No wipe, just ban the exploiters (by credit card number and/or name on credit card), and reset the cities =P

Originally posted by Drasken

...and wile you where siting in town or killing Goblins trying to figure out what to Do they where all ready hiting up the tresure chest and mobs that Drop keys and other items that give Good Gold quick and fast and if any of you whining Numbnuts have not Figured out...

And if that was all that it was, I'd be fine with it. Let the organized guilds get their cities first while I noobishly try to figure out how to skin goblins.

But when the organized, legit guilds are working hard to fund the construction of their bank the exploiting guilds have the funds and gear to bank roll an unbalancing advance of construction, crafting and pvp.

That's my gripe.

they will lose fare more by Whiping the servers then they will by keeping the servers the way they are

you still Do not graspe the consept that the guilds that have there city stones all ready KNOW what they are doing and are Doing it well and hey if it so much a consern for you then get a few of your friends and by a few i mean 100+ friends and go take over a city for your self  you can do that you know

and i say 100+ becuse 1 player in this top guilds are like 3 of you for ever 1 you might kill 3 of yours will surly Die

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen man

Originally posted by vknid

No wipe, just ban the exploiters (by credit card number and/or name on credit card), and reset the cities =P

 

 

Adventurine probably doesn't have the manpower, nor know-how to do this effectively.  And since it is still in the first few days, a wipe isn't that extreme. 

but as stated befor in another Thred

by Faided

There are mobs in the game with fast respawn dropping gold at the rate of 100+ per kill. Get an organized guild from beta... 35k wouldnt be much of an issue it seems. You all seem to forget something here. This is not a level based game. They dont need to wait tll they have "end game" skills to attack harder mobs numbers work well.

how are you 100% sure this guilds are exploting ? as i said befor the guilds that have there clans stone all ready all ready know where to go what to kill where to be

and the ones that are not likly Dont

Originally posted by vknid

No wipe, just ban the exploiters (by credit card number and/or name on credit card), and reset the cities =P

Yeah, but I have a feeling that a lot of the people who took advantage of the situation are not inherently bad people. From what I hear the exploit was reported during beta but was overlooked and didn't make it in. I think fixing the issue and rolling back would be sufficient. It's not as if these guilds were duping, rolling speed hax or anything of that sort.

I don't think a wipe will lose many subscribers. Most people who have their cities/hamlets/clans were certainly at least somewhat prepared before launch and will be sticking around.

Exploits, if they were significant, is one thing. I feel the real problem is all the people who have been locked out.

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

My guild has a city (which only cost 10k to acutally get). We had over 25 people online and were the 6th one to get a city. We did not make money off of the sync problem and used the ingame chest mechanic (and beta info) to make the money.  PLEASE dont think all guilds did this. We worked hard for 8 hours to get our city and i will be VERY pissed if it gets taken away.

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

Not sure I understand, what advantage is this? The team gets free hits..? This is for XP or gold or..?

What's the gain from this tactic?

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.

Originally posted by Drasken

they will lose fare more by Whiping the servers then they will by keeping the servers the way they are

you still Do not graspe the consept that the guilds that have there city stones all ready KNOW what they are doing and are Doing it well and hey if it so much a consern for you then get a few of your friends and by a few i mean 100+ friends and go take over a city for your self  you can do that you know

and i say 100+ becuse 1 player in this top guilds are like 3 of you for ever 1 you might kill 3 of yours will surly Die

 

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen man

 

Grasp this, ive played beta for 6 months, i know it in and out and yet i dont exploit hardcore style like lod or some other guilds. Grasped yet?

Originally posted by RebquistDF

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.

Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......

Originally posted by Gondis

We worked hard for 8 hours to get our city and i will be VERY pissed if it gets taken away.

I do sympathize for you.

But do understand that there is equal frustration on both sides of the equation.
Consider that indeed, even though you worked hard for your gains others did not and, in fact, they likely have far more cash than you. Because of this they can leverage an unfair advantage against you and others.

Originally posted by polysyllabis

Originally posted by Gondis

We worked hard for 8 hours to get our city and i will be VERY pissed if it gets taken away.

I do sympathize for you.

But do understand that there is equal frustration on both sides of the equation.
Consider that indeed, even though you worked hard for your gains others did not and, in fact, they likely have far more cash than you. Because of this they can leverage an unfair advantage against you and others.

Right. Also consider those who couldn't get into the game, it's not their fault.

Originally posted by Drasken

they will lose fare more by Whiping the servers then they will by keeping the servers the way they are

you still Do not graspe the consept that the guilds that have there city stones all ready KNOW what they are doing and are Doing it well and hey if it so much a consern for you then get a few of your friends and by a few i mean 100+ friends and go take over a city for your self  you can do that you know

and i say 100+ becuse 1 player in this top guilds are like 3 of you for ever 1 you might kill 3 of yours will surly Die

 

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen man

They wouldn’t loose a single sub to a wipe this early, unless it’s some prissy little exploiter throwing a hissy fit. What’s more, if the guilds have their shit together and gained cities quickly without exploiting they can do it again just as easily after a wipe, a few more hours investment for a game most play for months is nothing.

As for your stupid asinine remark about kitchens, many couldn’t even get into the rigging kitchen through no fault of their own.

Originally posted by miagisan

Originally posted by RebquistDF

If you plan to play the game for years to come, who gives a shit about a few hours?

 

because your first month will make or break your game. Look at games like VG, AOC, EQ2, AO, and a few others.

EQ2 is one of the best MMORPGS around

VGs world is second to none.

AOC had great promise and amazing graphics and sound

(never played AO so cant comment)

 

all of these games share the same commonality, all had a horrific launch, all are great games, but either continued to lose subs, or are tried very hard to make a comeback and are still suffering from their launch.

Thats a totally different issue.This games aresuffering from poor reviews initally but here the OP wants a reset of server because he feels in a day people have unfair advantage that will cause long term consequences.
 

Now with all those games listed a new  player can still come in and have a good time after years of a game launch.

However,if what the OP says is anywhere true then it means DF will not even be new player friendly in a week talk less of years which if true would be worrying since it means it will never keep new blood which is vital to any mmorpg long term.

The game was so unplayble for me a wipe would mean nothing.

Originally posted by dave816am

Originally posted by RebquistDF

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.

 

Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......

wow really need to Define what Exploiting is  the game mecanic is set up that you cant Run Thogh ppl there is hit colistion what you explained above is not Exploting its like ever one your group locking you inbetween a Rock and all the players trying to kill you  you expt to Run right throgh them and away from the onslut nope i Dont think so  bad Ai i can see it should move to another player with in the ranks to attack but all they would have to Do at that point is move back the guy being attacked over and over  i see no Exploite here

so please Define exploiting to me   Dueping gold is an exploite  Runing at Supsonic speed is an Exploite being invisable is an exploite hiding with in a rock or tree is an exploite    but not blocking the path of a mob from hiting one person well others are beating on the mob

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

Not sure I understand, what advantage is this? The team gets free hits..? This is for XP or gold or..?

What's the gain from this tactic?

Its exploiting the broken ai, mob maintains focus on the first person to attack and ignores everyone else hitting them. The ai code gets stuck in an endless loop trying to get to the original aggressor. Another similar tactic is corpse tanking, when a mob kills a player the ai gets stuck standing at the corpse, so one player takes agro from a group dies and his friends kill the group with impunity then rez the dead player.

Originally posted by Drasken

Originally posted by dave816am

Originally posted by RebquistDF

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.

 

Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......

wow really need to Define what Exploiting is  the game mecanic is set up that you cant Run Thogh ppl there is hit colistion what you explained above is not Exploting its like ever one your group locking you inbetween a Rock and all the players trying to kill you  you expt to Run right throgh them and away from the onslut nope i Dont think so  bad Ai i can see it should move to another player with in the ranks to attack but all they would have to Do at that point is move back the guy being attacked over and over  i see no Exploite here

 

so please Define exploiting to me   Dueping gold is an exploite  Runing at Supsonic speed is an Exploite being invisable is an exploite hiding with in a rock or tree is an exploite    but not blocking the path of a mob from hiting one person well others are beating on the mob

Please define dictionary or at least use a spell checker. jesus

Originally posted by Hexcaliber

Originally posted by Die_Scream

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

Not sure I understand, what advantage is this? The team gets free hits..? This is for XP or gold or..?

What's the gain from this tactic?

Its exploiting the broken ai, mob maintains focus on the first person to attack and ignores everyone else hitting them. The ai code gets stuck in an endless loop trying to get to the original aggressor. Another similar tactic is corpse tanking, when a mob kills a player the ai gets stuck standing at the corpse, so one player takes agro from a group dies and his friends kill the group with impunity then rez the dead player.

 

Ah I see, thank you.

Originally posted by Hexcaliber

Originally posted by Drasken

they will lose fare more by Whiping the servers then they will by keeping the servers the way they are

you still Do not graspe the consept that the guilds that have there city stones all ready KNOW what they are doing and are Doing it well and hey if it so much a consern for you then get a few of your friends and by a few i mean 100+ friends and go take over a city for your self  you can do that you know

and i say 100+ becuse 1 player in this top guilds are like 3 of you for ever 1 you might kill 3 of yours will surly Die

 

if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen man

They wouldn’t loose a single sub to a wipe this early, unless it’s some prissy little exploiter throwing a hissy fit. What’s more, if the guilds have their shit together and gained cities quickly without exploiting they can do it again just as easily after a wipe, a few more hours investment for a game most play for months is nothing.

As for your stupid asinine remark about kitchens, many couldn’t even get into the rigging kitchen through no fault of their own.

i played just fine there was a good 8 hours of game play today  with the slite Synic issue  i got quite a bit Done moved away from most Noob start areas to where i know i can kill mobs with not so much as a peep from any one that was not in beta  with maybe the ocastonal ohh look what i found explorer in witch would probly not be to hard to kill

so as fare as my kitchen comment it still stands  and its one opion after another i say they will lose quite a bit from a whipe you say they wont  i guse we shell never know cuse they wont whipe there is no reasion to

Originally posted by Drasken

Originally posted by dave816am

Originally posted by RebquistDF

Originally posted by revenoff

here's one exploit i saw the guild TheMercs doing

1 guy would get hurt.   now that means he gets the aggro.   he takes aggro, lures the mob to 4-5 teammates

the teammates block the path of the mob.   mob can't get to the player that is aggro'd, all other teammates get free hits on the mob

i'm not 100%  clear on the details, but this exploit does exist

 

I guess it depends on what the definition of an exploit is. I wouldn't called that an exploitation, I'd call that bad AI.

 

Yes the bad programming of the AI makes it open to exploiting the AI.......

wow really need to Define what Exploiting is  the game mecanic is set up that you cant Run Thogh ppl there is hit colistion what you explained above is not Exploting its like ever one your group locking you inbetween a Rock and all the players trying to kill you  you expt to Run right throgh them and away from the onslut nope i Dont think so  bad Ai i can see it should move to another player with in the ranks to attack but all they would have to Do at that point is move back the guy being attacked over and over  i see no Exploite here

 

so please Define exploiting to me   Dueping gold is an exploite  Runing at Supsonic speed is an Exploite being invisable is an exploite hiding with in a rock or tree is an exploite    but not blocking the path of a mob from hiting one person well others are beating on the mob

I would call this an exploit.  You are exploiting a problem with the AI to your benefit and gaining something in return.  That should be considered an exploit in anyones definition.  If the AI is supposed to act in this fashion, then that's just bad programming, but still exploitation.

What you do is post detailed descriptions of the exploits on main forums. That way everyone will know about it and play on equal terms. AND as an added bonus the exploit will most likely jump up a couple of steps in priority for the devs :)