Originally posted by popinjay

I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

I for one don't read a profesional review to see if he enjoyed the game i read it to get facts that a casual blogger does not know or that he gathered from 3rd party (sites or people). One thing is to expect facts and statistics from a reviewer and another thing is to read on someones personal impressions of how the game acts and speculations on its future(either financial future or gameplay features). Individual bloggers for the most part don't have a standard and that(based on your point of view) is either a bad or a good thing. In the post that the OP linked to all i see is personal opinions of the one who wrote the article wich in most part can only be understood by people who have followed the game. Also the writer himself states

"This editorial will not be a comprehensive review, but will offer an overview of basic game mechanics, and serve as a journal of my first couple of days as a Mirdain Elf in the beautiful but deadly world of Agon." and that is all it does, it dosen't go into details and therefore is devoid of facts.

"I would also recommend you give Darkfall a try." and that is what i'm going to do WHEN their going to have the trials until then i will not(and practically CAN'T) even touch the game.

P.S. This topic should also be changed as it's not a "first impression from ign.com". What if i make a blog on mmorpg.com and link it on another website as a "first impression from mmorpg.com" would that make it so?

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

I think the topic needs to be changed.  Its a bit misleading.  This review may have come from IGN, but it isn't a sanctioned review by them.

IGN and VN are the same entity, just different sites.

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Originally posted by drkl

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Originally posted by popinjay
I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

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I for one don't read a profesional review to see if he enjoyed the game i read it to get facts that a casual blogger does not know or that he gathered from 3rd party (sites or people). One thing is to expect facts and statistics from a reviewer and another thing is to read on someones personal impressions of how the game acts and speculations on its future(either financial future or gameplay features). Individual bloggers for the most part don't have a standard and that(based on your point of view) is either a bad or a good thing. In the post that the OP linked to all i see is personal opinions of the one who wrote the article wich in most part can only be understood by people who have followed the game. Also the writer himself states
"This editorial will not be a comprehensive review, but will offer an overview of basic game mechanics, and serve as a journal of my first couple of days as a Mirdain Elf in the beautiful but deadly world of Agon." and that is all it does, it dosen't go into details and therefore is devoid of facts.
"I would also recommend you give Darkfall a try." and that is what i'm going to do WHEN their going to have the trials until then i will not(and practically CAN'T) even touch the game.
P.S. This topic should also be changed as it's not a "first impression from ign.com". What if i make a blog on mmorpg.com and link it on another website as a "first impression from mmorpg.com" would that make it so?

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I know this is going to be a news flash to you, but ALL gamer reviews are PERSONAL opinions. Blogger or Professional. Fanboi or Troll. They all are one man's (or woman's) personal opinion. I do not know why you fail to see that. The fact that someone wears a hat that says "GogoMMO.com Chief Writer" gives the review any more credence, unless he has vast technical issues regarding the game.. which again, most buyers do NOT care about. They only want to know if their computer can run the game, and if they think they'll have fun in it. Any blogger can give this exact same information.

For the most part, a blogger will play a particular game longer and HARDER than any professional reviewer will. Why? Plenty of them have loads of free time and play the game hours on end. The writer has to play some, then write some, then go to the office, then do whatever else at the office between meetings and otherwise, not counting family time. Bloggers usually know the ends/outs of any particular game and most writers DEPEND on bloggers usually a great deal. Example: I don't know too many staff writers who have a job and are running their own guilds that I've read. But I've read plenty of bloggers who take IN staff writers in the games they play in their guilds. Paragus is a good example. He has his own large guild and plays games quite a bit. The average staff writer doesn't do this. There is no way a casual player/writer is going to have the playtime Paragus has, and seen all the issues. So why would I assume they know more because they appear "objective", when in most cases, they end it with a rating anyways? Which is.. what again? Their own PERSONAL rating. It's not like the writer plays WoW, writes everything up, then comes into the office shows the boss and they all vote on what to give it... even though the boss didn't play WoW. It is the writer's opinion only.

Again, while you personally may not read a pro review to see if he enjoyed the game, but many people do, or we wouldn't have so many PC mags and reviews in them. That is the reality, because you are among the chosen few who do their own testing/thinking is irrelevant. The majority do not or even want to do that. Just read around sites and it should be glaringly obvious.

Yeah that review was just okay. To be honest, I know he left a lot of stuff out of that review, and I know why. I've never understood why people read so much into reviews, as they are just personal opinions. And that review is no exception, especially after reading the first paragraph. Darkfall is a game that you will either love or hate. No review will show you that, you have to just play it. The game world is amazing, and I really wish some developer would create a PvE world like that.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

 

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

Aoc got good reviews on every website.It was only until about 1 1/2 and 2 months later when players realize that sieges where not coming any time soon, funcom sucks at patching mistake in aoc and people notice that content ran out around level 50 -70 did complaints start to come in.It  took months before game sites rereview aoc with low grades. I am not predicting the same thing but i would not be suprised if it happened to DF.

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

it's cause noone but carebears and trolls care about that shit. darkfall is first and foremost a PVP game and on that basis it delivers.

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

 

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

well, you have to keep something in mind... the "their game" or "game i've been waiting all my life for" is not anything deep and revolutionary.

it is a persistent world semi-fps pvp game with full looting.  that's all.

i've yet to really see where this game offers anything else.  you can nitpick this or that.

eve has over 300 skills.  no exaggeration, no hidden anything, no super secrecy involved.

eve has massive battles on a regular basis.

eve has territorial disputes.

eve has full looting of whatever is left AFTER the explosion.

oh, eve doesn't have shadows in which to hide.

nor does it have clunky movement and whack a mole combat mechanics.

for a f2p persistent world fps-mmo game, darkfall doesn't look too horrible,  i mean you'd expect those type of graphics/animations/combat style, from a so/so f2p game.

but for an indie game -- eve online costs $20 for the digital download and they are as indie as you get....

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

Originally posted by jimsmith08

thats an excellent write up,thanks for linking it. I like the option of having a last name-why dont more MMOs do that? Only lotro and guild wars have recently allowed you to do that.

If it werent for the limited combat and what appears to be limited builds options,id definately shell out for this game even if just for the random pvp.

DDO allows a second name as well........but yeah having a second name is a BIG selling point in any game and truly a feature worthy of note. It makes or breaks it. How could anyone possibly play a game without having a second name? Stuff graphics, gameplay, sound and lasting value. Just give me a second name and I'm sorted for life.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

well, a recent lie is "300 players in a pvp battles FIRST TIME EVER IN AN MMO".

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

 

well, a recent lie is "300 players in a pvp battles FIRST TIME EVER IN AN MMO".

 

Link?

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by jimsmith08

thats an excellent write up,thanks for linking it. I like the option of having a last name-why dont more MMOs do that? Only lotro and guild wars have recently allowed you to do that.

If it werent for the limited combat and what appears to be limited builds options,id definately shell out for this game even if just for the random pvp.

 

DDO allows a second name as well........but yeah having a second name is a BIG selling point in any game and truly a feature worthy of note. It makes or breaks it. How could anyone possibly play a game without having a second name? Stuff graphics, gameplay, sound and lasting value. Just give me a second name and I'm sorted for life.

city of heroes/villains, eq, eq2, eve; there's a lot of games that allow more than a single name.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by jimsmith08

thats an excellent write up,thanks for linking it. I like the option of having a last name-why dont more MMOs do that? Only lotro and guild wars have recently allowed you to do that.

If it werent for the limited combat and what appears to be limited builds options,id definately shell out for this game even if just for the random pvp.

 

DDO allows a second name as well........but yeah having a second name is a BIG selling point in any game and truly a feature worthy of note. It makes or breaks it. How could anyone possibly play a game without having a second name? Stuff graphics, gameplay, sound and lasting value. Just give me a second name and I'm sorted for life.

 

city of heroes/villains, eq, eq2, eve; there's a lot of games that allow more than a single name.

Its true, even alot of F2P games coming out of asia are giving you a first name and a surname. I think the main guy not to jump on it is WoW. I would even play WoW for an extra day just to give my character a last name.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by jimsmith08

thats an excellent write up,thanks for linking it. I like the option of having a last name-why dont more MMOs do that? Only lotro and guild wars have recently allowed you to do that.

If it werent for the limited combat and what appears to be limited builds options,id definately shell out for this game even if just for the random pvp.

 

DDO allows a second name as well........but yeah having a second name is a BIG selling point in any game and truly a feature worthy of note. It makes or breaks it. How could anyone possibly play a game without having a second name? Stuff graphics, gameplay, sound and lasting value. Just give me a second name and I'm sorted for life.

 

city of heroes/villains, eq, eq2, eve; there's a lot of games that allow more than a single name.

 

Its true, even alot of F2P games coming out of asia are giving you a first name and a surname. I think the main guy not to jump on it is WoW. I would even play WoW for an extra day just to give my character a last name.

Thing is, Aventurine even screwed this "feature" up. By not requiring a unique first name, you are forced to type in the complete name to send a /tell.

Yeah, not game breaking, just saying...

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

 

it's cause noone but carebears and trolls care about that shit. darkfall is first and foremost a PVP game and on that basis it delivers.

 

 

Unfortunately, that very thing will determine whether Darkfall can sustain itself in the future.

I mean really, just how many "hardcore" players do you think are out there that will play? Much less pay a recurring monthly sub.

What is it that will keep drawing in new players after the initial "hardcore" rush?

All this nonsense about Darkfall was made for gamers, by gamers, is just that, nonsense. If one can't see that as a PR spin, then I really don't know what to say. As far as I can tell from the information available, is that Claus is the only one of them to even play UO.

I don't care to hear about any other games success/failures. We are discussing Darkfall and Aventurine.

Darkfall will have to stand on it's own feet, and not the hopes it can succeed like <insert random other game here>.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

 

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

 

well, you have to keep something in mind... the "their game" or "game i've been waiting all my life for" is not anything deep and revolutionary.

 

it is a persistent world semi-fps pvp game with full looting.  that's all.

i've yet to really see where this game offers anything else.  you can nitpick this or that.

eve has over 300 skills.  no exaggeration, no hidden anything, no super secrecy involved.

eve has massive battles on a regular basis.

eve has territorial disputes.

eve has full looting of whatever is left AFTER the explosion.

 

oh, eve doesn't have shadows in which to hide.

nor does it have clunky movement and whack a mole combat mechanics.

 

for a f2p persistent world fps-mmo game, darkfall doesn't look too horrible,  i mean you'd expect those type of graphics/animations/combat style, from a so/so f2p game.

 

but for an indie game -- eve online costs $20 for the digital download and they are as indie as you get....

 

 

 Indeed, a little slanted, but ok. (I have played EVE for some time, still do (multiple accounts) and think it is a great game).

Darkfall is simply a hell of a lot more fun!