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3/03/09 7:57:45 PM#226
Penises are ugly. Cleavage isn't. Double standard? No. As cleavage doesn't mean female penis. Now, if you wanted to say big, strong barrel chested men in MMOs should't exist, then you'd be on to something. I don't see how you can make the argument that penises should be in games, because the female avatars are in thongs and have big cleavage. There is no nudity, and the men could certainly be scantily clad as is the case in many MMOs.
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3/03/09 8:03:44 PM#227
I AM the big penis in MMORPGS |
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3/03/09 8:05:28 PM#228
Aside from the people taking this far too seriously. This is one funny thread. |
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3/03/09 8:15:15 PM#229
Teen pregnancies are at an all time high because sex has become such a casual issue already in our culture. The media makes it seem like it is alright just to go out and have sex, more than that it encourages it like it were some kind of competition. We need to draw a line in the sand. The population is growing it a terminal rate. Sex isn't just for fun. Hell I know girls who've had 3 or more abortions in the past year. That sickens me. And lets not forget, no matter how little anyone wants to talk about it anymore AIDS has not gone away, nor has it lessened. Sex is not a game. You can talk about nudity in art all you want, but this is not that kind of art and only a fool doesn't realize that. I don't agree with the amount of sexual content already prevalent in games, not to mention television and so called PG 13 movies, but unfortunately that cat is out of the bag. Rules and limitations on this sort of thing aren't just prudishness, it's doing what's best for the preservation of our species. Overpopulation in nature is controlled by mating seasons and predators, as humans we have neither. Already there aren't enough jobs to support the population and it's just going to get worse. Soon it'll be food shortages, then anarchy as the underprivilaged are forced to fight to survive. It's a cycle of destruction. Like locusts. We need to learn to be smarter than our base instincts or they'll be the death of us all. Is one penis in a game going to cause the world to end? No, I'm not saying that, that would be ludicrous, but it is a step in the wrong direction. |
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3/03/09 8:28:29 PM#230
Originally posted by xaldraxius
Teen pregnancy has nothing to do with the amount of sex or the casual side of sex. Teen pregnancy is much more related to lack of information, taboo, sexism and guilt than health and experienced sex. Competition has nothing to do with the amount of sex in modern culture, but the lack of it, if everyone is free of sexual issues sex became natural, not something to be proud of, not a competition. Real sex is not exposed in modern midia culture, illusory sex is, most of kids dont even know how a natural breast look like. Sex was cultued in many cultures before today, in the past human knew how to avoid pregnancy, today is much, much more easier, everyone with real knowledge about sex can do it. The worst way to deal with sexual issues is to hide sex and natural pleasure from young people.
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3/03/09 8:29:51 PM#231
Originally posted by xaldraxius
You would have to be pretty naive to believe that teens are not entering into sexual activities. Most of the teen pregnancies are due to the parents not doing their job to educate their children. Even worse the parents are drilling into their child’s mind about how wrong and dirty sex is forcing the kids to hide and lie. As I said before, society needs to grow up and realize that the times are changing. We need to stop relying on the media and school teachers to educate our children. Do your job as a parent and tell them about safe sex practices and support them, don't push them away.
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3/03/09 8:41:14 PM#232
Originally posted by xaldraxius I hear what your saying about sex, but nudity and sex are not the same thing. That is the issue. The more you hide it, the more people want it. I would argue that if there was zero censorship of nudity, people would be more mature about sex. I know everyone isn't going to agree with me. I have spent time in nudists camps and I have to say seeing people naked all the time never made me hornier. And when I was around the naked people I was never horny at all.
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3/03/09 8:53:42 PM#233
yes |
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3/03/09 9:46:25 PM#234
I would pay extra money to have a large penis in my mmorpg, just to piss off people who get offended by stupid stuff like that.
So the answer is.. YES. |
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3/03/09 9:48:31 PM#235
I have already.....
that one dude in Darkfall showed me....you....that one guy that loves the game "This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....." |
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3/03/09 9:53:46 PM#236
I thought they had cancelled Tabula Rasa?
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3/03/09 10:06:47 PM#237
I totally disagree with this post. You seriously believe that there is a lack of information about sex, that kids don't know how it's related to procreation or something? There are condom commercials on television that glorify the act of casual sex, and where as I agree that if you are going to have casual sex you should have some protection, the whole concept of saying that it's ok is opening the floodgates. You give people an inch and they are going to want to take a mile. You tell them that sex is bad and they sneak around to do it, but you tell them that it's ok and they'll do it more. It's human nature to push the accepted limits. If we take away those limits we are going to give rise to worse things. The number of people raped will rise because society says sex is ok, so what is one person saying no? Look at Japan. They have a very relaxed veiw of sex, and they also have a horrible population problem, child prostitution and a very prevelant rape culture which even extends into video games of simulated rape. Once again I am not saying that one penis is going to end the world, I am just saying it's yet another step in the wrong direction for a civilized society.
I understand what you are saying, but you are an adult and have had time to come to terms with your sexuality and no longer have to deal with the raging hormones of puberty. I'm not so against the penis itself. It's ok, it's not going to threaten me or arouse me, I just think it's going to make it easier for the next game to take the next step, and then another. It's all about controversy and publicity. It's not about liberation, it's about making a buck. |
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3/03/09 11:34:48 PM#238
Originally posted by xaldraxius
In many countries, yes there is a total lack of information. Young people dont truly belive it is Ok to have sex, they have guilt, they have oppression and in most cases sex is expressed to them as a form of auto affirmation, a teen who comprehends sex without guild, sexism and insecurity will have no reason to risk him/herself. A lot of teens have sex for destructive goals or just to feel competitive among their friends, this is a clear sign of a society that doesnt open express their REAL sexuality. You are making a huge mistake, if you belive a sexual open society is related to rape. Rape is a crime of hate, it is a crime of violation, it is not an act of sex, it is not an act of desire, rape is present in a society that allows violence and is repressed. It seems you dont know much about Japan, I would suggest you, go live there for a couple of years, have sex with japanese people, go out with them, you will realize you are wrong about japanese sexual culture. You just showed ignorance and misconceptions about japanese people. A civilized society is a society ready to see a penis, ready to talk and to experience sex without sexism, without issues, without the destructive will, without guilty . A civilized society will see the human body and sexuality without judgment. A civilized society will never accept violence, brutality, ignorance and reject their own body and natural unharmful desires. A civilized society doesnt need censorship. I wonder if you think this limits are needed for you aswell, or just for the "others". If you belive you are able to find YOUR limits, then I wonder why not the others aswell, even if they have different limits than you? ...
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3/03/09 11:38:12 PM#239
WOW!!
wait...what?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....." |
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Delondial
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Joined: 5/19/06
The phenomenon cannot set the standard, simply alter the perception of limitation. |
3/03/09 11:42:39 PM#240
Penis is fine in games. If I have to see a bunch of boobs flooping about in EVERY aspect of media now days then let me see some pen15. ~D |
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3/04/09 12:40:05 AM#241
why not? I can totally accept it. it's a part of nature, or we call it art |
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Originally posted by Umbral
I totally disagree with this post. You seriously believe that there is a lack of information about sex, that kids don't know how it's related to procreation or something? There are condom commercials on television that glorify the act of casual sex, and where as I agree that if you are going to have casual sex you should have some protection, the whole concept of saying that it's ok is opening the floodgates. You give people an inch and they are going to want to take a mile. You tell them that sex is bad and they sneak around to do it, but you tell them that it's ok and they'll do it more. It's human nature to push the accepted limits. If we take away those limits we are going to give rise to worse things. The number of people raped will rise because society says sex is ok, so what is one person saying no? Look at Japan. They have a very relaxed veiw of sex, and they also have a horrible population problem, child prostitution and a very prevelant rape culture which even extends into video games of simulated rape. Once again I am not saying that one penis is going to end the world, I am just saying it's yet another step in the wrong direction for a civilized society.
In many countries, yes there is a total lack of information. Young people dont truly belive it is Ok to have sex, they have guilt, they have oppression and in most cases sex is expressed to them as a form of auto affirmation, a teen who comprehends sex without guild, sexism and insecurity will have no reason to risk him/herself. A lot of teens have sex for destructive goals or just to feel competitive among their friends, this is a clear sign of a society that doesnt open express their REAL sexuality. You are making a huge mistake, if you belive a sexual open society is related to rape. Rape is a crime of hate, it is a crime of violation, it is not an act of sex, it is not an act of desire, rape is present in a society that allows violence and is repressed. It seems you dont know much about Japan, I would suggest you, go live there for a couple of years, have sex with japanese people, go out with them, you will realize you are wrong about japanese sexual culture. You just showed ignorance and misconceptions about japanese people. A civilized society is a society ready to see a penis, ready to talk and to experience sex without sexism, without issues, without the destructive will, without guilty . A civilized society will see the human body and sexuality without judgment. A civilized society will never accept violence, brutality, ignorance and reject their own body and natural unharmful desires. A civilized society doesnt need censorship. I wonder if you think this limits are needed for you aswell, or just for the "others". If you belive you are able to find YOUR limits, then I wonder why not the others aswell, even if they have different limits than you? ...
I"m not sure I buy the argument that somehow a society is "civilized" if they allow a penis in a video game, but "uncivilized" if they don't. It seems you are describing an idealized society where there is no sexual repression and everyone is ok with nudity, and it's just "natural", etc., etc. Again, I'm not sure I buy the argument that this is ideal, the perfect society. By what standard? Our bodies are "natural", that is they occur in nature, that's true. But lots of things are natural. It's natural to go to the bathroom, but you don't expect to see people do it, so the "natural" thing seems rather arbitrary. Watch Starship Troopers. It's on Hulu TV. It's a sci fi movie and hte characters are in the Marines. There is a group shower scene where the guys and girls take showers together, and they all act like it's perfectly "natural". Is society ever going to be like that? I don't see it. Again, I think it's an idealized sci fi idea, not reality. http://www.hulu.com/videos/search?query=starship+troopers It's actually quite ironic. The shower scene where all the male and female marines are taking a group shower shows how "civilized" they are. Yet only boobs are shown, no penises. I guess that's how you portray a "civilized" society in an uncivilized world.
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3/04/09 3:29:29 AM#243
Nothing to worry about people. This is just rockstar games going for the shock value.
We will never get to the point where we see as much penis as we do boobs in games and movies. This is not a growing trend this is a one time thing.
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3/04/09 3:52:01 AM#244
just keep it out why would u want to see a video game penis. i'm glad age of conan put some clothes on the bottom half of people lol or when i went afk i'd come back to some jackass standing on the table in front of me as close as he could so his dick was in my characters face. you know what i dont wanna see ur dick i dont wanna see ur pussy. i got my girlfriend for the pussy kk thanks i'm good. watch porn if u want sex |
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3/04/09 9:47:21 AM#245
Originally posted by Ninebaii Does nudity always have to correlate into sex? I don't think so, plus I am sure your girlfriend would be ever so proud of you mentioning that you "got her for the pussy".
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3/04/09 9:53:59 AM#246
This thread has been an utterly fascinating read.
My stance is that overall I don't really feel the need for nudity in MMOs. But if it's there, I would want it to be equal between the sexes. If a female character's sexual parts can be seen by other players in the game, the same better damned well be true of the male character. I'm utterly sick of the double standard in games.
Getting onto the clothed vs naked debate, as GreenChaos pointed out, clothing is what sexualises the human body, not nudity. Most naked people are ugly in reality, a lot of the pretty people (usually women) you see in magazines and photos in the media are doctored images. In a video game, we would have that type of hypereality.
The way a lot of fantasy games are now, female avatars are overly sexualised because of their apparel: chainmail bikinis, tiny miniskirts that you can look up (Guild Wars Factions elementalist anyone?), clothing that emphasise tits and ass, whoreish make-up, bodies reminiscent of extreme plastic surgery, etc. The Asian ones are the worst because there is some implication that the female avatars are underage. In contrast, the male avatars usually look like they're wearing a bag or tin can on their body. The model of the male avatar is some shapeless barrel or crazy-looking lump of muscle. In all of my gaming experience, there has been only one fantasy MMO where I thought the male models were somewhat nice looking and customisable and that was Vanguard after they rereleased character customisation.
As a female player who has been playing MMOs for years and years, I'm pretty fed up with the state of things. I hate making female characters because of how barbie-dollish they look: I don't like looking like a plastic tart who can swing a sword, even if it's just a fantasy game. Real life is different, it's nice to look sexy in real life, but in a video game where I'm playing an adventurer, I want to look like an adventurer
So if Rockstar feel that putting a pixelated dick in their video game is the way forward, at face value I don't mind at all. Seeing how female avatars and to an extent female players have been treated, it's about time men become sexualised in video games since I can't see women ever becoming less sexualised. Perhaps us female gamers need to be thrown a bone, so to speak. When AoC was being hyped up and advertised, it was the boobs factor that was emphasised. I know that you could see other bits, but no one cared about that. Yes, it's reprehensible that a video game company feels it has to market a game based off of 'shocking content' (but if we're mature and not naive, we'd catch on that such a splash in the headlines could mean hiding poor content and/or gameplay). In that sense, I would never buy GTA with or without virtual dong, but perhaps one day I can have an MMO that is more egalitarian in the treatment of male and female avatars because of it.
I can dream on, can't I? Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC. |
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3/04/09 10:07:52 AM#247
Originally posted by Waterlily
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3/04/09 10:47:21 AM#248
Originally posted by APRAurore
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3/04/09 11:14:21 AM#249
Originally posted by Ihmotepp
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3/04/09 11:30:54 AM#250
Originally posted by xaldraxius
Are u a mormon ? O_O
seriously, talking about overpopulation of our species and blablabla, wot are u on about :P ? The fact is that the more people like you there are on this planet, the more teenagers are gonna believe every adult is a bag of excrements ( i used the pretty word :v ), and will not believe a single thing about this. This has been proven already by all the anti-drug ads in the past which were all 1 big lie, so whenever a teenager found out about 1 lie, they wont belive anything else anymore, even if it is true. Same thing here, the more ur like "ITS EVIL ! BURN ! " the less anyone will take u seriously, and just ignore you. Sex is natural, hell we all came out of a hot moment of our parents ( and in loads of different positions i guarantee u that --> sorry for any potential bad thoughts ) and so sayng there should be viewer discretion is normal, but to judge having a wang in a game as evil is just plain stupid.
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Therefore my usual choice ends up playing a bag-or-tincan-wearing barrel. Thanks to the constant frictions of society, especially American society, with respect to sex and gender/sex relations means that when I do rarely make a female character, I have some utter hormonal idiot trying to hit on me. Would adding penis content into MMOs make this worse? I can't say for certain because it already sucks.
