Originally posted by RebquistDF

Just to play devil's advocate.. Is is fair for the clans that planned and coordinated to wake up to a wiped server?

If they abused a bug, yes it is. I believe only those who abused an unintended mechanic are the ones with cities at the moment, so a wipe would absolutely be in the best interests of the game.

The only thing i heard is that mobs were standing still in some parts of the world.. And that you could farm em easily.. Well in the Dwarf starter area it was far from that. If you even set foot close to the goblin camps you were fucked. 6546456543 shamans raped ur face like you were paper. All tho when you moved further to a zombie camp everything was fine. Been farming most of my time there :)

After a while Orks/Mahirims ran into the camp and had a blast fighting them. 

Originally posted by Gorilla

 The game is absolutely perfect for macroing, haxoring, and sploiting. Really mot good for a competative game. I am not sure there is a solution for AV at this point of time.

I would say to everyone that wants to play beg steal or borrow (or write your own, its trivial) macro 'clicker'  make sure your toon is training some skill 24/7 (resist the urge to pkay too often, playing early on is going to gimp your toon). Join a clan that cheats ,cheats often, and cheats hard. Within a week or two the gap between exploiters and those playing straight will be pretty much un closeable (if anyone playing straight hangs around).-  It wouldn't hurt to get a speedhack too.

At the very very least you gotta gotta macro.

 

 

Yeah. Full loot really helps those macros eh? Players skill and gear are WAYYYY more important than stats. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more important. Your predictions are quite laughable.

Originally posted by Gorilla

 The game is absolutely perfect for macroing, haxoring, and sploiting. Really mot good for a competative game. I am not sure there is a solution for AV at this point of time.

I would say to everyone that wants to play beg steal or borrow (or write your own, its trivial) macro 'clicker'  make sure your toon is training some skill 24/7 (resist the urge to pkay too often, playing early on is going to gimp your toon). Join a clan that cheats ,cheats often, and cheats hard. Within a week or two the gap between exploiters and those playing straight will be pretty much un closeable (if anyone playing straight hangs around).-  It wouldn't hurt to get a speedhack too.

At the very very least you gotta gotta macro.

 

 

Saying that you will gimp your character if you pk right from the start clearly shows you have never left the starting areas and have not played the game much at all.

A wipe would be for the best.  In a sandbox game, players should not be disadvantaged by the fuck ups of the GMs.  The servers should have came down 12 hours before they did, fixed the sync issues and the crashes / unplayable human characters.

It's supposed to be a competitive PvP MMO and has limited city spots.   Those lucky enough not to experience crashes also got to exploit non responsive mobs.  And on the other hand, the unlucky people didn't get to play, didn't even get to farm their money fairly and also missed out on these non responsive mobs.

So ultimately, if you didn't crash - you're at a huge advantage and that's not the way it should be.  1 day in - they should wipe.  If it was a week in, I'd say no.

They do indeed need to wipe the server so everyone gets a more fair shot.

I am also one who would lose a lot of playtime on my character but it's for the best.

Originally posted by ctrob67

Originally posted by Die_Scream

'Sploiting ruins games.

AoC didn't wipe after the gem fiasco did they? I don't think they did.

Telling people to "man up" is a poor argument for condoning exploiting.

 

The gem fiasco was *months* into the game, there was no way anyone would wipe then.  They did however deal with the 'exploit' (mistakes on their part really) by nerfing the gems into oblivion.

Later on there was an exploit with PvP XP and they did wipe PvP XP and items from people who appeared to have exploited that.

Blizz also wipe items from people who exploit WoW.

 

The way they dealt with PvP XP exploiting was awesome. They rolled back all characters who cheated to PvP lvl1. All forums were full of crying exploiters

I can only hope Aventurine has the competence and the balls to deal with exploiting in DFO.

Originally posted by ryoutou

If patterns mean anything then they will be entirely too proud to wipe, simply won't happen.

3 free days though is a joke.  There better be something better in the offing for this foolishness.

2-3 of 4 of these early clans in three months will have dropped into obscurity though, just like every other FFA game going.   1 of 4 strong beta guilds will stick it out for years, but the rest will bleed members, fraction, suffer cancelled subs, blah blah.

It sucks to miss the vanguard especially with an exploit going on to boot, but it is what it is and you just have to kill them and take their crap away from them.

lol the problem is i can see them wiping thats the way they are

Originally posted by sheek80

With clans like LOD and many others exploiting the bleep out of the sync issue the server is already compromised. The opening day catered to cheaters and now 13 citys are already claimed. There is no competition any more due to the rocky launch and futher more, we cannot voice our opinions due to the official forums being down. I dont know about you guys, but when i asked my race alliance wether or not they wanted a wipe, 90 percent were all for it.

 

 

Hopefully they will open new servers. Just wait and start in a fresh one. I doubt they will wipe.

Originally posted by Chaosas

The way they dealt with PvP XP exploiting was awesome. They rolled back all characters who cheated to PvP lvl1. All forums were full of crying exploiters

I can only hope Aventurine has the competence and the balls to deal with exploiting in DFO.

Do some background reading where both Tasos and the rest of the team explain where they come from - If their former pals got what they needed at launch, no wipe ever will be forthcoming (unless Aventurine manages to blow up their database...)  At my perspective, the team is much too enmeshed in the '1337 PK' scene to ever be impartial to the extent the game needed.

FFA PvP needs really harsh judges, flailing banstick left and right until people get the lesson. Sadly the said games are far too marginal, maybe exluding Eve, for the devteam start giving lessons on playing fair or playing elsewhere.

pretty sure i read somewhere they could only hold 10,000 or so per server.  That means that we will no doubt end up on new servers for those who are waiting to purchase and (when the NA launch rolls around) all NA players will end up restarting (guild city location wise) at that launch anyway.  Also if you want a city go out and raid it, it can be your goal while playing.

bottom line....it doesnt really matter if they get a head start

Originally posted by Death1942

pretty sure i read somewhere they could only hold 10,000 or so per server.  That means that we will no doubt end up on new servers for those who are waiting to purchase and (when the NA launch rolls around) all NA players will end up restarting (guild city location wise) at that launch anyway.  Also if you want a city go out and raid it, it can be your goal while playing.

 

bottom line....it doesnt really matter if they get a head start

but it does matter if they had possibly gotten enough gold to start 5+ more new cities if theirs gets taken.

This game is looking less appealing by the minute. Fix the bug and wipe.

Originally posted by Drazmic

Originally posted by Death1942

pretty sure i read somewhere they could only hold 10,000 or so per server.  That means that we will no doubt end up on new servers for those who are waiting to purchase and (when the NA launch rolls around) all NA players will end up restarting (guild city location wise) at that launch anyway.  Also if you want a city go out and raid it, it can be your goal while playing.

 

bottom line....it doesnt really matter if they get a head start

 

but it does matter if they had possibly gotten enough gold to start 5+ more new cities if theirs gets taken.

except there are limits on how many you can hold and there are restrictions on when you can raid and so forth.  Point is there will be multiple servers so  as long as you dont mind playing on a different server to those that pre-ordered you should be set.  Also when the move occurs cities wont travel with the characters.

Originally posted by Airspell

MAN UP AND TAKE IT ...LIKE A BISH !!! - the wounded cry of a carebear.

I love that sig every time I see it.

Me and my guild mate went exploring to Cairn to see if the citys were took already, there were afk macroers at these mobs called orc asassins and orc maulers, the mobs didn't attack back n just stood still. About a minute after the monster died it would respawn in the same place again.

All the macroers did is just set up a click and rest program, we managed to kill one of them, the sync issues were nearly impossible to kill any player. They respawned at the chaos stone near the orc spawn and just started trying to hit thin air over n over again then rest. Then for sure we knew they were afk.

Then one assigned member of there guild would go around looting the corpses who were not afk, but with the sync issues he was just impossible to kill. These mobs were dropping 125 gold APC 40 - 50 skill weps like great sword / 1 hand swrd / bows and nice shields.

The afkers just had leaf blades and were killig them quite fast tbh.

Then i thought how long have they been doing this etc, I was reading in race alliance there were also other exploitable monsters, which guilds were fighting over which drop plate and 50+ rank weps.

Wipe? Yes. (Do not ask me for the guild name)

you guys just became carebear

if everyone exploits, then exploit

Some things are better off left as vaporware.  

Originally posted by yuppy

you guys just became carebear

 

if everyone exploits, then exploit

 

Another masterpiece of gaming thought.

Glad I stayed clear.

Just an example of certain guilds (unamed due to the obvious accusations) exploiting mobs.

Orc Assasins would spawn in the same place almost instantaniously and never move or fight back. This is one mob camp example of how many guilds exploited ther way to a city.

I know of one guild that has 3 cities now.

They were sitting at the Minotaurs for several hours, naked with their leafblades out, killing mobs that would not attack back.

Of course, it's an "All Races" clan, so as soon as me and some friends tried to attack, our own race members killed us several times, went red, then killed their buddies of enemy races to get back to blue within minutes.

Then went back to killing mobs that didn't aggro and dropped 200gp a pop.

Sad...need a wipe and restart.  And fix the darn things.

well maybe the people who want wipe couls use current TOONS

to learn on then hop servers when they launch a 2nd server

Originally posted by Cathalo

It will never happen, i promise you.

Besides, i dont want to remake my character seeing as i already have nearly 30 lesser magic and 35 swimming and a couple of skills now in the 20's.
 

They could only wipe items/cities, as others have suggested

Wipe the servers a  3man guild claimed a city that is a F%$# exploit.

Originally posted by darthhobbit1

they have to reset, if they dont I can almost see atleast 5k population drop within the first month. nobody enjoyrs getting slaughtered by the giuild that found the f'ed up spawn.

This is not going to affect the population.  The things that were acquired yesterday could have easily been obtained legitimately.  Darkfall is about skill and numbers, not levels.  You can go directly to harder mobs in the game if you have 5-10 people and farm the crap out of them getting 50-100 gold per drop.  In hours you could be sitting on 10s of thousands of gold.

Darkfall is about numbers and coordination.

Its not really that big of a deal.