I'm following the development of Star Trek Online and Star Wars The Old Republic.  Which one of these games seems most promising to you?  I'd love to hear your opinions and reasons.  Thanks for any feedback!

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

I'm following the development of Star Trek Online and Star Wars The Old Republic.  Which one of these games seems most promising to you?  I'd love to hear your opinions and reasons.  Thanks for any feedback!

 

me personally sw:tor. i have always been a star wars nut, and everything bioware touches turns to pure gold. so for me there is no doubt in my mind which i will be playing

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

I'm following the development of Star Trek Online and Star Wars The Old Republic.  Which one of these games seems most promising to you?  I'd love to hear your opinions and reasons.  Thanks for any feedback!

 

 

me personally sw:tor. i have always been a star wars nut, and everything bioware touches turns to pure gold. so for me there is no doubt in my mind which i will be playing

That's a good point re. Bioware.  My kids are playing KOTOR for the third time lol.  Every time they play it they discover multiple side quests that they never found before.  They get sooo excited, and that's very cool for a Dad to see :).  I have a lot of respect for Bioware and hope this project turns out well for them.
 

If tor turns out to be more sinlge player than mmo then I'm not interested. I'm not sure that much has been revealed yet, I haven't checked in awhile. And the last time I checked up on sto it was being developed so that pc players and console players would be on the same server together.

I'm a huge Star Wars nut too, but I don't think I'm too excited about The Old Republic. Yes, BioWare makes game gold, but there's a problem I'm worried about. This is an aesthetic annoyance for me personally, but BioWare never seemed to make games with a jump. Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Mass Effect, you name it. That's one minor issue. The other issue is that while they make great stories, I'm worried about this as a multiplayer game.

I've got a sort of jsutice complex. Always trying to play superhero, online or off. So if jedi cannot be very acrobatic, well, I might just be a little upset.

I sure hope it goes well, but I'm really not getting my hopes up.

I'm looking more forward to Earthrise.

(I'm really hoping they model the combat after Mass Effect...but with jumping.)

At the moment, its a toss up, both STO, and SW:TOR seem to be coming along very well, so, for me, its a really hard call, though, I did play SWG, and, did play the NGE for 6 months*wish I hadn't*. I can't help, but, look forward to the newest version, as for STO, its a new MMO, and, new ground to break.

What I really hope for is that MMO companies will finally get around to massively improving the AI in MMOs, after all, look at the high focused AI in the Far CRy 2, Fallout, and Crysis 2 games, MMOs neeed to be more intutive, and, be able to just not either tank, or, just do damage. Even Eve Online's AI is starting to get dated, and, what do the Devs and GMs do there, they nerf the players ships, and force the players to try and do battle with thier nerfed stats against a non nerfed enemy, not, a more intelligent enemy, just a regular enemy that does the very same thing over and over again, gets mind numbing after awhile.

Unfortunately, even pvp players sometimes are just as mindless as the AI, and, will follow the very same patterns day after day, month after month.

To be perfectly honest both are pretty high on my radar screen.  Old Republic because it is BioWare.  This is a company that, for all intents and purposes, is the last bastion of hope for any RPG fan (Obsidian Entertainment shares in this burden but thats a discussion for a different forum hehe).  Star Trek is a phenomenal license and has been treated very poorly for many years with dud after dud.  Cryptic has given us a reasonably decent mmo and if they are able to provide something better than a poorly disguised cookie cutter mission grind I will be pleasantly surprised.  There is definitely something intriguing about being the captain of your own klingon vessel and patrolling deep space :)

Apart from these two Earth Rising has caught my eye.  Sounds like ti will be a sandbox mmo set in something other than the fantasy genre which cannot be a bad thing.  Of course the company is pretty much an unknown and while the screenshots look nifty I can't help but wonder if it will end up being another Dark and Light/Darkfall.

i personaly have never really liked star trek but i dont care im going to play it anyway. it looks cool as hell. ships characters and hell you can even create your own species. but i am die hard star wars and looking forward to TOR.

TBH if you are looking for something similar to Pre-Cu take a look at Fallen earth....enough said

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

Originally posted by miagisan

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

agreed  a game with so much promise can wait a little bit longer  but i mean if they can get it right ..It will be great...

Originally posted by needalife214

Originally posted by miagisan

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

 

agreed  a game with so much promise can wait a little bit longer  but i mean if they can get it right ..It will be great...

 scary word there

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

I'm following the development of Star Trek Online and Star Wars The Old Republic.  Which one of these games seems most promising to you?  I'd love to hear your opinions and reasons.  Thanks for any feedback!

 

I probebly wil playing or trying both out, but must say at this moment both don't appeal to my MMORPG side but more to my gamers side. Mostly cause I know  what I want out of a MMORPG especialy ones with IP like the 2 you mentioned as to both I am sort of a fan but from both have not seen the things I consider MMORPG but could consider nice multiplayer games.

If given the choice now it would be Star Trek since SWGTOR will be including microtransactions.

Originally posted by miagisan

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

OMG, So you base your opinions on ALPHA???????????????????

Not even Beta but ALPHA????????????????????

Go shoot yourself in the head.

I think that I will skip both. I just hate Lucasarts these days and Star Trek's developers really don't have any idea what they are trying to accomplish. Thought, if Bioware really succefully manage to get their game right - I might try it. Basically both of them seems to be traditional closed world damage dealer-healer-tank games.

I will rather use my money to Mass Effect 2, EvE-online and Second LIfe.

Was waiting on SGW but its not looking good, of the 2 you talked about the sto was going to be my second pick but, that games flip floped so much I have little hopes of anything at this point.

I recently went back to City of Heroes, depending on how Champions Online and SWTOR turns out, CoH/V may be my last MMO game for a while. There's just something about new MMO games that keeps me away from these days, they all seem the same from one anoter, dumbed down and are very linear.

I think Eve Online, if and when Ambulation kicks in, will probably be the best bet for me.  Eve's already got very deep systems for shipbuilding, tactical space combat, economics, a great setting, keen sense of aesthetics and so on but the lack of avatars makes it hard for more conventional roleplaying.   There is a very sharp and creative, if smallish, group of roleplayers on Eve but the roleplay tends to be philosophical and political rather than personal.  While I admire that, it's rare to see thoughtful and deeper themes explored in MMO roleplaying, a more human face is nice for daily social interactions on a smaller scale.  It may also serve to bring players in closer physical proximity rather than confining most RP to chat channels and forums.  This too could revitalize roleplaying with a sense of real community.

Star Trek Online is my runner up.  It's at least trying to do some new things.  We'll see how that works out.  I'm a junkie for multiplayer, crewed, ships in MMOs.   My YT's half the reason I put up with SWG at all!  My experience with that convention goes back to tabletop Star Trek roleplaying and HSPACE MUSHes (text-based roleplaying).  Nothing keeps folks together like being in a crew.   Not as big or impersonal as a guild and with a real purpose keepin' 'em together - that being the ship itself.   As my buddies in the Glastons are fond of saying, "Crew is Family."  Sure, one player can pilot a ship himself in STO with NPC crew but you can also use players last I checked.   Only downside?  It's Star Trek.  Yawn.   Whatever happened to the Firefly MMO?

KOTOR Online, well, it's not doing anything new that I can tell.  It will probably feel more like Star Wars (Rebellion Era or not) than SWG and it will certainly have better missions.   That said, it's not likely to have stuff I'm interested in.  Space, player cities, Storyteller tools, character customization, entertainers, pets?  NPC sidekicks sound interesting but compared to, say, the Mastermind Class in CoV or the Beastmaster class in SWG how long is each one going to be very interesting or useful for?

SWG has major, major, issues but it's still home.  I'll probably check out all three of these at one point or another though.

You aren't alone about multiplayer ships, when they did a teaser video of capitol ships back in 2005, I thought, wow this'll be great for SWG when we could fly to the space station and visit vendors, cantinas and even fight players and NPCs onboard and even look out the window into space. Yeah right, Smedley said "oh that was a dev playing with the graphics.".

Originally posted by needalife214

Originally posted by miagisan

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

 

agreed  a game with so much promise can wait a little bit longer  but i mean if they can get it right ..It will be great...

Probably going to be another 6 months until launch, plenty of time to keep working on things, especially since all the features and most of the content are in there already.

Originally posted by OddjobXL

I think Eve Online, if and when Ambulation kicks in, will probably be the best bet for me.  Eve's already got very deep systems for shipbuilding, tactical space combat, economics, a great setting, keen sense of aesthetics and so on but the lack of avatars makes it hard for more conventional roleplaying.   There is a very sharp and creative, if smallish, group of roleplayers on Eve but the roleplay tends to be philosophical and political rather than personal.  While I admire that, it's rare to see thoughtful and deeper themes explored in MMO roleplaying, a more human face is nice for daily social interactions on a smaller scale.  It may also serve to bring players in closer physical proximity rather than confining most RP to chat channels and forums.  This too could revitalize roleplaying with a sense of real community.

Star Trek Online is my runner up.  It's at least trying to do some new things.  We'll see how that works out.  I'm a junkie for multiplayer, crewed, ships in MMOs.   My YT's half the reason I put up with SWG at all!  My experience with that convention goes back to tabletop Star Trek roleplaying and HSPACE MUSHes (text-based roleplaying).  Nothing keeps folks together like being in a crew.   Not as big or impersonal as a guild and with a real purpose keepin' 'em together - that being the ship itself.   As my buddies in the Glastons are fond of saying, "Crew is Family."  Sure, one player can pilot a ship himself in STO with NPC crew but you can also use players last I checked.   Only downside?  It's Star Trek.  Yawn.   Whatever happened to the Firefly MMO?

KOTOR Online, well, it's not doing anything new that I can tell.  It will probably feel more like Star Wars (Rebellion Era or not) than SWG and it will certainly have better missions.   That said, it's not likely to have stuff I'm interested in.  Space, player cities, Storyteller tools, character customization, entertainers, pets?  NPC sidekicks sound interesting but compared to, say, the Mastermind Class in CoV or the Beastmaster class in SWG how long is each one going to be very interesting or useful for?

SWG has major, major, issues but it's still home.  I'll probably check out all three of these at one point or another though.

I'm waiting for ambulation in EVE myself.  At the moment the game looks and sounds very deep and enjoyable, but the ship only concept feels a bit too detached for me.  I enjoy virtual face-to-face interactions, or at least the option.
 

I plan to try STOR, STO, and EVE once you can walk around.  If I really like one of those on a trial basis, I'll most likely dive in :). 

I don't know very much about fallen earth, who makes that?  I'll probably look it up on the site here as well.

As for SWG, the game may have issues, but it's really the fact that SOE has issues (far too many for my liking) that keeps me from going back.  All games have some issues.  It's how they're handled, and how customers are treated that gets my attention.

Originally posted by Cola

Originally posted by miagisan

i played FE alpha, and good concepts, just some very poorly instituted. Still iffy on FE and i think its releasing too early

 

OMG, So you base your opinions on ALPHA???????????????????

Not even Beta but ALPHA????????????????????

Go shoot yourself in the head.

 

fanbois much? did i say it was bad? i said some ideas were poorly implimented, something that is inherant in GAME DESIGN and not alpha/beta/release stages.

Grow up.

Originally posted by Valeran

If given the choice now it would be Star Trek since SWGTOR will be including microtransactions.

No one knows if TOR will include micro transactions or not, they haven't announced anything yet. Try waiting on an official announcement before jumping to conclusions and spreading rumors that may or may not be true.

Originally posted by Ranger_One

Originally posted by Valeran

If given the choice now it would be Star Trek since SWGTOR will be including microtransactions.

 

No one knows if TOR will include micro transactions or not, they haven't announced anything yet. Try waiting on an official announcement before jumping to conclusions and spreading rumors that may or may not be true.

The CEO of EA made a statement during a quarterly financial conference call to investors that micro transactions would be a part of TOR.  Now the developers have since backed off of that statement but did not deny it either.  I do not need an official announcement to foresee this.

I would be very surprised if the CEO was to be shown a liar given that the statement was made to investors.  The FTC frowns upon such things especially given the current economic climate and state of the US market and the scrutiny companies are now under.