Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by reggie

Ok my bad. DIdnt pay attention.

But anyway. I think alot of reactions from the sceptics are pretty pathetic if i may say so. Not all mind you. There's nothing wrong with being sceptic, its healthy actually. Im speaking of the bashers who seem to scream without thinking.

First off you open the thread to read the review and then complain about you'll be waiting for a review from a 'real' gaming site. In what way exactly do you think a "real" gaming site will have a much different first impression ? Its a first impression, get it ?

Then others come in and read the review and give comments about ill wait 3 months for the real reviews coz right now the game is shiny and new. Ill give you that. Yeah most things are more fun when they are new. Again though.... why do you come and read the review then, from a real gaming site or not ?  Again its a first impression. Though to me it seems like if the game were bashed, first impression or not, you'd be a happy reader and not mention the above.

Why are so many contradicting themselves ?

Im also wondering what exactly it is that for those people makes a review or first impression from a 'real' gaming site so much better then any other well written first impression ? Coz they happen to work for a gaming site and get paid for writing their impressions and reviews ? 

Ok so what makes those gaming site reviewers so special that they are like the pope with the holy bible. Anything they say is the truth ?

Im no expert but lemme think for a minute what would probably be the requirements of a gaming site staffmember who writes reviews;

1) Gaming has to be his hobby

2) Prob needs alot of experience with gaming to be able to be somewhat neutral when reviewing newer games. He has to have experience to review innovation, review by comparison to standards etc etc

3) He has to be able to write well

4) It would prob rock if he/she did some sort of journalism educational background or something simular but i doubt those are easy to get. No idea what they get paid but i can imagine they can get paid alot more with another job.

5) Has to work well with others. Has to follow the rules by which to review a game by and give it points following those rules.

6) Has to follow orders. No boss will ever want a rogue review writer that writes whatever he feels like writing. This works both ways. First off this prevents idiot reviewers to make a mess of a review and 2nd off it prevents reviewers to not follow dictated rules. You could think about reputation of the site and many other things.

Well add some more points if you can think of some more.

Anyway..... so what it comes down to when reviewing the difference between a professional review and a non professional review;

Professional review;

1) chances are he writes better. Im speaking of layout , grammar etc.

2) chances are he follows a fairly strict review table dictated by whoever's in charge and follows the company's vision etc. Thinking of possible important influences reputation etc.

3) ummmmm oh thats about it.... There's no 3rd. Except that for the professional reviewer his job is on the line if he doesnt please company he writes for. Thinking of possible important influences reputation + income.

So what do both unprofessional and professional reviewers have in common. Gaming experience and gaming enthousiasm, hobby. What do they not have in common. The professional reviewer might give more neutral reviews following a stricter table which to use during reviews. Thinking of set standards, innovation etc.

 

 

 

A professional writer, which is likely what review writers are for reputable websites, likly have an educational background in journalism. Believe it or not, college educated people, writers or not, have A LOT of experience writing academic papers without bias, know how to be objective, and is a lot better at articulating their thoughts.

If you think gaming websites color their reviews to please a game company, you're assuming a company has bad business practices. That company wouldn't be in business for long, since readers can clearly see quality work versus half assed work. I don't know IGN well, but their name is everywhere so they must be doing something right.

I didn't read past here, because you're written proof that just anyone shouldn't be taken seriously when they write. You went on a long, non coherent rant and then expected people to take what you said to heart. That blog writer, writing his first impression probably wrote one of the best First Impressions written by an ordinary player I've ever seen, but he's still an ordinary player and you can tell with the amount of bias in his writing.

As many people have said already, this is not IGN review. It's just vault. If i'm not mistaken you do not need a journalism degree to write a review for vault. If you cannot tell his bias towards the game in the review something is wrong. Sure it's not all suckiness and the game sucks, there are good points, however the only bad point he mentioned was the UI? Seriously? 

Actually he mentioned the UI , account verification problems, char appearance/animations, occasional lag , minimalistic melee combat at beginning levels .  I think he wrote a fairly balanced review , its obvious that he enjoyed his time there and that there are still some issues that need ironing out. 

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Originally posted by loxleynew

If you cannot tell his bias towards the game in the review something is wrong. Sure it's not all suckiness and the game sucks, there are good points, however the ONLY bad point he mentioned was the UI? Seriously? 

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"If I had a complaint about the game world, it would be that the water effects are somewhat dated. I imagine that this has to do with the game being in development for so many years, and the technology not reflecting the same bells and whistles gamers have become accustomed to in the last few years."

"Avatars are not the best I've ever seen but definitely not the worst. Somewhat disappointingly, Darkfall's avatars are not on the same level with the stunning game world."

"Character creation is basic but adequate".

"The negative aspect of this system is that /tells will require that you type both the first and last name of the recipient. Not a game breaker in my book, but it drives some people crazy".

"Animation of avatars is equally average. Coming from Age of Conan which I consider the leader in avatar animation and appearance, Darkfall's avatar movement looks very old school."

"Darkfall's UI is a mixed bag."

"The Chat system in Darkfall is not the best I've seen but it's functional."

"Combat may turn some people off of Darkfall. If you are looking for a deep, complex combat system, Darkfall probably will not fulfill that desire."

"Exploits, launch issues, server downtime aside, "

"On the other hand, actually getting the opportunity to buy a Darkfall account causes ulcers."

"I'm not going to proclaim Darkfall is the BEST MMO EVAR! There are some negatives as with any MMORPG at launch. There have been well documented reports of exploits. People are very frustrated with the inability to buy the game. And some have bought the game but have had account authorization problems which prevent them from playing the game. These problems are only compounded by what seems to be insufficient staff to cover customer service needs."

"Obviously there are issues that need to be addressed."

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No, not seriously.

That's sure is an "all home-team review" all right. You know, you really ought to try and mask the fact that you didn't read this article a little better, and are just jumping on the "hate Darkfall" bandwagon.

Saying what you said looks as biased as you claim the reviewer was above.

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.

A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

Originally posted by Paragus1

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.

A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

indeed paragus, it is.

the simple truth is, Darkfall has succeeded in its goal to create a open PVP sandbox game, and most people looking for this type of game acknowledge there are "newness" issues with the game, and on the whole they are very happy with it.

Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other. When professional review after review rates Warhammer so high, then you watch as it consistently loses subscriptions from 750k down to under 300k about now and almost 50 server closing later, you realize either:

A) Hundreds of thousands of people simply "didn't get it" and never saw the awesomeness that was Warhammer professional writers saw OR:

B) Professional reviewers don't know more than anyone else when it comes to measuring "fun".

 

Sure, they know technical jargon; they can tell you how many FPS you get with what rig setup, whether the anti-aliasing is good or not, what engine a company used, and loads of other useless facts and stats about the physical structure of a game.

But what they cannot tell you and what you will never know until you try it for yourself, is just how FUN any game is. Their idea of fun apparently was different than hundreds of thousands of others last year, because they sure didn't see much wrong when they submitted their reviews. I dare anyone to go back and reread some of the reviews this site, or ANY site gave on Warhammer, then gauge that against the actual PAYING customers and what they think/said.

 

Some of you are just haters of the game or their fans, and even if 9.9 out of 10 professional reviewers say Darkfall is worth the money and great fun for the buck, we all know you will still sit on the side not subbing, but still throwing bricks. Your argument will be just like the one given towards the Noob Comic author (the friend of Tasos) who said the game was fun, and you said "Well, of course SHE says that. She's his friend." Now bloggers all over different sites, who are actually PLAYING the game, are saying, "The game is fun; not perfect, but fun" and you say "Bleh.. I'll wait for the pros to review it. Those of you in this thread saying "I'll wait for the pros" and expecting that they will have an idea of what fun you like more than yourself, you have got to be kidding yourself.

To have us all believe that you are somehow sitting around waiting for a pro to tell you to go buy Darkfall is really, really laughable.

Who does that.. really?

So you think I read professional reviews so they can tell me if I will have fun in the game? Do you know how absurd that sounds? No person, as you've stated, can determine whether a game is fun or not, but myself. Because only I know what I find fun. I don't read reviews to see if the game is fun, because fun is subjective. I read reviews to hear objective things about the game, such as which features the game released with, the technical state of the game, the stats you seemed to not give a shit about, and sometimes for the comparisons some reviewers make to games I already played and liked or didn't like.

There's always an exception to a rule, so it's wise to remember that. Some websites, just like brick and mortar companies, have good reputations, while others have bad reputations. I can't believe I'm pointing out the obvious here to you, but by your post, it doesn't seem you're able to come to these conclusions on your own. Instead, you just berate those who are different than you and prefer a professional review. MMORPG.com has a bad reputation for doing bad editorials and reviews, so I never take these reviews seriously. However, I've had pretty good experience with PC Gamer and would take their points of view more seriously than some faboi with a blog.

There are exceptions, but professional writers usually focus on the objective things, features, and the rest of the things I pointed out already and they write it in a well articulated way so I don't need to dumb myself down to read it. Most unprofessional reviews are really biased, don't cover the things that really matter, and are just trying to convince you a game is fun or whatnot.

So to recap, I don't read professional reviews for opinions, I read them for facts. I trust facts coming from professional reviewers much more than facts coming from unprofessional reviewers, because there is more at stake when a professional reviewer reviews a game. I value game comparisons as well, which fanboi's rarely do, especially when their game doesn't measure up to the competition.

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Originally posted by javac

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Originally posted by Paragus1

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Originally posted by popinjay

As far as a "professional" review...

After seeing the professional reviews from this site on Warhammer last year and the high marks around the industry journals/sites, and then seeing reality of the actual game for myself, its obvious that the only difference in most cases between a pro writer and a blogger both playing any game and giving reviews is PAY. One gets paid, one doesn't. That does not mean that one knows more than the other.

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Agreed.  A lot of people have told me that my review is still one of the best around.   I don't even have a backround in journalism, and I have never made a penny on anything I have written.   I graduate from college with a degree in business, and work and manage at my family's manufacturing business.
A game like this is extremely subject to the taste of the player, more so than a lot of other games I think.   The only way to know is to play it for yourself honestly.   That's why I didn't give the game a score out of 10 or anything like that. It is what it is, and some people are going to love it, while others are going to hate it.   All you can really do is lay it all out on the table and let people look it over and decide for themselves.

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indeed paragus, it is.
 
the simple truth is, Darkfall has succeeded in its goal to create a open PVP sandbox game, and most people looking for this type of game acknowledge there are "newness" issues with the game, and on the whole they are very happy with it.

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Its why I respect Paragus' reviews more than most "pros".

I remember when the pros were falling over themselves to lay praise on Warhammer, Paragus' review was one of the first I read that went in-depth on the contribution system and its flaws of randomness awarding. He did not bash the game, he did his research on it and presented a serious flaw which exists to this day SIX months later. That is one of the reasons someone plays a game, and it has bearing on the endgame. For pros not to notice it, or notice it and not speak of it said volumes. He also pointed out other things in game that needed serious work, but most people were poo-pooing. The fact that he was actually PLAYING it while steadily reviewing it gave more credence. He didn't just play it to level 15, like most Pro reviewers, give a glaringly "WOW!" review, then go to review his next assignment waiting on their desk. He was still participating daily so could see and report everything.

I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

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Originally posted by nate1980

 
So you think I read professional reviews so they can tell me if I will have fun in the game? Do you know how absurd that sounds? No person, as you've stated, can determine whether a game is fun or not, but myself. Because only I know what I find fun. I don't read reviews to see if the game is fun, because fun is subjective. I read reviews to hear objective things about the game, such as which features the game released with, the technical state of the game, the stats you seemed to not give a shit about, and sometimes for the comparisons some reviewers make to games I already played and liked or didn't like.
There's always an exception to a rule, so it's wise to remember that. Some websites, just like brick and mortar companies, have good reputations, while others have bad reputations. I can't believe I'm pointing out the obvious here to you, but by your post, it doesn't seem you're able to come to these conclusions on your own. Instead, you just berate those who are different than you and prefer a professional review. MMORPG.com has a bad reputation for doing bad editorials and reviews, so I never take these reviews seriously. However, I've had pretty good experience with PC Gamer and would take their points of view more seriously than some faboi with a blog.
There are exceptions, but professional writers usually focus on the objective things, features, and the rest of the things I pointed out already and they write it in a well articulated way so I don't need to dumb myself down to read it. Most unprofessional reviews are really biased, don't cover the things that really matter, and are just trying to convince you a game is fun or whatnot.
So to recap, I don't read professional reviews for opinions, I read them for facts. I trust facts coming from professional reviewers much more than facts coming from unprofessional reviewers, because there is more at stake when a professional reviewer reviews a game. I value game comparisons as well, which fanboi's rarely do, especially when their game doesn't measure up to the competition.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa friend! Calm down, lol.

I don't know anything about you, nor do I claim to. My post highlights a mentality among certain individuals who DO look to professional reviews as a basis for how much fun they will have or likely to have in a game. These people do exist, you know. It's why they have advertising, lol. I am really sorry that even though I posted a general observation about SOME people, you chose to internalize it and feel it was directly talking to you. It does bring to mind an expression about shoes fitting on some folks and them wearing it, but again... I don't know anything about your personal tastes, nor do I care to so I'll leave that for others or you yourself to judge.

Most people do not care about frame rates, or polygon counts, or general technical issues. It is good you prefer to care about those, as we need all types of consumers. Most people simply want to know.. "Do I think I'll like this game?" Some people even solicit opinion from other players on MMORPG with "What should I play now?" threads, or just say "Help me decide if I should quit this game I've been playing or not". But you make a general observation about me ("the stats you seemed to not give a shit about") and are upset that I make a general statement about real people who feel this way? Quite ironic.

Please do not feel as though you are being attacked. This was not directed at "Nate1980". I do not know, nor care what Nate1980 thinks of Darkfall, or whether he is waiting to hear about the anti-aliasing. I do not know or care why Nate1980 reads professional reviews and respects them above all others views. I don't plan to sign up for Darkfall yet, but when I do, it certainly won't be because Nate1980 says the frame rates suxxor, or because Nate1980 says he loves it. I don't know Nate1980, so why should I trust he'll like what I'LL like?

I think you flatter yourself if you think I was merely referring to you with my post, as if I sent it to your email box.

I love reviews that basically say "everything is GREAT... except for the things that suck." It's inevitable that we'll see worthless reviews (either fanboi or hater) for any new game out there. I lost track of who said it already above, but the only way to really know if you'll like the game is to try it. I agree.

There is never going to be a solid review of this game because they've built up so much hype over it that the fanbois will die before speaking a disparaging word against their precious new universe, and when the game inevitably doesn't live up to the unrealistic expectations that have been set the haters will jump all over it.

I never buy an MMO unless I have tried the 30 free period most games offer, or I see how it works when a friend has bought it and I look over their shoulder while they show me all the goodies it has. None of my friends have gotten it and I'm not holding my breath for a free trial period.

It's also been said before that watching the combat on the forums is more fun than the thought of playing the supposedly glorious and amazing PvP combat of the actual game. Have to agree there too. Kinda funny in a way. I believe that would be irony. :)

Reno

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

Originally posted by popinjay

I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

I for one don't read a profesional review to see if he enjoyed the game i read it to get facts that a casual blogger does not know or that he gathered from 3rd party (sites or people). One thing is to expect facts and statistics from a reviewer and another thing is to read on someones personal impressions of how the game acts and speculations on its future(either financial future or gameplay features). Individual bloggers for the most part don't have a standard and that(based on your point of view) is either a bad or a good thing. In the post that the OP linked to all i see is personal opinions of the one who wrote the article wich in most part can only be understood by people who have followed the game. Also the writer himself states

"This editorial will not be a comprehensive review, but will offer an overview of basic game mechanics, and serve as a journal of my first couple of days as a Mirdain Elf in the beautiful but deadly world of Agon." and that is all it does, it dosen't go into details and therefore is devoid of facts.

"I would also recommend you give Darkfall a try." and that is what i'm going to do WHEN their going to have the trials until then i will not(and practically CAN'T) even touch the game.

P.S. This topic should also be changed as it's not a "first impression from ign.com". What if i make a blog on mmorpg.com and link it on another website as a "first impression from mmorpg.com" would that make it so?

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

I think the topic needs to be changed.  Its a bit misleading.  This review may have come from IGN, but it isn't a sanctioned review by them.

IGN and VN are the same entity, just different sites.

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Originally posted by popinjay
I'll generally take a blogger's viewpoint over pro's most days. They don't have anyone to answer to usually regarding money, so they are free to say what they really feel. They don't owe it to a game to say good things or bad things. For them, its about personal reputation and pride, its not a 9-5. Paragus, or ANY blogger knows if they comes out and say "Tabula Rasa and Vanguard wer the best games ever", glossing over serious flaws, who'd read his blog after that?

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I for one don't read a profesional review to see if he enjoyed the game i read it to get facts that a casual blogger does not know or that he gathered from 3rd party (sites or people). One thing is to expect facts and statistics from a reviewer and another thing is to read on someones personal impressions of how the game acts and speculations on its future(either financial future or gameplay features). Individual bloggers for the most part don't have a standard and that(based on your point of view) is either a bad or a good thing. In the post that the OP linked to all i see is personal opinions of the one who wrote the article wich in most part can only be understood by people who have followed the game. Also the writer himself states
"This editorial will not be a comprehensive review, but will offer an overview of basic game mechanics, and serve as a journal of my first couple of days as a Mirdain Elf in the beautiful but deadly world of Agon." and that is all it does, it dosen't go into details and therefore is devoid of facts.
"I would also recommend you give Darkfall a try." and that is what i'm going to do WHEN their going to have the trials until then i will not(and practically CAN'T) even touch the game.
P.S. This topic should also be changed as it's not a "first impression from ign.com". What if i make a blog on mmorpg.com and link it on another website as a "first impression from mmorpg.com" would that make it so?

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I know this is going to be a news flash to you, but ALL gamer reviews are PERSONAL opinions. Blogger or Professional. Fanboi or Troll. They all are one man's (or woman's) personal opinion. I do not know why you fail to see that. The fact that someone wears a hat that says "GogoMMO.com Chief Writer" gives the review any more credence, unless he has vast technical issues regarding the game.. which again, most buyers do NOT care about. They only want to know if their computer can run the game, and if they think they'll have fun in it. Any blogger can give this exact same information.

For the most part, a blogger will play a particular game longer and HARDER than any professional reviewer will. Why? Plenty of them have loads of free time and play the game hours on end. The writer has to play some, then write some, then go to the office, then do whatever else at the office between meetings and otherwise, not counting family time. Bloggers usually know the ends/outs of any particular game and most writers DEPEND on bloggers usually a great deal. Example: I don't know too many staff writers who have a job and are running their own guilds that I've read. But I've read plenty of bloggers who take IN staff writers in the games they play in their guilds. Paragus is a good example. He has his own large guild and plays games quite a bit. The average staff writer doesn't do this. There is no way a casual player/writer is going to have the playtime Paragus has, and seen all the issues. So why would I assume they know more because they appear "objective", when in most cases, they end it with a rating anyways? Which is.. what again? Their own PERSONAL rating. It's not like the writer plays WoW, writes everything up, then comes into the office shows the boss and they all vote on what to give it... even though the boss didn't play WoW. It is the writer's opinion only.

Again, while you personally may not read a pro review to see if he enjoyed the game, but many people do, or we wouldn't have so many PC mags and reviews in them. That is the reality, because you are among the chosen few who do their own testing/thinking is irrelevant. The majority do not or even want to do that. Just read around sites and it should be glaringly obvious.

Yeah that review was just okay. To be honest, I know he left a lot of stuff out of that review, and I know why. I've never understood why people read so much into reviews, as they are just personal opinions. And that review is no exception, especially after reading the first paragraph. Darkfall is a game that you will either love or hate. No review will show you that, you have to just play it. The game world is amazing, and I really wish some developer would create a PvE world like that.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

 

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

Aoc got good reviews on every website.It was only until about 1 1/2 and 2 months later when players realize that sieges where not coming any time soon, funcom sucks at patching mistake in aoc and people notice that content ran out around level 50 -70 did complaints start to come in.It  took months before game sites rereview aoc with low grades. I am not predicting the same thing but i would not be suprised if it happened to DF.

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

it's cause noone but carebears and trolls care about that shit. darkfall is first and foremost a PVP game and on that basis it delivers.

Originally posted by ArchMarduk

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by ValiumSummer

Originally posted by NightbladeX1

Further proof that IGN write ups are worthless.

 

The screen shots back up this author's claims about a beautiful game world.  I think you are trying to hard to dislike this game.  Let it go man.   Deep breaths.  

 

prestige classes, personal housing, housing that is totally customizable, crafting system that is non-repetitive, in-game trade boards?, prompt and swift customer service, advanced features & technologies never before seen in online games, next generation, farming - setting snares - hunting animals?, sophisticated trading system that works in and out of game, pets and npc hirelings - ranging from tamed animals to monsters - to summoned skeletons - charmed animals and monsters - hired npc merchants - hired npc guards - etc.

trying hard?  or did IGN have no clue what's been cut from the game, BUT is still listed on the website.   all of the above is still on the website as of NOW, as is "hi we're beta testing, come join the beta".

please.

 

I just want to point out this post again since in my opinion says it all about this game and it's, in some ppl's visions, extraordinary gameplay, options and overall "awesomeness".

And I'm just bewildered that no one is making any comments about this.

well, you have to keep something in mind... the "their game" or "game i've been waiting all my life for" is not anything deep and revolutionary.

it is a persistent world semi-fps pvp game with full looting.  that's all.

i've yet to really see where this game offers anything else.  you can nitpick this or that.

eve has over 300 skills.  no exaggeration, no hidden anything, no super secrecy involved.

eve has massive battles on a regular basis.

eve has territorial disputes.

eve has full looting of whatever is left AFTER the explosion.

oh, eve doesn't have shadows in which to hide.

nor does it have clunky movement and whack a mole combat mechanics.

for a f2p persistent world fps-mmo game, darkfall doesn't look too horrible,  i mean you'd expect those type of graphics/animations/combat style, from a so/so f2p game.

but for an indie game -- eve online costs $20 for the digital download and they are as indie as you get....

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

Originally posted by jimsmith08

thats an excellent write up,thanks for linking it. I like the option of having a last name-why dont more MMOs do that? Only lotro and guild wars have recently allowed you to do that.

If it werent for the limited combat and what appears to be limited builds options,id definately shell out for this game even if just for the random pvp.

DDO allows a second name as well........but yeah having a second name is a BIG selling point in any game and truly a feature worthy of note. It makes or breaks it. How could anyone possibly play a game without having a second name? Stuff graphics, gameplay, sound and lasting value. Just give me a second name and I'm sorted for life.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

well, a recent lie is "300 players in a pvp battles FIRST TIME EVER IN AN MMO".

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by EvolvedMonky

My theory on why most the non fanboys are lashing out in this thread is once again a fanboi pulled a tasos.

Just like the 200+ player battles and now ign.com profesional review. 

It just seems to weird why most the fans try so hard to sell this game.  Did the Ganker community run out of normal players already?

 

Wow your name really suits you, so wait, wait wait wait wait.

 

Your telling us, that you never once got back from a movie, show, football game, or anything and immedietely told your friend about it? Its not about selling the game its about the feeling of community, one with involvement. Its human nature, simple as that. When I saw "Watchmen" This weekend I went home, and told all my friends about it. Alot of my friends were telling me "IT doesnt look that good" but I convinced two of my friends to go see it and they loved it.

Then you know what made me feel good, being able to talk to them about it after they saw it so I could go "See I told you it was going to be good!" Maybe you cant understand that some people have pride in what they do, or experiance.

 

 

Your right my name does suit me cause it went way over your head.

Its like saying I caught a fish this big, when you actualy just snagged a rock.

That was the point of my post. I find it wierd that alot of darkfall fanatics hype DF to the point of stretching the truth.

And yes the exchange of information is natural to social animals but to lie and give miss information for the sole purpose of  having others believe in what you do. Is a self esteem issue and not the call of the wild.

Also "community" drive instills conformaty with the crowd. Ie Sheep mentality. 

 

Care to say what all these lies are Monkeybone? Sheep Mentality? Please!  Your just the same as every other helpless troll on here, your just looking for an easy target to vent your anger, let me guess SWG vet? Yea I know I was there once too.

 

well, a recent lie is "300 players in a pvp battles FIRST TIME EVER IN AN MMO".

 

Link?