Originally posted by Drednaught

I have noticed a few threads where a person asked about "what char to play",etc get totally hijacked by the dreaded flame wars.

Hi please no one asked so could you post this "few threads" links so i can see it on mine own green eyes?

Thanks

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by Drednaught

There is so much bad blood on here at the moment I think they should make an extra forum area like they have on the SWG forums.

Call em Gaute and Craig or Launch and Re-Launch,at least that way any new people coming here to find out about the game as it is "NOW" would not get swamped by the Launch crew.

I have noticed a few threads where a person asked about "what char to play",etc get totally hijacked by the dreaded flame wars.It isnt fair on any new people coming here to learn about the game.

So how bout it MMORPG?

 

Sorry about quoting the full original post but there is a lot of opinions already and I wanted to relate to the OP's initial post in this thread.

• Yes there are people thrashing anything that Funcom does to improve AoC.
• Yes there are people trying to make any mistake from Funcom look like a gift from heaven.

None of them are (imo and probably in most peoples opinion) "right" but both sides can add viewpoints and occasional relevant information for the good of most who trying to form a balanced opinion.

Why on earth would you fear that? Or do you really think most visitors here are so gullible that their head would spin and they would try/not try AoC because they saw too much of one side? - Then how would they know which "fraction" to start with...

Please... You seem like an intelligent person (after having a sleeper account with what 8 posts? up until a month ago, when you suddenly went from juvenile troll-antitroll-antiantitroll, fingerpointing kiddiespeak to fairly normal posts) and now this?

I choose to think that if AoC tries to appeal to a mature audience, their target group ARE capable of forming a mature informed opinion.

 

My fear is that people with a view stuck in 2008 and an axe to grind against Funcom will deflect people from trying what is NOW a great game.

They are blinkered in their rage against Funcom and see it as their mission to bring down the company.They are not interested if the game has improved,etc because it would interefere with their mission.

If you were a new player you probably wont be aware of the game's history and it's launch.I have no problem with people being informed of the PAST problems it had,but I DO have a problem with people just posting the standard "Failcom,game sux" posts when the game clearly does not suck.

If the trolls want to start posting educated,balanced,informative posts then be my guest,but if you look at the troll posts on this thread you will see that they are clearly unable to remove the Failcom blinkers.Just gives more evidence why the forum should be split.

With regard to the rest of your post,yes I am intelligent,it wasnt a very busy account because I was a reader not a poster for many years,also preferred to play the games rather than discuss em

The reason for my many personas was that I was trying to find common ground to communicate with the trolls,after much experimentation I realised that this is impossible because they only see their point of view.Also if a post is longer than 2 sentences they ignore it.

With regard to my posting skills being awakened,I really enjoy this game and didnt like seeing the flak it was taking from the trolls because in my opinion it is undeserved given the current state of the game.Plus all the financial stuff bugged the crap outta me,it's a game forum not the Financial Times lol.

Anyways now you know why I posted

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

 

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Originally posted by Drednaught

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Originally posted by Hamrtime2

 

You guys need to CRY MORE!
Just because youre all butthurt over a company thats about to go bankrupt and a game thats about to be shut down because it isnt any good is no reason to take it out on the people who inform any curious gamer who might wonder by what he will be getting himself into.
Your argument about not playing in months is invalid and just shows ignorance. As long as Funcom is running AoC, anyone who has played the game or is playing the game can and has the right to comment any way they see fit as long as it doesnt break the rules of this website. As long as Funcom controls AoC, I will continue to remind visitors of this sight what kind of business they run.
As we can see their business practices have now dug their grave and now will push them into the hole in just months. The fat lady is singing in the Funcom opera and the curtain is about to fall. Good ridance.

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How will you inform the curious player what they are getting themselves into? You dont play anymore so how could you give a valid and relevant account of the current state of the game? Exactly you cannot,because you are ignorant to the improvements made,the bugs fixed,etc because you still have your 2008 impression of the game embedded in your skull.
Are you a manager in Funcom? No? then you cannot possibly know what kind of business they run.In case you hadnt noticed there is a global recession going on and lots of businesses are struggling with loss,etc.
"Inform" means impart knowledge of some facts, state or affairs,acquaint with.You have no facts to offer any curious gamers,only your 2008 version of a game you once played.That game doesnt exist anymore hence the request for a split forum.
Can we stop with the melodramatic mass hysteria posts please,they might have been relevant at AoC launch but they certainly are not now.
Stop living in the past and find a new game to play/hate/whatever.
 

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@openedge1 and you.

You guys need to go watch a movie and get the AoC failboat out of your heads. I suggest a mellow drama like Steel Magnolias. Just remember if you watch Titanic the ending might remind you of Funcom. LOL

Ahh no factual argument to amaze us with so you resort to cheap shots.

No worries everyone can see you for what you are now,plain as day.

Oh and its melodrama,try www.dictionary.com for your next post.I even spelt it properly for you in my original post or cant you read?

Man oh man. Why would you want to stifle the opinion of someone who has played the game at any point? Where is the line drawn?

If When the expansion gets released should the forums split off again? I mean, there will be opinions from people who played before the expansion that needs to get swept off into another forum right? Those players wouldn't know anything about the expansion first hand so they shouldn't be able to tell any potential customer what they thought of their experience, right?

Do you see where this is going? If you're a subscriber you have the official forum to praise the game and help new players as much as you want. You don't think a potential customer will peruse those forums? Mmorpg.com's forums are a discussion of the game, and let's face it - the companies behind them, in a good or bad light. Silence me with good points and discussion, not heavy handed tactics like what you are proposing. This website is better than that.

To split the forums as the OP suggests implies that Funcom has changed, (they may have), or the game is radically different (in some ways it is, in some ways its exactly the same), or that somehow this developer should be forgiven for their past transgressions. (does society truely forgive a criminal act, no.)

I never agreed with the SWG split, but there was such vitrol and hatred over the NGE that I think they tried to find a compromise, and I don't think the experiment worked out that well.

I say leave them as they are, and let the person seeking knowledge make up their own minds.

Because truthfully, if they can't do that, do you really want them in your game?

Originally posted by Elsabolts

Which one is going to have the Drunken Brawling and Mounted combat with 500 pvpers.

And which one will have the NPC "hive" cities that grow in player city zones... you know, the game mechanic that was featured in every single presentation and video for two years before the game released?   Well, at least we know neither forum will need a section for discussing itemization, since it doesn't exist in AOC .

Originally posted by Naranar

Originally posted by Drednaught

I have noticed a few threads where a person asked about "what char to play",etc get totally hijacked by the dreaded flame wars.

 

Hi please no one asked so could you post this "few threads" links so i can see it on mine own green eyes?

 

Thanks

Here is one to help you along.

"Depends...... Should you try it now?I would say no.Should you try it when there is free trial? Definitely yes.

Really i think this game can be really fine when it is given time though yet i hear every patch brings some bugs though i didnt played game for a month.

But free trial isn't really necessary i think when there is Ymirs pass released and it had proven that most of quests are functional it will be great time to return because you will miss one of the places where quests are missing it's place.

And there is problem with Funcom in debt though Funcom can still be saved no matter what hater says but if funcom keeps making buggy patches like people says i doubt it. But still if Funcom gone under some company could buy the game and that is not end of the Age of Conan is it?.Hope that helped."

Your telling a person not to try the game based on what people told you about patches and how Funcom is in debt and keep making buggy patches.You post nothing about actual gameplay,the different classes available,PvP vs PvE servers,the amazing music,how certain things may not be to their taste.

How would anyone make an informed decision based on what you posted there?

This is what I am trying to get away from on these forums,by all means post that the game had a terrible launch,but at least balance that out by posting the current state of the game as well.This is the Age of Conan forum not the Funcom forum.People want to know about the game not the company.

Originally posted by octa

Man oh man. Why would you want to stifle the opinion of someone who has played the game at any point? Where is the line drawn?

If When the expansion gets released should the forums split off again? I mean, there will be opinions from people who played before the expansion that needs to get swept off into another forum right? Those players wouldn't know anything about the expansion first hand so they shouldn't be able to tell any potential customer what they thought of their experience, right?

Do you see where this is going? If you're a subscriber you have the official forum to praise the game and help new players as much as you want. You don't think a potential customer will peruse those forums? Mmorpg.com's forums are a discussion of the game, and let's face it - the companies behind them, in a good or bad light. Silence me with good points and discussion, not heavy handed tactics like what you are proposing. This website is better than that.

Heavy handed? the SWG forum has been split so it set a precedent in doing so.Appears the website is heavy handed then? no?

edited for spelling mistake

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

You guys need to CRY MORE!

Just because youre all butthurt over a company thats about to go bankrupt and a game thats about to be shut down because it isnt any good is no reason to take it out on the people who inform any curious gamer who might wonder by what he will be getting himself into.

Your argument about not playing in months is invalid and just shows ignorance. As long as Funcom is running AoC, anyone who has played the game or is playing the game can and has the right to comment any way they see fit as long as it doesnt break the rules of this website. As long as Funcom controls AoC, I will continue to remind visitors of this sight what kind of business they run.

As we can see their business practices have now dug their grave and now will push them into the hole in just months. The fat lady is singing in the Funcom opera and the curtain is about to fall. Good ridance.

I still wait for that link with the debt so you can prove funcom is about to go bankrupt. :)

Originally posted by Drednaught

Originally posted by Halandir

Originally posted by Drednaught

There is so much bad blood on here at the moment I think they should make an extra forum area like they have on the SWG forums.

Call em Gaute and Craig or Launch and Re-Launch,at least that way any new people coming here to find out about the game as it is "NOW" would not get swamped by the Launch crew.

I have noticed a few threads where a person asked about "what char to play",etc get totally hijacked by the dreaded flame wars.It isnt fair on any new people coming here to learn about the game.

So how bout it MMORPG?

 

Sorry about quoting the full original post but there is a lot of opinions already and I wanted to relate to the OP's initial post in this thread.

• Yes there are people thrashing anything that Funcom does to improve AoC.
• Yes there are people trying to make any mistake from Funcom look like a gift from heaven.

None of them are (imo and probably in most peoples opinion) "right" but both sides can add viewpoints and occasional relevant information for the good of most who trying to form a balanced opinion.

Why on earth would you fear that? Or do you really think most visitors here are so gullible that their head would spin and they would try/not try AoC because they saw too much of one side? - Then how would they know which "fraction" to start with...

Please... You seem like an intelligent person (after having a sleeper account with what 8 posts? up until a month ago, when you suddenly went from juvenile troll-antitroll-antiantitroll, fingerpointing kiddiespeak to fairly normal posts) and now this?

I choose to think that if AoC tries to appeal to a mature audience, their target group ARE capable of forming a mature informed opinion.

 

My fear is that people with a view stuck in 2008 and an axe to grind against Funcom will deflect people from trying what is NOW a great game.

They are blinkered in their rage against Funcom and see it as their mission to bring down the company.They are not interested if the game has improved,etc because it would interefere with their mission.

If you were a new player you probably wont be aware of the game's history and it's launch.I have no problem with people being informed of the PAST problems it had,but I DO have a problem with people just posting the standard "Failcom,game sux" posts when the game clearly does not suck.

If the trolls want to start posting educated,balanced,informative posts then be my guest,but if you look at the troll posts on this thread you will see that they are clearly unable to remove the Failcom blinkers.Just gives more evidence why the forum should be split.

With regard to the rest of your post,yes I am intelligent,it wasnt a very busy account because I was a reader not a poster for many years,also preferred to play the games rather than discuss em

The reason for my many personas was that I was trying to find common ground to communicate with the trolls,after much experimentation I realised that this is impossible because they only see their point of view.Also if a post is longer than 2 sentences they ignore it.

With regard to my posting skills being awakened,I really enjoy this game and didnt like seeing the flak it was taking from the trolls because in my opinion it is undeserved given the current state of the game.Plus all the financial stuff bugged the crap outta me,it's a game forum not the Financial Times lol.

Anyways now you know why I posted

1. Once an unhappy custimor = always an unhappy custimor

2.  10 unhappy custimors do 10 times more dmg than 10000 happy custimors can repair.  This goes for any buisness.  Not just online gaming.

3.  The real question is - Why are there some unhappy custimors of AOC ?  Had it nothing to do with the treatment from Funcom ? 

4.  Financial status of a company running a MMO game is very important factor.  MMO games are long term comitment and financial status will without a doubt affect the future development and progress of the game.  For example - Most of us know by now that AOC - game that has now officially made a loss over 20 million USD will not be supported in the same manner as WOW or LOTRO.   20 million USD loss is a heavy burden to carry and just like Funcom stated in their own presentation.  The future of AOC subs is very uncertain.  Thats not my words - thats Funcom talking.  Be that pretty well hidden in the presentation.

Originally posted by Drednaught

How would anyone make an informed decision based on what you posted there?

 

Hmm this is where you are (imo) wrong (and right) at the same time.

Not a single person would be able to make an informed decision on anything posted by the poster you referred to, posted by you or posted by me ALONE - most mature people WOULD like to see viewpoints from BOTH sides before they make THEIR "informed" decision.

Oh and just for arguments sake: How would you prevent socalled "haters" from posting in the "I love AoC" forum or for that matter, the "fans" from posting in the "AoC is dead" forum?

For really onesided/censored communication you would have to rely on either an official forum or a totalitarian society... After seeing how the official AoC forums turned out NEITHER of those options seems appealing to me!

Originally posted by octa

Man oh man. Why would you want to stifle the opinion of someone who has played the game at any point? Where is the line drawn?

If When the expansion gets released should the forums split off again? I mean, there will be opinions from people who played before the expansion that needs to get swept off into another forum right? Those players wouldn't know anything about the expansion first hand so they shouldn't be able to tell any potential customer what they thought of their experience, right?

Do you see where this is going? If you're a subscriber you have the official forum to praise the game and help new players as much as you want. You don't think a potential customer will peruse those forums? Mmorpg.com's forums are a discussion of the game, and let's face it - the companies behind them, in a good or bad light. Silence me with good points and discussion, not heavy handed tactics like what you are proposing. This website is better than that.

I think both sides are important to discuss, it's the only way to go. A constuctive discussion is always good as it does highlight lots of imprtant aspects of the game. Sadly some people on these foums are unfamiliar with how to actually debate in a constructive way. You are not one of them tho, most of the posts I have seen from you have been well formulated and gives room for a good and fun discussion. :)

Any MMO isn't jsut positive, all MMO's have their good and bad points,and these forums are a good place to discuss them :)

Well I think you not really understand how i meant it well then let me explain....

 "yet i hear every patch brings some bugs"

How you can  possibly know someone have any problem after patch or just with the game itself? Well you can say yourself he just read someone hater post and heard he had problems so he just spreads lies like a plague!

That's one of the many ways or he is on a guild ventrilo and listens to his guildies about problems? Are they just putting things from their arse just to make air hot?Well dont be a paranoid....And how says i cant stop playing for a month a visit my guild time to time  on ventrilo how things are going?

 Now on other thing...

And there is problem with Funcom in debt though Funcom can still be saved no matter what hater says.

That's another thing back in these times it was great time of doubts and if Craig would be just new Gaute i'm telling you i'm doubting the Age of conan would be running now and growing slowly... Now to another thing

You post nothing about actual gameplay,the different classes available,PvP vs PvE servers,the amazing music

Now to explain this maybe you wont agree that's your choice but for me the most important on the game are negatives if i hear every negative single thing about game i found it more better to choose than positives for example a shooter can have really good graphic.... but if gameplay is sucks do graphic matters to me?Not for me.

Especially when new GD was getting put into test and i'm telling you BACK THEN there was really few positives about game... Now on other thing

 People want to know about the game not the company.
 

Well you know when i read this i laughed a bit..... It's a bit funny considering that all that in MMORPG matters is game... well if you say this you dont play MMORPG much do you? Not really much to say about this.

I noticed you posted on the Eve forums asking for advice about the game,you got some nice sensible replies which are very helpful. That's true

Now imagine if you posted the same thing here and you yourself answered,dont think the post would be very helpful would it. That's not fair--if someone is asking for help with in-game issues I never interfere--go ahead and check

There is a difference between balanced view and blind hatred,Eve has bugs and yet people chose to help you not post "game sux,devs suck,etc" posts.apples and oranges

So maybe you wanna see it in that respect for a change.Instead of hijacking every thread here posting about a game you no longer play,why not play Eve and enjoy yourself. I was on topic from the get go-I didn't hijack anything, I was pointing out that when we are talking about different forums regarding now and then--that isn't going to help you. I was pointing out simply why.

Because you never know how things will turn out,and maybe you will find yourself the Eve fanboi against the haters.Would be a whole lot more fun in this world if we all just got along. It depends-but CCP does deliver on all accounts, and the game is breaking population records. But as you know--the game is not for everyone.

Ps I played Eve for 12months,enjoyed it a lot to begin with,found it a little repetitive (99% MMO's are same),had a few issues with lag,etc and the odd bug.I left to play other games and yet havent felt the need to continually hunt down every Eve forum post and hijack it.I just put it down to me not enjoying the game so I quit. Really--I guess CPP never lied or mislead you, or took advantage of the user agreement, but i really haven't been involved with any other game company that has. The people at CCP are as honest as the day is long. They introduced DX10 pretty quickly too, and really never made a big deal about it. Plus they GIVE away free expansions--hard to get mad at a company like that. It's almost as they've EARNED their business and deserve the loyality and growth they have received. Heck players can play as many 14 day free trials as they want (THose Icelanders really know how to make a solid game)---where's AoC's free trials? Can you think of a reason why they don't want people to play it yet? (bata?) (unfinished?)

Which is how MMO's should be,you play em for a bit,if you like em you stay,if not you quit,no need for all this hate all the time. Man if only life was like that--Imagine the possibilities.No accountability, that would be sweet--I think Id become a Bank Robber--how about you? Hopefully you understand that if this was just about a poorly made game, most of us Anit-FC guys wouldn't be here, but i sense you know this. The fact that at best it's a less than average game AND FC is corrupt is why people fight the fanatics sooo hard- If it was the greatest game in the world--people would still be pissed. You may wish people like myself away--but that won't happen--accept that (in fact I may be considering branching out to all site), perhaps even talk to the company that brought this on to themselves, that would be much more productive imo.  Im not the root of the problem, they are simply paying for the consequences of their actions.

Anyways no malice intended here,just trying to get you to see a different perspective of things,alternate world if you like

You cant go on posting about stuff that happened in 2008,its irrelevant to AoC in its current form,hence my terms of launch and re-launch,thats what it feels like on the server now. That's interesting, tell me, exactly what patch was it that made that happen for you? Do you play on a PvP server btw?

Anyways thats my 50 pence worth,do with it what you will

Originally posted by Drednaught

Heavy handed? the SWG forum has been split so it set a precedent in doing so.Appears the website is heavy handed then? no?

edited for spelling mistake

SWG was the reason I registered on the site, so yeah I'm fully aware of what happened after the NGE.  I'm not sure if you were around at the time but the threads being created there needed to be moderated somehow.  I didn't envy mmorpg.com in making the decision.  That being said I don't think the discourse on this forum has approached anything close to the NGE rage :)

My point still stands though.  Stifling opinion, good or bad, wouldn't benefit anyone.

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Originally posted by Crashloop

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Originally posted by Hamrtime2

You guys need to CRY MORE!
Just because youre all butthurt over a company thats about to go bankrupt and a game thats about to be shut down because it isnt any good is no reason to take it out on the people who inform any curious gamer who might wonder by what he will be getting himself into.
Your argument about not playing in months is invalid and just shows ignorance. As long as Funcom is running AoC, anyone who has played the game or is playing the game can and has the right to comment any way they see fit as long as it doesnt break the rules of this website. As long as Funcom controls AoC, I will continue to remind visitors of this sight what kind of business they run.
As we can see their business practices have now dug their grave and now will push them into the hole in just months. The fat lady is singing in the Funcom opera and the curtain is about to fall. Good ridance.

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I still wait for that link with the debt so you can prove funcom is about to go bankrupt. :)
 

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Lets see...they lost 34 million u.s. total in 2008. 23 million of which was lost in the 4th quarter alone. They have less than 40 million left in the bank. You do the math. LOL

So much for that big increase in population.

The OP cracks me up with his use of the word ' relaunch'.

There was no relaunch of AOC..... they should instead call it " before client stability" and "after client stability".

The only major changes made to the game have been the client stability and the server mergers.  The patches are very small compared to real MMORPG.    I think the AOC fanboys are amazed at the amount in their patches because all they play is AO ( a free game).   AOC can't compare to WOW, Warhammer, EVE or LotRO when it comes to content additions and there certainly hasn't been enough added to consider it a 'relaunch' LOL

Oh my god.. i can now play two hours without the client crashing to desktop.... it's REBORN!!! a  NEW AGE!!!

as long as there are paid shills in here then it will be dangerous and deceptive to split the forums. The threads these people make it seem like funcom is flawless, and the game is perfect but when this is obviously not the case.

Originally posted by croemar
It's imperative that the critical voices reaches the ears of consumers before they purchase Age of Conan.

This of course is to prevent them from falling into the hands of a company that has totally ignored the voices of their own community after the community found what they had purchased was nothing like what they were promised.

 

Also the idea to prevent debate just shows that the Funcom propaganda-machine does NOT want debate.

Keep in mind how they already have totally disregarded their own playerbase, thousands of constructive posts on their own forums - to pursuit the benefits of filling the number of non-informed consumers.

The consumer will NOT get a good treatment from this company, and we try to inform the uninformed consumer about this.

Oh hey new brand guy on a crusade. Good luck with that. If you notice there are more people from all over whom have been here years posting that they are trying the game for the first time and liking it. Do you really think it is all one sided? Or is that just the best course of action because it shares your sentiments?

Maybe they can create another forum where there will be a hand full of people but there will be dozens of accounts. Maybe the guy who openly admitted to making 20 of them for unrest here on purpose is still around. I am sure he is somewhere :)

Come bring a debate with the correct information. If you aren't a current subcriber hence a lot of disgruntled people here then please stop telling ppl what the game is like now as you guys have no clue on the current state. Just like the review for the game here, which went down the shitter.  Also half your thread is false, but thats just my opinion.

I the consumer, in a large guild of consumers, playing on a server with ties to dozens of medium to large guilds are all consumers paying for something we feel is justified. We don't need people to tell /beg us not to play because it upset them so much for whatever "small" reason. People can decide for themselves with the right information given to them something that is purposefully been flaunted here in a misleading negative way. Because "old joe" disconnected back in August last year - so it must be right.

The new forum should be labelled dis-information arena if they make one. Maybe it could be just like the cub scouts, where maybe you can all get badges for the craziest paranoid schemes, the make believe, and the guessing from not having the experience. :)

Not sure if any potential subscribers would wander over to the "Funcom False Advertising Propeganda" forum.........there are official forums for that and regardless there are (I'm not going to say paid) marketers all over all AoC  forums to entice people into playing AoC.......I know I came from Gamefaqs/Gamespot last month.

The real issue for Funcom isn't the forums but all the trash talking happening in other MMOs about AoC...it makes all the trash talking I hear over XBL look tame in comparison.

So FC burned 830,000 or so people and they each tell 10-100 people........that is a big issue considering how small the potential MMO market is aside from WoW.

There have been corporate shills and pro-AoC misinformation spreaders since well before the games release, spending their days touting features that never existed, inflating population numbers and posting about the games imaginary success. Many of them are now official forum mods, correspondents, or just still the plain old loyal fanbase that regularly defends the games here on mmorpg.com. This is not a forum for them alone, it is a forum for anyone that plays mmorpgs. Otherwise, it would be linked to AoC accounts.

Not unlike the koolaid drinkers that they are so often compared to, AoC fans will always insist that their viewpoint is the correct one. That their 'first hand experience' with the space ship that will whisk them away to eternal bliss after they sip down the poison puts them at an intellectual advantange over all those filthy non believers. But the reality is that there is no space ship. There is only a couple of lonely souls desperately looking to fit in somewhere. And failing that, subbed to AoC.

But I admit, its cute to see how they want to believe. Bravo, Mulders of the world.

If a game is shit, why would someone continue to sub to the game? Just for the 'right' to tell others its shit? When did posting about a game require a monthly fee? Do fanboys seriously think they are going to trick people into financially supporting a bad game because thats the only way they are 'allowed to post' per their standards?

There is no need to split the forum. Shills have the official aoc forums to do their positive spin on poor retention rates and Funcom higher ups jumping from the sinking ship, and about how 'amazing' the linear themepark supposedly now is. Those that want the reality, they can come here to read about how the game is boring, dying, not worth the box it came in, and has not changed for the better since its release.

L O L

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

 

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Originally posted by Crashloop

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Originally posted by Hamrtime2

 

You guys need to CRY MORE!
Just because youre all butthurt over a company thats about to go bankrupt and a game thats about to be shut down because it isnt any good is no reason to take it out on the people who inform any curious gamer who might wonder by what he will be getting himself into.
Your argument about not playing in months is invalid and just shows ignorance. As long as Funcom is running AoC, anyone who has played the game or is playing the game can and has the right to comment any way they see fit as long as it doesnt break the rules of this website. As long as Funcom controls AoC, I will continue to remind visitors of this sight what kind of business they run.
As we can see their business practices have now dug their grave and now will push them into the hole in just months. The fat lady is singing in the Funcom opera and the curtain is about to fall. Good ridance.

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I still wait for that link with the debt so you can prove funcom is about to go bankrupt. :)
 

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Lets see...they lost 34 million u.s. total in 2008. 23 million of which was lost in the 4th quarter alone. They have less than 40 million left in the bank. You do the math. LOL

So much for that big increase in population.

That is not the link where you said you think they have a debt of $20 millions. ;)

And a company that has lost 23 millions over a year isn't going bankrupt unless they lack the funds to continue their opertaions, which they are not. They still have around 40 Millions in cash reserve. so for them to go bankrupt I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but future will tell. :)

Originally posted by finaticd

Not sure if any potential subscribers would wander over to the "Funcom False Advertising Propeganda" forum.........there are official forums for that and regardless there are (I'm not going to say paid) marketers all over all AoC  forums to entice people into playing AoC.......I know I came from Gamefaqs/Gamespot last month.

But, this is my issue...WHY DO YOU CARE? Why must YOU make it a personal crusade to save others from playing? I tell you what, I may play, but I am not going to tell anyone "Hey, the game is perfect".

This would clear this forum at least of "hatred" if you and your friends of "Anti-Funcom" left and instead it could be filled with common sense posts about what people like or dislike...in so many words, like most other forums here.

The real issue for Funcom isn't the forums but all the trash talking happening in other MMOs about AoC...it makes all the trash talking I hear over XBL look tame in comparison.

Then let it be in those games and not here, where the forum says "Age of Conan" discussion...

So FC burned 830,000 or so people and they each tell 10-100 people........that is a big issue considering how small the potential MMO market is aside from WoW.

Yet, you do not know how many people were burned. You are taking wild stabs at data just like you always do. This is more misinformation than someone coming in and saying "I love AoC". You are saying those players do not love the game, but you do not know these people, you are "guessing" that they are schills, just like you guess at numbers for finances and player subs. And the worst part is, this is a gaming forum, not "Weekly financial's".

This would not be a problem if EVERY post for the game asking questions about the game was not filled with "AoC is gonna die" or "Funcom sucks" etc.

Lets say someone posted "I am thinking of coming back to AoC". Then someone comes in and says "I love AoC, so will you". Ok...now guess how YOU could counter that..

Your post...."I played the game and I found this wrong, and that wrong...etc..." (that is if you are playing recently, which 90% of hate posts are not doing)...

See the dilemma? You could form a very good opinion post, yet 90% of your posts go into a thread like that and start quoting finances, and how the "launch" sucked, Funcom will die, etc.

Maybe think about that, and see how it makes you look compared to the "I love it" guy.

All I am asking for is more sensible well formed posts about your dislikes. And make it about the game. Funcom is not the discussion here, AoC is. This is just like the SOE hate posts, and look what they did there...seperated those posts, thus why they should do it here.

I don't post here but one thing did catch my eye, not baiting or trolling just asking an honest question, why is Funcom not the issue?

I purchased AoC on release and after a few weeks of playing i found it to not be up to the standards that i am used to in a Funcom game, i have been a long time supporter of Funcom products mostly with AO but with games such as Dreamfall (and if you like adventure games i recommend it).

Maybe it's me and i simply cannot get into AoC, this is very possible, i dislike many titles others enjoy greatly but i believe that Funcom missed out on the 'RPG' factor of AoC, it's massive and it's online but the content, in my opinion, is boring as hell.

I want to dive into my character and be part of this online world, AoC seemed to be the logical venue to finally be able to take a massive story and turn it into this experience one normally wouldn't get unless they're sitting around the table with some friends and a DM who knows how to write in a good, old-fashioned PnP game, this was not the case and instead Funcom falls back on the tried and true "everybody is a hero" and the "go kill 'x' amount of 'y' for a trinket you'll outgrow in one level"

In my opinion Funcom has given the online gaming community a very generic game with little to offer except crisp, shiny graphics wrapped up in repetive gameplay and ho-hum run of the mill questing in a world in which neither should be present, it should be different but it isn't and leaves one wondering why they left whatever game and the friends they made on it.

I think Funcom is very much the issue, but this is only my two cents on the matter.

Originally posted by TheGrue

I don't post here but one thing did catch my eye, not baiting or trolling just asking an honest question, why is Funcom not the issue?

I purchased AoC on release and after a few weeks of playing i found it to not be up to the standards that i am used to in a Funcom game, i have been a long time supporter of Funcom products mostly with AO but with games such as Dreamfall (and if you like adventure games i recommend it).

Maybe it's me and i simply cannot get into AoC, this is very possible, i dislike many titles others enjoy greatly but i believe that Funcom missed out on the 'RPG' factor of AoC, it's massive and it's online but the content, in my opinion, is boring as hell.

I want to dive into my character and be part of this online world, AoC seemed to be the logical venue to finally be able to take a massive story and turn it into this experience one normally wouldn't get unless they're sitting around the table with some friends and a DM who knows how to write in a good, old-fashioned PnP game, this was not the case and instead Funcom falls back on the tried and true "everybody is a hero" and the "go kill 'x' amount of 'y' for a trinket you'll outgrow in one level"

In my opinion Funcom has given the online gaming community a very generic game with little to offer except crisp, shiny graphics wrapped up in repetive gameplay and ho-hum run of the mill questing in a world in which neither should be present, it should be different but it isn't and leaves one wondering why they left whatever game and the friends they made on it.

I think Funcom is very much the issue, but this is only my two cents on the matter.

This is a good post. I can see you do not like AoC. But, it is the fact that you do not like the game, it is not that you hate Funcom. Of course you are disappointed that Funcom made such a boring game ...to you...but, what does that have to do with Funcoms financials?

See my point in that respect? If you step into any other forum here, you will see a good balance of posts with game questions, game concerns and company concerns.

Right now, the AoC forum is 98% Funcom, 2% game. The same thing started to happen on the SWG, EQ and EQ2, Vanguard forums with SOE hate messages. This then either got put into a sticky or moved to a new thread. Here, there is so much noise it is hard to seperate the raff from the actual conversations.

Maybe we do not need a seperate forum, but a sticky called "Why I hate Funcom"...this then would be an appropriate location to collect all of the actual hate for Funcom.

Would anyone agree to that?