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Urvan
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/28/04
"How do you prove that you exist..? Maybe we don't exist.." Vivi, Final Fantasy IX |
Originally posted by PlayOnline
Just found this and yes we did use 2 email addresses from the same source because my b/f forgot to note down his POL ID assuming that when you tick the Save box that it would actually do just that, save the username and passwowrd since I didn't have to add it manually myself we assumed the same would happen for him but it didn't. So there you have it folks, doing a little research pays off, I found the reason even though I think its still pathetic as anyone could easily lose their POL ID and maybe forced to create a new one and this is how POL treats that act before actually knowing the reason for why. I do understand why this rule is in place, to prevent boxing and/or bottng of multiple characters. However, POL should not jump to conclusions the moment someone creates 2 accounts without contacting them first imho. So, once again, POL fails and this community doesn't do its homework. Oh and just for the kicks, here's an example how this little rule is flawed. Say I wanted 2 accounts, I first obtain one as bob_joe@yahoo.com, my second goes to murphy_jones@hotmail.co.uk. Because I use 2 different email addresses, SE doesn't click on. Now, just cus we used the same name in different email addresses for my b/f to obtain a second key, SE instantly assumes its a forced violation, how clever.. Anyone who wanted to violate this rule wouldn't be so stupid to use the same name in a different email location! *applauds SFT for acting on this reason without proper research and anaylising the obvious* Hell my b/f didn't even log into the first account, obviously, since he couldn't, so how POL managed to come up with the conclusions that he did this for the wrong reasons sure beats me. Anyways thanks for your views peeps, it has been very... enlightening.. This amount of stupidity is the reason I quit the first couple of times during playing FFXI, I guess some things just don't change. Oh, and before the flamers start, don't even bother screaming "troll" at me for making opinions, its worse than listening to kindergartens on a playground. If you don't like criticism, stop using forums to flame about it because thats just hypercritical. Thanks again guys, I think I'll stick to better games such as Everquest 2, shocking that I didn't say WoW huh?
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Satimasu
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse |
3/04/09 12:42:40 AM#22
So with the hundreds upon hundreds of free trials made every day, they should contact every one that seems suspicious and let it keep going until the person contacts them? I think it's more of a better to be safe than sorry thing. You're just being overly aggressive. Most of the posts were explaining how it's to prevent RMT from running rampant. You know this and still bash on POL for doing the right thing and trying to protect the game. Say what you want, but I and plenty other of us never said anything flame worthy and you sit here and call us idiots. It seems like you're the one that doesn't like criticism. Seeing as how you've lashed out at everyone. You want to get hung up on such a trivial thing? Fine. This game will continue to be amazing with or without you.
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Urvan
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/28/04
"How do you prove that you exist..? Maybe we don't exist.." Vivi, Final Fantasy IX |
Originally posted by Satimasu
First of all, I said before the flamers start, because I know they will once I made a comment on people's stupidity. Second, imo yes people are idiots on here for making accusations such as "you obtained the key illegally" do you have any idea how dumb that sounds? think about it! While ya at it, try reviewing a little into whether using those said methods to obtain a trial key is against terms and conditions, you'll find it is not. As far as I'm concerned people just wanted to fend for POL because like most games they're just glory fanboys who won't accept that a company has its flaws. Hell, I even agree that SOE fail big time and continue to do so, I refuse to give up playing EQ2 because I do love the game, also, SOE has never sunk this low and to say I've had FFXI longer is just unreal that I'm dealing with this issue.
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3/04/09 3:07:43 AM#24
I highly doubt that the way you obtained the trial keys could be considered "illegal", or against Square's ToS. But in the end, even if what you did wasn't against Square's ToS, it might have been just another one of their anti-RMT methods that they use to weed out RMT that manipulate the trial. Please understand that I'm not calling you a RMT or anything, but that you got caught up in one of the many cycles of Square's anti-RMT methods that just aren't fair sometimes to legit players like you and your BF. Unfortunately, "It" happens. Square's/The Special Task Force's anti-RMT methods are a mystery to all of the players in FFXI. Nobody really knows the extents they go to to find out if someone is involved with RMT. They could be tracking our delivery boxes for surges of gil, or a million other conspiracy theories I could think up. What you and your BF did to obtain your trial keys could be what Square considers a conspicuous RMT attempt to exploit the trial, even if it isn't against the ToS. So assuming this, they probably just banned you and yours accounts without question. It sucks, but it happens. A friend of mine once said, "I sell gil , you buy ??" to a RMT on FFXI. He of course doesn't sell gil, but the RMT reported him to a GM nonetheless. Guess what? He got perma-banned just for saying that. They didn't bother looking in to it at all, they just perma-banned him without question. It wasn't fair, but it's the way Square runs their game. A legit player gets banned, while a RMT walks away with a smile on his face. Of course, not all GMs are unprofessional like the one who banned the friend of mine, but some of them are. There is also no way to dispute a ban once it happens (well there is, but you would have to go through hell on earth in order to do so, and even then, you still might not get the ban lifted). Peoples accounts who get hacked by virus-infected websites also can get perma-banned for stuff they don't do. The majority of people whos accounts are hacked are usually restored back to them after a certain amount of time, but for others, they aren't so lucky. Legit players get the screw a lot of the time. It happens. In Square's eyes, it seemed as if you and your BF were RMT after how you tried to obtain your trial keys, even if you weren't. But to reiterate my point, legit players can get screwed when it comes to Square's anti-RMT methods, even when they do stuff that isn't against the ToS. At this point though, you could either give the trial another go and try to obtain your trial keys a more proper way, or to look for another game. My advice though? Give the game another chance. Unfortunately, you and and your BF experienced one of the few darksides to Square/FFXI. Up there with racist/unprofessional GMs, and incompetent fools for employees. If you stick with the game though, you'll without a doubt meet a lot of cool GMs, and employees from Square that can be quite helpful/courteous the majority of the time. Also, FFXI in itself is a very rewarding game. It's (imo) the single best MMO out right now. |
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Satimasu
Hard Core Member
Joined: 6/24/07
"Impossible is just a word people use to make themselves feel better when they quit." -Vyse |
3/04/09 7:05:20 AM#25
It was against their rules, even if it was on accident. Because I said "illegally" even though it was, cause it was against the rules, you call me an idiot? Well, whatever, doesn't matter to me. Just making things clear. You got caught up in the anti-RMT methods, and I'm sorry you did. I've dealt with a crappy GM who suspended my wife's account when she did nothing wrong and was accused of MPK during Campaign (I know, how can someone even complain about it when you don't lose exp with a tag on). So yes, I know the crappy side of things too. None of the other people that have posted here had any real problem with the trial besides waiting for a key. You even said you have actual characters and these are completely disposable trial characters. That's why I'm confused why you've made such a big deal and gave up on such a great game over something so trivial. If you're main characters got banned, then that's a whole other story and I'd agree with you.
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3/04/09 8:19:23 AM#26
So we're idiots because we can follow logical rules, and you're a genius because you can't read a tiny snip of the Terms of Service? You're the kind of person that makes a purchase online on some of those sites that now require you to receive a phone call from them. You read "your purchase will require a valid phone number" and say "Why do they want my phone number? I'm not giving it to them!" Then you bitch and moan when your order's canceled. Brilliant. Anyway, I can't really hold your anger against you. After some of your more recent posts, I figured out why you're as pissy as you are. Thanks for the laughs, and enjoy EQ2. I liked that game. The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management. |
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3/04/09 9:02:58 AM#27
Originally posted by Urvan
thematrixonline.station.sony.com/ piratesoftheburningsea.station.sony.com/ stargateonlinetcg.station.sony.com/ (I mean a trading card game based off an MMO ... how fucking retarded is that? No one would ever think up shit like that: entertainment.upperdeck.com/WoW/en/) ... anywho ... I win.
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3/04/09 10:17:21 AM#28
You forgot to mention that RMT is not against the rules and encouraged in many EQ2 servers. I forgive you, but it does make your victory slightly less so. The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management. |
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3/04/09 1:17:56 PM#29
Originally posted by NotArkard
{I'm sorry.} {Please forgive me} ... it was just a {Backhand Blow} against people who play WoW TCG.
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Urvan
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/28/04
"How do you prove that you exist..? Maybe we don't exist.." Vivi, Final Fantasy IX |
Originally posted by NotArkard
Actually you're wrong, RMTs get banned and players get rewarded! I actually got 1 plat for reporting one that they managed to prove guilty and banned him. As for the guy you quoted, you've proven nothing by listing those games. My statement was based on POL's behaviour regarding how one would create an account with them, not how lousy they can create a game. Yeah, I agree, The Matrix sucked, Pirates of the Burning Sea is a cheap cop out of Pirates of the Caribean, Star Gate Online TCG? well yeah, seems SOE are getting despirate for ideas, I mean they turned SWG and Everquest into card games! >_> Either way this has nothing to do with account creating so you don't win, you fail.
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3/04/09 2:21:02 PM#31
You are a very angry person. |
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3/04/09 2:28:26 PM#32
Originally posted by ic0n67
I read this entire thing and I really do not know what she is so angry about. When trying to do something "official" do not use "un-official" means to do it. She is right using a proxy is not "illegal" but 9 times out of 10 people use proxies to hide something. In example, I use them at work to mask forum activity and so on. Proxies are for the paranoid.
There was no need to use a proxy to obtain a trial for a game. Unless to bypass certain measures which she did.
So Square/Enix caught it, and banned the accounts. She was within her rights to use a proxy yes... and SE was within their rights to ban the accounts for obtaining keys outside official channels. Case closed. Next time quit being paranoid and obtain a key the official way like everyone else. No reason to come here and bash FFXI for your proxy using habits. Oh well... Live and learn. |
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3/04/09 2:41:12 PM#33
Originally posted by skydragonren
I'd venture to guess you are on the same page as everyone else here too. (and it is a guy) |
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3/04/09 2:52:53 PM#34
Originally posted by ic0n67
I'd venture to guess you are on the same page as everyone else here too. (and it is a guy)
LOL you sure ic0n, "he" said "me and my b/f"..... Oopsie! |
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3/04/09 2:56:21 PM#35
Do you actually play EQ2 or did you randomly pick it out of any game you could think of to avoid saying WoW? Never seen the official Exchange servers in the game? Anyway, since it seems you know nothing about the game, here's something from their official site to help you next time you try. http://soe-ing.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/soe_ing.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19603 You can pay real money to SOE to fund a virtual wallet, which lets you buy in-game items for EQ and EQ2. That's real money trade as far as any reasonable eye can see. They may be rewarding players for reporting third-party RMT, alright, but only because it costs them business.
Yes. The contents of this post do not necessarily reflect the views of MMORPG.com and its management. |
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3/05/09 1:38:03 AM#36
Originally posted by skydragonren
I still feel bad for the OP... lol looking for someone to rant with, but instead he gets hammered... lol i wanna take a picture of these precious moments! i think OP the right move here now is to move on... |
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Hashbrick
 Novice Member
Joined: 4/12/05
Only jackasses label their PC specs in their sig. |
3/05/09 1:50:39 AM#37
Dude give up, you are in the wrong. You failed. It's over. You went against PlayOnline's code of conduct got banned from an illegal key and you deserve it. Next time do shit correctly and nothing bad will happen. *facepalm* The worst part of it all is you act like you did nothing wrong. Proxies are not hard to detect depending on the amount of "bounces", if you used some shitty software they caught you fast because it barely cloaks your IP and was traced back. Not rocket science.
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Urvan
Apprentice Member
Joined: 7/28/04
"How do you prove that you exist..? Maybe we don't exist.." Vivi, Final Fantasy IX |
Originally posted by NotArkard
3rd party and official are 2 different things buddy, I couldn't care less what the company chooses to do, if its not official its against ToS. And yes I do play it thanks.
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3/05/09 4:22:21 AM#39
lol i said before i told you guys wats the point? we're all just wasting our time... i detected wat kind of a person the OP was from his OP, lol why save someone who doesnt wanna be saved? |
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Wrender
 Advanced Member
Joined: 2/03/04
The truth shall set you free! |
3/05/09 4:32:33 AM#40
Heh Urvan is sounding more and more like a Gold Spammer with each post. Dig that hole! The truth will set you free! |
