Originally posted by Taram

I'm not ready to crucify CCP over this. Bugs happen, players exploit them. I'm waiting for more information before I go all ballistic over it.

 

As an update it appears that at least 178 starbases were involved in EVE Online's multi-trillion ISK exploit. I would be interested to see how many corporations were knowlingly making a profit off of this exploit, but as they said, the investigation still continues.

Originally posted by qazyman

I've always felt most of CCP's mistakes have come from trying to push the envelope and do thing other games wouldn't do. Plus, it's meant to be a wide-open sandbox type of game. I think this presents it's own set of problems as it relates to policing peoples actions. This probably explains why CCP is able to grow and evolve, despite these incidents, when other games do not. Even though those games don't have regular incidents.

actually, a part of eve online still going (and even growing) is twofold -- 1 all the non devs that benefit from dev cheating; and 2 - the rest of the eve populace just accepting that dev cheating has always been around and will always be around.

Haven't seen any huge impact to the economy yet myself... has anyone else? And, no offense Damien... if they were so corrupt they never would have said anything about it in the first place. You don't play, you don't have access to the forums and yet you continually spout off your clueless posts about how horrible CCP is.

Frankly I've played most MMORPG's out there and, other than the T20 incident, CCP has been far superior to any other MMORPG company I've had to deal with in my time playing MMO's over the past 12 years. Hell, they're better than most single player game companies going back over 3 decades.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by qazyman

I've always felt most of CCP's mistakes have come from trying to push the envelope and do thing other games wouldn't do. Plus, it's meant to be a wide-open sandbox type of game. I think this presents it's own set of problems as it relates to policing peoples actions. This probably explains why CCP is able to grow and evolve, despite these incidents, when other games do not. Even though those games don't have regular incidents.

 

actually, a part of eve online still going (and even growing) is twofold -- 1 all the non devs that benefit from dev cheating; and 2 - the rest of the eve populace just accepting that dev cheating has always been around and will always be around.

Been playing EVE for the past year and a half, and i haven't felt the impact of any of the exploiting or cheating you claim exists.

Me thinks you speak without any first hand knowledge.

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Originally posted by Taram
Haven't seen any huge impact to the economy yet myself... has anyone else?

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I saw prices of t2 modules rising as a reaction. If you look at ferrogel, you see it's primarily used in ship construction, not for modules.

People were jumpy after the announcement and the market went mad since then. Prices increased by about 10% on average on t2 mods and especially drones.

Market speculation is always funny, bet some people burned a lot of isk there.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by qazyman

I've always felt most of CCP's mistakes have come from trying to push the envelope and do thing other games wouldn't do. Plus, it's meant to be a wide-open sandbox type of game. I think this presents it's own set of problems as it relates to policing peoples actions. This probably explains why CCP is able to grow and evolve, despite these incidents, when other games do not. Even though those games don't have regular incidents.

 

actually, a part of eve online still going (and even growing) is twofold -- 1 all the non devs that benefit from dev cheating; and 2 - the rest of the eve populace just accepting that dev cheating has always been around and will always be around.

Been playing EVE for the past year and a half, and i haven't felt the impact of any of the exploiting or cheating you claim exists.

Me thinks you speak without any first hand knowledge.

 

you not feeling the impact... what exactly does that have to do with cheating/exploits that happen? you could be someone dwelling 24/7 in jita constantly updating market bids... who cares if it impacts you or not? i stated that it exists and that people either benefit from it, or accept that it exists.  i'm sorry if you haven't ever benefited from it?

are you calling the dev team a bunch of liars and stating that no one at ccp has cheated in game?

methinks you should do a hell of a lot of research of what's gone in eve since retail and learn the error of your ways.  and try to not limit it to the CCP-public-relations-spin and take in the big picture and who is involved where...

i.e. K getting all his accounts banned for putting real person information on the eve-o forums AND for exposing cheating ccp finally admitted to (in partial) when they couldn't lie any longer... . BUT molley posting K's information AND urging everyone to call his work and get him fired from his job... that got molley a couple of day ban from the eve-o forum?  given, molley and cohorts were the beneficiaries of the cheating which had been exposed (including oooo titan pilot account sharing)... but really... a couple of days of not being able to post on the eve-o forums, for posting a man's personal information and urging all of his henchmen and even (potential) allies to call this man's work and get him fired?   ooo wait, that would be something outside of the game, so none of ccp's busines, right?  sort of like K getting information from corporation forums (which were not hosted by ccp in any fashion, nor owned by ccp in any fashion), and then exposing the cheating commited BY ccp personnel and molley and friends?

oh, so we can add totaly two faced hypocrisy to the list of admitted douche-bag-iness commited by ccp.  okie dokie.  yeah, all this ties into ONE incident where ccp cheating was exposed and the evidence kept coming and was so overwhelming that FINALLY ccp stopped denying it and admitted to SOME of it...

notice, i didn't state they immediately came clean... they lied until they couldn't lie anymore.

yeah, one tiny example there.

anyone that can't see the obvious bias and cheating is either not keeping up with anything other than their small part of eve, or is, well, not-super-smart?

and yeah, thanks for making me hate them again.  it's not like the gtc/inactive training crapola wasn't enough...

Um guys...did you notice that in the picture of his banmail, that after his ban message it says welcome to eve online? This guy signed up for EVE online right after he got banned, and with the same e-mail adress. I lol'd.

Originally posted by Rekhyt

Um guys...did you notice that in the picture of his banmail, that after his ban message it says welcome to eve online? This guy signed up for EVE online right after he got banned, and with the same e-mail adress. I lol'd.

Only his account is banned, he can easily start over on a new account.

Not to mention most folks who have multiple email accounts have mail readers that will pull from all of them. So it's entirely likely that he applied with another email address, it's just using the same reader to pull from it.