Originally posted by acephaloid

Originally posted by Bonemane

There's really no reason to raise the prices at all.

 

Yes there is. You're totally wrong.

Inflation affects EVERYTHING in an economy. Just because you've already built your company, hired your staff and bought your servers does not mean that your costs will never rise. When your costs rise what are you going to do? Lose money?

Really?

ALL games will increase in price over time because EVERYTHING increases in cost over time. Within a recession it's just accelerated.

 

No offense but some people just wait for doomsday until they get their heads out of their butts. I agree with you that inflation affects everything, but they don't happen instantaneously. It's like a domino effect to destruction. Nice and slow. Just wait now, but for the meantime why don't you prepare yourself by doing some case studies and relating this "inflation" to the one Jagex is experiencing right now?

Originally posted by Blissey

Just wait now, but for the meantime why don't you prepare yourself by doing some case studies and relating this "inflation" to the one Jagex is experiencing right now?

 

Ahhahahaha. I actually did laugh out loud. That was good.

So I don't understand your points. Any of you.

You seem to be implying that it is utterly unreasonable for a company to increase the price of its products and/or services and I would contend that it is not.

My point about the downturn in the economy is very simple. The cost of other goods and services has risen, thus companies have either to absorb those costs or raise theirs to avoid a fall in profits. Energy prices saw their biggest hike for years at the end of 2008. It's just one of the increases that a company like Jagex would have to absorb. There will be many others

Companies are entitled to make a profit and it is necessary for growth and sustainability. A company that makes no profit will not grow, and they will gradually decline as they are unable to find investors, recruit key personnel etc. etc.

When was that quote from Jagex released btw? Was it before the economy went tits up and the US plunged the rest of the world into a recession? Or was it after?

Either way, here in Britain the cost of living has been increasing over the past 12 months (as it always will), accelerating rapidly and alarmingly at the end of last year. Any business that has not adjusted rapidly to the current ecomonic climate has gone under. Thousands of jobs have been cut and many very established firms have gone bust.

If adding 95 cents or whatever to the cost of membership will prevent a company from going under AND will allow them to continue growing their products and services to secure their future then that is what they will do.

There is a choice to be had, customers may cancel their subscriptions and either go f2p or leave. No business takes the decision to increase the cost of their products lightly, as many of you seem to think. It is one of the riskiest things you can do, you can so easily lose out to your competitors and lose your customers, but if it has to be done, then it has to be done.

Here's the problem: Prices aren't going up. They're going down. The economy is in a nice downward spiral thanks to Bush, and with so many companies invested in the U.S., many other countries are following suit; some crashing even worse than the U.S.

So you claim the price of electricity is going up? Well, I can prove to you that your claim is simply a falsification intended to support your argument. Here's the proof:

Yes, it was going up, but right after they raised the price of Runescape, the prices crashed. If they in fact were in need of money because of prices, wouldn't they lower the rate after their electricity became affordable again?

We are in deflation, not inflation. Cut the constant talk about inflation, there is no more inflation.

Originally posted by acephaloid

So I don't understand your points. Any of you.

You seem to be implying that it is utterly unreasonable for a company to increase the price of its products and/or services and I would contend that it is not.

My point about the downturn in the economy is very simple. The cost of other goods and services has risen, thus companies have either to absorb those costs or raise theirs to avoid a fall in profits. Energy prices saw their biggest hike for years at the end of 2008. It's just one of the increases that a company like Jagex would have to absorb. There will be many others

Companies are entitled to make a profit and it is necessary for growth and sustainability. A company that makes no profit will not grow, and they will gradually decline as they are unable to find investors, recruit key personnel etc. etc.

When was that quote from Jagex released btw? Was it before the economy went tits up and the US plunged the rest of the world into a recession? Or was it after?

Either way, here in Britain the cost of living has been increasing over the past 12 months (as it always will), accelerating rapidly and alarmingly at the end of last year. Any business that has not adjusted rapidly to the current ecomonic climate has gone under. Thousands of jobs have been cut and many very established firms have gone bust.

If adding 95 cents or whatever to the cost of membership will prevent a company from going under AND will allow them to continue growing their products and services to secure their future then that is what they will do.

There is a choice to be had, customers may cancel their subscriptions and either go f2p or leave. No business takes the decision to increase the cost of their products lightly, as many of you seem to think. It is one of the riskiest things you can do, you can so easily lose out to your competitors and lose your customers, but if it has to be done, then it has to be done.

That seems logical..... I am not a proffesional at economics like you are so I cannot fully contradict or comprehend this statement. Anyway, I think Jagex will have to shut down in the near future once things get bad especially in the UK( where I used to live). When it happens that would be a great and most wonderful day. I expect more controversy.

Originally posted by Simiswimm

Here's the problem: Prices aren't going up. They're going down.

So you claim the price of electricity is going up? Well, I can prove to you that your claim is simply a falsification intended to support your argument. Here's the proof:

...

Yes, it was going up, but right after they raised the price of Runescape, the prices crashed. If they in fact were in need of money because of prices, wouldn't they lower the rate after their electricity became affordable again?

I live in the UK and my energy costs have risen, quite steeply actually. They haven't come down again despite the recent announced so-called cuts. This is because my tariffs are based on estimates, where I have to pay what the energy company demands I pay for an entire year and then they credit me/refund me at the end of the year for whatever energy I haven't used. The alternative is to be on a meter, where you pay-as-you-go, but that is vastly more expensive in the long run.

To get back on topic, I have no idea what system Jagex use but here's a massive leap that i'm going to take:

My theory - (btw this is just my theory, i don't have proof but I haven't found anything that disproves it either):

RS lost a shitload of players last year, more than expected. Jagex is still growing as a company and is currently producing a new massive game called MechScape which hasn't been released yet and is therefore unable to make them any money at all. They use the profits from RuneScape (and FunOrb if it has any ) and plough it directly into MechScape in the hope that it will be a good selling game in the future, but at the moment is just a money drain.

I don't think Jagex wanted to put the RS subscriptions up at all and that's why they made the statement they did that you quoted before, but something forced them to. I think it was a combination of bad ecomomic situation and losing so many RS players. If they hadn't raised prices at that time, there's a real chance that MechScape development would have had to be canned or delayed for a good long while - not ideal.

So they raised prices a bit. I understand that this really must have pissed off a lot of people, but I've got to be honest, it didn't affect me in any way that I actually noticed because the increase was so small compared to all the other massive increases that happened in this country slightly later on (if not at the same time), like the fact that petrol jumped up by an extra 20p a litre and food became really expensive.

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the price increase last year was the first time that prices had ever been raised in the game? I genuinely think that that is pretty good going. Most companies I deal with raise their prices annually, whether they've improved their services or not and as a customer i just have to accept it because I can't get an alternative product.

I can with RS though. If it becomes too expensive to play I've got other options as do the other players, I'm not being held to ransom and I can leave any time I want. Now, if only my water company worked the same way

Once again you are honest and your point is straight forward plus  you are experiencing it "first hand" so I totally believe you.

Well, that was a graph of the US electricity rates. I didn't really bother to look at other countries because I was short on time and pissed off at my school. Being that they are based in the UK I should have looked there first.

S'ok. no worries. I'm pretty interested in it anyway.

To tell the truth the more I consider it, the less I think that the stuff like the poor economic situation and such like had much of an impact on Jagex's decision to raise prices. It's more like they wanted/needed to do it anyway for a whole bunch of reasons and so they went ahead and did it and then I think people like me over-analysis the situation, needlessly.

Part of the problem is the whole damn secrecy surrounding everything thing that happens. I mean why can't they just say what's going on?

In other news, I'm sorry to hear about the bug-shittiness that has ruined your account and lost you all that dosh. I can only imagine how crap that must be.

I hope gift-trading comes in somehow, soon.

Originally posted by zword97

how lamer could this game get, they are increasing membership by .95 cents due to "inflation"...

lmao to all who play this....stop ,i found better things to do with the time i use to spend on this lame game

 

Also,Jagex and their staff members:

Find something better to with ur money and ur lifes

oh stfu sick of fuckin idiots like you think they know it all dont like the game dont fuckin play it thers plenty of games whos subscripton coasts are higher telling jagex members to get a life thats a laugh

$7 is not alot of money, but it's important that you know what your doing, and what your doing with that money.

Originally posted by bboneheadd

 

oh stfu sick of fuckin idiots like you think they know it all dont like the game dont fuckin play it thers plenty of games whos subscripton coasts are higher telling jagex members to get a life thats a laugh

Defending jagex is like defending a murderer that raped, and then killed your mother.

Originally posted by bboneheadd

Originally posted by zword97

how lamer could this game get, they are increasing membership by .95 cents due to "inflation"...

lmao to all who play this....stop ,i found better things to do with the time i use to spend on this lame game

 

Also,Jagex and their staff members:

Find something better to with ur money and ur lifes

 

oh stfu sick of fuckin idiots like you think they know it all dont like the game dont fuckin play it thers plenty of games whos subscripton coasts are higher telling jagex members to get a life thats a laugh

Wow thanks mods you really know how to do your jobs ;)

I get a couple posts deleted & warnings a month for posts more intelligent and with absolutely no cursing, but this guy gets away with this? This honestly makes me laugh at what a joke some of the mods on this site are.

Now that I think about it there's been other posts in the RS forum with atleast 12 curse words in them with people arguing that weren't deleted either.

Hey how's it going? I've been watching alot of Prank Calls lately and I plan on doing one to Jagex soon...just choosing the right soundboard to use lol.