Originally posted by drago_pl

Too bad it's goon propaganda but ohh well, at least you see how all trolls calling it's lag fest was wrong.

www.youtube.com/watch

Sorry to point this out, but your title is misleading. Murder Herd was attacked by about 8 separate guilds, so it wasn't even close to 100 v 100. We were outnumbered 3v1, and those "snipets" of videos are simply propaganda. Yes, our leader was killed, but what do you expect when you have a zerg attacking you with less then 10 minutes to get people on and prepare to defend yourselves?

Too bad they didn't show how the actually fight really was like, since those snipets don't do justice to how much fun it was. It really was quite a show.

Originally posted by goneglockin

This game looks like a one trick pony to me.  I had high hopes for years that this game would deliver on it's promises to provide a virtual world with levels of freedom not previously offered.  Instead we get this amateur hour, wanna-be FPS game.  Apparently Aventurine thought FFA-PvP and manual combat was the big hook and not their bullshit vision, the one that WAS too good to be true, they talked up for all those years..  Everything else about the game seems shallow or poorly done.

Who seriously wants to play this?  Who wants to play an empty, shallow MMORPG that plays like a piss-poor FPS game?

I'm actually a rabid FPS MP fan.  I've been playing them since you had to tie up the phone line by dialing your friends modem.  After so many years of practice, I'm quite good and clean house in any server of my current game I walk into without even trying.  But guess what?  I have my FPS games to play and they don't cost a god damn subscription!  What do I need this shit for?  I wanted DarkFall the vision, not DarkFall the sunday-school shooter.

I have lost all interest in this game.  Mortal online and Earthrise are on the way.  I'm not desperate to play an MMO as FPS games offer equally rewarding MP experiences FOR FREE.  I can wait.

What the hell is it with these zealous rants from people not even playing the game.

Have fun in mortal online will probably see you there.  Looks like an interesting game and the devs are cool.

There is a lot more to darkfall then a wanna be fps.  It is a very good game.  Great PvE,  great PvP,  ok crafting and harvesting,  and decent economy.

Originally posted by gotha

There is a lot more to darkfall then a wanna be fps.  It is a very good game.  Great PvE,  great PvP,  ok crafting and harvesting,  and decent economy.

There IS a lot more to DF then the PvP.  But- it isn't anything we've seen before time and again and what's worse is the implementation of that other content can be described as "poor" at best.  There is nothing special about this game. 

I caught the best years of PlanetSide, I've played in massive battles.  I've played well executed and thought out MMORPGs too.

So what's new?  All these years and the best they  could do was pump out this sorry "unit." ... ?  Especially after all their big talk, their lies, and now- their sorry ass excuse for customer service, It's a god damned insult.  That's the only they've managed to succeed at when it comes to the experience with name brand companies, treat you like dog shit.

Why are people posting bitter rants?  PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF!  A lot of us have followed this game for more than a handful of years.  That's lot of time wasted on forums, interviews, hype and anticipation for what has turned out to be a turd sandwich.  I wish nothing but misery and failure for those clowns at aventurine.

Originally posted by goneglockin

Originally posted by gotha

There is a lot more to darkfall then a wanna be fps.  It is a very good game.  Great PvE,  great PvP,  ok crafting and harvesting,  and decent economy.

 

There IS a lot more to DF then the PvP.  But- it isn't anything we've seen before time and again and what's worse is the implementation of that other content can be described as "poor" at best.  There is nothing special about this game. 

I caught the best years of PlanetSide, I've played in massive battles.  I've played well executed and thought out MMORPGs too.

So what's new?  All these years and the best they  could do was pump out this sorry "unit." ... ?  Especially after all their big talk, their lies, and now- their sorry ass excuse for customer service, It's a god damned insult.  That's the only they've managed to succeed at when it comes to the experience with name brand companies, treat you like dog shit.

Why are people posting bitter rants?  PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF!  A lot of us have followed this game for more than a handful of years.  That's lot of time wasted on forums, interviews, hype and anticipation for what has turned out to be a turd sandwich.  I wish nothing but misery and failure for those clowns at aventurine.

Watch your blood pressure grandpa

Originally posted by drago_pl

 

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Originally posted by rageagainst

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Originally posted by drago_pl

 

 

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Originally posted by rageagainst

 

 
not an EVE fan by any means, but maxnrosy is right you little DF fanboi, you should be glad the topic is on whether or not DF has brought "massive" back into mmo's instead of "DF has lowered the bar tremendously on MMO launches" and "DF proves once and for all independent companies cannot make an mmo"

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You are pretty funny and clueless at same time. CCP was even smaller company while they launched EVE. For first month is was unplayable piece of shit. Look at it now. I really love EVE but I think DF requires more player skill during fight.
BTW. Introduce friendly fire and manual targeting to EVE and we will see how stable and how many people can play. If all you see during this 1000 battles in eve are bunch of dots all over the screen then you can't compare it to other mmorpgs.

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trying to prove a point, but you said it yourself, EvE was shit at launch, again was trying to prove a point.
 
And yes, EVE was the 1st to bring massive back into mmo not Darkfall.

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Can't argue with that. EVE was first to bring massive into mmo. That's why I played it well over 2 years. Still Darkfall is first that bring massive to character control mmorpgs. There is a long way for DF before it will be at current stage of EVE while talking about features but as for now I really like it and I can assure you many other people will be playing it because there are no other options really (besides EVE but not everyone likes being space ship :P)

That ui can agree with, well atleast i cannot lable you a fanboi like the other 2 who fail to reconize eve.

2 the 2 fanbois who called me out. Make a stance. 1st you get trolled about char animations and stuff then claim its the game play that counts. Now you both dare to bash eve, one even conisdering it not even a mmo. If you enjoy darkfall and claim the animations have nothing to do with your enjoyment of the game, then who are you to flame another game which aims at the same thing, its the gameplay that matters. Different games for different people.  Doth dark fall and eve fall into the same category, both are mmos.

Heck if you both had a brain you could have easly gotten away with saying darkfall is the 1st sandbox mmorpg in a seamless non instanced world.

you would have took the gold for that one and the naysayers wont be able to retort.

I like the no targeting in combat, but Dark Age of Camelot is still better.  Imagine if DAoC had no targeting /drool.  Why can't a developer come along and make a game with 3 realms fighting over items of power...oh wait someone already did.  It's the perfect PvP game :)

This game looks like crap....stiff animations and the enviroment looks crap... too bad could of been a nice one...but cant play games that looks like poo...

Originally posted by pesmund

This game looks like crap....stiff animations and the enviroment looks crap... too bad could of been a nice one...but cant play games that looks like poo...

The graphics and animations remind me of the original DOOM game rofl....if they used bows and swords, but they used guns and chainsaws :)  Kind of sad that a game 16 years older has better graphics

It's bad.  But it's not 1993 Bad.

Originally posted by goneglockin

Originally posted by gotha

There is a lot more to darkfall then a wanna be fps.  It is a very good game.  Great PvE,  great PvP,  ok crafting and harvesting,  and decent economy.

 

There IS a lot more to DF then the PvP.  But- it isn't anything we've seen before time and again and what's worse is the implementation of that other content can be described as "poor" at best.  There is nothing special about this game. 

I caught the best years of PlanetSide, I've played in massive battles.  I've played well executed and thought out MMORPGs too.

So what's new?  All these years and the best they  could do was pump out this sorry "unit." ... ?  Especially after all their big talk, their lies, and now- their sorry ass excuse for customer service, It's a god damned insult.  That's the only they've managed to succeed at when it comes to the experience with name brand companies, treat you like dog shit.

Why are people posting bitter rants?  PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF!  A lot of us have followed this game for more than a handful of years.  That's lot of time wasted on forums, interviews, hype and anticipation for what has turned out to be a turd sandwich.  I wish nothing but misery and failure for those clowns at aventurine.

Well sorry to break it too you but the game is not piss poorly implemented at all.  Sure it is nothing ground breaking revolutionary,  but it is a good combination of aspects of games we liked in the past executed pretty well in a new game.

This is likely one of my favorite games to date and i do nothing but wish the best for aventurine.  I do have complaints about the game,  but non if even remotely adds up this zealot absurd rants which seem to come mostly from people who have never even touched the game.

That video just looked like a load of confused people running around shooting at anything that they could see.

i'm actually suprised the developers made each characters legs move as an animation since the whole upper body it just ridged as a rocky mountain.

Team Fortress 2 skirmishes look more strategic.

I gotta say though, why is it that those magic fireball things just carry on heading in the direction that it as fired?? does it not dissipate at all?  so you can fire one from miles away and it will keep going until it hits something? so much for needing a strategy for that lol, just stand miles away at the back and launching blue orbs of hopefulness.

Darkfall is no different to a FPS being played on a multiplayer server.  its just the arena and the player limit are larger....

...oh and you pay a monthly fee lol.

Originally posted by gotha

The game is less then 10 days old.  Everyone in darkfall is the same right now cause most are still working up through the lesser schools to get to one of the 10 biggers schools.  Even in the lesser schools you see different weapons,  pole arms,  board and sword (or ax or mace),  great swords are all viable weapons with difference after some tweeks.  Daggers,  axes,  and i think great maces (not sure)  still need some tweaking.  Especially daggers.  Before they are more viable in combat.

 

Polearm is slow but works well broadly and has good reach

Great sword is pretty similar but is slightly faster

 

X and board is good cause u can use it on mounts,  you can block pole arms very easily (i tested this with a 300 ping)

 

Daggers do alot of fast damage close up but the reach makes them not very viable.  Axes have similar problems.

 

Maces normally work better against heavily armor people,

Bro... That^^ was the same excuss people used on the beta boards the first month in after they stopped wiping characters.

Lets see if you can use that same excuss 1 month from now...  When everyone is STILL the same.  We should already be seeing differences in people using faster daggers and 1-handers+shields. So, go on and believe what you want, but you know damn well 30 days in, nothing is going to change and people will still be using the same fighting style.

Because Darkfall is one dimensional, period!  Most the people who are actually defending Darkfall are doing so on the premis that it sucks now, but will get better. The concept of FPS, PvP combat is too hard to let go, even though Combat actually sucks. You cannot seperate the idea of how awsome it could be, from what actually is.

What you people don't understand, is that nothing will change, Aventurine just doesn't have the talent to implament it the way we think it's going to be. You watch...  one month in we all will still be waiting for this miracle patch Tasos kept telling us was comming.  Now the game is released and nothing changed...    will it ever?

Originally posted by Mr_Hand

Originally posted by gotha

The game is less then 10 days old.  Everyone in darkfall is the same right now cause most are still working up through the lesser schools to get to one of the 10 biggers schools.  Even in the lesser schools you see different weapons,  pole arms,  board and sword (or ax or mace),  great swords are all viable weapons with difference after some tweeks.  Daggers,  axes,  and i think great maces (not sure)  still need some tweaking.  Especially daggers.  Before they are more viable in combat.

 

Polearm is slow but works well broadly and has good reach

Great sword is pretty similar but is slightly faster

 

X and board is good cause u can use it on mounts,  you can block pole arms very easily (i tested this with a 300 ping)

 

Daggers do alot of fast damage close up but the reach makes them not very viable.  Axes have similar problems.

 

Maces normally work better against heavily armor people,

 

Bro... That^^ was the same excuss people used on the beta boards the first month in after they stopped wiping characters.

 

Lets see if you can use that same excuss 1 month from now...  When everyone is STILL the same.  We should already be seeing differences in people using faster daggers and 1-handers+shields. So, go on and believe what you want, but you know damn well 30 days in, nothing is going to change and people will still be using the same fighting style.

Because Darkfall is one dimensional, period!  Most the people who are actually defending Darkfall are doing so on the premis that it sucks now, but will get better. The concept of FPS, PvP combat is too hard to let go, even though Combat actually sucks. You cannot seperate the idea of how awsome it could be, from what actually is.

What you people don't understand, is that nothing will change, Aventurine just doesn't have the talent to implament it the way we think it's going to be. You watch...  one month in we all will still be waiting for this miracle patch Tasos kept telling us was comming.  Now the game is released and nothing changed...    will it ever?

 

more  the opposite..it is great now and the best combat available in an MMORPG that can even get even better ..and maybe get on par with not MMORPG combat games...what was an illusion before with DarkFall it may become true.  

Originally posted by Roin

Not sure how to say this without creating problems.  My question is though.  Why is it that even in this video you see the same spell being cast as all the others (mana missile or whatever it's called)?  Every Darkfall video I've seen the same spell.  Are all the other spells just useless?

It is the spell that everyone learns as a new player, and uses no reagant.

It is still very early in the game, and very few people have unlocked the higher end spells.  The elemental magic, which I and a few friends have unlocked the early stages of, are much more efficient.

i think you need to wait atleast 2.3 months more before you are gonna see more magic spell

i am playing alot and i am glad i reached high enough lesser magic to get greater magic

that is a totall of now 3 attack spells 2 of wich cost a reagent and are not spammable because of a small cooldown

later on in greater magic you get another attack spell and then in the next schools you get more attack spells.

so if you want to see other spells you need to wait i think atleast 1 more months if not more

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by goneglockin

Originally posted by gotha

There is a lot more to darkfall then a wanna be fps.  It is a very good game.  Great PvE,  great PvP,  ok crafting and harvesting,  and decent economy.

 

There IS a lot more to DF then the PvP.  But- it isn't anything we've seen before time and again and what's worse is the implementation of that other content can be described as "poor" at best.  There is nothing special about this game. 

I caught the best years of PlanetSide, I've played in massive battles.  I've played well executed and thought out MMORPGs too.

So what's new?  All these years and the best they  could do was pump out this sorry "unit." ... ?  Especially after all their big talk, their lies, and now- their sorry ass excuse for customer service, It's a god damned insult.  That's the only they've managed to succeed at when it comes to the experience with name brand companies, treat you like dog shit.

Why are people posting bitter rants?  PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF!  A lot of us have followed this game for more than a handful of years.  That's lot of time wasted on forums, interviews, hype and anticipation for what has turned out to be a turd sandwich.  I wish nothing but misery and failure for those clowns at aventurine.

Well sorry to break it too you but the game is not piss poorly implemented at all.  Sure it is nothing ground breaking revolutionary,  but it is a good combination of aspects of games we liked in the past executed pretty well in a new game.

This is likely one of my favorite games to date and i do nothing but wish the best for aventurine.  I do have complaints about the game,  but non if even remotely adds up this zealot absurd rants which seem to come mostly from people who have never even touched the game.

wrong fanboi, everything that doesn't involve the archery/magery and clan implimentation is horribly implimented. Like i couldn't think of a WORSE way to impliment it. They've fixed some of their epic fails before release thankfully (like the alignment system, and people deleting items right before dying, and the guild seige system, which was pathetic before launch... these features aren't GOOD atm but they are 100x better than the epic fails they were.) but really there are some serious fails still to be found. Crafting is useless b/c nearly everything a crafter can make is easier obtained by farming, Magic is REALLY REALLY hard to level in comparision to melee, Pots are necessary for combat and hard to obtain, skills have effects by tiers, skill make a difference only in that they allow you to do more damage with higher level weapons (if a lvl 100 archer holds a lvl 0 bow, he will do around as much damage as most would with a lvl 0 bow) emphasizing gear over skill, gathering is atleast 10x more fun in WoW, Melee is the equivalent of CS knife fighting except you move like in goldeneye, Blocking unrealistically has no effect in 1v1 pvp unless you are trying to run the other guy out of stamina by just blocking, 1handers are useless unless you plan to fight on a mount- you can use a shield and switch quickly to a 2h weapon, the devs were suprised that everyone sprinted all the time during combat even though sprinting had such a LOW STAMINA COST, there are safezones with instakill gaurd towers in the MIDDLE of the wilderness, and AI has become really buggy as the game continued on and it no longer attacks smart; mobs act like bosses of a SNES game- they do one of 3 things completely randomly- run, melee attack, and kite with a bow.

NOT SAYING that this game is hopeless, right now it can't justify anything over 10$ price tag, unless people are giving money to it like a charity, but given that it survives 2-3months and the game starts to look more like a launch ready game, it will be epic.

<p>Cool film, thanks for the link. lotsa of trash talking in it tho <img src="http://images.mmorpg.com/images/emoticons/emt_crazy2.gif" alt="" /></p>

Originally posted by Tsukano

Originally posted by Roin

Not sure how to say this without creating problems.  My question is though.  Why is it that even in this video you see the same spell being cast as all the others (mana missile or whatever it's called)?  Every Darkfall video I've seen the same spell.  Are all the other spells just useless?

 

since players havent had alot of time to level up magic skills (and from what i can tell, most people focus on melee/archery) no one is going to have alot of attack spells. I think there is only 1 in lesser magic (mana missle) might be a second but dont remember, but you need 50 in lesser just to buy greater magic (then 50 in greater to buy the elementals, or 25 if ur goin WC or SC) so ya thats why you see only mana missles so far. I have seen a few poison bolts (or whatever the poison dd is) allready since release but that was from 1 player. Also if i remember (btw havent played yet) mana missle is free to cast (except the mana cost) while other spells require regents.

I've like to know how a flying blue ring passed off as an interesting spell effect.  Who gave a green light for that?  I'd be ashamed to put my name behind it.  Yeah, its a low level basic spell but its a low level basic spell that looks horrible.

On a side note, how the hell did the lame animations pass as acceptable?  Who is the developer that said, "this is good enough".  Oh well that could be the problem.  Its all just  "good enough".

Originally posted by drago_pl

Too bad it's goon propaganda but ohh well, at least you see how all trolls calling it's lag fest was wrong.

www.youtube.com/watch

I am sorry but what exactly did we see in that video?maybe 15 players max?ALL the textures seem to look orange/brown VERY low poly,nothing exciting or glamorous to watch.

The animations were still real bad ,all we see is the same old one swing melee and the one animation spell[blue bubble] and the same old one animation ranged[bow].Total animations/effects on screen were VERY low,it looked so uninspiring,might as well be playing a smallish normal 6 player group game.

It basically did NOT look massive and no where near a 100 vs 100 battle.I doubt DF will ever get to the level of exciting or a great looking combat,frankly i don't see it meeting any criteria to warrant using the word FUN?One animation IMO is NOT fun,be it using the melee/magic or ranged.Bland looking backdrop and texture use again bores me.Nothing animated showing on the screen and half the players and view distance cut off,again VERY boring,so you can see it meets nothing to warrant FUN.

To be honest if that was PVE combat i would not play one minute of that bore fest,the fact that PVP needs to go even further than PVE and this clearly DOES NOT,means it is a big time fail as far as PVP goes.

Originally posted by Spiritof55

Originally posted by Tsukano

Originally posted by Roin

Not sure how to say this without creating problems.  My question is though.  Why is it that even in this video you see the same spell being cast as all the others (mana missile or whatever it's called)?  Every Darkfall video I've seen the same spell.  Are all the other spells just useless?

 

since players havent had alot of time to level up magic skills (and from what i can tell, most people focus on melee/archery) no one is going to have alot of attack spells. I think there is only 1 in lesser magic (mana missle) might be a second but dont remember, but you need 50 in lesser just to buy greater magic (then 50 in greater to buy the elementals, or 25 if ur goin WC or SC) so ya thats why you see only mana missles so far. I have seen a few poison bolts (or whatever the poison dd is) allready since release but that was from 1 player. Also if i remember (btw havent played yet) mana missle is free to cast (except the mana cost) while other spells require regents.

 

I've like to know how a flying blue ring passed off as an interesting spell effect.  Who gave a green light for that?  I'd be ashamed to put my name behind it.  Yeah, its a low level basic spell but its a low level basic spell that looks horrible.

On a side note, how the hell did the lame animations pass as acceptable?  Who is the developer that said, "this is good enough".  Oh well that could be the problem.  Its all just  "good enough".

 

Man why do people complain about little stuff like this?

I can see this now when I get ingame:

"Omg this magic missile looks sooooo lame!!!! I'm so gonna cancel my sub"

Um noooo. A lot of people have been playing UO and Linkrealms. If I cared about graphics- I'd be playing console games seriously