I hear some people saying that the release of Darkfall will affect the numbers playing WAR but after talking with people in beta I strongly doubt it.

Basically Darkfall is geared to be a ganking game where you drop everything when you get ganked (they even call the spell when u loot someone for "ganking") and also they have made it intentionally hard to circle the camera around and look behind you. Just so it will be easier to gank.

So the game, beside being full of bugs, is catered solely towards the hardcore gankers and I really am thankful WAR eliminated the need of ganking by having an easily accessable PvP system (=scenarios).

PS. Not saying WAR is perfect but as a PvP game it is much better implemented than Darkfall which is a 100% ganking game.

Gosh, I would never be able to play a mmorpg when after dying, I would lose everything.  If that was the case I would just play a console game on my free time.  As far as the darkfall hype,  I think most people didn't fall for it, however I do wish the DF fanbase best of luck in their game.

The Greatness of a game is uniquely relative to the individual who plays it,gg.

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

The game isn't full of bugs.. people keep on saying that it's the most stable bugless beta they've played (including me.. and I played in quite a few betas including WAR beta... )... it's in a much better shape than the WAR beta.... by far... (and by the way... Aventurine is responding with patches to player feedback in like a few days after an issue is raised... faster than I've ever seen)

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.
Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 

 

Could not have put this any better.....

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

The game isn't full of bugs.. people keep on saying that it's the most stable bugless beta they've played (including me.. and I played in quite a few betas including WAR beta... )... it's in a much better shape than the WAR beta.... by far... (and by the way... Aventurine is responding with patches to player feedback in like a few days after an issue is raised... faster than I've ever seen)

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.
Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 

enjoy your story makeing bud with about 100k others cause if you quit smokeing the dope you would be able to see past all the rainbow's and pixies lol.

i have heard the same crap about every mmo that came out and guess what oops epic fail empty server's and nothing but complaining.

see the thing is im not a care bear but in all honesty most are in a sense. this will be a game that will get some player's but most gamer's will not play a game where they drop all their gear they have worked for in a instance.

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by toolowdown71

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

The game isn't full of bugs.. people keep on saying that it's the most stable bugless beta they've played (including me.. and I played in quite a few betas including WAR beta... )... it's in a much better shape than the WAR beta.... by far... (and by the way... Aventurine is responding with patches to player feedback in like a few days after an issue is raised... faster than I've ever seen)

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.
Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 

enjoy your story makeing bud with about 100k others cause if you quit smokeing the dope you would be able to see past all the rainbow's and pixies lol.

i have heard the same crap about every mmo that came out and guess what oops epic fail empty server's and nothing but complaining.

see the thing is im not a care bear but in all honesty most are in a sense. this will be a game that will get some player's but most gamer's will not play a game where they drop all their gear they have worked for in a instance.

 

 

 

 

 

From what I understand, its not gear based. Thats not something to really worry about.

Originally posted by toolowdown71

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

The game isn't full of bugs.. people keep on saying that it's the most stable bugless beta they've played (including me.. and I played in quite a few betas including WAR beta... )... it's in a much better shape than the WAR beta.... by far... (and by the way... Aventurine is responding with patches to player feedback in like a few days after an issue is raised... faster than I've ever seen)

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.
Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 

enjoy your story makeing bud with about 100k others cause if you quit smokeing the dope you would be able to see past all the rainbow's and pixies lol.

i have heard the same crap about every mmo that came out and guess what oops epic fail empty server's and nothing but complaining.

see the thing is im not a care bear but in all honesty most are in a sense. this will be a game that will get some player's but most gamer's will not play a game where they drop all their gear they have worked for in a instance.

 

 

 

 

 

two things

1. learn to quote correctly

2. " most gamer's will not play a game where they drop all their gear they have worked for in a instance" this wont be a problem because we wont be doing constant instance for gear. (or raids)

I do not believe that Darkfall will be a significant issue to WAR ad much as it may be an issue to WOW. In the end, WAR gives the players the RvR it promised. Darkfall will be more 1 on 1 or group on group. NO objectives and the only incentive win is to keep your stuff.

Darkfall has promise, but in the end I wager it will take away more players from WoW than any MMO (just because of numbers)

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

The game isn't full of bugs.. people keep on saying that it's the most stable bugless beta they've played (including me.. and I played in quite a few betas including WAR beta... )... it's in a much better shape than the WAR beta.... by far... (and by the way... Aventurine is responding with patches to player feedback in like a few days after an issue is raised... faster than I've ever seen)

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.
Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 

 

All unneccessary bashing and over zealous DF defending aside,TY for further iterating the OP's point that DF is built for the pure HC FFA PVP fans.

Yeah DF will take its toll on WAR though I really doubt that any pure PVP fans would have stayed on WAR after the first few months. So I agree with OP that DF probably won't have a huge impact on WAR. 

Originally posted by sgel

Maybe you should talk to people who actually play the beta (like me) instead of listening to morons.

Yeah people who doesnt agree with me are morons. Typical response from a cool/lewt dude. They say they are in beta and say its full of bugs, you say you are in beta and say it isnt. Considering they didnt call people who dont agree with them for morons I think I will listen to them

The game is ridicoulously more PvP oriented than WAR... it's not a safe environment and there's penalties when you give someone else a kill.... i.e. you lose all your belongings (except for the things in your bank).... which is basicaly the purest form of PvP.... reality works like this...

Purest forms of PvP? No, its the purest forms of griefing/ganking. PvP means player versus player, it in no way says that the loser should lose everything. It is like saying a boxing match to the death is the purest form of boxing. No it isnt, it is the most savage form of boxing.

Ganking isn't a spell as you call it (lol)... it's a maneuver you perform when you incapasitate someone... you can choose to leave them be, revive them or gank them and take their stuff.
Doesn't that sound better than just letting them respawn ?... how is that pure PvP?... where is my satisfaction?... where is the actual penalty so I care if I die?...

The satisfaction is in competing against players and not AI, not a sadistic satisfaction knowing that the people you die will lose everything they got.

WHAT the hell is the point in killing people if they respawn exactly the same as before?...

Oh I dunno, maybe because you have other objectives for killing people than causing them grief?

and I'm not even going to go into the whole skill discussion.
Watch some proper Darkfall PvP videos and compare them to WoW/WAR/ and all other EQ clones...

Oh and I just realized you like Scenarios.... ... but I guess that's fine if you like other people to tell you how to play a game instead of having complete freedom.

Let me finish that sentance for you: instead of having complete freedom to grief people.

Again this has nothing to do with PvP but rather that you want to have the freedom to grief people. That is a whole different thing entirely. Again calling people who doesnt enjoy the same things as you for a Nut Job. This is again typicaly griefer/ganker mentality and which you will find plenty of in Darkfall.

The thing is you really dont want PvP, you want to degreade and grief people because that somehow makes you feel better. That is what Darkfall is about, allowing to put the maximum grief on other people you defeat.

Darkfall will get players from WAR... but don't worry... the carebears will still remain in your beloved scenarios... enjoy the stories people put you in... and let me enjoy making my own.

 Carebear was a term used for people who like PvE, not for people who like PvP without the grief element. In WAR, on O-RvR servers, you can attack and kill someone pretty much everywhere (beside in cities/warcamps and sometimes even in cities) the difference is that you cant grief people since they wont lose much when dying.

So again, just because you like griefing does not make more of a PvPer than me. I have played MMORPGs since the launch of UO and I have always picked PvP centered MMORPGs where Asheron Call on Darktide was my favourite.

What make that game great, and Darkfall rubbish, is that on Darktide server there was some balance. On death you only dropped a set of items, not all, and some quest items were undroppable and combine that with the radar that the game had, which allowed you to spot if someone was about to gank you, that created a balanced game where PvP was unrestricted yet it was manageable since you didnt lose everything.

WARs death penalties are way too light and Darkfalls way too heavy but since I play games to enjoy myself and I dont enjoy myself when griefing people, or get griefed by other people, then I will pick WAR over Darkfall anytime.

Btw I can bet that you PvP alot more in WAR than in Darkfall since in WAR you can advance your character solely through PvP (again scenarios that you hate so much). In Darkfall you repeteadly use a skill to level it which probably means most people will do AFK macroing. Thats pure PvP for you!

 

His post pretty much sums up why only gankers will like the game. Underlined the interesting parts.

WAR is affecting WAR's numbers a lot more than DF ever will.

As far as MY sub goes it is an issue, because my Darkfall preorder is in and I'm downloading the client as I type. Not resubbing to WAR. WaR was fun and it brought alot of new things to the mmo table its not enough for me. In WAR the people on your own side have no consequence and I hate this. I like people having to be held accountable for what they say. If someone says something stupid in Darkfall fight them! Also same goes for you , you must weigh your situations. is it a good time to say exactly whats on your mind ? or will you be instantly ganked.? Must also chose your allies and enemies wisely. In WAR you know exactly who your enemy is.

Did someone gank you once in a game or something? You have not played the game and are extreamly judgemental. Not only that, so are you over me! I want to play the game DF, I also play WAR and will most likely play both as long as my income allows and depending on whatever I like DF enough or not.

I am by no means a ganker nor will the game be about ganking. While killing other players will be importend, you can not just run around killing everyone, becouse you will be on the Kill on sight list of many many guilds (true you can run around killing everone, but it will be an hard route to take many do not want to venture). However try to avoid to judge a game you have not played. You can have an opinion about the ideas of the game, but do not present them as if they are facts.

DF is a pvp game with a weak combat system. It will get boring and repetitive real quick.  DF will lose most of there sub's after the honeymoon wears off.  Besides DF will have a limited release so that will be a total player base of around 30-50k at most,  My guess is that the sub numbers will fall well below these numbers (nitch game). It's not the kind of numbers that will effect other games.

Good luck to DF fans, I hope it turns out to be what they were looking for.

i saw some dude mention something along the lines of "people wont want to lose all the gear they worked so hard for in instances".....

please tell me darkfall is not going to have instances, i fucking hate instances

Originally posted by Coman

Did someone gank you once in a game or something? You have not played the game and are extreamly judgemental. Not only that, so are you over me! I want to play the game DF, I also play WAR and will most likely play both as long as my income allows and depending on whatever I like DF enough or not.

I am by no means a ganker nor will the game be about ganking. While killing other players will be importend, you can not just run around killing everyone, becouse you will be on the Kill on sight list of many many guilds (true you can run around killing everone, but it will be an hard route to take many do not want to venture). However try to avoid to judge a game you have not played. You can have an opinion about the ideas of the game, but do not present them as if they are facts.

I dont have to play a game to know how it will be like, judging from the ruleset. Also I have over 12 years of MMORPG experience and know how harsch unrestricted PvP can be like. Add full loot to that and the inability to watch your back (by panning the camera around) and you're in a world of grief.

DOF won't be an issue for War because it's unprofessional. Even the launch is catastrophic, I know DFO fans who can't have a copy or even see the accoun'ts page, and trying to PAY since 2 days. page is down since 2 days, this is not a preorder lol because we're at release...  No open beta, nothing interesting for preorders, that"s a real joke.

war is boring imo, but it's a professional product sold by professionals.
DFO is far from beeing a professional product.That"s why a lot of people doesn't want to subscribe. It's not a pb of full loot or corpse run lol. But a prb of money and professionalism. 

I payed for RV 2 years ago, unplayable. I won't pay again for such "projects".

1 server, 1 char, small company, no funds, same kind of product. 

Originally posted by ougarit

DOF won't be an issue for War because it's unprofessional. Even the launch is catastrophic, I know DFO fans who can't have a copy or even see the accoun'ts page, and trying to PAY since 2 days. page is down since 2 days, this is not a preorder lol because were at release... Only and order.

war is boring imo, but it's a professional product sold by professionals.
DFO is far from beeing a profesional product.

Sad to say but I think PVPers only have old games to play : Eve, DAOC .

 

I've been a PC gamer long enough to realise that 'professional' doesn't equate to FUN. Aventurine can be classed as indie developers. I'm personally sick of polished, pretty MMO's that force you down a certain pathway. I've been in DF beta since last year and have had more fun than I've had in any game since UO. Because of this, I'll be playing DF at release, and I wish Aventurine all the best.

I'm not talking about gameplay. 

But don't expect too much from DFO...you need a lot of players to play MMORPGS.

I'm personally sick of unfinished, bugged, unpolished and unprofessional mmorpgs. No more payment for alpha or beta testing.

Comparing a RvR game to a FFA PvP game is like comparing apples and oranges...generally two different customers.

Conserning Darkfall and ganking; yes Darkfall will have ganking but its so easily avoidable.  And so what if you get ganked once in awhile, whats the big deal? IF you like PvP you shouldnt concentrate whats bad about it, but rather concentrate on the good stuff like its brutally fun 95% of the time.

I will try Darkfall acouple of weeks after launch, and even if I dont like it, I will still applaud them for trying.

Given the history of the game & some of the comments by Beta testers, I think it's a little early to be considering Darkfall a threat to anything at present, especially since Aventurine don't have the hardware to support that many players from launch & are relying on new income to buy further equipment.

Good luck to them & if they succeed I will be impressed, but like many people I am still quite sceptical.

The only affect DF will have on WAR is that we'll see a decrease in self styled hardc0re gamerz for a while. Not for long though as they'll realise that when everyone else is uber hardcore too, you're just average. They'll want to come back and lord it over us 'carebears' again. But I'll enjoy the break from badly 'spelled' posts and  'u sux l2p' coments while it lasts.

Originally posted by ougarit

I'm not talking about gameplay. 

But don't expect too much from DFO...you need a lot of players to play MMORPGS.

 

I'm personally sick of unfinished, bugged, unpolished and unprofessional mmorpgs. No more payment for alpha or beta testing.

I guess newly released MMORPG's aren't for you, eh? ;)

Originally posted by Yamota

I hear some people saying that the release of Darkfall will affect the numbers playing WAR but after talking with people in beta I strongly doubt it.

Basically Darkfall is geared to be a ganking game where you drop everything when you get ganked (they even call the spell when u loot someone for "ganking") and also they have made it intentionally hard to circle the camera around and look behind you. Just so it will be easier to gank.

So the game, beside being full of bugs, is catered solely towards the hardcore gankers and I really am thankful WAR eliminated the need of ganking by having an easily accessable PvP system (=scenarios).

PS. Not saying WAR is perfect but as a PvP game it is much better implemented than Darkfall which is a 100% ganking game.

That's of course, if you expect the game to actually be up and working at all.