Sorry. But am I the only person that doesn't give a flying fuck about the website. Do you sit there all fucking day staring at it waiting for it to be updated or something?

Sort your fucking self out with an education instead of staring at the frontpage of a video games website all damn day.

Who cares if the website still says beta?

"Oh but its misleading!!"

Its writing on the fucking internet, not someone standing in your living room telling you about all the features. What do you want pin-point accuracy? Not everyone has the time to constantly update a webpage every 10 seconds with what they are doing cos some fat nerd has nothing better to do than stare at the goddamn front page all damn day.

Originally posted by Raknar

How about both? The excuse that they didn't have time to update it does not fly, since it has been updated in other areas since then. But the section listing these unimplimented features that would truly make Darkfall groundbreaking remains suspiciously unchanged.

 

Just because the game proved to not be vapourware does not make it not a scam. Having an actual product does not change the fact that the product they offered and the one they advertised are not remotely similar.

I never heard them make an excuse, actually I never heard them say anything at all other than, we are going to put up an updated website, soon (TM)...

The game is really fun. Try it and then we can discuss your opinion about the product, based on some actual experience. Maybe some of the items listed on the web-site wouldn't actually work, or maybe the ideas were just plain stupid. Or, maybe they plan on adding some of those things soon (TM)...

My AoC box says DX10, btw...

Its called truth in advertising. A webpage for an online game is not just "words on the internet" like someone's private blog.

This is a billboard for them. If a jewlery store put up a billboard saying "Special ring sale, Ruby and Diamond ring, 50 dollars" then people showed up and there were empty mounting brackets where the rubies should go, they are lying.

Period.

And that is even grounds for lawsuit.

For far too long MMO's have been allowed to lie to their customers about content and features (Tabula Rasa, AoC, etc etc) not available in game... just because such things can get patched in later (like with AoC) does not mean it will (never was in TR), and does not make it right, and too many MMO's have been able to hide behind the nebulous promise of patched in content that was a major selling point and advertised as a key feature...

Also, its STILL vaporware:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

"This category refers particularly to products that may not be inherently flawed or defective, but rather fail to fulfill the high expectations of the consumers who have been subjected to aggressive marketing campaigns and constant hype from either the company itself or the media who reported about it in the period leading to release. Delays on such products have been known to inflate to months and even years, creating often unrealistic expectations of the final version once it eventually reaches store shelves."

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Its called truth in advertising. A webpage for an online game is not just "words on the internet" like someone's private blog.

 

This is a billboard for them. If a jewlery store put up a billboard saying "Special ring sale, Ruby and Diamond ring, 50 dollars" then people showed up and there were empty mounting brackets where the rubies should go, they are lying.

 

Period.

 

And that is even grounds for lawsuit.

 

For far too long MMO's have been allowed to lie to their customers about content and features (Tabula Rasa, AoC, etc etc) not available in game... just because such things can get patched in later (like with AoC) does not mean it will (never was in TR), and does not make it right, and too many MMO's have been able to hide behind the nebulous promise of patched in content that was a major selling point and advertised as a key feature...

good points, logical, thought out.  simply put though... av just doesn't care.

Originally posted by damian7 av just doesn't care.

Possibly...

Not updating their website is just extremly stupid and something they might lose a lot of potential customers from not doing. I don't think the OP is the only one confused. It is after all there official site, the one place where the latest and most correct information should be available...

It is also very misleading for potential customers to read their feature page for DF, reading that and you will be lead to believe that this is indeed a deep rpg with lots of features and a sandbox full of tools. As it stands it seems to be more of an almost empty sandbox, with fantasy Quake going on - which is fine! if they tell their customers or would be customers that this is indeed the case!

Also, what is the harm in stating "We made a limited release on  the 25th of february, we will update here when more accounts are made availabel"?

That list of missing features is in no way comparable to AoC missing DX10 support, even if that sucks too!

I'd have to agree.

a website about a "product" that people purchase.

if this website has false information about said "product"

then it is either intentional mis-information (ie, lying), or unintentional mis-information (ie, incompetence)

Either way it makes the company look dishonest, or stupid.

or perhaps both.

A company being paid by a customer should be expected to to advertise correctly, follow thru as it were..

And pointing out these flaws is not flaming or trolling..  It's holding them accountable for their actions.

Big difference.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar

How about both? The excuse that they didn't have time to update it does not fly, since it has been updated in other areas since then. But the section listing these unimplimented features that would truly make Darkfall groundbreaking remains suspiciously unchanged.

 

Just because the game proved to not be vapourware does not make it not a scam. Having an actual product does not change the fact that the product they offered and the one they advertised are not remotely similar.

 

I never heard them make an excuse, actually I never heard them say anything at all other than, we are going to put up an updated website, soon (TM)...

 

The game is really fun. Try it and then we can discuss your opinion about the product, based on some actual experience. Maybe some of the items listed on the web-site wouldn't actually work, or maybe the ideas were just plain stupid. Or, maybe they plan on adding some of those things soon (TM)...

 

My AoC box says DX10, btw...

Well, AoC is a bad example to use, as they were barely more competent than Adventurine. But the box had already been printed when they decided to drop DX10. Unless you think they knew long before the announcement that they would not include DX10, which is likely since they still have not got it to work a year later.

At any rate, I was in AoC beta and the main reason I didn't buy that game was the fact the developers lied. I will not buy Darkfall for the same reason. And it is a shame, in a way. I would love to play the game they advertise. The actual game deleivered is not so interesting to me. Chances are, though, even if I did decide to buy it, I would not be able to because of their inept billing system.

Originally posted by Raknar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar

How about both? The excuse that they didn't have time to update it does not fly, since it has been updated in other areas since then. But the section listing these unimplimented features that would truly make Darkfall groundbreaking remains suspiciously unchanged.

 

Just because the game proved to not be vapourware does not make it not a scam. Having an actual product does not change the fact that the product they offered and the one they advertised are not remotely similar.

 

I never heard them make an excuse, actually I never heard them say anything at all other than, we are going to put up an updated website, soon (TM)...

 

The game is really fun. Try it and then we can discuss your opinion about the product, based on some actual experience. Maybe some of the items listed on the web-site wouldn't actually work, or maybe the ideas were just plain stupid. Or, maybe they plan on adding some of those things soon (TM)...

 

My AoC box says DX10, btw...

 

Well, AoC is a bad example to use, as they were barely more competent than Adventurine. But the box had already been printed when they decided to drop DX10. Unless you think they knew long before the announcement that they would not include DX10, which is likely since they still have not got it to work a year later.

 

At any rate, I was in AoC beta and the main reason I didn't buy that game was the fact the developers lied. I will not buy Darkfall for the same reason. And it is a shame, in a way. I would love to play the game they advertise. The actual game deleivered is not so interesting to me. Chances are, though, even if I did decide to buy it, I would not be able to because of their inept billing system.

So, if they update their web site and fix their billing system, I guess you'ld be less likely to accuse them of lying, correct?

(The game is actually very good, but principles are principles, I suppose...)

Originally posted by PoopyStuff

I'd have to agree.

 

a website about a "product" that people purchase.

if this website has false information about said "product"

then it is either intentional mis-information (ie, lying), or unintentional mis-information (ie, incompetence)

 

Either way it makes the company look dishonest, or stupid.

or perhaps both.

 

 

A company being paid by a customer has every right to expect them to advertise correctly, follow thru as it were..

And pointing out these flaws is not flaming or trolling..  It's holding them accountable for their actions.

Its holding them accountable to the population of about 10 people that actually read post or take notice on this thread on a public forum which 50% of the time is full of whiny crap anyway.

If DF is a scam, and it is indeed a "serious matter and offense" He would be better collecting his information and building a case for a lawsuit to sue AV.

Why the fuck post it here? Its merely to antagonize and annoy the fanboys. And many people sure as fuck don't care if the website says "beta" and they're playing the game.

What he is doing is no different than telling his buddy not to buy a certain make\model type of car because they have a high failure rate and require expensive repairs.

Being informative to the gaming community about the positives and negatives of any said company or game is the point of mmorpg.com

What you should be doing is pointing out the positives to counter his negatives.

Not bashing the messenger, but rather raising opposing viewpoints.

That would be the mature thing to do.

And whoever reads the thread will make up their own mind as to who they will agree with, and their future purchasing decisions may be influenced by it.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar

How about both? The excuse that they didn't have time to update it does not fly, since it has been updated in other areas since then. But the section listing these unimplimented features that would truly make Darkfall groundbreaking remains suspiciously unchanged.

 

Just because the game proved to not be vapourware does not make it not a scam. Having an actual product does not change the fact that the product they offered and the one they advertised are not remotely similar.

 

I never heard them make an excuse, actually I never heard them say anything at all other than, we are going to put up an updated website, soon (TM)...

 

The game is really fun. Try it and then we can discuss your opinion about the product, based on some actual experience. Maybe some of the items listed on the web-site wouldn't actually work, or maybe the ideas were just plain stupid. Or, maybe they plan on adding some of those things soon (TM)...

 

My AoC box says DX10, btw...

 

Well, AoC is a bad example to use, as they were barely more competent than Adventurine. But the box had already been printed when they decided to drop DX10. Unless you think they knew long before the announcement that they would not include DX10, which is likely since they still have not got it to work a year later.

 

At any rate, I was in AoC beta and the main reason I didn't buy that game was the fact the developers lied. I will not buy Darkfall for the same reason. And it is a shame, in a way. I would love to play the game they advertise. The actual game deleivered is not so interesting to me. Chances are, though, even if I did decide to buy it, I would not be able to because of their inept billing system.

 

So, if they update their web site and fix their billing system, I guess you'ld be less likely to accuse them of lying, correct?

 

(The game is actually very good, but principles are principles, I suppose...)

Yes, if they come out clean, I would be more likely to give it a try. Just curous though, what IS awesome about the game, other than the FFA PvP and full loot. I like that, but I need more than that to make a game. Most of the sandbox features that intrigued me are not there.  If all I wanted to do was kill people and take their stuff, I could go back to Asheron's Call.

Originally posted by Raknar 

Yes, if they come out clean, I would be more likely to give it a try. Just curous though, what IS awesome about the game, other than the FFA PvP and full loot. I like that, but I need more than that to make a game. Most of the sandbox features that intrigued me are not there.  If all I wanted to do was kill people and take their stuff, I could go back to Asheron's Call.

You know, it's funny, the game world just feels right, somehow, I don't know any other way to describe it.

I'll try this;

Have you ever played an MMO where you realize that the first thing that comes to mind when you wake up in the morning is the game?

This is one of those.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar 

Yes, if they come out clean, I would be more likely to give it a try. Just curous though, what IS awesome about the game, other than the FFA PvP and full loot. I like that, but I need more than that to make a game. Most of the sandbox features that intrigued me are not there.  If all I wanted to do was kill people and take their stuff, I could go back to Asheron's Call.

 

You know, it's funny, the game world just feels right, somehow, I don't know any other way to describe it.

I'll try this;

Have you ever played an MMO where you realize that the first thing that comes to mind when you wake up in the morning is the game?

This is one of those.

OK, I can respect that. That feeling is far too rare. Thing is, I wanted to like the game, but the way this release has been handled has me convinced that Adventurine will not have what it takes to make the game last.

Originally posted by Raknar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Raknar 

Yes, if they come out clean, I would be more likely to give it a try. Just curous though, what IS awesome about the game, other than the FFA PvP and full loot. I like that, but I need more than that to make a game. Most of the sandbox features that intrigued me are not there.  If all I wanted to do was kill people and take their stuff, I could go back to Asheron's Call.

 

You know, it's funny, the game world just feels right, somehow, I don't know any other way to describe it.

I'll try this;

Have you ever played an MMO where you realize that the first thing that comes to mind when you wake up in the morning is the game?

This is one of those.

 

OK, I can respect that. That feeling is far too rare. Thing is, I wanted to like the game, but the way this release has been handled has me convinced that Adventurine will not have what it takes to make the game last.

We'll see, I guess. I can only hope they do.

Originally posted by Aviyur

Sorry. But am I the only person that doesn't give a flying fuck about the website. Do you sit there all fucking day staring at it waiting for it to be updated or something?

Sort your fucking self out with an education instead of staring at the frontpage of a video games website all damn day.

 

Who cares if the website still says beta?

 

"Oh but its misleading!!"

Its writing on the fucking internet, not someone standing in your living room telling you about all the features. What do you want pin-point accuracy? Not everyone has the time to constantly update a webpage every 10 seconds with what they are doing cos some fat nerd has nothing better to do than stare at the goddamn front page all damn day.

 

Thank you, at least someone feels the same way I do.  If all you assholes who dont like the game have to do is bitch, instead of playing the game you DO like, then A, your an idiot, or B, your too damn broke to play because your too busy getting a jiggly body chillin in mommies basement to get a jobbie job.  Go outside.

Originally posted by Raknar

So pointing out a lie is trolling?

It's not a lie.

They just never got around to changing it, which on the website side of things, is lazy. However, they have done several interviews and posted a ton of information on their forum - not to mention all of the player reviews, so I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know exactly what is in the game and what isn't.

Being too lazy to go back and update the site hardly makes the game a "scam" and that is why people are telling you that you are a troll. You're exaggerating minor issues and trying to spin them into something they are not.

Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by Raknar

So pointing out a lie is trolling?

 

It's not a lie.

They just never got around to changing it, which on the website side of things, is lazy. However, they have done several interviews and posted a ton of information on their forum - not to mention all of the player reviews, so I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know exactly what is in the game and what isn't.

Being too lazy to go back and update the site hardly makes the game a "scam" and that is why people are telling you that you are a troll. You're exaggerating minor issues and trying to spin them into something they are not.

 

 

Since they are charging money for their product, their laziness can potentially lead to problems. A potential customer who has never heard of the game before, will more than likely base his purchasing decision on the features listed on the official site. Since a lot of those features do not reflect the current features in the game, that's pretty much false advertisement.

Hypothetically speaking, try to use the laziness excuse in a court of law. "I'm sorry, your honor, we meant to update our web site to reflect the current state of our product but we were too lazy and busy with other things." Winning defense strategy right there.

Darkfall is fun.

The game itself does more damage than any website are viral smear campaign can do.  

Sorry guys mmo's like this crap wont sticka round long enough to be fixed.  

Im thinking SoE is looking at Darkfall right now just waiting.   Alot of people will play it if its on their station pass with VG and EQ.   Other than station pass its doubtfull this game will stay alive long enough for any crappy website to matter.

LOL, i think even SoE would not touch this mess of a game.. and that is something. lord it would take them forever to rework the crap graphic to get it to match the graphic engine of a modern mmo.. much less all the bad coding.. na SoE  does not even know this game is on the chart.. lord even here most f2p games rate higher now that they have launched and all can see the mess..

Originally posted by Raknar

does the official website still list features that were dropped over a year ago?

You have limited HR and limited capital to work with unlike big game companies such as Blizzard. What do you do first, pay critical attention to your newly released MMORPG which is in dire need of it? Or waste a person or two on updating a fully functional website with the correct info yet it's simply buried within the forums.

I'm sorry my friend but people, time and money do not simply grow abundantly on the sparkling gumdrop trees of some alternate reality in which you think we exist.

Originally posted by satojin

Originally posted by Raknar

does the official website still list features that were dropped over a year ago?

 

You have limited HR and limited capital to work with unlike big game companies such as Blizzard. What do you do first, pay critical attention to your newly released MMORPG which is in dire need of it? Or waste a person or two on updating a fully functional website with the correct info yet it's simply buried within the forums.

I'm sorry my friend but people, time and money do not simply grow abundantly on the sparkling gumdrop trees of some alternate reality in which you think we exist.

good answer, but WRONG.

Their website fails so bad I couldn' even figure out how to get in on the game so i gave up XD

Originally posted by Teran1987

Their website fails so bad I couldn' even figure out how to get in on the game so i gave up XD

i don't believe any information is on the website proper, you have to dig around in the forums or something, for information on buying the game and whatnot.