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I have come back to this game and retried it so many times now and don't know what to think anymore. Vanguard is a great game and had everything to become a great game. Shame SOE doesn't seem to see it that way, as they are more busy screwing up their games that actually made a profit (like EQ2).
When I came back early last year I was mostly impressed in how much they had optimised the overal performance of the game. Especially chunking was pretty much reduced to a mere second. But due to lack of people in the game I left again. Now with the Isle of Dawn introduced september last year Vanguard had a good influx of new players, but somehow still fails to retain them. Well... I know why. I don't know what these guys have done the last half year. But especially performance wise we are pretty much back to square one! I have far better hardware right now, then I had at Vanguard's launch and the chunking right now is back to the good old 5-6 second freezes! Not to mention the overal lag in places is just absolutely horrible! The old problem of extremely slow objects and textures loading that was highly optimised last year. Well they screwed that up again as it's back and that is pretty much what causes all this lag. Isle of Dawn. The trial island that is suppose to impress new players and try to get them into subscribing. It's a lagfest too. Not to mention that in the swamps you fall through the world pretty regularly (not fixed!). Several Quest NPC's constantly fading away, while you are in the middle of a diplomacy parly, because some player runs by that is ahead on the quest, making you wait a frigging 10 minutes, then to fade away again. Then a lot of crafting armor and diplo armor glitches and clips with your avatar (my girlfriends avatar was running around with dissected hands most of the time). Then when you finally manage to get to the mainland (if you subscribe) then the good old fun of bugs, glitches and annoyances start again. Fishing quest series (introduced 5-6 monts ago if I recall correctly) is horribly buggy and they still never bothered to fix it. Flying mount issues (like hitting invisible barriers from the sky so you cannot land. If you renting one, then you need to wait till the renting timer runs out, dismount and relog). Important questchains that they bugged couple months ago and still haven't bothered to fix!! I can go on and on and on.... but I am just growing tired of it all. ----------- Point is. It's appearent that SOE pulled almost all experienced devs from the Vanguard team and replaced them with a bunch of interms (the new hairstyle crap being a prime example. Nice for the interms tho and they do an okay job. But seriously! That's not what the playerbase is waiting for right now). What this game needs most to survive is experienced developers to fix this game first. And as these have been pulled away (wich is just too obvious seeing a year of bloody hard work in fixing the performance mess has gone out of the window with just one game update and couple patches the last 6 months), I don't see any future in this game anymore. It's a real shame. I love this game. But the still existing bugs, glitches and now all the performance issues being reintroduced. Playing becomes more of a job then fun. And seeing how long it takes for them to fix anything these last half year... if they even bother at all. As in the end I still play a game for fun! And not to battle the bugs and glitches day in day out. I think it's time for me (and my gf who tried it for the first time and got fed up even faster then me) to let go on this game. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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I myself have just been playing the trial island for the past week on 3 different characters to level 10 and have not noticed any of the above mentioned problems/bugs/glitches. And for a value price of 10.95€ for the game, i'm going to get my copy tomorrow :) Currently playing: Fallen Earth Dead and Buried: AO, AC2, Vanguard, CoH/V, EnB, EVE, Neocron, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, FFXI, SWG, WoW, Tasosfail and billions of eastern junks(this includes that horrid Aion)! |
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Originally posted by Fusion
Then you either rushed off the island or have been extremely lucky. Me and my gf spend a long time on the Island doing every quest there was and leveled up Adventure, Crafting and Diplomacy to level10. I am sure that if you rush through the adventure quests alone and get off the island that the chance to run into the bugs and glitches is less likely. But a lot of people spend their full 2 weeks on their trial account and will run into them. There is a reason hardly anyone actually subs to the game. Sadly.
Oh...and you don't have to buy the box. After you created your Station account and did the trial, you can just directly sub to Vanguard without having to buy the box. Cheers When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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I've also noticed the chunking is back and some textures take a long time to load. You're right, the game seems to have taken a step backwards recently. I enjoy the playstyle VG offers, but now the frustration factor is getting close to equally the fun factor, and I find myself not logging in as often as in the past. Please SOE, give VG some attention. You have a good product, you just need to give it some love. Ion |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
Then you either rushed off the island or have been extremely lucky. Me and my gf spend a long time on the Island doing every quest there was and leveled up Adventure, Crafting and Diplomacy to level10. I am sure that if you rush through the adventure quests alone and get off the island that the chance to run into the bugs and glitches is less likely. But a lot of people spend their full 2 weeks on their trial account and will run into them. There is a reason hardly anyone actually subs to the game. Sadly.
Oh...and you don't have to buy the box. After you created your Station account and did the trial, you can just directly sub to Vanguard without having to buy the box. Cheers
I've done harvesting and some crafting (to like level 6 i think, and even then i didn't notice any bugs or glitches, guess i was lucky on bugs and perhaps the glitches are just a matter of hardware/software optimization) Directly sub to it? without paying for the actual game? do i get the 30 days free as i would with the box? or directly charged the monthly sub? Currently playing: Fallen Earth Dead and Buried: AO, AC2, Vanguard, CoH/V, EnB, EVE, Neocron, EQ, EQ2, DAoC, FFXI, SWG, WoW, Tasosfail and billions of eastern junks(this includes that horrid Aion)! |
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Originally posted by Fusion
I've done harvesting and some crafting (to like level 6 i think, and even then i didn't notice any bugs or glitches, guess i was lucky on bugs and perhaps the glitches are just a matter of hardware/software optimization) Directly sub to it? without paying for the actual game? do i get the 30 days free as i would with the box? or directly charged the monthly sub? Well you won't get the 30 days for free. So you basically directly sub and pay for a month of game time and so get access to the full game. So if you can pick up the box for a price lower then the monthly fee. Well then I would go for the box first for sure ofcourse. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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I played VG from beta 3 to about 8 months after launch. I went back a couple times, but never stuck with it. VG had a lot of potential, but it just doesn't seem like it has any chance of reaching that potential. I loved my disciple, but I had no desire to do the raid for gear grind. And I loved diplomacy, but they don't do much with it any more and it's too easy now, just another gear grind. The newbie diplomacy quest lines were great though. Great story and challenging parleys (though they made many of them easier over time). I liked that mental challenge of figuring out how to win certain parleys. Sadly everything after that quest line is too easy. I think that's an element that is missing from MMOs. I want a game that will make me think, not just rockem-sockem robots. |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
I've done harvesting and some crafting (to like level 6 i think, and even then i didn't notice any bugs or glitches, guess i was lucky on bugs and perhaps the glitches are just a matter of hardware/software optimization) Directly sub to it? without paying for the actual game? do i get the 30 days free as i would with the box? or directly charged the monthly sub? Well you won't get the 30 days for free. So you basically directly sub and pay for a month of game time and so get access to the full game. So if you can pick up the box for a price lower then the monthly fee. Well then I would go for the box first for sure ofcourse.
Well im happy to correct you. I played the trial Island last week, bought a box version entered the code and got 30 free days. I also did not encounter any bugs or glitches on IOD. I know theres been problems with Vanguard in the past but its a shame not more people are playing just now as i find it a terrific game. Excellent UI and response, lovely graphics, interesting crafting system, massive world. My last MMO was WAR and i encountered far more problems and bugs than Vanguard.
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Vanguard is running better than it ever has for me. A few weeks ago, they introduced a lag issue with fishing, and that has been 'mostly' fixed. However, you can still get some lag in zones adjacent to where folks might be fishing. The other thing to consider, and I hope this doesn't become troublesome, is that there are many more players in Vanguard now. And at prime-time the server is support 1200 or more. That's double the amount of players from 6-9 months ago. Technically, I believe that your performance can only be impacted by those in your chunk. However, IoD is always packed (even at 7am in the morning it was 40+ players last week) and because of that, IoD can be a bit more laggy than the rest of the world. For example, when we raid, everything is fine, even with 3 other guilds in the same shard. But if a fourth guild drops in and puts the number of people in our specific APW shard above 80, then lag becomes very noticeable. And there are definitely other zones with 80 people in them at a time, including IoD. Also, depending on where you are traveling, diplomacy buffs 'may' be slowing down your chunk. Nearly every outpost and city during prime time has almost all the diplomacy buffs up.. you can end up with 20 or so and when you chunk with that, they all reload. But in the end, my performance is as good as it has ever been right now. Including 1 second chunk times (barely noticeable now). A guildie just quit EQ2 and returned this past weekend and his summary was that VG was night and day better than what he experienced 8 months ago.
If someone is getting worse performance now than they had in the past, I'd recommend the suite of trouble-shooting steps... update drivers, defrag, full-file scan, delete .ini file.... put settings at default and then push them back up again, go with default UI (some custom UIs have gotten so complex they are introducing memory leaks and fps issues), etc. etc. etc. |
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I downloaded the trial to test Vanguard out and I played for the full 2 weeks, I leveled several characters to level 10 in more than 1 sphere each. I saw NONE of the problems you describe. I subscribed to Vanguard because I liked the trial. The one and only problem I experienced was the lag issue with fishing. Again, I am seeing NONE of the issues you are. I have little to no lag now even in popular chunks, when I go between chunks it only takes a second and I have run into zero glitches or bugs. Perhaps you should look over your settings and computer to see if the problems are on your side instead of immediately coming here to troll. |
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Your poor video performance sounds unusual. Could you check your video driver and see if it's different than the VG recommended video driver. Here is the link of the VG Recommended Video Drivers. Good luck. http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16732 |
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Originally posted by Xiaoki
So I write a honest review and 2 years later there are still fanbois here bashing me down? My god you people are awful! Get a life man! Fading NPC's due to people being on different stages of quests. Bugged diplomacy NPC's. Bugged quests. Falling through the world. Glitching clothes, etc. What the heck has that to do with my PC and my setup? Explain that to me please? Just go pick up the fishing quest for yourself for example and see how polished and bugfree that questchain is. I am sure you people desperately want Vanguard to become more succesful. So did I! I always said Vanguard was a great game and had the potential to become great! But you should take a look at the official forums first and see what many people are voicing there right now. About important quest chains being bugged for months and not being fixed! People are complaining about increasing lag in hubs, during chunking, during RAID's, etc. And a lot of people pressing SOE to focus this year on fixing and polishing the game, instead of continuesly releasing bugged dev pet projects. Cheers When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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I tried the trial, recently, and seen some of the things mentioned by the OP. I really wanted to like this game. Sometimes it felt just a bit "chunky" to me. I also ran into some small bugs/glitches. (one was the door thing, which I think they may I remedied now) When I weighed it against the trials for the other games I tried, it was a hard decision, but I went with one that ran more smoothly and it seemed more polished. After 4 years of CoH/V, I needed something new., sadly this wasn't it. But I would recommend everyone to try it. With the free trial, what have ya got to loose. |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
So I write a honest review and 2 years later there are still fanbois here bashing me down? My god you people are awful! Get a life man! Fading NPC's due to people being on different stages of quests. Bugged diplomacy NPC's. Bugged quests. Falling through the world. Glitching clothes, etc. What the heck has that to do with my PC and my setup? Explain that to me please? Just go pick up the fishing quest for yourself for example and see how polished and bugfree that questchain is. I am sure you people desperately want Vanguard to become more succesful. So did I! I always said Vanguard was a great game and had the potential to become great! But you should take a look at the official forums first and see what many people are voicing there right now. About important quest chains being bugged for months and not being fixed! People are complaining about increasing lag in hubs, during chunking, during RAID's, etc. And a lot of people pressing SOE to focus this year on fixing and polishing the game, instead of continuesly releasing bugged dev pet projects. Cheers So what your saying is our reviews arent honest ? I cant pretend to have problems just to please you. |
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Originally posted by Beachcomber So what your saying is our reviews arent honest ? I cant pretend to have problems just to please you.
Did I say you should? What you people (like that poster I was quoting) need to understand, that if you were so lucky and happen to had a completely bugfree experience on IoD, without a single bug or glitch (altho I still find it hard to believe), that it doesn't mean everyone else has and that we are lying and accusing us for trolling! I remember plenty of people complaining about bugs and glitches in WoW and EQ2. Stuff I myself luckily never ran into. Doesn't mean it's not there and that those people are lying or immediately blaming their computer that quests or zones are bugged. That's just sad. Altho in Vanguard you have to try real hard to not run into any bug or glitch. People saying that they leveled up to level50 without bugs or glitches are just flatout lying. But so far no one has dared posting that. So I leave it by that. The funny thing is that at least on the official Vanguard forums people are now honest and more open to talk and discuss about the issues with Vanguard. While on these forums people still seem to be in desperation mode in hiding the truth, troll others that are critical... just to protect their precious game. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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To the OP. |
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I gathered some interesting topics from the official Vanguard forums, so you can see how bugfree and super polished this game is: http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45148 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45304 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45308 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45263 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45095 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45281 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=42963 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45023 http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?topic_id=45096
happy reading! When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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Yeah, so. I can go and find topics like that for any MMO ever made. What you need to understand is that extreme cases like yours are very rare. But more rational people look for solutions instead of coming on to these forums and trolling. Also, yes, you are trolling. Trolling - Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums. |
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Originally posted by Guillermo197
This? This has only resulting with people going to LotRO, WoW, WAR <insert your MMORPG here> and copying over bug threads as well. There's no difference. |
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I can honeslty say I am not seeing any of the problems your seeing. NPCs fading away, huh? I have been playing since beta and the performance has steadily gotten better.
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Originally posted by morpin Oke let me explain in detail: 1) NPC's fading away, like you are in the middle of a parly (diplomacy) and suddenly a player comes by that is one stage further and suddenly the NPC despawns and you are faced with a 10 minute respawn timer till that NPC spawns again. Then you are in the middle of a parly again ....whopa... another player comes by and the NPC suddenly despawns AGAIN. That kind of shit... that they never bothered to fix! Same in the temple (last quest on diplomacy) when I need to parly with an NPC and constantly when Im in the middle of it, some jacko jumps down and spawns mobs who attack me and break off the parly.... over and over and over and over, then your NPC guards die... you die and respawn a mile away. Rent a new fly mount... fly back to Temple and the NPC is suddenly despawned. So now you need to abandon the quest. Fly all the way back to pick up the quest again. Fly back to the temple an d pray to the gods that not some other jacko jumps down on the platform while you are in the middle of a parly and spawns mobs again.
2) Or how about this: Go for a swim in the swamps when killing mobs there for a quest and suddenly you end up under the world. Happened to my gf several times, me and several others I've met on the Isle of Dawn. 3) Crafting clothes that don't align with your avatar so it looks like your hands are chopped off and floating in mid air (currently the case on my gf's character). If you craft alot it's just plain annoying to look at. 4) On the mainland picking up the fishing quest, and having to relog because the merchant doesnt want to sell you anything. Then you have to cancel each following sequence and re-accepting it to complete the questchain. Something they never bothered to fix. 5) Rental flying mounts. Half the time when you are in the air and want to land back on the ground you are hitting some invisible barrier that prevents you from landing. You are forced to wait for the timer to run out and then try to despawn the mount. Usually needs a relog. 6) A lot of diplomacy and crafting outfits are clipping the crap out of your character. They never bothered to fix that. (luckily with adventuring armor it's not that bad) 7) Fishing is just plain bugged and extremely tedious. Nothing further to add to that. 8) Loot roll system is still not been optimised. Need/Roll is extremely slow and tedious. The whole group looting system is just plain tedious. Something WoW, EQ2, LOTRO for example have done so much better. Much faster, more fluid. 9) Lot of performance issues have returned! A year ago I was really impressed in how the performance and chunking times in the game had been improved. Now with the latest update and couple patches they have re-introduced a lot of the old performance issues again!! These are just a couple things I ran into within a couple days. It's not that the game isn't fun or completely broken. No one is saying that! The problem is, that after 2 years, the game still feels chunky and sluggish. You would expect that after 2 whole years they managed to get the game in a more polished state by now! When I play WoW, EQ2, LOTRO, FFXI, Guild Wars, whatever... these games feel polished, smooth and fluid. Sure they still have a bug or glitch here and there. But the chance you run into it is very small. With Vanguard it's the other way around. That's the big difference and the main reason Vanguard continues to struggle to hold on to the amount of subs and doesn't grow. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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i actually resubbed last month, left again, because EVE is just taking up way too much time for me to split between 2, more in depth, mmos. The client runs alot better than it did when it launched, alot better. I was there and seeing it run on max for me, game looks great ( some animations like running are a bit weak). There was 1 or 2 bugs i saw, mostly cosmetic or graphical glitches, NOTHING like which was present at launch. The game is actually fairly bug free (i got to lvl 15ish). |
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You can't deny that VG has a large number of bugs. I mean if I go looking for bugs and trying to find them to highlight them I can no doubt come up with a good list. When the game was released it was impossible to play without constantly running into bugs. I mean you couldn't even group and zone without the group becoming half disconnected and not being able to invite people. Or you would go up a hill and fall through the world so often that you avoided hills. Every time you zoned there was a risk that something bad would happen. Graphics lag and hitching were a virual death sentence waiting to happen at any time. There were many chunks in the game that were completely empty of mobs and other areas where the mobs had no loot at all. You could crash every 30-60 minutes if you forgot to /flush. There were various duping bugs and lots of other issues. The game was clearly unfinished and released way before it should have been! Today you can play the game and not encounter any of these issues. You can still find some quests that don't work right, you can find occational graphic errors where something doesn't look right, you can when swiming swim below the world and if you keep going down fall, you can run into issues many others describe. However, you can also play for hours and hours without any problems of bugs in one of the largest, most complex and diverse games on the market. Yeah it has been two years but if the game was released today it would do very well. And today is what matters isn't it? If you are looking for a good PvE oriented game VG is a very good choice. No other game has the scope of features and capabilities VG has. But no game keeps people going forever, VG is a great game but to all things there comes a time to move on to something else if for no other reason then to take a break and give things time to evolve and expand so that when you come back it is to a new exciting start. |
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Originally posted by boojiboy
This? This has only resulting with people going to LotRO, WoW, WAR <insert your MMORPG here> and copying over bug threads as well. There's no difference.
Kinda funny actually, some of these threads aren't even bugs and some of them go back 3 months. Thats a pretty impressive amount of digging. But as has been said you can find this kinda stuff in any game. Go head to the wow forums or LotR od any game and you can find tons of issues being reported and all from the past few hours...
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Originally posted by ethion
Kinda funny actually, some of these threads aren't even bugs and some of them go back 3 months. Thats a pretty impressive amount of digging. But as has been said you can find this kinda stuff in any game. Go head to the wow forums or LotR od any game and you can find tons of issues being reported and all from the past few hours...
Did you actually read the topics? Appearently not. All topics are the most recent discussions. The go back 3 months is appearently just 2 words (3 months) you saw somewhere and then think it's 3 month old topic. If you read that particular topic then you would have read that that big quest chain is bugged for 3 months and still not fixed. Something entirely different. So it's no digging at all..... I took me less then 30 secs to pick the topics from the first forum page and link them here. So nice try. When www met dot , they then stumbled upon Secret Society , wich happened to be a Guild , wich in turn told dot about the net . |
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