Originally posted by Josher

 Its like people praising UO's combat system by todays standards, when it was 2 frames of animation, mouse point & clicking and a small handfull of worthwhile abilities.

I think you're confusing the animation system with the combat system. The animation is 2D suckiness. I'm a die-hard UO fan and i will readily admit that. The combat is by far one of the best systems out there for people that like strategy and planning in combat.

UO, like EVE Online, has a combat system unlike most class-restricted, level-based MMOs. Players have chests of armor and weapons that they keep for specific engagements and scenarios. The character gear and player tactics you use aren't artificially restricted. True, artifacts were added that f'd the whole system up a lot, but combat includes various aspects that EQ/WOW-style MMOs just don't have.

-identifying your oppents strengths and weaknesses

- identifying their skills

- item loss

- changing your gear/tactics to match the opponents

- identifying your team's strengths and building an attack based on that

- planning for loss and recorvery

I am not saying these features are superior. It is a different style of gameplay and it adds depth to the game for those who prefer that playstyle. People who enjoy playing max level class-regulated combat in epic gear, due to the mechanics of the game they play, usually do not like some or all of those aspects. Also, many of those aspects are often foreign to them  - for the UOers, it's like a Trammel player stepping foot into Fel for the first time.

To the EQ/WOW-style MMO gamer, Darkfall combat seems like a 2-swing 2-button limited engagement. To them, the battle started the minute someone to the first swing. In that light, I can see how they would perceive DF PvP to be very limited.

Originally posted by LynxJSA 

 

To the EQ/WOW-style MMO gamer, Darkfall combat seems like a 2-swing 2-button limited engagement. To them, the battle started the minute someone to the first swing. In that light, I can see how they would perceive DF PvP to be very limited.

 

 

Of course, the game is new and as such almost all the players are relatively low skill level, even the macroers simply now have lopsided skills.

We will see in a few months...

Originally posted by reggie

Ok my bad. DIdnt pay attention.

But anyway. I think alot of reactions from the sceptics are pretty pathetic if i may say so. Not all mind you. There's nothing wrong with being sceptic, its healthy actually. Im speaking of the bashers who seem to scream without thinking.

First off you open the thread to read the review and then complain about you'll be waiting for a review from a 'real' gaming site. In what way exactly do you think a "real" gaming site will have a much different first impression ? Its a first impression, get it ?

Then others come in and read the review and give comments about ill wait 3 months for the real reviews coz right now the game is shiny and new. Ill give you that. Yeah most things are more fun when they are new. Again though.... why do you come and read the review then, from a real gaming site or not ?  Again its a first impression. Though to me it seems like if the game were bashed, first impression or not, you'd be a happy reader and not mention the above.

Why are so many contradicting themselves ?

Im also wondering what exactly it is that for those people makes a review or first impression from a 'real' gaming site so much better then any other well written first impression ? Coz they happen to work for a gaming site and get paid for writing their impressions and reviews ? 

Ok so what makes those gaming site reviewers so special that they are like the pope with the holy bible. Anything they say is the truth ?

Im no expert but lemme think for a minute what would probably be the requirements of a gaming site staffmember who writes reviews;

1) Gaming has to be his hobby

2) Prob needs alot of experience with gaming to be able to be somewhat neutral when reviewing newer games. He has to have experience to review innovation, review by comparison to standards etc etc

3) He has to be able to write well

4) It would prob rock if he/she did some sort of journalism educational background or something simular but i doubt those are easy to get. No idea what they get paid but i can imagine they can get paid alot more with another job.

5) Has to work well with others. Has to follow the rules by which to review a game by and give it points following those rules.

6) Has to follow orders. No boss will ever want a rogue review writer that writes whatever he feels like writing. This works both ways. First off this prevents idiot reviewers to make a mess of a review and 2nd off it prevents reviewers to not follow dictated rules. You could think about reputation of the site and many other things.

Well add some more points if you can think of some more.

Anyway..... so what it comes down to when reviewing the difference between a professional review and a non professional review;

Professional review;

1) chances are he writes better. Im speaking of layout , grammar etc.

2) chances are he follows a fairly strict review table dictated by whoever's in charge and follows the company's vision etc. Thinking of possible important influences reputation etc.

3) ummmmm oh thats about it.... There's no 3rd. Except that for the professional reviewer his job is on the line if he doesnt please company he writes for. Thinking of possible important influences reputation + income.

So what do both unprofessional and professional reviewers have in common. Gaming experience and gaming enthousiasm, hobby. What do they not have in common. The professional reviewer might give more neutral reviews following a stricter table which to use during reviews. Thinking of set standards, innovation etc.

 

 

A professional writer, which is likely what review writers are for reputable websites, likly have an educational background in journalism. Believe it or not, college educated people, writers or not, have A LOT of experience writing academic papers without bias, know how to be objective, and is a lot better at articulating their thoughts.

If you think gaming websites color their reviews to please a game company, you're assuming a company has bad business practices. That company wouldn't be in business for long, since readers can clearly see quality work versus half assed work. I don't know IGN well, but their name is everywhere so they must be doing something right.

I didn't read past here, because you're written proof that just anyone shouldn't be taken seriously when they write. You went on a long, non coherent rant and then expected people to take what you said to heart. That blog writer, writing his first impression probably wrote one of the best First Impressions written by an ordinary player I've ever seen, but he's still an ordinary player and you can tell with the amount of bias in his writing.

This is NOT a review from IGN.  It is a review written by a normal player and posted on the IGN site.

IGN has not done any official reviews of DF yet, and probably won't

Originally posted by 0k21

Sorry but I refuse to accept that this half-assed version of Age of Chivalry as a full game.

Being able to do two swings in a game is NOT complex (there are ton of magic spells and there is ranged, there is cannons to fire, battle spikes to throw, mounted combat)  , being able to lean side to side is okay but it is NOT complex and your average FPS has been able to do aiming for years now online, it doesn't matter how much crap you make, crap is still crap (just your opinion, crap is that you try to turn in to fact) .

The only thing I will admit to being impressed by is archery because that had a proper form of gravity in it and you could even aim the arrow in the air and it would come down as expected albeit rather badly.(isn't iut nice ? the best ranged bow combat in an MMORPG)

Until I see games attempting to do things as well as Mirror's Edge which I will point out is a game PUBLISHED by EA then I refuse to accept any of the crap out there currently.

In my games I want to have fun, in my games I want to have freedom, Darkfall offers niether with its crappy combat system, artifical protection on players through stats, all seeing shoot anywhere guard towers and crappy turret-like movement.

You dont like the game..fine ..it is not for everyone...

Darkfall offer for me freedom , fun, one of the most beutiful online wordls , the best combat of an MMORPG today ..

All good reasons to be my favorite game..

Originally posted by steven1966

This is NOT a review from IGN.  It is a review written by a normal player and posted on the IGN site.

IGN has not done any official reviews of DF yet, and probably won't

If they don't review an MMO thats kicked up as much fuss as Darkfall has, we can safely say IGN aren't true gamers.

It is a good review if you are willing to look over everything that is bad and just focus on the good.

In other words, it was, as stated, a fanboy review.

The UI does not always scale with monitor size? Wow....

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/vnhub/62527895.jpg

Talk about annoying.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Valhama

Originally posted by rageagainst

for a professional review... that was really fanboish, but it might have been because his expectations were rock bottom (he didn't think the game would ever be released).

 

And it brings up an interesting point, none of the reviewers that will review this game have been following DF for very long and they don't notice what huge amount of material has been cut. This will make them appreciate the game for what it is, and maybe even give the game good reviews. This doesn't mean that the game WONT bomb, look at AoC, it had good content, given a 9, but it destroyed expectations, and thus tanked.

 

AoC is still alive and growing, actually.

That's not really the point though. Aventurine didn't meet expectations because they didn't have the funds to do so. They, obviously so, fully intend to implement them in the near future. They've straight up said many times they're making this game not just for us, but for them too, as they're gamers as well. They want a real MMORPG.

 

 

i keep reading that... proof or stfu please, in regards to av didn't have the funds.

they dudnt have abeter account mangmeant i think thats pretty proof enough

Originally posted by Vinterblot

It is a good review if you are willing to look over everything that is bad and just focus on the good.

In other words, it was, as stated, a fanboy review.

The UI does not always scale with monitor size? Wow....

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/vnhub/62527895.jpg

Talk about annoying.

never had issues with that except the ui you have to make bigger a tleas tthe webpage windows

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other. When professional review after review rates Warhammer so high, then you watch as it consistently loses subscriptions from 750k down to under 300k about now and almost 50 server closing later, you realize either:

A) Hundreds of thousands of people simply "didn't get it" and never saw the awesomeness that was Warhammer professional writers saw OR:

B) Professional reviewers don't know more than anyone else when it comes to measuring "fun".

Sure, they know technical jargon; they can tell you how many FPS you get with what rig setup, whether the anti-aliasing is good or not, what engine a company used, and loads of other useless facts and stats about the physical structure of a game.

But what they cannot tell you and what you will never know until you try it for yourself, is just how FUN any game is. Their idea of fun apparently was different than hundreds of thousands of others last year, because they sure didn't see much wrong when they submitted their reviews. I dare anyone to go back and reread some of the reviews this site, or ANY site gave on Warhammer, then gauge that against the actual PAYING customers and what they think/said.

Some of you are just haters of the game or their fans, and even if 9.9 out of 10 professional reviewers say Darkfall is worth the money and great fun for the buck, we all know you will still sit on the side not subbing, but still throwing bricks. Your argument will be just like the one given towards the Noob Comic author (the friend of Tasos) who said the game was fun, and you said "Well, of course SHE says that. She's his friend." Now bloggers all over different sites, who are actually PLAYING the game, are saying, "The game is fun; not perfect, but fun" and you say "Bleh.. I'll wait for the pros to review it. Those of you in this thread saying "I'll wait for the pros" and expecting that they will have an idea of what fun you like more than yourself, you have got to be kidding yourself.

To have us all believe that you are somehow sitting around waiting for a pro to tell you to go buy Darkfall is really, really laughable.

Who does that.. really?

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by reggie

Ok my bad. DIdnt pay attention.

But anyway. I think alot of reactions from the sceptics are pretty pathetic if i may say so. Not all mind you. There's nothing wrong with being sceptic, its healthy actually. Im speaking of the bashers who seem to scream without thinking.

First off you open the thread to read the review and then complain about you'll be waiting for a review from a 'real' gaming site. In what way exactly do you think a "real" gaming site will have a much different first impression ? Its a first impression, get it ?

Then others come in and read the review and give comments about ill wait 3 months for the real reviews coz right now the game is shiny and new. Ill give you that. Yeah most things are more fun when they are new. Again though.... why do you come and read the review then, from a real gaming site or not ?  Again its a first impression. Though to me it seems like if the game were bashed, first impression or not, you'd be a happy reader and not mention the above.

Why are so many contradicting themselves ?

Im also wondering what exactly it is that for those people makes a review or first impression from a 'real' gaming site so much better then any other well written first impression ? Coz they happen to work for a gaming site and get paid for writing their impressions and reviews ? 

Ok so what makes those gaming site reviewers so special that they are like the pope with the holy bible. Anything they say is the truth ?

Im no expert but lemme think for a minute what would probably be the requirements of a gaming site staffmember who writes reviews;

1) Gaming has to be his hobby

2) Prob needs alot of experience with gaming to be able to be somewhat neutral when reviewing newer games. He has to have experience to review innovation, review by comparison to standards etc etc

3) He has to be able to write well

4) It would prob rock if he/she did some sort of journalism educational background or something simular but i doubt those are easy to get. No idea what they get paid but i can imagine they can get paid alot more with another job.

5) Has to work well with others. Has to follow the rules by which to review a game by and give it points following those rules.

6) Has to follow orders. No boss will ever want a rogue review writer that writes whatever he feels like writing. This works both ways. First off this prevents idiot reviewers to make a mess of a review and 2nd off it prevents reviewers to not follow dictated rules. You could think about reputation of the site and many other things.

Well add some more points if you can think of some more.

Anyway..... so what it comes down to when reviewing the difference between a professional review and a non professional review;

Professional review;

1) chances are he writes better. Im speaking of layout , grammar etc.

2) chances are he follows a fairly strict review table dictated by whoever's in charge and follows the company's vision etc. Thinking of possible important influences reputation etc.

3) ummmmm oh thats about it.... There's no 3rd. Except that for the professional reviewer his job is on the line if he doesnt please company he writes for. Thinking of possible important influences reputation + income.

So what do both unprofessional and professional reviewers have in common. Gaming experience and gaming enthousiasm, hobby. What do they not have in common. The professional reviewer might give more neutral reviews following a stricter table which to use during reviews. Thinking of set standards, innovation etc.

 

 

 

A professional writer, which is likely what review writers are for reputable websites, likly have an educational background in journalism. Believe it or not, college educated people, writers or not, have A LOT of experience writing academic papers without bias, know how to be objective, and is a lot better at articulating their thoughts.

If you think gaming websites color their reviews to please a game company, you're assuming a company has bad business practices. That company wouldn't be in business for long, since readers can clearly see quality work versus half assed work. I don't know IGN well, but their name is everywhere so they must be doing something right.

I didn't read past here, because you're written proof that just anyone shouldn't be taken seriously when they write. You went on a long, non coherent rant and then expected people to take what you said to heart. That blog writer, writing his first impression probably wrote one of the best First Impressions written by an ordinary player I've ever seen, but he's still an ordinary player and you can tell with the amount of bias in his writing.

As many people have said already, this is not IGN review. It's just vault. If i'm not mistaken you do not need a journalism degree to write a review for vault. If you cannot tell his bias towards the game in the review something is wrong. Sure it's not all suckiness and the game sucks, there are good points, however the only bad point he mentioned was the UI? Seriously? 

Actually he mentioned the UI , account verification problems, char appearance/animations, occasional lag , minimalistic melee combat at beginning levels .  I think he wrote a fairly balanced review , its obvious that he enjoyed his time there and that there are still some issues that need ironing out. 

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Originally posted by loxleynew

If you cannot tell his bias towards the game in the review something is wrong. Sure it's not all suckiness and the game sucks, there are good points, however the ONLY bad point he mentioned was the UI? Seriously? 

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"If I had a complaint about the game world, it would be that the water effects are somewhat dated. I imagine that this has to do with the game being in development for so many years, and the technology not reflecting the same bells and whistles gamers have become accustomed to in the last few years."

"Avatars are not the best I've ever seen but definitely not the worst. Somewhat disappointingly, Darkfall's avatars are not on the same level with the stunning game world."

"Character creation is basic but adequate".

"The negative aspect of this system is that /tells will require that you type both the first and last name of the recipient. Not a game breaker in my book, but it drives some people crazy".

"Animation of avatars is equally average. Coming from Age of Conan which I consider the leader in avatar animation and appearance, Darkfall's avatar movement looks very old school."

"Darkfall's UI is a mixed bag."

"The Chat system in Darkfall is not the best I've seen but it's functional."

"Combat may turn some people off of Darkfall. If you are looking for a deep, complex combat system, Darkfall probably will not fulfill that desire."

"Exploits, launch issues, server downtime aside, "

"On the other hand, actually getting the opportunity to buy a Darkfall account causes ulcers."

"I'm not going to proclaim Darkfall is the BEST MMO EVAR! There are some negatives as with any MMORPG at launch. There have been well documented reports of exploits. People are very frustrated with the inability to buy the game. And some have bought the game but have had account authorization problems which prevent them from playing the game. These problems are only compounded by what seems to be insufficient staff to cover customer service needs."

"Obviously there are issues that need to be addressed."

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No, not seriously.

That's sure is an "all home-team review" all right. You know, you really ought to try and mask the fact that you didn't read this article a little better, and are just jumping on the "hate Darkfall" bandwagon.

Saying what you said looks as biased as you claim the reviewer was above.

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.

A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.

A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

indeed paragus, it is.

the simple truth is, Darkfall has succeeded in its goal to create a open PVP sandbox game, and most people looking for this type of game acknowledge there are "newness" issues with the game, and on the whole they are very happy with it.

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other. When professional review after review rates Warhammer so high, then you watch as it consistently loses subscriptions from 750k down to under 300k about now and almost 50 server closing later, you realize either:

A) Hundreds of thousands of people simply "didn't get it" and never saw the awesomeness that was Warhammer professional writers saw OR:

B) Professional reviewers don't know more than anyone else when it comes to measuring "fun".

 

Sure, they know technical jargon; they can tell you how many FPS you get with what rig setup, whether the anti-aliasing is good or not, what engine a company used, and loads of other useless facts and stats about the physical structure of a game.

But what they cannot tell you and what you will never know until you try it for yourself, is just how FUN any game is. Their idea of fun apparently was different than hundreds of thousands of others last year, because they sure didn't see much wrong when they submitted their reviews. I dare anyone to go back and reread some of the reviews this site, or ANY site gave on Warhammer, then gauge that against the actual PAYING customers and what they think/said.

 

Some of you are just haters of the game or their fans, and even if 9.9 out of 10 professional reviewers say Darkfall is worth the money and great fun for the buck, we all know you will still sit on the side not subbing, but still throwing bricks. Your argument will be just like the one given towards the Noob Comic author (the friend of Tasos) who said the game was fun, and you said "Well, of course SHE says that. She's his friend." Now bloggers all over different sites, who are actually PLAYING the game, are saying, "The game is fun; not perfect, but fun" and you say "Bleh.. I'll wait for the pros to review it. Those of you in this thread saying "I'll wait for the pros" and expecting that they will have an idea of what fun you like more than yourself, you have got to be kidding yourself.

To have us all believe that you are somehow sitting around waiting for a pro to tell you to go buy Darkfall is really, really laughable.

Who does that.. really?

So you think I read professional reviews so they can tell me if I will have fun in the game? Do you know how absurd that sounds? No person, as you've stated, can determine whether a game is fun or not, but myself. Because only I know what I find fun. I don't read reviews to see if the game is fun, because fun is subjective. I read reviews to hear objective things about the game, such as which features the game released with, the technical state of the game, the stats you seemed to not give a shit about, and sometimes for the comparisons some reviewers make to games I already played and liked or didn't like.

There's always an exception to a rule, so it's wise to remember that. Some websites, just like brick and mortar companies, have good reputations, while others have bad reputations. I can't believe I'm pointing out the obvious here to you, but by your post, it doesn't seem you're able to come to these conclusions on your own. Instead, you just berate those who are different than you and prefer a professional review. MMORPG.com has a bad reputation for doing bad editorials and reviews, so I never take these reviews seriously. However, I've had pretty good experience with PC Gamer and would take their points of view more seriously than some faboi with a blog.

There are exceptions, but professional writers usually focus on the objective things, features, and the rest of the things I pointed out already and they write it in a well articulated way so I don't need to dumb myself down to read it. Most unprofessional reviews are really biased, don't cover the things that really matter, and are just trying to convince you a game is fun or whatnot.

So to recap, I don't read professional reviews for opinions, I read them for facts. I trust facts coming from professional reviewers much more than facts coming from unprofessional reviewers, because there is more at stake when a professional reviewer reviews a game. I value game comparisons as well, which fanboi's rarely do, especially when their game doesn't measure up to the competition.

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Originally posted by javac

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Originally posted by Paragus1

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Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

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Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.
A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

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indeed paragus, it is.
 
the simple truth is, Darkfall has succeeded in its goal to create a open PVP sandbox game, and most people looking for this type of game acknowledge there are "newness" issues with the game, and on the whole they are very happy with it.

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Its why I respect Paragus' reviews more than most "pros".

I remember when the pros were falling over themselves to lay praise on Warhammer, Paragus' review was one of the first I read that went in-depth on the contribution system and its flaws of randomness awarding. He did not bash the game, he did his research on it and presented a serious flaw which exists to this day SIX months later. That is one of the reasons someone plays a game, and it has bearing on the endgame. For pros not to notice it, or notice it and not speak of it said volumes. He also pointed out other things in game that needed serious work, but most people were poo-pooing. The fact that he was actually PLAYING it while steadily reviewing it gave more credence. He didn't just play it to level 15, like most Pro reviewers, give a glaringly "WOW!" review, then go to review his next assignment waiting on their desk. He was still participating daily so could see and report everything.

I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

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Originally posted by nate1980

 
So you think I read professional reviews so they can tell me if I will have fun in the game? Do you know how absurd that sounds? No person, as you've stated, can determine whether a game is fun or not, but myself. Because only I know what I find fun. I don't read reviews to see if the game is fun, because fun is subjective. I read reviews to hear objective things about the game, such as which features the game released with, the technical state of the game, the stats you seemed to not give a shit about, and sometimes for the comparisons some reviewers make to games I already played and liked or didn't like.
There's always an exception to a rule, so it's wise to remember that. Some websites, just like brick and mortar companies, have good reputations, while others have bad reputations. I can't believe I'm pointing out the obvious here to you, but by your post, it doesn't seem you're able to come to these conclusions on your own. Instead, you just berate those who are different than you and prefer a professional review. MMORPG.com has a bad reputation for doing bad editorials and reviews, so I never take these reviews seriously. However, I've had pretty good experience with PC Gamer and would take their points of view more seriously than some faboi with a blog.
There are exceptions, but professional writers usually focus on the objective things, features, and the rest of the things I pointed out already and they write it in a well articulated way so I don't need to dumb myself down to read it. Most unprofessional reviews are really biased, don't cover the things that really matter, and are just trying to convince you a game is fun or whatnot.
So to recap, I don't read professional reviews for opinions, I read them for facts. I trust facts coming from professional reviewers much more than facts coming from unprofessional reviewers, because there is more at stake when a professional reviewer reviews a game. I value game comparisons as well, which fanboi's rarely do, especially when their game doesn't measure up to the competition.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa friend! Calm down, lol.

I don't know anything about you, nor do I claim to. My post highlights a mentality among certain individuals who DO look to professional reviews as a basis for how much fun they will have or likely to have in a game. These people do exist, you know. It's why they have advertising, lol. I am really sorry that even though I posted a general observation about SOME people, you chose to internalize it and feel it was directly talking to you. It does bring to mind an expression about shoes fitting on some folks and them wearing it, but again... I don't know anything about your personal tastes, nor do I care to so I'll leave that for others or you yourself to judge.

Most people do not care about frame rates, or polygon counts, or general technical issues. It is good you prefer to care about those, as we need all types of consumers. Most people simply want to know.. "Do I think I'll like this game?" Some people even solicit opinion from other players on MMORPG with "What should I play now?" threads, or just say "Help me decide if I should quit this game I've been playing or not". But you make a general observation about me ("the stats you seemed to not give a shit about") and are upset that I make a general statement about real people who feel this way? Quite ironic.

Please do not feel as though you are being attacked. This was not directed at "Nate1980". I do not know, nor care what Nate1980 thinks of Darkfall, or whether he is waiting to hear about the anti-aliasing. I do not know or care why Nate1980 reads professional reviews and respects them above all others views. I don't plan to sign up for Darkfall yet, but when I do, it certainly won't be because Nate1980 says the frame rates suxxor, or because Nate1980 says he loves it. I don't know Nate1980, so why should I trust he'll like what I'LL like?

I think you flatter yourself if you think I was merely referring to you with my post, as if I sent it to your email box.

I love reviews that basically say "everything is GREAT... except for the things that suck." It's inevitable that we'll see worthless reviews (either fanboi or hater) for any new game out there. I lost track of who said it already above, but the only way to really know if you'll like the game is to try it. I agree.

There is never going to be a solid review of this game because they've built up so much hype over it that the fanbois will die before speaking a disparaging word against their precious new universe, and when the game inevitably doesn't live up to the unrealistic expectations that have been set the haters will jump all over it.

I never buy an MMO unless I have tried the 30 free period most games offer, or I see how it works when a friend has bought it and I look over their shoulder while they show me all the goodies it has. None of my friends have gotten it and I'm not holding my breath for a free trial period.

It's also been said before that watching the combat on the forums is more fun than the thought of playing the supposedly glorious and amazing PvP combat of the actual game. Have to agree there too. Kinda funny in a way. I believe that would be irony. :)

Reno

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?