Originally posted by Newmeanie

Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes.

ONLY LANDSCAPES.

Period.

I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP.

Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING.

Wrong.

About the draw distance:

Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?

About the rest: 

I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.

anything use of 3rd party tools are illegal but I believe sometime ago, they had interview /w SE saying that you will not get banned for windower.

however, there is no way of SE to find out unless someone reports them(somehow windower user admitting that he was using 1)

windower can be very handy tool. I used it and it is extremely handy.

now.. why windower or 'window mode' is bad?

well window mode opens whole new possility,easier to hack client/packets/programs or addon for ffxi.

newb with few knowlege can sniff packets and use it in-game while they can't make FFXI window mode to do this. Simply due to making 'window mode' require actual programming.

most of these hacks.. claim hacks.. fishing hack.. ffxiapp.. 'ffxihelper... ffxi AH camper... and most famouse of FFXI ASSIST..etc were made after windower was made. =/ as you can already see the impact on this.

now SE heard enough complains.. and gave up for this protection. GG.

Originally posted by ic0n67

Originally posted by Newmeanie

Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes.

ONLY LANDSCAPES.

Period.

I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP.

Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING.

Wrong.

About the draw distance:

Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?

About the rest: 

I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.

 

 

My argument is , yes, some aspects like TParty were not intended for the game and should not be included in the windower. But, the game being windowable is not the only aspect of windower that is a pure enhancement to the game and not a 'cheat'.  Draw distance, IME plugins, the plugin that puts in sort of a Diablo II Lighting radius. an EXP/Hour count.  These do not affect gameplay and are not cheats.
 

The draw distance increase is only on objects that are included in landscapes and thus is, as you said, benign (anybody who refutes this and says it is on mobs as well is just wrong, mob appearance runs separately from landscape appearance, so., as bill nye would say, NOWWW YOU KNOWWW :) ).

Also, you say that someone is going to see a mountain a second later... actually, with windower's draw distance you can effectively see the entire zone (though some, like Valkurm, get cut off at far distances), there is essentially no landscape drawing as you walk except on bloom effects and mip maps.  It makes the game look much more modern. 

A set of C-cups will do just nicely, thank you for asking.  Not too big, not too small. :O

Could someone explain to me how seeing someone's TP is possibly cheating? So you can see how close people are to be able to chain in numbers, and, and what?

Originally posted by Cynthe

Could someone explain to me how seeing someone's TP is possibly cheating? So you can see how close people are to be able to chain in numbers, and, and what?

First, we need a definition of a Cheat:

My definition: Any addon, plugin, third party tool, etc. that ALTERS your gameplay mechanics and play style to such a playstyle that could not have been attained without use of the addon.  TParty does this, macro line increasing does this.  Draw distance does not, Japanese writing plugs do not, lighting does not... etc.)

now:

Its not a huge cheat that breaks the game.

Its not really a big deal.

But, square did not want you to be able to see other peoples TP and intended Skillchaining to be on a chatting basis. Really, I prefer Tparty and although think it is a little over the border of cheating, I use it; because:

Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.

Originally posted by Newmeanie

My argument is , yes, some aspects like TParty were not intended for the game and should not be included in the windower. But, the game being windowable is not the only aspect of windower that is a pure enhancement to the game and not a 'cheat'.  Draw distance, IME plugins, the plugin that puts in sort of a Diablo II Lighting radius. an EXP/Hour count.  These do not affect gameplay and are not cheats.
 

The draw distance increase is only on objects that are included in landscapes and thus is, as you said, benign (anybody who refutes this and says it is on mobs as well is just wrong, mob appearance runs separately from landscape appearance, so., as bill nye would say, NOWWW YOU KNOWWW :) ).

Also, you say that someone is going to see a mountain a second later... actually, with windower's draw distance you can effectively see the entire zone (though some, like Valkurm, get cut off at far distances), there is essentially no landscape drawing as you walk except on bloom effects and mip maps.  It makes the game look much more modern. 

A set of C-cups will do just nicely, thank you for asking.  Not too big, not too small. :O

I don't want to see any more of Valkrum than they game initially allows me to. I know just the place for the Vana'deil N-Bomb testing. And tell me it isn't cool when you see the moon through where buildings should be in Dynamis. I know it is a full moon like 10 minute before someone who has this draw distance thing /score.

I could make an argument about lighting. Some zones are meant to be dark by design. Someone with a lighting enhancement could see a mob where someone without it would not. I mean sometimes it is very hard to miss a mob with a big name over it head, but .. ya know flees. Someone with enhansed lighting might see them bouncing around when others can. I know someone could just adjust their monitor's brightness. It is not the strongest argument I have.

Originally posted by Newmeanie

Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.

This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.

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Originally posted by ic0n67
I could make an argument about lighting. Some zones are meant to be dark by design. Someone with a lighting enhancement could see a mob where someone without it would not. I mean sometimes it is very hard to miss a mob with a big name over it head, but .. ya know flees. Someone with enhansed lighting might see them bouncing around when others can. I know someone could just adjust their monitor's brightness. It is not the strongest argument I have.
 

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You know, I've never said this before on the internet, but I've never experienced anything where it would be appropriate. Until now.

Here goes:

/facepalm

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by Newmeanie

Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.

 

This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.

It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.

Also, CAN  you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.

and also:

W00T I POPPED SOMEONE /FACEPLAM CHERRY!!!!!

Originally posted by ic0n67

Originally posted by Cynthe

Originally posted by Newmeanie

Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.

 

This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.

 

It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.

Also, CAN  you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.

and also:

W00T I POPPED SOMEONE /FACEPLAM CHERRY!!!!!

The stuff in red is a very good point, thing is I have no idea... As for price, come on now it would not be that big of deal to add something so small to any game let alone something run by SE, at least on a PC. And how to you know Square has already looked at it? I haven't kept up with interviews so i might have missed it.

It's not about development price, it's about the PS2's limited technology. If it wasn't for that, this game would probably have DX10, water rippling effects, support resolutions of 20,000,000x20,000,000, and you'd be able to move your character by attaching movement sensors to your body.

So thanks, PS2.

It is against SE terms to use third party software, BUT, they have no means to know if you are using windower. So, use it and do not talk to anyone about it via ingame channels.

Anyone claiming SE can find it is simply trying to scare you into not using it.

Hi. I am one of the utterly few people who has played wow and even raided in wow without using 1 single addon.

Oh and i was a clicker and healer. Only used what blizzard provided. however bliz did implement tons of popular addons. now recently they have added a thread meter add on but in a different way from the popular ones.

About the windower. I have tried it i wont lie and well there were things i did not like.

Thats every single addon save the draw distance. You can simply take out the mods from the folder and actually have just the draw distance.

But why i didnt like the other addons. One they are buggy. Very buggy and two they obstruct your view when you open windows to chect stats ect.  the timers are so wrong. some decrease other increase and when you have a few buffs all the numbers get mixed.  if you use an ability like your 2 hour one you have to toleate the stupid timer on your screen which gets in the way when your at the ah, checking your items in the mog house ect. The ligting for me is a cheat as well some parts were ment to be dark. also the fact that i have to turn off my bump mapping to make it work sucks. Oh and dont use it in the dunes unless you plan to blind yourself.

The tp party i didnt like either as it gives me an unfair advantage knowing where everyones tp is at but the other players from the ps2 and 360 cannot see this, also since i do macro my tp anyhow to time skill chains (yep i love to do those still) its useless for me.

now about the draw distance. This is the only thing i Love about the windower and it does not affect game play at all, it only affect visually.

You can see the landscape much better , nothing pops up on your screen when you dont have it. Now the draw distances does NOT let you see mobs thru walls, It Does not let you see mobs farther away. their draw distance comes server side. The windowers draw distance is only a cosmetic thing. for me it made the game look much better as the popup for me is a bit annoying. I also messed with my reg files to make the game look crisp. i doubled my resolution on it. This game actually does look very amazing with these tweaks dispite its age.