Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t.  ROFL

Originally posted by Vince_G

Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of bs.  ROFL

you should stop talking and play your game cause you sound like someone who just got OWNED bad.

Go go, come on play it wait are the server down? Anyways... he makes valid points and it was a very nice post while the only thing you say is nonsense crap that finish with "go back to your wow theme park".

Veeeeery mature. But you reflect the DF fanbase pretty well thanks for making us really not want to buy their product.

I got owned by someone who hasn't even played the game, but judged it by a bunch of youtube videos? I'm at work btw. Oh he only has blue gear in WOW and plays fps's he's the expert on Darkfall alright.

The combat is what turned me off from this game. It just looks foolish when I see somebody swinging a sword and hitting nonthing but air hoping the other player runs into there blade. Darkfalls combat is not a step foward but a step backwards.

I've played every game I've seen listed here and I like the combat in DF. Is it earth shattering? no, but it's a lot of fun and a heck of a lot more skilled than Every mainstream MMO out there.

There's certainly not the mental strategy of buttom mashing 1 3 5 3 5 1 again again and again like in other games that auto target.

If you don't want to play then don't, but when I get home from work I'll be playing Darkfall and I have a choice of everything out there.

The last thing I'll post on this thread is that players have barely touched the skill tree. There's a lot of skills left to be discovered and mastered. We don't know the entire potiential, and yet if it stayed exactly like what I know about I'd still play it over the other games that are out right now.

Hopefully there will be other games that take it furter, but right now I'm satisfied.

it seems to me that there are 2 types of people. Type A) are people who have not played Darkfall and make there own assumptions mostly negative based on what little info they have seen and B) those who are actually playing Darkfall and enjoying the game  immensely.  You can't please everyone,  but if your a fan of mmo's and your just hating on this game without even giving it a shot, your only cheating yourself out of a really fun and unique experience.

Originally posted by Vince_G

it seems to me that there are 2 types of people. Type A) are people who have not played Darkfall and make there own assumptions mostly negative based on what little info they have seen and B) those who are actually playing Darkfall and enjoying the game  immensely.  You can't please everyone,  but if your a fan of mmo's and your just hating on this game without even giving it a shot, your only cheating yourself out of a really fun and unique experience.

There's not a type C, people who played the game and thought it sucked donkey balls?

Kind of hard to put me into those two categories without having an option C :)

Originally posted by Korvenus

The combat is what turned me off from this game. It just looks foolish when I see somebody swinging a sword and hitting nonthing but air hoping the other player runs into there blade. Darkfalls combat is not a step foward but a step backwards.

Actaully you got it backwards.  Press 1 button and expecting your character to follow another and swing with successful hits on each swing (Regardless o fany defense, or "Dodging" abillities) is a step backwards.  The thing that is really exciting about darkfall is the twitch combat,  and no one ever said it is going to have mount and blade combat, merely stated it will be like mount and blade.  And even though darkfall has its faults, atm its the funnest thing I played since Darktide.  And everyone knows, other than the fact that its common sense, that darkfall IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.  I would much prefer someone taking Dark Messiah (of course with balance tweaks and certain changes) and turning that combat into an MMO.  World like darkfall, graphics, physics and combat like dark messiah.  I believe we'd have a winnarz!

But the fact of having collision detection, which im assuming is your gripe of swinging into air, and twitch combat are much more revolutionary than you think.  Having actual player skill in ties with certain equipment goes along way in making a game fun, other than who can get the highest tier weapons.  I'd suggest you give it a check **IF** they release a trial.

Originally posted by Vince_G

Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t.  ROFL

Meh.. its for anyone who comes close

You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.

Enjoy your facist regime. 

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t.  ROFL

 

Meh.. its for anyone who comes close

You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.

Enjoy your facist regime. 

Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?

on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!

Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game.  And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game.  Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.

Originally posted by KOrnfan4evr

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t.  ROFL

 

Meh.. its for anyone who comes close

You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.

Enjoy your facist regime. 

 

Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?

on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!

Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game.  And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game.  Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.

Not its fine to have a opinion. This is the internet. If you don't  opinons then this is the wrong place to be.   If you want one sided moronic view points just go over to the DF forums. You can pretend you didn't see that sizeable crtical post just vanish. Just shout "go back to WOW" loud enough or simply engage in the "teh lulz" behaviour. This is an open community forum. Many people here have followed the game and are fed up with AV and the bullshit - o - meter is beyond anything seen form any release previously. The contradictory amount of material from. This game will be trolled for a long time to come. And it deserves a bit of a ass kicking. Its developers little profitable(?)  bubble needs a little bit of a poke.

The game has zero chance of evolving whilst this censorship goes on. But we all know that the NDA... the closed  pay for beta... ( yes it is)... is all part of how AV works. Whereas the game is probably not a scam ... its developers are borderline immoral idiots. Heck I don't rule out Lord Tasos doing a runner, such is my faith in AV and its openess.

I do not want to see any other MMO produced like this one. This doesn't mean no indie. It means lengthy NDA... no stress testing... snotty arsed secretive interviews, over hyped lists of items, citing other game directly which are known success and leaching off them and finally  pushing out of potential critical review sites. 

God forbid SOE figures out just how far you can abuse an audience and still get box sales. We'd be shafted.

Anyways I suspect the Df forums wil shrtly go private so you may never frequent anyhere again that says anything bad about the game.

Meanwhile the freedom exists everywhere else ... well alomst everywhere ;) 

Originally posted by Vince_G

I got owned by someone who hasn't even played the game, but judged it by a bunch of youtube videos? I'm at work btw. Oh he only has blue gear in WOW and plays fps's he's the expert on Darkfall alright.

Blue more like green. I am very casual in WoW ;) And since Darkfall is.. yes ... an  FPS at heart... yes FPS genre players are going to judge DF targetting and compare. Mount and Blade fans are going to shit on DF combat system due to Tasos comment. As I said in my post it simply is not "like. Someone jumped on someone elses success methinks.

Actually DF reminds me a lot of "Snakes on A Plane" the self proclaimed cult hit movie.

Of course... DF should be immune to these kind of cross genre critcisms because its an MMO and made AV and thus is by default revolutionary. Sorry .... it does not  work like that.

Originally posted by D3lit3

That's really the only thing preventing me from buying the game, maybe some of you could change my mind lol because I really want to get into it.

 

I watched a lot of videos, for melee you click the LMB and attack, but the animation is the same every freakin' time! It's this vertical slash animation, and you have to do it for like 10 times. No other animation. That's it.

 

And the same thing for the magic. Little blue balls flying around the place. And I doubt those balls turn green when you get more skill.

 

Basically the animations suck in term making the combat more boring. There's the vertical slash, and the little 'cast the blue ball' animation.

Now if it had AoC combat/animations it would own.

If you don't like circle-jerk, LMB mash then DF is not for you.  I'm still waiting for a vid that shows the " deep " combat that DF is supposed to offer.  In that regard it seems like every other MMO......... gotta level up your skills so you can get to the good skills that can turn the tide of a battle.

your going on and on? Ok so you went from blue gear to green gear at level 50 in WOW...Funny your experience seems to keep changing... and you play first person shooters...ok good for you.. You haven't played Darkfall and you don't know  what your talking about... it's an mmo based on UO and Asheron's call. Yes you can swing you sword anyway you want. even if noone is around to attack since there is no auto target and other hand holding tools. Actually when you go into melee its 3rd person, when you cast and fire a bow  its first person. Just because thats the view doesn't mean its a first person shooter at heart. There are a multitde of skills and different skill based abilities at work as well.  Why don't you actually try the game first before you act like you know what your talking about. I don't care if you've played every mmo on earth.and the Everquest world map hanging on your bedroom wall,  If you haven't played the one your bitching about then you don't know what your talking about.  my god

YOU AIM YOURSELF.

if that is not enough to excite and convince you then I guess there is no hope for you, your obviously not a fan of twitch player skill games. If you enjoy combat involving pressing 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 with one hand in sequence with a drink in one hand then thats fair enough. but some of us find that boring, each to his own.

I love twitch games, non twitch combat is what is holding MMO's back. as soon as I played aoc's semi switch(mele anyway) combat I could not go back to auto attack MMO's. WAR was a good game but the (wow/generic watch auto attack while hitting special attacks) combat killed it for me completely.

the mele combat does look pretty awfully simple but compared to auto-attack there is no comparison, because you aim yourself.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by D3lit3

That's really the only thing preventing me from buying the game, maybe some of you could change my mind lol because I really want to get into it.

 

I watched a lot of videos, for melee you click the LMB and attack, but the animation is the same every freakin' time! It's this vertical slash animation, and you have to do it for like 10 times. No other animation. That's it.

 

And the same thing for the magic. Little blue balls flying around the place. And I doubt those balls turn green when you get more skill.

 

Basically the animations suck in term making the combat more boring. There's the vertical slash, and the little 'cast the blue ball' animation.

Now if it had AoC combat/animations it would own.

 

If you don't like circle-jerk, LMB mash then DF is not for you.  I'm still waiting for a vid that shows the " deep " combat that DF is supposed to offer.  In that regard it seems like every other MMO......... gotta level up your skills so you can get to the good skills that can turn the tide of a battle.

The thing is this is mainly set up around large scale battles, other than Magic's AOE"s theres not really any skills that you would level up in order to change the tides of the battle.  If a mage were to use his AOE's in a group of melees of course hes gonna hit his peers, which makes you learn when and how to use your spells.

And leveling the skills goes alongside playing the game, alot of folks are worried about "The grind" when its set up that as you play, the skills will come.  They dont add alot of addition (other than strength dex etc etc) other than being able to use higher tiered equipment (Which you can at any time anyhow) w/o it losing as much durability.

If they were able to bring in the directional combat that dark messiah and M and B have for the melee system, then sure I can definately say it would be an improvement.  But even as is, if your into these kinda games, i guarantee you can have a great time. 

IT brought back so many memories of AC DT

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by KOrnfan4evr

Originally posted by tombear81

Originally posted by Vince_G

Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city.  Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here.  honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t.  ROFL

 

Meh.. its for anyone who comes close

You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.

Enjoy your facist regime. 

 

Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?

on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!

Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game.  And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game.  Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.

 

Not its fine to have a opinion. This is the internet. If you don't  opinons then this is the wrong place to be.   If you want one sided moronic view points just go over to the DF forums. You can pretend you didn't see that sizeable crtical post just vanish. Just shout "go back to WOW" loud enough or simply engage in the "teh lulz" behaviour. This is an open community forum. Many people here have followed the game and are fed up with AV and the bullshit - o - meter is beyond anything seen form any release previously. The contradictory amount of material from. This game will be trolled for a long time to come. And it deserves a bit of a ass kicking. Its developers little profitable(?)  bubble needs a little bit of a poke.

The game has zero chance of evolving whilst this censorship goes on. But we all know that the NDA... the closed  pay for beta... ( yes it is)... is all part of how AV works. Whereas the game is probably not a scam ... its developers are borderline immoral idiots. Heck I don't rule out Lord Tasos doing a runner, such is my faith in AV and its openess.

I do not want to see any other MMO produced like this one. This doesn't mean no indie. It means lengthy NDA... no stress testing... snotty arsed secretive interviews, over hyped lists of items, citing other game directly which are known success and leaching off them and finally  pushing out of potential critical review sites. 

God forbid SOE figures out just how far you can abuse an audience and still get box sales. We'd be shafted.

Anyways I suspect the Df forums wil shrtly go private so you may never frequent anyhere again that says anything bad about the game.

Meanwhile the freedom exists everywhere else ... well alomst everywhere ;) 

I do agree to a point.  I understand AV didnt conduct themselves in a professional manner, but the thing is they were upfront and honest about it.  Forums were being flooded (as they shouldve) an dthey actually had to deny use of the forums so they could post and communicate with the community about the goings on of what was going on those initial 2-3 days. 

But my thing is people talking down the game of Darkfall because of the actions that occured on their release.  Should they have STress tested?  Sure.  But they didnt, and other than the 1 day they needed to patch its working fine now.  Mainly why they had a strict NDA is because they wanted to stay low Key.  With an indie developer that know that they couldnt handle so much at launch they wanted to make sure they took it slow, then once they had the support, they could possibly flourish.  But of course thats too good of wishful thinking.  They should have got more servers and better billing support blah blah blah, but that didnt happen.  And even with all that I do find this game very well built, its fun and brings back the sense of the kind of game that WE (the ones this game was aiming towards) would like to play.

And of course Darkfall forums are going to be biased towards darkfall, thats why its there.  But the fact that people go out of their way to come into the darkfall forums on MMORPG.com just to say its trash, w/o any actual ingame knowledge other than some videos and reading, instead of witnissing it first hand is actaully kinda funny to me.

And usually its the bigger companies that if you post something bad about the game, and give any type of meaningful criticism that they'd warn you, remove the post and expect you not to do it again. 

Originally posted by Vince_G

Have you played the game Tombear81, Or are you somehow making your conclusions based on some Utube videos. Yes combat looks simplistic as it was designed to be.  congratulations on your eppifany.  There is also archery which is pretty deep, full blown mounted combat, ship to ship combat, naval bombardments, and magic which which goes deeper than any game i've seen since asheron's call . The pvp is not mindles (it can be if you want to be a rogue outcast) but if you actually played the game and were in a  guild  trying to build a city, you would realize its more political than a game of diplomacy. I assure you there is ALOT more in the overworld than trees.. lol. My advice?  Go back to your theme park games click auto attack, and spank it over your purple gear.

 

You may one of the most dilusional posters here.  Good luck with actually seeing any of that as a modern mechanic within Darkfall. You'll be playing MO like the rest of us in 4 months time. Stop supporting a game you know will not offer any of what you just said.

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Originally posted by D3lit3

That's really the only thing preventing me from buying the game, maybe some of you could change my mind lol because I really want to get into it.

 

I watched a lot of videos, for melee you click the LMB and attack, but the animation is the same every freakin' time! It's this vertical slash animation, and you have to do it for like 10 times. No other animation. That's it.

 

And the same thing for the magic. Little blue balls flying around the place. And I doubt those balls turn green when you get more skill.

 

Basically the animations suck in term making the combat more boring. There's the vertical slash, and the little 'cast the blue ball' animation.

Now if it had AoC combat/animations it would own.

Combat in ALL MMO's looks boring in videos lol.

But to be honest, DF's melee does look a bit basic. But you need to understand that every character is a hybrid. If you have played Asherons Call in the past, you know what this means.

Also, the majority of the skills are not going to be available until players have played for awhile. We've only seen the basics up to this point.

Point is, you or I should not judge the combat until we actually play it, and things may be different then it seems because characters in games w/ skill systems are more then just Melee, Archery, or Spells alone.