Now that the NDA is lifted:

a friend of mine spent a few day(s) creating hacks for the game, he's got some good ones.

if he can do it in a matter of a few days, I can't wait to see what happens when professionals get in there to do it... or what they manage to alter.

The Guild with the best hacks will control this gameworld...

While the game had it's moments, it's definately not fun for me.  Getting ganked while at half health fighting a mob is not "fun".

And no, I don't think it's as ready for release as War or AoC.

Is "Open Hardcore PvP" an excuse not to hire GMs?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

 

The price alone is keeping me away from this one. I'm not paying that much for a virtual download. Honestly I believe this game would benefit more as a F2P game with micro-transactions (especially after reading how painful crafting is at the moment). I play some Asian F2P MMOs and spend lots of money on them,, on average more that $15 dollars a month (standard MMO subscription fee). I usually put about $10 a week aside and at the end of the month go on a buying spree from the virtual store, on average spending $40 or more. DF could make a killing this way.

But as far as I can gather, taking all I've read into account, this game is still in early beta stages. I've never paid to play a beta in my life and I won't start now. If this game hangs long enough and does well enough for a USA release, I'd definitely change my mind.

And just as a side note: A lot of testers have posted about the graphics of this game (which I never care about, gameplay is more important) and about how mediocre they are. I'm a bit confused... what happened to this game? Did they change the graphics to something worse or is this a falsified screen grab? Because, judging from this shot, these graphics are pretty damn great!

Didn't I read in the announcements leading up to this (maybe in January?) that everyone was going to be able to play the game before they bought it (like a free trial or something)? I don't see any mention of that now and it's obvious that on the pre-order you are buying it before you play it since they will charge for it on the 25th.  Did I just misunderstand the comments about trying it before you buy it or ??

No, you didn't misunderstand they clearly stated that they did not expect or want anyone to pay for anything before they tried it.

What you missed was that the comment was from a member of an MMO's management ...

Darkfail

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

Originally posted by stine96

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

I agree.

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

I'd be happier if this game sounded like Ultima Online 2.0 - which, c'mon, I'm sure more than just myself was expecting this to be true. I'd still like to give it a try. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a free trial...

CAUTION: The above post is slightly biased due to the fact it was posted by an Ultima Online diehard fanatic. This person still believes, and believes he will always believe, that aside from the 2D platter the game is served on, UO is the greatest mmorpg they've ever played.

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

Originally posted by jefaw82

Originally posted by stine96

Sounds like Shadowbane 1.5

 

I agree.

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

I'd be happier if this game sounded like Ultima Online 2.0 - which, c'mon, I'm sure more than just myself was expecting this to be true. I'd still like to give it a try. I'll keep my fingers crossed for a free trial...

CAUTION: The above post is slightly biased due to the fact it was posted by an Ultima Online diehard fanatic. This person still believes, and believes he will always believe, that aside from the 2D platter the game is served on, UO is the greatest mmorpg they've ever played.

 

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

I know I'm being a bit anal here but just to clarify.  Shadowbane was never full loot.  The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death.  Which was basically pointless since anyone with an IQ over 60 always requested an emergency summons to bank the instant they acquired an item actually worth looting. 

The only time we would even bother to check corpses is when we were stealth ganking gold farming groups and even then good groups just had one guy looting the gold who would be summoned periodicly before he risked losing a decent amount of cash.

Personally I think people put way too much emphasis on the full loot aspect of Darkfall.  If UO showed us anything it's that anyone half decent at pvp in a full loot game is going to have jack worth looting in the first place.  I know back in UO's early days I ran around pvping ethier naked or in complete junk (see bonearmor) that I had huge stocks of or didn't care about losing anyhow.  The most you ever got off me was the small amount of reagents I carried to go play with.  I imagine Darkfall will be no different.

I'll still be playing TF2 though, screw fireballs and crap.  It's old, lets move on already.

Originally posted by jefaw82

 

(I refused to pay to play Shadowbane because of the full loot > PvP I didn't mind. when it became free I started an account and quickly discovered how glad I was that I didn't pay for it.)

*Prepares for much flaming to follow his post*

Shadowbane is not and has never been full loot.  There are many reasons to like and dislike that game but that's not one of them.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

Ouch.

Thanks for that info there.

Those prices are in line with AAA titles.  I think a lower rate, say for under $10/mo, with $25 or less for the initial buy would be better (though I think a free client download would be the better choice).  Start with a below average rate then increase it as the demand grows.

I guess however, there is already a perception of high demand willing to accept the rates.  I just would hate to see that high spike and then sharp decline.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

 

I'll wait a few months for the price to drop to bargain bin numbers. 52.90 made me do a double take! Is this game coming out for XBOX 360 or PS3?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by HoldMe

I know I'm being a bit anal here but just to clarify. Shadowbane was never full loot. The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death. Which was basically pointless since anyone with an IQ over 60 always requested an emergency summons to bank the instant they acquired an item actually worth looting.

...

I'll still be playing TF2 though, screw fireballs and crap. It's old, lets move on already.

That's not the reason I disliked the game. I didn't like it because it just plain sucked. The fun factor was missing and the final game felt like an Everquest Alpha... a very poorly executed Everquest Alpha.

And if you have no interest in playing Darkfall you should really find another discussion thread to annoy.

Btw, "The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death" I believe is the actual definition of "full loot". Please only post when you have a true point and not just for the act of posting. Thanks.

 

 

Originally posted by Briansho

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

 

 

I'll wait a few months for the price to drop to bargain bin numbers. 52.90 made me do a double take! Is this game coming out for XBOX 360 or PS3?!?!?!?!

I don't think so. As far as I know they are only producing as many PC copies as they have pre-orders for. This game will have to be an amazing surprise success for them to even think about a console version.

Actually games like Shadowbane are what we call "partial loot" since obviously you can only partially loot someone.  We''ll be sure to pass out the memo though that games like UO and Darkfall are now classified as "ultra full loot" being that you lose equiped items also...

Welcome to the news section, a place a person can post regardless of whether they plan to play a game or not.

Originally posted by HoldMe

... We''ll be sure to pass out the memo though that games like UO and Darkfall are now classified as "ultra full loot" being that you lose equiped items also...

You should lose everything, including your skin if I choose you skin you. I can always use the extra hide in my crafting recipes 

Originally posted by jefaw82

Originally posted by HoldMe

I know I'm being a bit anal here but just to clarify. Shadowbane was never full loot. The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death. Which was basically pointless since anyone with an IQ over 60 always requested an emergency summons to bank the instant they acquired an item actually worth looting.

...

I'll still be playing TF2 though, screw fireballs and crap. It's old, lets move on already.

 

That's not the reason I disliked the game. I didn't like it because it just plain sucked. The fun factor was missing and the final game felt like an Everquest Alpha... a very poorly executed Everquest Alpha.

And if you have no interest in playing Darkfall you should really find another discussion thread to annoy.

Btw, "The only items you could drop were what you happen to have in your inventory at the time of death" I believe is the actual definition of "full loot". Please only post when you have a true point and not just for the act of posting. Thanks.

 

 

Originally posted by Briansho

 

Originally posted by zymurgeist

52.90  USD to buy

14.83 USD a month subscription fee.

No box,  no manual,  no nothing.  Digital download only.

 

 

I'll wait a few months for the price to drop to bargain bin numbers. 52.90 made me do a double take! Is this game coming out for XBOX 360 or PS3?!?!?!?!

 

I don't think so. As far as I know they are only producing as many PC copies as they have pre-orders for. This game will have to be an amazing surprise success for them to even think about a console version.

 

Produce what? I thought it was download only with no box and manual. They aren't producing anything. Just allowing you to download the client and connect to their servers. To be honest, with all of the coffee coasters that I have picked up over the years - I will not be paying anything for another MMO that I cannot try out first. It also irks me how a European company ends up screwing over their own community with prices that are rediculously more expensive than the US dollar. For Christ sakes, it's nearly $20 US per month if you live in the UK.

I'll wait a few months after release and see how things settle down first. Hopefully, there will be a free trial announced soon after the release.

Yes I agree. A free trial is definitely needed.

When dealing with that kind of money I guess I was just hoping they'd give me something tangible. Thanks for letting me know it's only a download. Now I really got stuff to ponder.

Sounds like shadowbane with fewer mobs to fund your losses. Maybe if it was ftp or had a free trial but no way would  i pay money at this point. With all the big budget AAA titles releasing in crap condition lately, i find it hard to believe this will be anything other than crap at release.

well i personally have yet to find a good review. And by good review i mean someone explaining what made it good, or even a story about how you were at half health and surrounded.

What i have heard is numerous accounts of the game being unfinished, along with even more videos showing the same. 

The only thing i have gathered is the game looks nice but thats is about it. (as far as the good goes).

As far as price, i can understand 50 bucks in a box, becuase it costs money to move the game to the stores and pay for all the gas + personal and whatnot. But to distrubte a digital copy that takes 0 overhead, it shouldn't be costing the same as a game in the store. We should be saving money becuase it is digital only.

So far, i'm waiting for spellborn. My choices were between the two, and i've played spellborn and while i'll still try a free trail for darkfall, everything i have seen so far puts spellborn way ahead of darkfall, even more so in combat.

It still says on darkfallonline.com that there "will be a public beta test". Was this just UK or will there be a US one as well?