I just thought that I'd point out that Mod Mark's new CEO role only seems to be a PR (Public Relations) stunt so far. Andrew Gower Geoff Iddison was "in command" when the following took place:

• Took away Free Trade.
• Took away PKing.
• Introduced the "Unlimited Store Stock"
• Added lots of ads
• Massive bans/mutes
• Raised game price
• Jagex seemed to ignore its customers this entire time

Then, Mod Mark comes in and suddenly, everything turns around. We see less ads, a massive overhaul in random events, and an overall more "customer friendly" Jagex. The company seems to be headed in a better direction already. I have a feeling that Mod Mark was promoted so the "disillusioned, detached Andrew Iddison" who makes bad updates and wants money would be replaced by the "newbie Mod Mark" who doesn't just want money, instead he wants players to be happy. In other words, it was planned so Andrew Iddison would go out looking bad, and Mark would come in looking good.

Personally, I think it's good that Jagex has finally turned around. But I'm annoyed that they're still using deception to achieve their result. I have started playing again, and without all the random events I have found it much more enjoyable.

EDIT: I made an important mistake. I didn't realize that Geoff Iddison was CEO before Mark Gerhard. This actually makes me believe that they added in Iddison for the previously described purpose. They didn't soil Andrew's name, they brought in "fresh meat" to be used for the scapegoat. This actually upsets me more than if they had just taken Andrew out in this fashion.

Good for you, since your a moderator im sure you have your advantages. Still I don't look for an improvement superficially. I want something that would radically change the env. Andrew Gower is still the man in charge and he sure did get what he wanted with this MG. I don't care what MG and his team does, I already know his intentions by the way he speaks and I know the future of runescape in the updates that were just released, that's why I invest my money wisely.

I'm not a moderator anymore. And the reason I'm not is because the job of moderator sucks, I stepped down.

Oh man that sucks, but well you feel diffrerently about different things. I know you have a "heart to heart" connection with your account and you can't just abandon it like that..and that's good. I used to feel that way too after long periods of not playing rs.

Mark = publicity stunt .. LOL. They still took much more than they are going to give back. He is just trying to soften the blow. It is obvious in that trade is not being brought back , and was made clear of this.  Without trade the game still has one purpose ... stockpile useless pixel junk for yourself even though there comes a point you no longer need it.

I play games to play with friends, and that means being able to help them... without being able to help my friends what is the point of gaining all that junk in the first place? all the skills ,loot gear ... only need so much of it after a while then it just piles up collecting pixel dust.

I just remembered a very wise alternative to runescape-earning cash by clicking on ads. I still do it sometimes, and I don't regret it. As long as you're 18+ have a credit card+ free time, it's a good alternative.

Talking about runescape, as palo god said, MG is just a puppet. HE cannot control Jagex, but Jagex can control him. It's all about the EGO...Tell me, what's the real purpose of skilling aside from EGO right? Maybe talking to friends online is still a option, but Meebo exists for that purpose. Whatever you call it; fishing cooking smithing slayer summoning etc.....it's all the same "click method" its all based on luck, not the real skill-your hands eg.the speed of your fingers, the connection between your brain stem and the nerves in your hands. Runescape skills once had a purpose and that is to help others and to finance clans. This made more friendships and set a basis for trust...eg. If you admired a person and he liked it, he would give you cash. This is the BASIS of any mmorpg that wants to even thrive in this world. Free trade of goods and money. Now that runescape dismissed that, the only thing left to do is what? Grind for the skillcape, make a video about it, put it on youtube, and grind more. You can't give money to help your clan members, you can't even lend money, you can't share stuff and buy rune sets for your buddies, you cant distribute food for free, you cant REWARD your fellow friends at all. Sucks doesn't it? well everyone has a choice, and I know mine very well. It's always a good idea to take time and think when choosing what game u want to invest your money in.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Mark = publicity stunt .. LOL. They still took much more than they are going to give back. He is just trying to soften the blow. It is obvious in that trade is not being brought back , and was made clear of this.  Without trade the game still has one purpose ... stockpile useless pixel junk for yourself even though there comes a point you no longer need it.

I play games to play with friends, and that means being able to help them... without being able to help my friends what is the point of gaining all that junk in the first place? all the skills ,loot gear ... only need so much of it after a while then it just piles up collecting pixel dust.

Aye, that's exactly what I mean. I changed it from "Publicity" to "Public Relations" though, because it makes more sense considering that only the Runescape community would know of the change. All they really did was put a new guy in charge for the purpose of looking like it was all Andrew's fault and they can get back to being a "good" company again. Despite the fact that they have improved a number of things since the change, I highly doubt that their actual methods have changed. This is due to the fact that they couldn't just come out and admit their mistakes, instead they pulled a stunt to try and alter the public's perceptions. In other words, they're still using deception to achieve their results, and that does not bode well for the future of the game.

Deception or not, the things that they added to the game were indirectly related to the trade limit. Believe it or not It's all for the skillcape man...it's all for the skillcape.

Originally posted by Blissey

Deception or not, the things that they added to the game were indirectly related to the trade limit. Believe it or not It's all for the skillcape man...it's all for the skillcape.

I agree with you there. Although, the only thing that keeps me playing is Castle Wars, I am like, addicted to that minigame. I don't like skillcapes though, all they seem to do is motivate people to annoy you to do your emote. If it didn't have decent stats, or I could get a fire cape, I'd never wear it... Sadly, I have very slow reaction time and the Jad kills me on the first hit every time I have tried to beat the fight caves.

Ouch! I messed up. Read the edit I made to the first post. I made a little slip in my research of the topic.

Dont  worry about that because things might get better when mechscape comes out.

Off Topic: By the way if runescape is Direct X 9 or Direct X 10 compatible you might be able to use ENB .I have to do a  little research on that first, but I know WoW is ENB compatible.

Aye, that's exactly what I mean. I changed it from "Publicity" to "Public Relations" though, because it makes more sense considering that only the Runescape community would know of the change. All they really did was put a new guy in charge for the purpose of looking like it was all Andrew's fault and they can get back to being a "good" company again. Despite the fact that they have improved a number of things since the change, I highly doubt that their actual methods have changed. This is due to the fact that they couldn't just come out and admit their mistakes, instead they pulled a stunt to try and alter the public's perceptions. In other words, they're still using deception to achieve their results, and that does not bode well for the future of the game.

Well Andrew's still there so I assume you mean Iddison?

There are two ways of looking at this thing:

1) What you said. They wanted a massive change to the regime so they fired Iddison, installed MG and started doing the things they wanted to do. Under this system no one gets credit for any good work they do, just the blame is shifted to the ex-CEO.

2) Iddison leaves (or is pushed). A new CEO is needed so applications are considered. The new CEO's ideas most closely match the direction in which the company wants to head so he is hired. He is then asked to start implementing his ideas in the hope that they will work.  Under this system there is no untoward 'deception' but cause=effect rather than effect=cause.

I don't know which is true. I don't much care. All that matters is that the company starts to deliver on the promises it makes (and not the ones other people are claiming that they have made).

I personally like the new direction, and I don't care how they get there just that they get there.

Originally posted by acephaloid

Aye, that's exactly what I mean. I changed it from "Publicity" to "Public Relations" though, because it makes more sense considering that only the Runescape community would know of the change. All they really did was put a new guy in charge for the purpose of looking like it was all Andrew's fault and they can get back to being a "good" company again. Despite the fact that they have improved a number of things since the change, I highly doubt that their actual methods have changed. This is due to the fact that they couldn't just come out and admit their mistakes, instead they pulled a stunt to try and alter the public's perceptions. In other words, they're still using deception to achieve their results, and that does not bode well for the future of the game.

 

Well Andrew's still there so I assume you mean Iddison?

There are two ways of looking at this thing:

1) What you said. They wanted a massive change to the regime so they fired Iddison, installed MG and started doing the things they wanted to do. Under this system no one gets credit for any good work they do, just the blame is shifted to the ex-CEO.

2) Iddison leaves (or is pushed). A new CEO is needed so applications are considered. The new CEO's ideas most closely match the direction in which the company wants to head so he is hired. He is then asked to start implementing his ideas in the hope that they will work.  Under this system there is no untoward 'deception' but cause=effect rather than effect=cause.

I don't know which is true. I don't much care. All that matters is that the company starts to deliver on the promises it makes (and not the ones other people are claiming that they have made).

I personally like the new direction, and I don't care how they get there just that they get there.

1.) YES, this is a very obvious and on going technique that I can tell is going to last quite a while. Credit? Credit doesnt matter here. Really. I don't care who does it I don't care who did it. Whoever is dumbing down the game is a fool, whoever is revising the game for adults is a genius. That's in my context now. But yes, in reality MG is seen as the "prophecy" of runescape, and some people are mesmerized and dumbfounded-that obviously includes you.

2.)In whatever direction it goes whether it be c=e or e=c, he is still dumbing down the game.  It's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo simple it requires no more than common sense.

Scenario Cause->Effect

Cause->MG sees kids going around ranting on "not enough trees" in rs. MG sees kids calling each other noobs fighting like hell causing utter chaos in the forums just because there is no "fun" tree in rs.

Effect->He does the Q&A thingy, gets people to think, read, think, and he does another Q&A thingy which makes people wonder. After 2-3 weeks he adds the "evil tree" in response to the small riots and big ones in both game and forum, and people are amazed and think he's the "prophecy" of runescape. No offense to christians here. Then people get over excited making videos(lots of them) about the evil tree posting on youtube, doing silly dances, idiotic and naive RSMV's and more crap.

Outcome: People like you who base their whole ideas and paragraphs on MG's list-nothing else.

Scenario Effect->Cause

Effect->MG nerfed the bounty hunter.

Cause->it cause it to be dumbed down  even more.

Outcome: More happy prophecy idiots coming out of nowhere with no proof assuming everything is good just because of the list. You know, I can say that nerfing the bh is one of the most obvious reasons that rs is going to the kids. He could have just made 3 BH worlds total and that would be full 24/7 no matter what. Instead he nerfed ALL of the bh making it equal with PvP..except you had a specific opponent. For the kids? maybe so...

Logic tells me this: "MG does it so that kids won't feel bad, so that they won't rant and shout too much....so that they would just stfu and get back to business....skillcape business. MG knows well his actions for he is no fool. Be wise"

Now deep down in your "hypothalamus" ask yourself this one and simple question. Is a game with a trade limit so tightly fixed worth playing?

Originally posted by acephaloid

I don't know which is true. I don't much care. All that matters is that the company starts to deliver on the promises it makes (and not the ones other people are claiming that they have made).

I personally like the new direction, and I don't care how they get there just that they get there.

LOL .. don;t hold your breath. I have been waiting for that since 2001... That is one thing they haven't done, no, they just do  alot of dodging . That is one of the main reasons they are considered " A BAD BUSINESS MODEL" with other developers, and most stop listening as soon as you try to give them any credit. I know I spent years defending them.  As soon as you mention Runescape you lose all credibility when trying to discuss their concepts seriously. Go for it .. go over to the pub, or developers corner and mention  how they should make a game like runescape and watch how quickly they attack..  They have made a very bad reputation for themselves over the years and it will take more than a publicity stunt to pull them out of it this time. 
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by acephaloid

I don't know which is true. I don't much care. All that matters is that the company starts to deliver on the promises it makes (and not the ones other people are claiming that they have made).

I personally like the new direction, and I don't care how they get there just that they get there.

LOL .. don;t hold your breath. I have been waiting for that since 2001... That is one thing they haven't done, no, they just do  alot of dodging . That is one of the main reasons they are considered " A BAD BUSINESS MODEL" with other developers, and most stop listening as soon as you try to give them any credit. I know I spent years defending them.  As soon as you mention Runescape you lose all credibility when trying to discuss their concepts seriously. Go for it .. go over to the pub, or developers corner and mention  how they should make a game like runescape and watch how quickly they attack..  They have made a very bad reputation for themselves over the years and it will take more than a publicity stunt to pull them out of it this time. 
 

If the analysts know the outside, we know the inside. I have been to countless forums discussing Runescape, and yes, once you mention that game, they tend to take in negatively. I don't blame them because it's not their fault that runescape is in a "bad light". If Jagex will look in the mirror, it's their own failure. We are just the by-products of this.