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  Axxar

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3/12/09 7:03:14 AM#21

MMOs always release in a buggy state, and I don't see how it can be a surprise to anyone when SW:ToR releases and has bugs in it. Look at Blizzard even - they were always known for releasing very polished games (though not completely bug-free), until they released World of WarCraft. Big deal. MMOs release buggy and unfinished. Nothing new about that.

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  Ilvaldyr

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3/12/09 8:08:09 AM#22

I fully expect that we hear the traditional MMO-launch statement:

"The problems we had at release were due to us experiencing an unexpectedly high influx of players."

How fast they'll resolve whatever problems crop up; well I have considerable faith in Bioware as a company, and the game looks promising enough to "risk" playing it from launch, so I'll be there.


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  Bigdavo

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3/14/09 3:50:20 AM#23

A little early to be making guesswork about the games launch.

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  onlinenow225

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3/14/09 4:02:42 AM#24
Originally posted by Souldrainer

Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, Jade Empire, and Mass Effect were all awesome games, but let's face it, they had more than their fair share of bugs.  Sometimes KOTOR 1 would crash when you'd travel to other planets.  Baldur's gate was full of glitches and exploits.  Jade empire was a little smoother, but KOTOR 2 was very buggy.  I can't even get KOTOR 2 to run on some computers.  Mass Effect was no different.  These were all excellent games, but they had a lot of bugs.

Enter TOR.  This is going to be the company's first venture into the online realm, and the game will be massively hyped.  Expect another record breaking launch day game akin to AOC, WAR, and WOW.  Star Wars +MMO makes this inevitable. 

So, a company that has had a history of great, (yet imperfect), games is going to try to launch a Star Wars MMO with ZERO online hosting experience?  Expect problems.   Hypothetical:  if Blizzard were launching this game without drawing from WOW's mammoth profits, even they would have problems.

I am predicting a launch that has the following bullet points:

* Record breaking sales.

* Unplayable for 1-3 days after launch.

* Stuttering and extreme lag for the first month.

* Crashes and severe bugs which persist for the first 3 months.

Assuming for the sake of argument that this is  the launch we will see, will youl buy the game?

WAR had an incredible launch.  If it did not run for you that was most likly your own fault.

No I'm no WAR fanboi, i don't play it currently but it did have an incredibly smooth launch.

WAR can't even be compared to AOC's launch, and should not even be in the same sentence as each other regarding MMO launches.

Even with WoW's loot bug it cant even be compared to  AOC's atrocity of a launch.

 

And why would it not launch smooth?  The amount of fail in this topic is horrible.  You make claims about 1 game that had a great launch, another medium okay launch game, and a fail game.

 

With stating those 3 games, I really don't know if you think this game is going to fail or not.

 

  Loophole

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3/14/09 4:17:50 AM#25

Lately I haven't seen "past experience with MMOs" being any sort of guarantee that an MMO will be well-made. I'd sooner look at a company's full track record for quality in games, but with MMOs nothing is ever certain. And yes, fully agree with the guy a few posts above that said all MMOs launch with a fair share of problems. I don't understand why not more people have come to realize that by now.

Based on their previous games, I expect The Old Republic to be a relatively good game compared to how most MMOs are or were at the time they were released. The same for Aion and Blizzard's next MMO, whichever that will be.

  thexrated

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3/14/09 4:27:43 AM#26

"KOTOR 2 was very buggy. I can't even get KOTOR 2 to run on some computers."

I thought KOTOR 2 was made by Obsidian Entertainment and not Bioware.

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  Souldrainer

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OP  3/14/09 11:59:42 AM#27


Originally posted by onlinenow225
WAR had an incredible launch. If it did not run for you that was most likly your own fault.
No I'm no WAR fanboi, i don't play it currently but it did have an incredibly smooth launch.
WAR can't even be compared to AOC's launch, and should not even be in the same sentence as each other regarding MMO launches.
Even with WoW's loot bug it cant even be compared to AOC's atrocity of a launch.

And why would it not launch smooth? The amount of fail in this topic is horrible. You make claims about 1 game that had a great launch, another medium okay launch game, and a fail game.

With stating those 3 games, I really don't know if you think this game is going to fail or not.



All I said about WAR was that it had a record breaking launch. Last I checked, breaking records is a good thing. Please stop quoting out of context.



Originally posted by thexrated

"KOTOR 2 was very buggy. I can't even get KOTOR 2 to run on some computers."
I thought KOTOR 2 was made by Obsidian Entertainment and not Bioware.



Good catch. Bioware suggested that Obsidian should develop it, and they did. This doesn't really impact the overall argument, but it is a noteworthy fact.
 

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  Moaky07

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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

3/14/09 6:17:01 PM#28

My understanding is LA pushed Obsidion to launch at scheduled date although Obsid wanted more time.

That is why the bugs, and so much content that was planned was cut.

Which is saying something cause it is a pretty long game as is. Would of luved to of had the various content included(the HK factory most of all).

I believe the old Pres of LA has left now. His stance on "games must launch when agreed upon" is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Sometimes problems crop up in this area of entertainment. We see it all the time.

Folks are getting more and more set on "polished games". We are tired of being sold buggy chit, and there is no excuse for it in the first place.

Making a scheduled production date isnt worth putting out junk.. Sales are showing that, and hopefully all gaming companies are paying attention...although with a few ganes released lately it doesnt seem to be the case.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  Valentina

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3/14/09 9:32:28 PM#29

I think the launch will go relatively smoothly. No launch is ever perfect, but I have a feeling this one will go well.

  Tedly224

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3/15/09 4:26:50 AM#30

I'm pretty sure that this game will make buckets of money, but it's way, way too early to predict a sour launch.

Cryptic Studios and City of Heroes had a closed and open beta that is now more or less used as an industry standard for a "textbook" success of what an MMORPG should have. The game's launch was smooth as hell, but it didn't come as a surprise to anyone in the Beta Test 'cause they already saw for themselves that the programming was ready to go. The game was *so* successful with its launch that some rushed and successfully implimented Instancing of major city points was needed after the fact.

For this game? Save the predictions until the closed and open beta. Assuming they're smart enough to use an open beta stage for stress testing server loads. Predictions won't be needed at that point - the testers will be able to see and post for themselves if it's going to be a successful launch.

The testers for Horizons, Shadowbane, World of Warcraft, Star Wars Galaxies, and many others saw ahead of time what *their* launches were going to look like.

 

  _Shadowmage

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3/16/09 2:29:58 AM#31

A few things I think you should consider

- EA have experience hosting MMO's, and launching them - WAR launched pretty well.

- Bioware are not inventing their own tech - they have licensed a lot of tech from Simultronics for the game development, and Perpetual for the player management, billing, customer relationship management, game feature extension, load-balancing, lobby servicing, patching and community management.

- Also I think their games have shown a marked improvement from Baldurs Gate to Mass Effect in story telling, and less bugs. I certainly wouldnt be holding a game release 10+ years ago against them. I think they have come a long way since the days of Baldurs Gate.

I havent encountered any problems with Mass Effect.

So I expect the launch to be nothing like your prediction and will be buying the game.

  warpp

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3/16/09 4:00:19 AM#32
Originally posted by miagisan

* Record breaking sales. Agree

* Unplayable for 1-3 days after launch. Disagree....maybe the first day it will be, but bioware, with money from EA and LA breathing down their necks...no way it's going to stay down long

* Stuttering and extreme lag for the first month. Maybe in the main hubs or new player areas, but the worlds seem wide open enough where the rest of the area's this wont be the case

* Crashes and severe bugs which persist for the first 3 months. Disagree.....EA servers are going to be pretty good, they know this game is going to be big. And bugs? sorry but bioware and bugs rarely go hand in hand...most BW games are very bug free.

Assuming for the sake of argument that this is the launch we will see, will youl buy the game? Star Wars + Bioware + MMORPG ? just try to keep me away.

I agree with the above.

This will be bioware's baby and it will have a few bugs like every single mmorpg to date but it will still work from day one. There is  bugs and their is a damn right joke...Darkfall

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  DiTH

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3/16/09 4:14:18 AM#33
Originally posted by warpp
Originally posted by miagisan

* Record breaking sales. Agree

* Unplayable for 1-3 days after launch. Disagree....maybe the first day it will be, but bioware, with money from EA and LA breathing down their necks...no way it's going to stay down long

* Stuttering and extreme lag for the first month. Maybe in the main hubs or new player areas, but the worlds seem wide open enough where the rest of the area's this wont be the case

* Crashes and severe bugs which persist for the first 3 months. Disagree.....EA servers are going to be pretty good, they know this game is going to be big. And bugs? sorry but bioware and bugs rarely go hand in hand...most BW games are very bug free.

Assuming for the sake of argument that this is the launch we will see, will youl buy the game? Star Wars + Bioware + MMORPG ? just try to keep me away.

I agree with the above.

This will be bioware's baby and it will have a few bugs like every single mmorpg to date but it will still work from day one. There is  bugs and their is a damn right joke...Darkfall

 

I agree with these guys.The OP seems to making a HUGE mistake.

Does Bioware games have some glitches/bugs?SURE.

Is there a game ever made that has none?NOPE.

Does Bioware games have less glitches/bugs than most companies that make such huge games like Bioware?YEP.

There is no game ever created by anyone that it wont have bugs and glitches.Having played all games created by Bioware it seems that the ammount and especially the importance of the bugs in their games is really small compared to other companies.

I agree though with the online gaming that there will be some problems with the servers BUT even Darkfall had the servers running "stable" after 1 week so Bioware will surely make it.

 

 

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