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I have seen the Darkfall forums these last 4 days. I pity the guys searching for even the slightest useful information. The mmorpg.com Darkfall forum is ONE big ugly pit of vomit/hate. Oh I am used to it in Wow and other "fans" of games know exaclty what I am talking about. With the launch of DF the limits are just much more "widened". The result is the makers of DF closed most of the time their forums and Mythic didn't even had offical forums at launch (being afraid of ...). --- What about a constructive solution? Only let people post with character in the mentioned game is a very good solution for MMO companies. Of course the better organised, the better the results would be. Take the last months in the official Wow forums. What uses to be a pit of vomit, that has changed a LOT lately. Reason ? Posters are related to their in game armory avatar ... and the achievements are NOW included in the armory. Everyone can see their doings in the game.... Suddenly you saw some very serious discussions taking place. Someone yelling Game sucks and raids suck with a level 80 character that hadn't seen the inner side of a dungeon since level 21, was quite amusing these last monts. Of course there are still the created level 4's to spawn hate, but the overall feeling is that the ridiculous things we see now in Darkfall diminished. ------ I got another idea for future MMO launches !!!! Let them post only with their highest avatars !! So everyone can see the noob from the beginning who is posting with a lvl 8 hate and saying someting about "the latest raid ' I ven been in'. Of course this system means a basis in an armory and/or achievements system and .... it can't be worked out on mmorpg.com forums..... .... Unless you would include a color code for those WILLING enough to post with the link to their highest avatars. What about it Stradden ? Any ideas? Because DF is about the lowest form of forums you can have I think.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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I'm sure the majority of those who come to this website for news will be relieved once the DF forums come back online and perhaps this website might return back to normal. I whole heartedly agree that tying in-game characters to your forum account is a good idea and would help in the anon haters spewing post after post after post on the same subject, but is that even possible on a site like this that caters to not a single game but to a community of gamers? self regulation and forum moderators are the only available tools used presently. Anyway good idea Zorndorf.
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I utterly disagree with Zorndorf's idea, simply because his underlying motivation is driven by little else than a desire to censor negative posts on the forums, especially in the World of Warcraft section. Zorndorf's intervention has nothing to do with Darkfall or what is being written in that section. If anything, the Darkfall section is in need of tighter moderation, but tying posting rights to game accounts (as is the direct implication of the WoW armory, the equivalent of which Darkfall doesn't even have to begin with) is impossible in that case, and reprehensible if it were possible. As such a solution as proposed by Zorndorf could not be applied to Darkfall in the first place, it is apparent enough that he does not care about Darkfall, or about its forums. I will go further and make the claim that the deplorable state of the Darkfall forums is just an excuse by Zorndorf so that he can be given the means to start throwing his weight around the World of Warcraft section. Anyone interested in seeing Zorndorf in action is invited to read this thread -- all of it, with particular attention paid to Zorndorf's own contributions to it (or you may actually want to start with post #166 there, which provides a summary). The real motivation behind Zorndorf's actions in posting this thread, requesting these changes, will soon be apparent -- as will be the reasons for which his requests ought to be dismissed out of hand. "If you experience performance issues playing Limousine Online, please update your chauffeurs." |
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i think it really comes down to the community. The pre-cu swg official forums were the best forums i've ever seen. even the jedi and bh forum were full of useful information and discussion. I took a look at the forums a few months ago and it was like night and day, just came across as a bunch of children bickering |
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Censorship is bad, m'kay? Don't be such a pantywaist. Forums are for open discussion, not just 'This game is great!'. I'm sure you want to invalidate anyone who has an opinion that is different than yours, but that's just not how things work. |
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Since I am in a good mood (John Fogerty on the radio right now The title was very clear: all FUTURE MMO's launched. And I said it once again in my post. Future launches. The reason is that I am interested in Star Trek and I 'll be posting this also on their website btw. The suggestions I make are for the future and the credibility of those launches. As much as I have doubts indeed about the credibility of "haters of games". I believe the OPis a cry to stop the hate spamming all over this place and come back to foundations. Not targetting a new game to be ruined. As Wow really needs little defense these new games do need them. Shit, the song stopped (Have you ever seen the rain). Time to setup my CD.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
If you see posts that break out RoC, you can report them. If you have further complaints about the moderation, they should be addressed to community@mmorpg.com. I'm not even the correct person to speak to about this, let alone address in an unnecessary forum title. I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting we do. Are you suggesting that we somehow limit posting in our forums to people who have accounts, because I can't even begin to tell you how diffiuclt to impossible that would be.
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And this isn't site isn't affiliated with any games. So to censor what people are saying based on their highest lvl toon in a game and if they infact play that game, is unlikely. I have been perusing the WoW general forum, based on your advice. Still looks like a giant pile of nerf demanding, nerdraging 14 yr olds to me. "Tynade Wispersong is hot", "DK should not be tank+dps", "Nerf JC Prismatic gems", "QQ about Divine plea nerf". Yeah, it still sounds pretty much the same to me. |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
Need more evidence Stradden ? Number two what? As I said before... if you feel someone is breaking our RoC, REPORT THEM. I am not a moderator, nor am I the community Manager of this site. Cheers, |
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Originally posted by Stradden
If you see posts that break out RoC, you can report them. If you have further complaints about the moderation, they should be addressed to community@mmorpg.com. I'm not even the correct person to speak to about this, let alone address in an unnecessary forum title. I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting we do. Are you suggesting that we somehow limit posting in our forums to people who have accounts, because I can't even begin to tell you how diffiuclt to impossible that would be. What he wants you to do, I have no idea. What he wants to be able to do, you will easily understand if you go through the thread I have linked to above. It's a long read, but I think it will speak for itself. "If you experience performance issues playing Limousine Online, please update your chauffeurs." |
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Blah blah blah. You are saying that people's opinions should be censored by their in game level and that's just retarded. I for one only played WoW in beta, and I thought it sucked then. Shouldn't I have the right to say I think the game sucks? I don't see how getting to level 80 makes my point anymore valid when I feel that the fundementals of the game are terrible. Now as for official game forums? Sure, your idea isn't so bad. Post it on the official forums. This is a free for all forum and whether or not I play the game I am still more than justified in making a statement about whether or not I like the game based on nothing more than hearsay and conjecture. |
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One problem is that that can turn forum arguments into "I'm right because I'm higher level than you". I tend to play a lot of alts, so just because my highest level isn't very high level doesn't necessarily mean I haven't played a game quite a bit. Trying to link accounts here to a bunch of different accounts in various independent games could also be technologically problematic. |
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Originally posted by Stradden
If you see posts that break out RoC, you can report them. If you have further complaints about the moderation, they should be addressed to community@mmorpg.com. I'm not even the correct person to speak to about this, let alone address in an unnecessary forum title. I'm not sure what it is you're suggesting we do. Are you suggesting that we somehow limit posting in our forums to people who have accounts, because I can't even begin to tell you how diffiuclt to impossible that would be.
My suggestion was indeed to the new MMO launchers in the first place. But the last paragraph was also adressed to mmorpg.com A color code could be included to whoever posted with his in game avatar (and level or reknown rank etc...), making clear what "expertise" the man brought to the table. Discussing the lousy state of PvP in a game with 8 kills showing on the posters data sheet is a good reason to avoid an "empty" discussion.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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Originally posted by Quizzical
In my proposed system, you could only post with your highest avatar(s). You could also include the alts as a reference in the post. At least SOME had to come forward with statements IN game. Making a more honest discussion. Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf ... and how exactly would we verify this information? You do realize we don't have access to any MMO's internal information, right? unless you're talking about manually checking the avatars of over 1,000,000 members.... Cheers, |
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Why would how many people he has killed have any bearing at all on whether or not he felt the PvP was lousy? How many kills do you need to form an opinion? I think you are just looking for a way to 'get props' for the time you've spent in the game and somehow make other people's opinions mean less than yours because of it. You don't see any problem with that at all, eh? |
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Originally posted by Stradden Number two what? As I said before... if you feel someone is breaking our RoC, REPORT THEM. I am not a moderator, nor am I the community Manager of this site.
It's a lie! Cuz I'm always number 1! |
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Originally posted by xaldraxius
Of course you could post, but as an outside source Clearly indicating you didn't have any recent game experience and showing you didn't like the game in Beta. For X, Y and Z reason. No problem. People know what you stand for.
Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf So to stay on topic and the point of your discussion,how does this relate to DF?you don't even have levels lmao..i think you must be talking about yourself when stating someone posting about something they know nothing of. In case you have been living under a rock,DEVELOPERS DO read forums.They WILL get an idea of what gamers want.They are not stupid,they can decide what makes sense from a post that is just "I HATE YOU". The OP is also not giving the readers any credit,MOST readers are quite capable of reading through crap or fact. Forums ARE a discussion of games.Instead of sounding like a child crying out to daddy for help[,why not offer some creative HELP as you put it to the forums?When you see a game,that as you state,you know something of,offer your critique.It does NOT always have to be painted ponies and pretty pink flowers,I for one give more respect to those who are honest,than those who just say"This is the greatest game of all time"if you do not agree,you are a troll.Believe me i have seen this more and more everyday.This is the kind of BS you WIL Lsee following the OP's idea,again a fail. So if using the OP's suggestion ,we would get more and ONLY the BS posted on forums.To further prove a point,look at SWG !!,,full of vets,who have done nothing but RUIN the game and their community,so this shows again the OP's idea fails LARGE.I guess the OP needs to hang around a little longer to fully understand everything that surrounds gaming,it is not a little plain box with option A or option B..Travis !. I know what the OP is after and that is a FANBASE.Well they do exist,go there if that is what you want.Even so as proven by my SWG example,it would solve nothing,the vets complained and didn't care because they had every intention of quitting anyhow.As as also proven the VETS .PROVEN high levels also complained in a non constructive manner,they instead WANTED it their way or no way,selfish really and sort of the same idea this OP is going for.I don't care for listening to selfish ideas,like i said most of are quite capable of decphering the BS from fact,so try giving some of us some credit for being able to think for ourselves.We do not need Hitler to think for us.
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Reality check time for the OP. This site, and others like it, makes money based on selling ads to advertisers. Advertisers want a large volume of traffic on the site. Things that generate a lot of discussion, positive or negative, such as Darkfall, make advertisers (and by extension this site's owners) smile. It is not in the business interests of this site to clamp down on negative discussion. Darkfall has generated a huge amount of traffic, and that is all that really matters in a business sense. In short, your suggestions will never happen, nor should they. Don't read mmo forums if you don't want to see anonymous hatred and trolling. Its part of the game. /thread |
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Originally posted by Stradden
I'm not sure how feasible this would be, but it would be nice to be able to filter the "current forum activity" box on the front page. There's already a little of this, as off-topic posts don't appear there. If players could filter out the Darkfall spam that makes that section basically non-functional at times, it would be a lot easier to ignore the Darkfall forums here. Speaking of things I'd like to see done, how about deleting and banning the gold spammer blogs, rather than letting their posts be a substantial fraction of the "recent blog posts" section on the front page, as they have for the last week and a half. |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
In my proposed system, you could only post with your highest avatar(s). You could also include the alts as a reference in the post. At least SOME had to come forward with statements IN game. Making a more honest discussion. Censorship is still censorship, no matter how nicely you might try to dress it. Just a little sample from Zorndorf's body of work, dated February 2nd (and last edited on that date): "Could you STOP SPAM our Wow threads with hate? I for one am NOT interested in your views on which game you like more. The shine of AOC was never even there and your behaviour of attacking people who want to post why they love NOT to play Wow does NOT suite me either. Spam it in the general discussions, like all those other 600 Wow haters. Why do you even visit these forum but to spit on the game I like to play."
"If you experience performance issues playing Limousine Online, please update your chauffeurs." |
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Originally posted by Stradden ... and how exactly would we verify this information? You do realize we don't have access to any MMO's internal information, right? unless you're talking about manually checking the avatars of over 1,000,000 members....
You shouldn't control them. People can view by themselves. If proven false avatars, you can still take actions if necessary. But believe me in the end - the discussions would feel far more susbstantial. Certainly for games in their first 3 months of launch. Look Zorndorf lost a star again. ;)) The inconvenient linked truth hurts on mmorpg.com |
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The idea is utterly rediculous if almost impossible to do. I do not agree with alot of the useless flame threads but this would do nothing to solve either. And only people playing the game can post? Here is an idea .... The company can try their best in making a QUALITY game. They can do their best in customer support and treating it's players well. IF and only if they can achieve this ...then it will limit the amount of bad publicity they get from people playing or not playing their game. I currently play WOW ..most of the bad publicity they get in forums in warranted. They have done nothing to improve the social aspect of the game amongst other things. Sony/LA screwed over its customers in SWG ... deserve every bit of bad publicity they get to teh end of time. There should be absolutely NO censorship ... a smart individual can sift through what is trash and what isn't.
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I think they should require a background check, because your bio says that you are 53 years old and I highly doubt that's the truth. If it is, I am very sorry you can't see the fallacy of your own idea. I mean if you feel you have to lie about your age to get respect, yet feel people should have to have a certain amount of expirience in a game to make an opinion then you are a hypocrite. I'm not trolling, though I sense you are going to report me anyway, just because my opinion differs from yours and that's something you obviously have a problem with. |
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), I am not in the mood to answer a lvl 46 - 2000 Gold owner of Wow which indeed said he ... Raided with friends in Wow. Wow.
