on.

The OP is what I'd call a "Mr. Never Happy". Pressuring the developers, showing little respect, not giving the benefits of the doubt, criticizing what he sees as negative points ( while often it's just a matter of preference ), etc.. At the same time, he does not speak positively of the game or shows any interest in it, does not suggest that he'd buy it even if there are a few things he dislikes, etc..

Now look at it from the moderator's perspective: you've got somebody who's probably no longer a potential customer, who disrupts the community, spreads his doubts and pressures the developers. What are you gonna do ?

Good, that you been banned. Next time watch, what you write.

what the fuck people, he didn't write anything wrong

its a strong professional question, good luck to the companies who can't answer them

(not saying they can't answer that question, but they haven't.. and have hired mods that apparently ban if anyone asks)

 If he bothered to read the rules of the forums he would of known one of the biggest rules is not to flame other games as he did.  Take a poke threw the forums, they are kept very well, trolling is low and information is easy to find.  Hope they can keep that up 

You posted a question that has been posted way too many times. Did you search?

Because I'm working on this, that's why!

-Sebastion Persson

Dear OP, if you had taken some of your time to actually read about the game. Done your homework on whos creating the game and spent hours on reading swedish text with a dictionary on the little nifty pdf's, instead of posting that question. You could then see the radiance of this game that seeps out from the backlight of your screen , pulsating and mindbobbling combat that would leave the geeks screaming in pleasure.

-StJudas

Your viewpoint is stationed back away from emotion and consideration. There was absolutely nothing wrong, logically, with the question you asked and some of the responses to it were very well done.

It was heartless. Completely, and totally without consideration or care as to the emotions and feelings of the developers behind MO.

In the video game industry...Creators, designers, project managers, developers, and artists are all about emotion, hope, heart, and care... if they are worth their salt. Particularly if they are an independent company, semi-smallish, or just working off a dream.

There was no answer they, or anyone else, on that forum could have given you that would have adequately sufficed. Essentially, many of these individuals are running off of a hope or a dream. There is no logical, or correct answer to your question, nor will there ever be.

It would be like explain love to a machine.

Your question, post history, and general... feel... on the forums was the opposite of what the developers and fanbase have and desire.

So you were cut out like an unwanted growth. It might seem cold, heartless, and uncaring... but so was your question.

That is why you come here to MMORPG.com. Everyone is welcome here, regardless of how emotional or heartless you are.

For good, or for bad.

Originally posted by LiquidWolf

Because I'm working on this, that's why!

-Sebastion Persson

Dear OP, if you had taken some of your time to actually read about the game. Done your homework on whos creating the game and spent hours on reading swedish text with a dictionary on the little nifty pdf's, instead of posting that question. You could then see the radiance of this game that seeps out from the backlight of your screen , pulsating and mindbobbling combat that would leave the geeks screaming in pleasure.

-StJudas

 

Your viewpoint is stationed back away from emotion and consideration. There was absolutely nothing wrong, logically, with the question you asked and some of the responses to it were very well done.

Your question, post history, and general... feel... on the forums was the opposite of what the developers and fanbase have and desire.

[....]

So you were cut out like an unwanted growth. It might seem cold, heartless, and uncaring... but so was your question.

That is why you come here to MMORPG.com. Everyone is welcome here, regardless of how emotional or heartless you are.

For good, or for bad.

There is nothing cold or heartless with the OP's question.   The simplest of answers only needs to contain 1 or 2 lines with some insight on precautions of how they are limiting mistakes.   Just little one line statements that show they are taking an active approach is all it would take.

i.e.

-We plan to use all the phases of testing that the more established companies do.

-We have gotten lots of great help from Epic (game engine dev's) on ways to solve problemw we have been facing.

-As you all know we are opening up a beta server very soon, and have a huge list of items that we want our beta testers to test.

TBH, I was shocked when I read the comment by Mr. Persson. I thought only Tacos would make a comment like that.

It says nowhere here or on that site, that he was banned for making that particular post. He has provided no evidence that was the reason. For all anyone knows, he was harrassing other posters by email or harrassing staff with emails like the ones people have tacked on here asking more of "What makes you so sure this game won't fail like all the others?" questions. He has failed to show that the reason he was banned was for that remark alone. He is just assuming he made one post, (as most who are defending this is as well) they didn't like it, and they kicked him out.

What is everyone basing this on? If you get banned from a site, there is usually some evidence in your email as to why they banned you sent from them. Why hasn't he posted that as proof? We are asked to believe- You made one post which they didn't like and you got bumped for it... VS ...You have a history of critical postings about their game there and its survivability. People really believe this?

I also see nothing wrong with an official website of a game that is soon to be released clamping down early on posts such as that (I still feel that particular one paired with the others is ridiculous... almost needling) while they are in beta. A game has to have a good footing coming out of the door nowadays and they really don't need "Negative Nancy" types peppering officials, when they can come to third party sites and pose them.

"Interviews" such as that have their place, but not in that venue. I still believe there is more to this story than he made that single post, and then they say "Banned."

Something smells in Denmark.

Originally posted by Ruyn

Darkfall is not a failure.

And I am Billy Mayes would you like to buy this box of air? It is a super fantastic contraption that is able to hold millions of things at the same time. Can you think of something? Well it exists in this box. Please buy my box. Sorry my box does not exist and was only a metaphor for the lack of anything you will get when purchasing the air. Please send me money and I will get this high quality air to you right away.

Originally posted by ghoul31

I was permantly banned from the official forums. here was my post

 

"There have been a lot of small companies trying to make revolutionary sandbox pvp games. Dark and Light, Roma Victor, Mourning, Shadowbane and now Darkfall.

And they all have been failures. What makes you think this game will be any different? I don't think small companies have the resources to pull off a complete MMORPG."

 

I don't see anything banable in that. Its seems that the mods in that forum are even worse than the Darkfall forums. This isn't a good sign. It show sthat they have something to hide.

 

Well you ask for it, its your own fault.

Lets say they are ex mourning that dont mean they do same with this game and make a topic compare MO with other games that have failed is asking for trouble ona official forum.

Darkfall have not failed yet it maybe had a bad launch and only have 15k players but its still running people still all playing.

It will take a while before its more smooth and more servers and become a succes for a small indie company for nich market.

But Darkfall is not a failor.

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by JKnight1

. Disadants and criticisms are fine, but blatant mockery and disdain for the attempt at something cool and amazing with so little, is down right disgusting.

Shame on you.

 

I wasn't mocking them, I was simply asking a question.  And it was a legitimate question. I think you read waay to much into the question.

 

Well, to you, people can probably ask things however they want to and you don't care. However, not everyone thinks like you, so before you say anything you need to think about how you say it more than what you're saying.

Cutting out the entire first part of your question would've done wonders. For example, "Lately, it seems like sandbox games have not been doing that well. Is there anything in particular that makes MO different? I'm already aware of _________ or _________ feature, I just wanted to know if there was something more, or if the combination of ___________ and ___________ feature(s) is what makes the game different."

That way you don't sound arrogant, you sound curious and interested. "Other games like you failed, what makes you any better?" sounds rude and insulting.

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

 However, not everyone thinks like you, so before you say anything you need to think about how you say it more than what you're saying.

I know I could have worded it better. But I shouldn't have been permanently banned for it.

  In fact, someone just created a thread over there talking about how heavy handed the mods are.

www.mortalonline.com/forums/7462-rather-too-heavy-moderation.html

Originally posted by ghoul31

Originally posted by Bruticus_XI

 However, not everyone thinks like you, so before you say anything you need to think about how you say it more than what you're saying.

 

I know I could have worded it better. But I shouldn't have been permanently banned for it.

  In fact, someone just created a thread over there talking about how heavy handed the mods are.

 

www.mortalonline.com/forums/7462-rather-too-heavy-moderation.html

Moderation in MO forums is tight. Sometimes too tight for my personal likings. BUT, i prefer that 100 times better than the sad state Forumfall is in. Notice how this moderations has accomplished to create a civilized helpful community, and.. oh miracle... devoid of stupid fanboism.

That said, i repeat i think a permanent ban for your post is too harsh and not in the line of MO moderation, tight as it is, for what i have seen so far.

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Originally posted by JKnight1

It shows your lack of faith, lack of respect, and lack of maturity with the way you worded your question. A failure is a game that ultimately never made it, or died soon after. Darkfall has yet to be a failure. If they close the game down, then, and only then, is it a failure.
Your question reeks of disdain, rudeness, and overall contempt for the creativity, imagination, and desires of those who have it harder within the gaming industry. But it's those people who we count on to bring innovation, cretaivity, and originality to our favorite hobby. Without them we would have things like EA and Activision, pumping out expansions that look exactly like the predecessor, just prettier, or with NUMEROUS small expansions that add nothing more than a few new trinkets to the original game.
These small, innovative, underdog companies are the last hope we gamers have for anything remotely original or innovative. Without them, gaming would be simplistic, boring, and pointless, and ya may as well buy a pet rock, at least then, you can get a response from it.
So, to answer you, their banning of you is fully reasonable, because your attitude was not conducive to a creative and productive atmosphere. Disadants and criticisms are fine, but blatant mockery and disdain for the attempt at something cool and amazing with so little, is down right disgusting.
Shame on you.

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 'Lack of faith?' You can be banned now from discussion of games for 'lack of faith'?