I'm sorry, but supporting someone (or company, in this case) for THEIR faults, in hopes that things will improve, is kind of unlogical.  It took them 8 years of development.. They said their game was better then other mmos at launch, and they were obviously just trying to hype their game.  Who's to say they will even do a great job at improving the game?  Plus it just sets the standard for what companies think consumers will buy into.  An indy company will say, "Hey! We don't have to work our asses off to make a mmorpg.. We can release it full of bugs, screw the billing proccess, and not worry about fan backlash! They'll feel "sorry" for us and give us their money, anyway!".

As fans of this genre, we should want companies to IMPROVE the genre.  EVE had a better launch, and CCP is an indy company.  Daoc had a better launch, mythic wasn't a large company at the time.  City of heroes had a better release then DF, and cryptic wasn't a huge company.  Aventurine nutured their "hardcore" fanbase, and cashed in, releasing their game without stress testing, testing of the release client, etc, because they knew people would still buy it.  I don't care how "indie" a company is.. How much potential a game has.. I won't give my money to a company that displays unethical practices.  Thinking that throwing money at them will fix their problems is niave.

Originally posted by Evasia

You just made an account to say this not even dare to place under your main account haha.

And you are not a fanboi hmm the topic you wrote is clearly showing a fan here but np goahead:)

Hate is a big word many here dont hate they are just upset and wanne vent some frustration dont be so DRAMAQUEEN OP.

Probably Darkstar or that fat dwerf.

Originally posted by Lajnus91

First of all, I am neither a fanboy, hater or a troll, I'm just someone who wants to tell you what I think.

I don't even know where to start, I've been reading this forum all day now, and I'm amazed on everything that's going on here.  There is a few things I would like to talk about, I'll start with the "Aventurine, your release failed, you suck!"

There is some truth in this, but it's far from everything. Aventurine is a small company and this is their first release, sure they have failed on several notes, for example customer - company communication, but you have to give them some cred. They have been working really hard on trying to get this show going and it's noticible.
Sure, it's probably not the best solution to shut down the official forum and stuff, but I am sure that they had a good  reason. (I would probably guess on the big trafic they had, must have slowed their servers down or causing some sort of problem).  This is probably not the best release ever made, but give them time, I'm sure that everything will work out,

Now to the "I fixed pre order but I don't have it and they say it's my fault!"

Here is something I don't get, when you people who signed up for the game (pre order) and didn't get it, you make is sound like they do it on purpose! There could be two things that went wrong, you gave the wrong information about your CC or lag screwed everything up when you tried to sign up for it.
The CC thing I don't have to talk about, if you did it wrong it's your fault no question about it, don't make it sound like they don't want to accept your money and give you the game.
Then there is the lag fest when pre orders were up. If something went wrong here, I think it's Aventurines fault, kinda. They could have got more/better severs so they could handle it, but on the short notice (they found out about this problem when the bete testers first got the link and it got leaked) it's kinda hard so I at the same time don't think they could have done it better.

I would now like to talk about another thing, "LOL you are paying for a beta!"

Alot of haters have been "lol'ing" at people who got pre order, saying that they are paying for a beta.
I think this is quite funny beacuse I wouldn't mind paying for it (I didn't get any pre order) beacuse it supports Aventurine. The only way DF will survive is if they get enough funds to keep hosting it, and if everyone goes "HA I'm not buying the game now I will wait one month and see what happens" the game won't last one month.
This company needs your support, without your cash they won't be able to keep DF up. So, I wouldn't mind paying for one month if I could, even though the game have alot of bugs etc. Beacuse the longer it can keep alive the better it will be! Just think about it, if we, the customers, support Aventurine during these hard times, there might (I hope it will) be several working servers up soon! With more servers up they can handle more players, if they get more players they get more money, if they get more money they can hire more people and make the game better.
I don't know how your personal economy is, but if it's so bad that you can't buy a game you shouldn't buy games, but if you got enough money, why wait one month or more? Why not buy it and contribute with helping it grow?

I'm not sure if I covered everything here, or if I'm even making any sense, getting a bit tired so will probably stop writing now. I am sure that many of you will call me a "fan boy" beacuse of this, but I don't see myself as one. I'm just something who think Darkfall has a big potential if you all just give it some time. I don't think it's fair to judge the game on this event, the game looks good and I'm sure that it will become a real masterpiece if we only let let them have time to fix all the small problems. Don't be all like "OMG they said we could play two days ago but we still can't play nooooo it's the end of everything ", try to see it positive. If we all just keep supporting Aventurine, they will be able to fix everything, I am sure of it. That's all.. I think.

Go ahead and flame me if you want to, I would love to hear what everyone has to say about this.

 

Adventurine would get peoples support if they got the product they paid for, they have not. So people are mad and rightfully so.  They have had 7 to 8 years for the launch day they should have been ready, they were not and the seem to blaming the customer who purchaed the game for all the problems.
 

So no they do not deserve anyones support, they should have gotten a publishing partner who knew what the hell they were doing.  I guess we could all just fork out are banking info to them and let them take as much money as they need to "fix" there game.

Oh and Tasos since we all know this is you posting, stop trolling these damn forums and go to bed, you need to get up early to make more excuses.

Support and trust are earned, not given. Aventurine has done nothing to deserve blind support. They knew what they were getting into when they decided to make an MMO, they knew what to expect when they pretty much talked smack about other MMO launches and they certainly knew what flak their empty promises and BS would bring.

They claimed they wanted to make a hardcore game for hardcore gamers because they are hardcore gamers themselves.

If thats the case I am sure they can handle a little hardcore criticism.

at least you didnt get in preorder

and then get an email this morning accepting your payment of 42 dollars

then trying to log into the game and having it say account is inactive.. AFTER they took your full purchase.

A company is only as good as the product it produces, if the product is hampered in some way or is difficult to obtain customers begin to look toward other companies who produce a similar product.

I could probably design and create a extremely comfortable footstool, but if i have problems with billing, more customers than actual product, and more than a few explanations that my customers see as excuses then my company will lose support and former customers will warn potiental consumers away from my business.

This is how it works.

I have no problems supporting an indie company, which i believe is where you were going with your post OP, but as i've said in other posts the problems this game is currently having isn't good especially in a saturated market the online gaming world is, they needed their A-game on this from the word 'go' and it wasn't there....they may recover, they may not but my one voice won't make much of a difference, ask anybody who supported D&L from the start or the one dragged out of Earth and Beyond or Tabula Rasa.

Just because a company is small doesn't mean they're immune to mistakes nor should they not be held accountable for those mistakes.

Originally posted by Demarrer

at least you didnt get in preorder

and then get an email this morning accepting your payment of 42 dollars

then trying to log into the game and having it say account is inactive.. AFTER they took your full purchase.

Ouch, that hurts a little more than me getting half charged and not let in.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

So if you go to a resturant and they screw up everyones food, do you just say hey guys they need our support? Or you get a lemon of a car? Or lets say even if the cable company cuts you internet off by mistake but cant get it working for 2 weeks? They deserve what they have given the general population so far which is nothing.  They have conducted themselves in a unprofessional and just plain sad way. There forums cant handle a load, their billing cant handle a load, the game servers which supposedly can hold 10k at the same time cannot even handle a load. Why exactly again do they deserve anything? Real world we are working in here. I know that some people that play these to much have a hard time in the real world. But you produce nothing, you get nothing its sadly that way.

Wow! Parrot Just gave me a great Idea!

Im gonna start a TV show starring some angry british guy like Gordon Ramsey from Hells Kitchen. He has this other show where he goes into failed or failing restaurants and screams and cusses them out and helps get them to fix their menus, and learn how to opperate and run a successful business. Its called Kitchen Nightmares or something.

So, lets have a TV show with the angry british guy go into MMO companies screaming and cussing at them after the disaterous launches and help get the to run correctly.

reality TV for gamers! lol

Originally posted by oddjobs74

Originally posted by parrotpholk

So if you go to a resturant and they screw up everyones food, do you just say hey guys they need our support? Or you get a lemon of a car? Or lets say even if the cable company cuts you internet off by mistake but cant get it working for 2 weeks? They deserve what they have given the general population so far which is nothing.  They have conducted themselves in a unprofessional and just plain sad way. There forums cant handle a load, their billing cant handle a load, the game servers which supposedly can hold 10k at the same time cannot even handle a load. Why exactly again do they deserve anything? Real world we are working in here. I know that some people that play these to much have a hard time in the real world. But you produce nothing, you get nothing its sadly that way.

 

Wow! Parrot Just gave me a great Idea!

Im gonna start a TV show starring some angry british guy like Gordon Ramsey from Hells Kitchen. He has this other show where he goes into failed or failing restaurants and screams and cusses them out and helps get them to fix their menus, and learn how to opperate and run a successful business. Its called Kitchen Nightmares or something.

So, lets have a TV show with the angry british guy go into MMO companies screaming and cussing at them after the disaterous launches and help get the to run correctly.

reality TV for gamers! lol

Sadly I would watch that

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Originally posted by strongaxe

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Originally posted by gurthgor

They pay us to support them ? no. They failed and there is no reason to support. They moved release date for a month and its not ready yet for everybody at all. I bought AoC and i couldnt play it , with DFO ppl cant even buy it, at least not everybody. You cant buy it at stores, cant buy it online, cant access forums, and they dont say when will be the REAL release date for everybody. I am almost sure that i wont be able to play this weekend and probably not the next one either, and by then probably i wont even try DFO.

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We all knew MONTHS in advance that not everyone would get to play at release.  We have known they would have a staggered release for a long time. It would not be possible for them to launch for everyone at the same time, they just cant afford it. Saying you wont ever play DF just because you couldnt get in at release is laughable, but more power to ya.

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Its amazing how usually fanboi and stupidity come together :) If there are too many like this then game definitely its not worth being played.

That is false, maybe you even know it. They just said it was going to be staged release JUST in case they cant handle it, it was supposed that 22nd thousands of ppl would get a free trial so that servers wouldnt stress, we are at 27th and nothing yet. For me that is a fail, they knew they would have thousands and thousands of ppl so they should have be ready. Anyway any game can say JUST IN CASE everything goes bad release date will be later, saying that wont excuse your failure.

The thing I love about all the outpouring of "Let AV have a chance", and "They are just a small company", is how silly it sounds. The money it costs is the same, regardless if they are blizz or turbine or SOE. If they want to have 1/2 functioning crap on launch, cool. Make it free to play, if you charge a fee, you have a responsibliity. a couple free days off at the end of the free month doesn't cut it for the people who took time off work to play it. If they were a small PR firm who couldn't meet a deadline, I'm pretty sure there would n't be any 2nd chances.

Recap, they are a company. They made agreements with their customers to deliver the product they sold. They failed to do so. If people want to rant and rave, thats their choice. DOn't listen, if it makes them feel better about the situation and doesn't hurt you, stay out of it. I would be pissed too if I was rooked in this way.

If all the people who feel that AV failed to meet its obligations quit the game and it thunders, then AV will get no sympathy from me.

People generally hate liers...

I wonder what Jon Wood and all the moderaters/staff in MMORPG thinks about darkfall's situation...

 So glad I didnt pre-order this like so many other games I regret (Im looking at you Warhammer!)

Originally posted by csthao

I wonder what Jon Wood and all the moderaters/staff in MMORPG thinks about darkfall's situation...

Trust me....They think about banning everyone who says something that is not in great praise of Tasos and darkfall.

Just because a dev company is a small company doesn't mean they have to put out a sh!tty product and do everything inferior to a big company.

Why should you support a game if it sucks just b/c the company is small, instead go give money to a charity or some worthy cause.

However, the game isn't horrible, and after several super patches (like the ones that happened leading to launch in beta) the game will be great (i think this will take 2 months or more). Most won't be able to play this game until the end of the month probably and don't be too eager to play this game the 1st month anyway, it will be riddled with bugs and lag without a doubt

First of all, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? This is my first account on mmorpg.com, I'm not Tasos or anyone else, I'm just some random dude who found out about mmorpg yesterday.

Well some of you people think it's not fair to give them a second chance, give them a chance to improve their game and everything else that needs improving. I think we should give them a second chance, since I really want to play this game I am going to give them a second chance (buy the game when it's possible). If you don't want to you don't have to, but if you are even slightly interested in playing this game I think you also should.
And "we pay but we can't play", they gave you compensation for the days you can't play, what more do you ask? Is it really that important that you play right away?

 Oke let me get this straight:

1. Tasos has been feeding lies and spitting garbage for years. Check!

2. Fanbois have been trolling other game forums for years, about how their game sucks and Darkfall is going to be the best game evah and wtfpwn their game. Check!

3. They have never bothered to do a real Beta test nor any Stress test. Check!

4. They are now blaming their paying customers, while all the screw ups are on their end. Check!

And now the OP is telling us to support them and feel sorry for them? 

Yeah right! 

And then to think that people thought companies like Funcom or GOA were bad. haha.

No, Aventurine needs a swift kick in the ass for this mess. The game itself deserves a chance, but not the fucktards that caused all of this drama. AV should have had a longer beta, they should have tested the account management system, they should have opened pre-orders much earlier . . . basically everything they did in the last three months has been complete and utter shit.

And what really pisses me off is that they're squandering a huge fanbase that was willing to put up with their horrible communication for years. The people that followed this game from the beginning must have had the patience of saints and now they're rewarded with a total information blackout.

Don't try and defend them. Defend the game if you want, but I encourage everyone who has followed this game at all to let AV know exactly how pissed you are.

Originally posted by Lajnus91

First of all, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? This is my first account on mmorpg.com, I'm not Tasos or anyone else, I'm just some random dude who found out about mmorpg yesterday.

Well some of you people think it's not fair to give them a second chance, give them a chance to improve their game and everything else that needs improving. I think we should give them a second chance, since I really want to play this game I am going to give them a second chance (buy the game when it's possible). If you don't want to you don't have to, but if you are even slightly interested in playing this game I think you also should.
And "we pay but we can't play", they gave you compensation for the days you can't play, what more do you ask? Is it really that important that you play right away?

hahahahahaha.

Noob.