Originally posted by Litigator_AB

Originally posted by clearSam

 

• Sound and Music

Im not gonna even argue about those, cause the music of AoC is outstanding by general consensus. its one of the few games where you hesitate to turn off the music or even to lower it down... its original, straight to the point, full of context and REAL music not amateur engineered compositions.

• Graphics

If there is something that even flamers agree on, is that AoC have the best looking graphics ever to be found in an mmo up to date. some will say, oh but the gfx are not that important, and I say: YES, ITS FREAKING SOOO IMPORTANT, especially in a fantasy mmo where "fantasy" stuff is supposed to happen ! and where you, as a charcter, are supposed to explore and enjoy a world full of odd lore. so yes again: GRAPHYCS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

and as someone already said on another thread: in an MMO, content can be and supposed to be added regularly and eventually, but how affen do you see mmos remake their gfx engine?

bugs can be fixed, content can be added, but gfx can NOT be enhanced.

• Lore

 I think the free world was in real need of something other than Elfs VS Humans VS Orcs VS Gobblins VS Dwarfs... so it was about time someone gets creative again.

it is very clear that the game respects the geographical properties especial in human NPCs, names for instance are carefully chosen with respect to the culture. in most other games especially the ones directed for European/ NA audiences, those smaller details are left to developement hazard... i, personally dont like being taken for an idiot, so if an M rated game have a Chineese NPC called Yamato which is purely Japanese, ill be very pissed.... cause that totally kills the buzz.

• Potential

As a whole, AoC is the game with most potential on the market, while some people argue that other fantasy mmos have more potential, i see AoC as the only one that have a REAL potential of being an EPIC mmo not just another mmo, without going into details, we know that WoW have nowhere to go but down! LOTRO, and with all my respect to the (LoR franchise) is useless, WAR is well... just another ok MMO with nothing else but PvP 24/7... 

WoW and LoTRO have the most arrogant companies behid them, which makes any positive feedback from users quasi impossible, and even more, the user base is indeed very young, and therfore not to be taken seriously...

AoC in the other hand, have Funcom, which used to be called Failcom, simply because they failed to deliver a playable varsion of AoC at launch, so now, after they are done with the internal cleansing, Funcom have no other choice but make AoC an AAA game, deliver its promises and win AoC fans back.

I, myself was very sceptical a couple of months ago, but after the latest patches and the public announcements that Funcom made, it is clear from a neutral point of view that they are doing a good job so far both in adding new content and getting players feed back from the official forum.

 

 

I find it hilarious that you said AoC is the best because it has nice music and graphics and a cool background story.  Absolutely zero to do with the actual game (mechanics, depth, game systems, etc.)

I would say the average poster would read this and say "wow...it has all of this eye candy and yet the game still sucks...that makes it even more of a failure". 

You see, in the real world, people care less about glitz and more about substance.   Evidence:

#1:  Put out a crappy movie with fancy special effects and an amazing soundtrack, and the movie will bomb. 

#2:  Put a fancy cover on fancy paper with a sexy broad on the front of a book...if the book sucks...it will get universally panned.

#3:  Put cologne in a bottle that smells like skunk and you can have every starlet advertise it in its $50 bottle...and it will be discontinued faster than I can say Failcom.

You see, AoC has no substance, and that is why it is failing.  For MMOs, RPGs, and RTSs this is especially true.  People by and large care about the game and not the graphics or sound.  How many RTSs failed that had better graphics and sound than Total Annihilation and Age of Kings?  RPGs that looked better than Diablo II?  MMOs that look better than WoW?  Start to see the trend?

Sigh.

 

yes i see clearly your point, fancy gfx and sound are not everything, however, i never said anything contrary to this.

i said they are important, as any other part of the game.

Originally posted by clearSam

 

yes i see clearly your point, fancy gfx and sound are not everything, however, i never said anything contrary to this.

i said they are important, as any other part of the game.

Litigator said exactly what I wanted to say.

You only talk about the 4 good parts of AoC:

1. Sounds are good, yes.
2. Graphics are good, although at times ugly and too "happy" imo
3. Lore is good but not used to its full potential
4. Potential? This means absolutely nothing to me. Hey, I'm doing an MMO with great potential! You want to invest?

If you claim AoC to be the best MMO out there you should talk about ALL aspects of the game.

Face it, AoC is far from the best MMO and I have 700k friends who agree with me.

Originally posted by TheSting

Originally posted by clearSam

 

yes i see clearly your point, fancy gfx and sound are not everything, however, i never said anything contrary to this.

i said they are important, as any other part of the game.

 

Litigator said exactly what I wanted to say.

You only talk about the 4 good parts of AoC:

1. Sounds are good, yes.
2. Graphics are good, although at times ugly and too "happy" imo
3. Lore is good but not used to its full potential
4. Potential? This means absolutely nothing to me. Hey, I'm doing an MMO with great potential! You want to invest?

If you claim AoC to be the best MMO out there you should talk about ALL aspects of the game.

Face it, AoC is far from the best MMO and I have 700k friends who agree with me.

 

first, there is a diffrence between "Perfect" and "the best".

again, i never claimed that  AoC is Perfect or even close to perfect. i said its the best as of now, and to support that, i stated all the good points as far as i see them, and said that whatever was missing is being added or can eventually be added, while other games lack the ability of expantion and feature addition by nature.

if i didnt talk about a feature, it doesnt mean that it is NON existing or worthless in AoC.

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch, however, now it is much better.

good? yes

berfect? not yet

better than others? yes

and thats what i said.

Originally posted by clearSam

first, there is a diffrence between "Perfect" and "the best".

again, i never claimed that  AoC is Perfect or even close to perfect. i said its the best as of now, and to support that, i stated all the good points as far as i see them, and said that whatever was missing is being added or can eventually be added, while other games lack the ability of expantion and feature addition by nature.

if i didnt talk about a feature, it doesnt mean that it is NON existing or worthless in AoC.

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch, however, now it is much better.

good? yes

berfect? not yet

better than others? yes

It might be the best game for YOU but most gamers disagree so lets not talk about AoC as "the best game" ok?

About 5% of MMO gamers look for qualities found in AoC. Other 95% look for something else.

Originally posted by TheSting

Originally posted by clearSam

first, there is a diffrence between "Perfect" and "the best".

again, i never claimed that  AoC is Perfect or even close to perfect. i said its the best as of now, and to support that, i stated all the good points as far as i see them, and said that whatever was missing is being added or can eventually be added, while other games lack the ability of expantion and feature addition by nature.

if i didnt talk about a feature, it doesnt mean that it is NON existing or worthless in AoC.

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch, however, now it is much better.

good? yes

berfect? not yet

better than others? yes

 

It might be the best game for YOU but most gamers disagree so lets not talk about AoC as "the best game" ok?

About 5% of MMO gamers look for qualities found in AoC. Other 95% look for something else.

most gamers disagree?

and you are "most gamers"?

and where did you get your statistics? the 5% and the 95%

just making sure i didnt miss anything...

Originally posted by clearSam

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch ...

Can we get a link to that post please?

Originally posted by clearSam

ok, and supose you got disconnected 10 times right after the patch? would that imply that the game sucks? what kind of reasoning is this? or is it because its Funcom?

 

 

Well the whole patch came with serious bug that had to bring servers for a whole day of downtime.. YEAH that's really the best MMO ever!!!11

When servers came up global chat was full of whines of lagspikes so if you are seriously thinking this game is the best MMO with such service you are either fanatic or  not playing the game at all your call.

To asnwer your question a game that is unplayable truly sucks believe it or not but it does vets that left at launch can tell.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by clearSam

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch ...

 

Can we get a link to that post please?

no i cant

Originally posted by Naranar

Originally posted by clearSam

ok, and supose you got disconnected 10 times right after the patch? would that imply that the game sucks? what kind of reasoning is this? or is it because its Funcom?

 

 

 

Well the whole patch came with serious bug that had to bring servers for a whole day of downtime.. YEAH that's really the best MMO ever!!!11

When servers came up global chat was full of whines of lagspikes so if you are seriously thinking this game is the best MMO with such service you are either fanatic or  not playing the game at all your call.

To asnwer your question a game that is unplayable truly sucks believe it or not but it does vets that left at launch can tell.

why you keep make me say things that i didnt say?

quote me saying "AoC it is the best mmo EVER"

***

yes, having bugs after a patch is very bad and sad BUT that does not mean in anyway that the game is bad.

i play the game evry day with many others, so when you say the game is unplayable, i really dont know what you are talking about

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by clearSam

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch ...

 

Can we get a link to that post please?

no i cant

Why not?

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Deadman87

 

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Originally posted by MindTrigger

 

The design of the game world sucks.  When you explore it, you feel like you are in a linear, 'on rails' fps shooter from back in 2001.

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Did you even make it out of tortage? Because it sure doesn't sound like it. It isn't the marvelous non instanced wonder that is WoW, but it's definitively not a "linear on rails fps shooter from 2001".

 

This is a really old picture taken with a geforce 9600, so I hadn't maxed out view distance.

 

I made it to 50 before I left the game for good.  This game is full of hills and mountains you can't climb and waters you can't swim, invisible walls, etc. I really don't care if I can stand on a hiltop and look across a large area if I can't walk to most of it.

If this is all fine with you, then by all means, continue to play the game.  Enjoy!

I do agree...I really like the game...but the invisible walls are probably the biggest fault I have with AoC..(the instances following close behind).Unlike the instances...to me they serve no purpose. I get pretty irate when a quest goal is right next to me but I can't scale a 3 ft rock to get into a ravine...instead having to wrap around a maze of mountains and hills...just to end up 2ft from where I was 20-30 minutes ago. There should be multiple ways to get to a target in an open world..don't use an invisible wall as a game device to funnel players in a particular direction.  Not a game breaker..but I have become very pissed and log off from time to time.

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Unfinished

Originally posted by clearSam

i was and still one of the 700k who said that AoC is a total failure at launch ...

 

Can we get a link to that post please?

no i cant

 

Why not?

cause i dont have to

Originally posted by clearSam

 

Well the whole patch came with serious bug that had to bring servers for a whole day of downtime.. YEAH that's really the best MMO ever!!!11

why you keep make me say things that i didnt say?

quote me saying "AoC it is the best mmo EVER"

AoC is the best MMO as of now ! Right thats quote of your thread you are saying it is best of now fine... but you are saying it is not ever... well that's wierd i cant remember ANY MMORPG that was the best and went shutdown if there is such you better tell me which is it.

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yes, having bugs after a patch is very bad and sad BUT that does not mean in anyway that the game is bad.

Ok so having bugs after patch doesn't by you mean the game is bad well actually it does how a game that you can launch or play without dying in lag is good though it improved it and its gone still shows FunCom isn't  capable of making  good patch and how such a game can be The best MMO as of now ?You can play F2P with this attitude really

i play the game evry day with many others, so when you say the game is unplayable, i really dont know what you are talking about

Game WAS unplayable i pointed that out at least two times but it seems your brain isn't capable of understand word WAS so nothing i can do here just read it you say  IS i say WAS this words aren't same!

How such game can be the best of mmo now?I can tell you I play WAR and when the patch 1.2 came i could play even the day it was implented so your the best mmorpg as of now got pwned by patching service of WAR.

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by Cynthe

I just have one question what do you have against LotrO? I mean really LotrO? :S Turbine is a great company in my experience far more reliable then Funcom. Back when I played regularly they always listened to the players so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

It's great that you want to talk about the good things in Conan but you lose me as soon as you put down other games to do it.

 

-pre-last gen graphics

-pitiful sound, and i dont even recall the music...

-taking the best fantasy movie EVER and squeezing a blemished, cold, full of nothingness mmo out of it.

 

LoTRO is the typical commercial product based only on the success of the franchise.

like Doom 3, Doom the movie etc...

so yes, i have a strong opinion against any company who thinks they can make money out of fanboys without working hard for it.

and if you like numbers: 10 million know WoW and there are 4 Billion who know Lord of the Rings as a franchise

so where are the numbers?

if LoTRO is the MMO you think it is, then it should be on the TOP of everything else.

This post extremely pist me the flip off.  LotrO is an amazing game not some half-ass game based off a movie.  The only thing I can think your trying to say is it used many systems WoW used.  It did and made many so much  better, crafting, combat, instances, raids, story-line.  But every point you said is completely absurd. You have to be on drugs. 
 

-pre-last gen graphics 

      ( its the only damn game that has DX10) THE ONLY GAME OUT.  YOU ARE AN IDIOT, Aoc = NO DX10).)

-pitiful sound, and i dont even recall the music...

       (The music is right out of the movie, if you loved the sound and music in the movie then you love this music)

-taking the best fantasy movie EVER and squeezing a blemished, cold, full of nothingness mmo out of it.

       (All I can say is you never played the game or you gave up when you got owned by a Nazgul, balrog, watcher, Dragon, giant, Tree, Wood Troll.  Or one of those.)

The game has so much content I cant even finish it since the game was launched.  It has by far the best crafting,  PvMP is awesome right now, It has everything for everyone, Housing, fishing, And everything has EPIC written all over it. 

THIS IS WHY LOTRO IS THE TOP RATED GAME ON MMORPG.COM.  AND YOU TRY TO BASH IT AGAINST A FAILED AGE OF CONAN.  YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

 The above poster clearly loves his LOTRO.  Calm yourself sweetheart, he was voicing an opinion, not fact.

To the OP, I agree, I just resubbed, and appreciate post like yours that can point me in a direction of positive movement.  I do like how the new director is talking to the people in the forums, giving information, and making it obviously he is moving in the right direction and showing me, the consumer, some effort.

To the above poster, DX 10 is on the PTR for Conan, so while I appreciate your rant on LOTRO, I think you should research a little more before you spout off.  Obviously DX 10 is going to be huge for Conan and while it didn't come out at release it will be out in the next few months and frankly, I'll be impressed as I am now with the DX 9 engine.

Originally posted by Naranar

Originally posted by clearSam

 

Well the whole patch came with serious bug that had to bring servers for a whole day of downtime.. YEAH that's really the best MMO ever!!!11

why you keep make me say things that i didnt say?

quote me saying "AoC it is the best mmo EVER"

AoC is the best MMO as of now ! Right thats quote of your thread you are saying it is best of now fine... but you are saying it is not ever... well that's wierd i cant remember ANY MMORPG that was the best and went shutdown if there is such you better tell me which is it.

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yes, having bugs after a patch is very bad and sad BUT that does not mean in anyway that the game is bad.

Ok so having bugs after patch doesn't by you mean the game is bad well actually it does how a game that you can launch or play without dying in lag is good though it improved it and its gone still shows FunCom isn't  capable of making  good patch and how such a game can be The best MMO as of now ?You can play F2P with this attitude really

i play the game evry day with many others, so when you say the game is unplayable, i really dont know what you are talking about

Game WAS unplayable i pointed that out at least two times but it seems your brain isn't capable of understand word WAS so nothing i can do here just read it you say  IS i say WAS this words aren't same!

How such game can be the best of mmo now?I can tell you I play WAR and when the patch 1.2 came i could play even the day it was implented so your the best mmorpg as of now got pwned by patching service of WAR.

 

 

thats what you said:

"...

To asnwer your question a game that is unplayable truly sucks believe it or not but it does vets that left at launch can tell.

..."

anyways, you dont need to get angry, we are just debating on a public forum, either one of us or both could be wrong or right.

Originally posted by clearSam

 

• Sound and Music

Im not gonna even argue about those, cause the music of AoC is outstanding by general consensus. its one of the few games where you hesitate to turn off the music or even to lower it down... its original, straight to the point, full of context and REAL music not amateur engineered compositions.

Except, what if you are like me? I turn off all music and most sounds since I use voice comms and they interfere with clear communication.

• Graphics

If there is something that even flamers agree on, is that AoC have the best looking graphics ever to be found in an mmo up to date. some will say, oh but the gfx are not that important, and I say: YES, ITS FREAKING SOOO IMPORTANT, especially in a fantasy mmo where "fantasy" stuff is supposed to happen ! and where you, as a charcter, are supposed to explore and enjoy a world full of odd lore. so yes again: GRAPHYCS ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

and as someone already said on another thread: in an MMO, content can be and supposed to be added regularly and eventually, but how affen do you see mmos remake their gfx engine?

bugs can be fixed, content can be added, but gfx can NOT be enhanced.

I will concede the graphics are great, but they came at the expense of game play which should never happen IMO.  All those instances and zones were necessary because of the graphic engine, which I am happy to do with out. As others have pointed out, gfx can be upgraded later, EVE just had one.

• Lore

 I think the free world was in real need of something other than Elfs VS Humans VS Orcs VS Gobblins VS Dwarfs... so it was about time someone gets creative again.

So they got creative by making it all Humans?

it is very clear that the game respects the geographical properties especial in human NPCs, names for instance are carefully chosen with respect to the culture. in most other games especially the ones directed for European/ NA audiences, those smaller details are left to developement hazard... i, personally dont like being taken for an idiot, so if an M rated game have a Chineese NPC called Yamato which is purely Japanese, ill be very pissed.... cause that totally kills the buzz.

They did do a great job with the lore, and I always felt the game did a good job of making me feel like I was in Conans world, until I realized I was really sitting inside a bunch of tiny zones, then the immersion went out the window.  But LotRO, EVE and DAOC always had great lore IMO, so I'm not as impressed by it.

• Potential - Never, ever use the "P" word.  Brad killed that with VG and it leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth.

As a whole, AoC is the game with most potential on the market, while some people argue that other fantasy mmos have more potential, i see AoC as the only one that have a REAL potential of being an EPIC mmo not just another mmo, without going into details, we know that WoW have nowhere to go but down! LOTRO, and with all my respect to the (LoR franchise) is useless, WAR is well... just another ok MMO with nothing else but PvP 24/7... 

EVE has greater potential IMO, but I will concede that it is not a fantasy game.  WOW is what it is, LotRO is a great game with limitations by its well know IP, and WAR, I agree, is just sort of blah.  

WoW and LoTRO have the most arrogant companies behid them, which makes any positive feedback from users quasi impossible, and even more, the user base is indeed very young, and therfore not to be taken seriously...

C'mon, don't show such hatrer. Blizzard's made a great game, and a ton of money, why would they listen to everything every fan wanted, would ruin the great gig they've got.  And I thought Turbine does a great job by the fans with fair pricing (lots of 9.99 accts out there) regular updates, and a fun game for the fans.

AoC in the other hand, have Funcom, which used to be called Failcom, simply because they failed to deliver a playable varsion of AoC at launch, so now, after they are done with the internal cleansing, Funcom have no other choice but make AoC an AAA game, deliver its promises and win AoC fans back.

But some folks don't think Funcom can ever shed that image, they've permanently damaged their reputation in their eyes.  Trust is a hard thing to gain back once people lose faith in you. I would have assumed that Mythic had no choice but to deliver the spiritual successor to DAOC, and most folks will tell you how far off the mark that expectation turned out to be.

I, myself was very sceptical a couple of months ago, but after the latest patches and the public announcements that Funcom made, it is clear from a neutral point of view that they are doing a good job so far both in adding new content and getting players feed back from the official forum.

Can't really call your viewpoints neutral, there's a fan inside of you just bursting to get out.

 

Overall I'll agree, Funcom appears to have made great strides in their game since launch, and is probably worth a second look. And for those folks who enjoy the same things as you listed above, they're going to agree with you fully.

But realize that there's lots of things that make a game fun for each player, and no one game will ever win the title of "best game on the market".

Originally posted by thiellian

 The above poster clearly loves his LOTRO.  Calm yourself sweetheart, he was voicing an opinion, not fact.

To the OP, I agree, I just resubbed, and appreciate post like yours that can point me in a direction of positive movement.  I do like how the new director is talking to the people in the forums, giving information, and making it obviously he is moving in the right direction and showing me, the consumer, some effort.

To the above poster, DX 10 is on the PTR for Conan, so while I appreciate your rant on LOTRO, I think you should research a little more before you spout off.  Obviously DX 10 is going to be huge for Conan and while it didn't come out at release it will be out in the next few months and frankly, I'll be impressed as I am now with the DX 9 engine.

well, that guy is calling me an idiot !

what you want me to tell him? im here to express ideas and read others ideas, maybe debate but not insult. fanboism makes people lose perspective, its normal, i understand. but fore some reason many guys over here think that i hate LoTRO and WoW, which is not true, i mean seriously, can anyone hate LoR and be on a fantasy mmo forum? lol 

anyways, you are one of the few who can actually read my post and get through graphics to the main point, which is: the game is improving. and that if devs transformed it from a bag of bugs to an enjoyable games in 6months then they could transform it into a great game if given a chance.

Originally posted by clearSam

thats what you said:

"...

To asnwer your question a game that is unplayable truly sucks believe it or not but it does vets that left at launch can tell.

And where you read i said THIS GAME **IS** UNPLAYABLE RIGHT NOW all i meant if a game **IS** now you see this word here? if this game **IS** unplayable after patch then it is not a holy grail that's all!

..."

anyways, you dont need to get angry, we are just debating on a public forum, either one of us or both could be wrong or right.

 Angry ...I'm just dissapointed i have to say same thing over and over again

Originally posted by Naranar

Originally posted by clearSam

thats what you said:

"...

To asnwer your question a game that is unplayable truly sucks believe it or not but it does vets that left at launch can tell.

And where you read i said THIS GAME **IS** UNPLAYABLE RIGHT NOW all i meant if a game **IS** now you see this word here? if this game **IS** unplayable after patch then it is not a holy grail that's all!

..."

anyways, you dont need to get angry, we are just debating on a public forum, either one of us or both could be wrong or right.

 Angry ...I'm just dissapointed i have to say same thing over and over again

 

ok, then i probably misunderstood you, my bad

but me too, i never said that the game is perfect or any close to the holly grail

  I agree, i don't see your opinion to be that neutral, but i get you like the game, enjoy it after you have actually experienced it, and consider it to be the best MMO out there, this however is subjective, some will agree others won't.

  I dunno if it's the best one out there, i do know that there's still much to be done, but that a ton has been added, changed and fixed, i like the game, i recomend it, but as with all things tastes, it's my opinion, just that.  Patch 5 should put the game in a more fair place to be rated 8as it introduces important changes, that have been asked for, but that could mean improvement or the opposite, depending on your criteria and their implementation)  trials and free welcome back periods for old users might be close, for those too skeptical but still interested, or those that don't feel like risking 20 bucks.

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by thiellian

 The above poster clearly loves his LOTRO.  Calm yourself sweetheart, he was voicing an opinion, not fact.

To the OP, I agree, I just resubbed, and appreciate post like yours that can point me in a direction of positive movement.  I do like how the new director is talking to the people in the forums, giving information, and making it obviously he is moving in the right direction and showing me, the consumer, some effort.

To the above poster, DX 10 is on the PTR for Conan, so while I appreciate your rant on LOTRO, I think you should research a little more before you spout off.  Obviously DX 10 is going to be huge for Conan and while it didn't come out at release it will be out in the next few months and frankly, I'll be impressed as I am now with the DX 9 engine.

well, that guy is calling me an idiot !

Hm.. why do you think that is..?

Originally posted by TheSting

Originally posted by clearSam

Originally posted by thiellian

 The above poster clearly loves his LOTRO.  Calm yourself sweetheart, he was voicing an opinion, not fact.

To the OP, I agree, I just resubbed, and appreciate post like yours that can point me in a direction of positive movement.  I do like how the new director is talking to the people in the forums, giving information, and making it obviously he is moving in the right direction and showing me, the consumer, some effort.

To the above poster, DX 10 is on the PTR for Conan, so while I appreciate your rant on LOTRO, I think you should research a little more before you spout off.  Obviously DX 10 is going to be huge for Conan and while it didn't come out at release it will be out in the next few months and frankly, I'll be impressed as I am now with the DX 9 engine.

well, that guy is calling me an idiot !

 

Hm.. why do you think that is..?

probably because i posted baseless statistics that i can't prove like this :

"5% of MMO gamers look for qualities found in AoC. Other 95% "

oh but wait !  that wasnt me...

I cant even imagine why a thread like this ever came to life.

Originally posted by d0n0

I cant even imagine why a thread like this ever came to life.

how unfortunate