Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

My main concern right now would be that the devs themselves have no confidenced int he scalability of their netcode.

If its not capable of much more than they currently have, the worry is game wont be financially feasable with 5000 accounts per server , if they projected at least double that .

Originally posted by Katrar

the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

God, I hope so. Not anything to do with DF's fate, I mean I hope large companies decide to develope a real sandbox with all their capital behind it. I hope DF wakes up the suits in some large company that there is a demographic waiting to be tapped.

The only thing Darkfall is missing right now is Money.

here's hoping they get with an accountant and figre this shit out. I beta tested the thing and loved it. The game is great. And you know what's sad? It's pretty amateur - but compared to everything else, it's still great. The state of MMOs is so bad that an amateur game beats them all.

They just need money.

Originally posted by harmonica

The only thing Darkfall is missing right now is Money.

here's hoping they get with an accountant and figre this shit out. I beta tested the thing and loved it. The game is great. And you know what's sad? It's pretty amateur - but compared to everything else, it's still great. The state of MMOs is so bad that an amateur game beats them all.

 

They just need money.

Aye, and if that money starts coming, at least some mainstream dev houses will probably start diverting personnel to "new and exciting MMO projects" that spell disaster for Aventurine, but great future times to be had for PVP'ers the world over. 

Originally posted by Katrar

Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

Imagine if Blizzard made a new ruleset PvP server in WoW with FFA and took away the BOP tag to enable ppl to lose their shinies =), it would be a start and I am very surprised it hasn't happened by now for at least 1 or 2 servers to guage the popularity of the idea.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

Originally posted by qbangy32

Imagine if Blizzard made a new ruleset PvP server in WoW with FFA and took away the BOP tag to enable ppl to lose their shinies =), it would be a start and I am very surprised it hasn't happened by now for at least 1 or 2 servers to guage the popularity of the idea.

lol full loot PVP WoW, wouldn't it be hillariously ironic if WoW ended up the destination for hard core PVP'ers? That's almost alternate universe stuff. 

Well, Darkfall will never be a huge hit and have millions of subscribers, but that doesn't mean it will not be able to sustain itself. The dev team is pretty small and they can stay profitable with only a few servers.

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

 

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

Would have to agree there, I love the idea of EVE just hate the setting, I'm a orc and elf guy and just can't seem to get to grips with the whole space thing, never have and probably never will, but my blood starts pumping when I hear some of my old guildies who play EVE talk about Corps going to war with each other, makes it sound so exciting.

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

 

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

i'm really not sure what you mean.

bare in mind, ambulation, supposedly will be out this summer (for eve).  if everyone is correct in thinking that ambulation is beta testing for world of darkness; then, we possibly may be hearing about world of darkness' mmo making strides by this fall.

i'm will to bet that world of darkness will be along the lines of eve, as far as pvp, looting, empire building, etc.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

 

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

 

i'm really not sure what you mean.

 

bare in mind, ambulation, supposedly will be out this summer (for eve).  if everyone is correct in thinking that ambulation is beta testing for world of darkness; then, we possibly may be hearing about world of darkness' mmo making strides by this fall.

i'm will to bet that world of darkness will be along the lines of eve, as far as pvp, looting, empire building, etc.

I meant that it's EVE itself that is the barrier to a lot of players. Not the spaceships, not the sci-fi, not the (possibility of) PVP, etc. But the fundamental game design. I've tried to bring a lot of friends in and most leave because it was just "too wierd for them" or other kind of... well... hard to define reasons. All MMO players though, they just don't like EVE.

Your original comment though that people forget EVE has PVP so hard core some loot even blows itself up, well that's true. 

And yes, it does sound like station ambulation is beta testing for their WoD engine (which is expected in 2011 or so I think).

Originally posted by Katrar

Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

Disagreed.

Been playing since launch and, having played many others, I can honestly say that this is, by far, the best game I have played to date.

So, regardless of  your concerns, I don't see the problems you describe as being, in anyway, valid.

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

 

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

Dude, "space" is so goddamn boring. "Final frontier" my ass. It's a buncha f'n dots on a black background.

I mean, I give Eve "props" and what not, but it's sooooo vast. A little.... too vast.

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Katrar

Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

 

Disagreed.

Been playing since launch and, having played many others, I can honestly say that this is, by far, the best game I have played to date.

 

So, regardless of  your concerns, I don't see the problems you describe as being, in anyway, valid.

So you think that a well funded dev team full of top notch talent would not blow Aventurine right out of the water if they received the green light to make the next great full loot PVP extravaganza? Really? You have that much faith in Tasos & co? Really. 

Originally posted by qbangy32

Imagine if Blizzard made a new ruleset PvP server in WoW with FFA and took away the BOP tag to enable ppl to lose their shinies =), it would be a start and I am very surprised it hasn't happened by now for at least 1 or 2 servers to guage the popularity of the idea.

 

 

This would be a start but WoW has a lot of game mechanics that make for a crappy game and so they might as well start from scratch. Maybe just use the graphics engine or something. I don't mind the cartoon art. Just the game mechanics I hate.

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Katrar

Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

 

Disagreed.

Been playing since launch and, having played many others, I can honestly say that this is, by far, the best game I have played to date.

 

So, regardless of  your concerns, I don't see the problems you describe as being, in anyway, valid.

 

So you think that a well funded dev team full of top notch talent would not blow Aventurine right out of the water if they received the green light to make the next great full loot PVP extravaganza? Really? You have that much faith in Tasos & co? Really. 

world of darkness, perhaps?

ccp... white wolf... PLUS the combined fanbases of white wolf games AND eve online....

Originally posted by harmonica

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Katrar

etc etc etc

why do so many people act like darkfall is the only ffa pvp/full loot game out there?

eve is so hardcore, that a bunch of the loot explodes (and ceases to exist) and you can fully loot whatever is left over.

 

EVE is full of some crazy PVP, for sure. It's actually where I get my PVP kicks. But I think most people recognize that it is EVE's peculiar style of gameplay in general that makes it niche, not its PVP.

 

Dude, "space" is so goddamn boring. "Final frontier" my ass. It's a buncha f'n dots on a black background.

 

I mean, I give Eve "props" and what not, but it's sooooo vast. A little.... too vast.

when i'm warping (the boring part) from place to place, i zoom by planets, different types of nebulae/clouds/whatever, different coloured suns/systems/*stuff* that i'm zooming by.  if you've pvp-ing; then um, when exactly are you staring at dots (other than maybe the Xs flitting about)?

just sayin...

Originally posted by Katrar

Originally posted by robertb

Originally posted by Katrar

Any way you look at it, Darkfall is probably going to get screwed in the end. It is just that there are a couple of different possibilities as to the HOW of the screw:

Screwed #1 - Darkfall just plain fails on its own, from a technical perspective, the "fun" not lasting long enough to hook a sustainable community, or whatever. End result: Darkfall is finished, and the kind of hard core MMO gaming it represents dies with it.

Screwed #2 - Darkfall succeeds, whether short term or long. It manages to apply enough bandaids, content, etc etc to sustain a profitable community. Here's the thing... say what you all will about Aventurine (I would certainly agree with most of it)... the entire MMO world is paying attention to this game. Why? Because its premise, hard core PVP, had been abandoned by the mainstream as an unprofitable relic. However, if Darkfall becomes profitable, it is almost guaranteed that other larger, better financed and more technically competent players will move in to dominate this neglected segment of the MMO population. End result: Someone else does it better, and players rightfully abandon Darkfall for greener pastures.

I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community. However, that is not to say that I want it to fail. There are some amazing possibilities for truly memorable gaming that are only really feasible in a sandbox PVP environment. The only upside I see to this whole mess is that if I, and a lot of other people are wrong, and Darkfall proves the commercial viability of hard core PVP, it can only get better. If the stinking mess that is Darkfall can do it, and provide people a lot of fun, I can only imagine what a future and much better game will have to offer.

Any way you look at it though... Darkfall's days are numbered. But then, that's kind of the way it is with innovators isn't it? (Even though I know that DF is not technically an innovator... but rather a potential retro trend setter).

I'll probably be called all kinds of names from either side of this little forum war, but oh well, it's an interesting observation at least.

 

Disagreed.

Been playing since launch and, having played many others, I can honestly say that this is, by far, the best game I have played to date.

 

So, regardless of  your concerns, I don't see the problems you describe as being, in anyway, valid.

 

So you think that a well funded dev team full of top notch talent would not blow Aventurine right out of the water if they received the green light to make the next great full loot PVP extravaganza? Really? You have that much faith in Tasos & co? Really. 

No, I disagree with:

"I personally think Darkfall is going to fail, simply because it will be unable to generate a long term sustainable community."

Your hyperbole simply makes the rest of your post irrelevant.