Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Opjective opinion about gfx DFO v. Vantard:

 

Vantard easily wins for graphics.

DFO wins for everything else for not being made of fail and sabotaged by Brad McGhey.

 

DFo is like Shadowbane 1.5 graphically, Vantard is EQ2.1 (not even .5)

 

That being said, they are both made of fail as DFO is going to be a macrofest, and Vantard... well, its Vantard! If you play it you are spitting in the face of every gamer.

Make up your mind.

Unless you actually meant that there is a difference in something just *containing fail* compared to *containing fail by Brad McGhey*.

Originally posted by mrroboto40

So, I log on after the servers return from being down for 3 days.

I decide I should run around, so I do that.

I ran to the middle of the world map, right into the word Agon.

I run through a forest to a giant mountain, and when I reach the top, this is what I see.

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So, I'm like alright, this is pretty sick. So I run down the mountain side, right into the middle of the city, I find a canal type thing, and decide to swim in it.

I exit the water only to see what seems to be 4 swirling blue vortex's (which later was determined to be a charged skill) and mobs named "Deathless Mages", I ran away, because 1v4 does not work too well.

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I come back only to discover none of them are there anymore, so I continue exploring around in a different direction, and come upon two Shadow Knights guarding a doorway, and enter combat with one of them. He hits pretty hard, so I ran away.

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I start swimming through the canal and come out the other side.

I start running around, and see this heavily fortified town, I run around until I find the entrance and I start getting attacked by a Mahirim.

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There seems to be two similar buildings right next to each other so I grabbed a screenshot of the outside.

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I kept running, this time for a while longer and discovered what seems to be a city or camp between two rocks.

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Upon closer inspection, it seems to be a destroyed Clan city.

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So, I walk up to the top, and low and behold, the guild master. Killed him a few times...

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It seems I can't loot him fast enough before he respawns at his own clanstone, but my main object of my exploration was to find a bank, and to fix my alignment, which has been fixed :). Imma gank him a few more times before I log : )

 

He was naked macroing. thats why you cant loot him. he has nothing on =)

The game world looks pretty wide open.. like an Elder Scrolls game..

As for "naked macroing".. Skills can be raised by striking air? If thats so, then this game has already failed. Why fight you when I can just setup and auto strike air macro and build my skill up for days?

Obviously with that design the developers are indeed fighting themselves because you want your citizens to fight each other, yet they do not have to, to get better? Wheres the reward for fighting if they are going to train naked for skill all day? Who's ACTUALLY going to be fighting? lol..

Originally posted by Vyeth

The game world looks pretty wide open.. like an Elder Scrolls game..

 

As for "naked macroing".. Skills can be raised by striking air? If thats so, then this game has already failed. Why fight you when I can just setup and auto strike air macro and build my skill up for days?

Obviously with that design the developers are indeed fighting themselves because you want your citizens to fight each other, yet they do not have to, to get better? Wheres the reward for fighting if they are going to train naked for skill all day? Who's ACTUALLY going to be fighting? lol..

DF is all about the macroing. Everything in the game can be increased from macroing. Just pick a spell and fire into the air until its maxed out in two days time. The same goes for naked macroing. Heck even mining you just pick a spot toss on the macro and let it run. Heck you can even do it in the safety of the newbie towns as not to get killed if you want.

And just like that my expectations for what would have ben a great game has taken a nose dive... That's a cowards choice of gameplay and if they allow it, then I don't think I'll be wasting my time..

Just like WAR fighting themselves with scenarios, this macro style will go against the whole idea that you must fight to improve. They should have just used an experience / level system if this is what they were going to do, or no progression at all and just let everyone pick skills and be at max.

Originally posted by TalRasha

Originally posted by Sturmrabe

Opjective opinion about gfx DFO v. Vantard:

 

Vantard easily wins for graphics.

DFO wins for everything else for not being made of fail and sabotaged by Brad McGhey.

 

DFo is like Shadowbane 1.5 graphically, Vantard is EQ2.1 (not even .5)

 

That being said, they are both made of fail as DFO is going to be a macrofest, and Vantard... well, its Vantard! If you play it you are spitting in the face of every gamer.

 

Make up your mind.

Unless you actually meant that there is a difference in something just *containing fail* compared to *containing fail by Brad McGhey*.

Ouch, I should have not used such similar terms but let me clear up:

Nothing in the MMO world [except a similar scheme] will ever be as epically comprised of fail like Vantard, it was a early retirement program and a ponzy scheme and a snake oil sale all rolled into one. SOE bought a shell of a game, little more than enough of a shell to use for funding presentations.

So nothing will ever touch it. Anyone willing to pay into it by playing it is either a blind EQ1 old school idiot sheep, or someone who hates gamers, gaming, and MMO's... because any support of that game promotes ripping off of the average gamer.

DFO fail will be for far different reasons: MMO's are just too big of a project for small indy companies, without some crafy financial backing maneuvers, the game doesn't have the gameplay>gfx justification for looking like total shit, and the mechanics are inherently flawed and will be macrod till the cows come home... much like UO was by all the "hardXcore"s, if not worse.

Originally posted by Vyeth

They should have just used an experience / level system if this is what they were going to do, or no progression at all and just let everyone pick skills and be at max.

First off NO.  The biggest feature in my eyes is that it ISN'T Level based for once.  Now it can still be skill based and work properly if the game was intelligent enough to calculate skill gain based on a true hit versus just swinging away.  Though I don't see that happening this late (hahaha) in the game.

Was looking forward to it but its appealing less and less to me knowing what type of playing is going to this.

        Heh the two most common phrases heard from beta testers: "I ran" and "I ganked" (Even though ganked usually means more than one player was involved in the kill)........

Originally posted by warpp

You think this is a good view? img18.imageshack.us/img18/1825/50411132.jpg it looks like garbage. Seriously that screen shot is the worse i have seen yet. I thought the world was beautiful because this looks like crap.

 

Think i will stick with forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m until MO come out.

Agreed Even if that was taken on a crap computer with setting REALLY low this shows that this game has some pretty old Graphics.

Originally posted by DAS1337

what developer programs the phrase.. "you ganked XXX" into their game?  WTF is that?

 

 

QFT!

I would say another worry I have from watching live streams and videos of the game is that all they seem to be doing is running, running, running, oh maybe a little little fighting, then run run run. Either they are running away from someone else, they are running after someone else or they are running to some other place in the world.

Ok, sometimes they ride horses too and actually that raft thing looked nice apart from everyone falling into the water all the time. But just moving around seem to be the main feature of the game if you judge by what is shown in videos/streams.

Originally posted by Cetra

Originally posted by DAS1337

what developer programs the phrase.. "you ganked XXX" into their game?  WTF is that?

 

 

 

QFT!

For over 10 years, ganked was used to describe a group of players killing a lone player. But in this game, "gank" is a finishing move?

I know that they are from Norway/Greece/whatever but if they have played UO like they claim they did, they should know the difference.

Originally posted by OBK1

I would say another worry I have from watching live streams and videos of the game is that all they seem to be doing is running, running, running, oh maybe a little little fighting, then run run run. Either they are running away from someone else, they are running after someone else or they are running to some other place in the world.

Ok, sometimes they ride horses too and actually that raft thing looked nice apart from everyone falling into the water all the time. But just moving around seem to be the main feature of the game if you judge by what is shown in videos/streams.

The whole time i was in beta thats about all that happened, unless you include to almost disgusting trash talking. Thats about it, sure there will be more but will be overshadowed mostly i feel.

Err.. seriously, are those screenshots from Arena (Elder Scrolls 1)?? Or Hexen? Sheesh, I mean, honestly, even if the gameplay was uber, and granted its nice that the OP enjoys exploring... but these screenshots look like 1989 or so. *shudders*

Good to see some people on these forums that know what they're talking about! Gank is a shortened version of 'gang-kill'. I'm suprised Aventurine use the word in the same way newbie-MMORPG'ers use it, especially considering the devs are so oldschool in their views on MMORPG's.

Originally posted by Elikal

Err.. seriously, are those screenshots from Arena (Elder Scrolls 1)?? Or Hexen? Sheesh, I mean, honestly, even if the gameplay was uber, and granted its nice that the OP enjoys exploring... but these screenshots look like 1989 or so. *shudders*

You haven't played the game have you? I'll give you a bit of advice - Comments on Darkfall's graphics are best left until you've played the game for yourself. If I had a penny for every time I've heard new beta-players say "This looks ALOT better than I thought it would..."......

These screenies definitely don't do the game justice :P

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by OBK1

I would say another worry I have from watching live streams and videos of the game is that all they seem to be doing is running, running, running, oh maybe a little little fighting, then run run run. Either they are running away from someone else, they are running after someone else or they are running to some other place in the world.

Ok, sometimes they ride horses too and actually that raft thing looked nice apart from everyone falling into the water all the time. But just moving around seem to be the main feature of the game if you judge by what is shown in videos/streams.

 

The whole time i was in beta thats about all that happened, unless you include to almost disgusting trash talking. Thats about it, sure there will be more but will be overshadowed mostly i feel.

          The videos I saw that had mounts in them were pretty poor....Teh rider looked like he was having sex with the horse instead of riding it.......Also the running thing is bothersome also......All we heard about this game was how only the toughest of the tough should play this blah blah blah, then all I see is players running like school girls all the time.......If you guys are that afraid of dying then youre playing the wrong game......Also if its a "I dont want to lose my stuff" fear then lose the gear and fight naked.....That will deter some players from killing you in the first place if you have nothing on for them to take........
 

Originally posted by Vyeth

The game world looks pretty wide open.. like an Elder Scrolls game..

 

As for "naked macroing".. Skills can be raised by striking air? If thats so, then this game has already failed. Why fight you when I can just setup and auto strike air macro and build my skill up for days?

Obviously with that design the developers are indeed fighting themselves because you want your citizens to fight each other, yet they do not have to, to get better? Wheres the reward for fighting if they are going to train naked for skill all day? Who's ACTUALLY going to be fighting? lol..

Almost every skill can be raised by unattended macroing.  In some cases, you have absolutely nothing to risk (mage, melee etc).  In some cases, like mining, you have a risk of someone finding you and killing you and you lose what is in your backpack.  Fortunately it's fairly easy to do a 'circular' macro where you run back to the bank every so often.  The other fortunate part is that you can macro most gathering skills within protected zones, so you can't even be ganked.

A lot of the other skills are very easy to macro.. absurdly easy.  To the point where you dont' have to even run a macro program, all you need to do is put something heavy on one of your keys.

The 'target' in this story probably could care less.  He went to sleep with a low skill, and woke up and his skill was much higher. 

Expect to see 'naked' people everywhere.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Valhama

Originally posted by warpp

You think this is a good view? img18.imageshack.us/img18/1825/50411132.jpg it looks like garbage. Seriously that screen shot is the worse i have seen yet. I thought the world was beautiful because this looks like crap.

 

Think i will stick with forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m until MO come out.

 

The game can be scaled to look like it was made in 2000, or up to 2009. At max settings, it's beyond beautiful. The OP must not have a very strong PC.

max settings arent enabled max settings will look better than vanguard at least i think...

I guess in a few days we will see if this holds water when they go live. what will you use as a reason when people still post these graphics ?

cant wait another 2 years for mortal online hope this is good