Originally posted by Pappy13

Originally posted by Vetarnias

Ullshitbay.  I wanted to like it, and I disregarded most views of the game, positive or negative, before I started playing. 

Please explain to a simple person than how you came up with your views on end game and the best build for paladins when you only reached lvl 46?  You repeatedly quoted some other person in your original post, please explain how these are your own thoughts?

Sorry, but you obviously had some pre-conceived notions about the game before you ever started playing, so please dispense with the "I disregarded most views of the game, positive or negative, before I sarted playing".  Utter nonsense.

I'm sure you believe it, but that doesn't make it true.

 

 

 Exactly. Every point made and all were good points , but they were nothing new. The Op knew going in that this was not the type of game he liked to play. so did he do it out of shear boredom from lack of games to play? I don't know exactly, but I find it utterly ludicrous to come on here and rehash what everyone has already said about the game who did not like it.

Originally posted by Vetarnias

I picked up World of Warcraft (Battle Chest edition) in late November, and did not buy the Wrath of the Lich King expansion because it was indicated to me that it was completely useless below level 55. It was just as well that I did not buy it, because I only made it to level 46 before I tired of the game. Perhaps my less than positive view of WoW is a result of my blasé attitude, as these past twelve months I gravitated from (to limit the list to subscription-based games) Pirates of the Burning Sea (five months), to Age of Conan (six weeks), to Warhammer Online (a week), and finally to Blizzard's cash cow in late November. Six weeks later, I've had enough of World of Warcraft.

I don't think I have seen a game that led to such polarized views, with WoW fans on one side who hope that their game will last forever (it won't), and the haters on the other side who apparently not only despise the philosophy of the game but also its impact on the industry, where WoW clones have become the norm. While I am skeptical of gamers who would turn the clock back to the "good old days" of pre-Trammel UO, I think they are right when they claim that WoW is a poor example of an MMO, closer as it is to a single-player game which many people play simultaneously than to a genuine MMORPG in the traditional sense of the word.

The game world, for instance, is very polished but has no depth; whatever you do in it will have no impact upon the dynamics of said game universe. As I played on a PvP server, I always found it ironic that we should have "contested" areas which would never in fact switch from one side to the other. The player's part in this? Kill a few NPC's and enemy players, but nothing more -- Tarren Mill and Southshore will always remain Horde and Alliance towns, respectively, regardless of how many enemy players overrun them on a regular basis. This gets old, very quickly -- and the static world changes absolutely nothing on an unbalanced PvP server.

Not to mention that the open-world PvP in those so-called contested areas is a misnomer. When it's not a level- or number-based gankfest, the PvP is back to the same annoying "tactics" I have come to expect in every game out there -- kiting, running in circles, stealth and waiting until the opponent is half-dead from NPC encounters comes to mind. In other words, I find that PvP in gaming has deteriorated into a series of clichés, with WoW leading the way not because it has given birth to such tactics, but because it has made them notorious.

This wouldn't be so bad if the game did not also force me to play a certain way instead of being genuinely free to build my class as I see fit. I played a Blood Elf paladin, and when it comes to "pallys" the word was out that "Retribution" was the best build available. And the word being out was, for once, correct: Just reading the description of the various "skills", it was apparent that the Retribution build was vastly superior to the other two, with its various bonuses to offense and other perks (including faster mount speed). But there was a hitch: I did not want to play a Retribution paladin. I have always been a sword-and-shield type of player, preferring to go for tanking and relying on priests and ranged attackers for support -- and the build for it was Protection, not Retribution (which instead gives advantages to two-handed weapons). However, due to the genuine superiority of the Retribution build, I was placing myself at a disadvantage simply for not selecting it.

I would even be prepared to disregard this if it weren't for the ludicrous level imbalances in the game. It so happens that I can hit an enemy NPC five levels above me with great difficulty, and that one higher by a margin of six levels or more almost always means certain death. Even equipment is ludicrously unbalanced. The basic defense bonus for a level-80 cape, for instance, is higher than for a level-5 chest armor, and that's not even taking into account the bonus it gives to other statistics; just try to imagine this in real life. All in all, I will say that as far as treadmill games are concerned, this is the worst I have played; not to mention that with new levels added on top by each expansion, it makes the exercise even more painful. But what a brilliant idea Blizzard had to make this game both level- and gear-based; when you've finally reached 60, then 70, then 80, begins the quest for epic gear in dungeons. And by the time you've obtained the best gear you could ever get, well, the next expansion will probably be out to make you step on the treadmill again before you could relish being king of the (pointless) hill.

This is so transparent as to be infuriating; on a PvP server, it all but forces you to buy every new expansion or be condemned to loser status. I can't say I even have a choice when it comes to deciding whether I want the expansions or not -- because a 10-level difference or more inevitably means certain death. (To add insult to injury, you can't even see how much of an unbalanced gank that is if the other player is much higher than you.) Add on top of this an unhealthy dose of ego-stroking instant-gratification, supplemented by the unhealthy amount of derision for low-level players built into the game thanks to the level treadmill (or as I like to put it, "your gear is the best in the world... until next level, where it's obsolete and where you suck if you keep it"), and you get a highly questionable game. Worse still, even professions such as fishing and cooking have been pegged to level progression -- even if you wanted to be an artisan fisherman, you couldn't do it without first levelling to 45. Maybe I would just like to cast my line without being sent on a run-of-the-mill "Kill X This, Fetch Y that" quest.

Jonathan Blow, the maker of Braid (which I haven't played), made headlines when he called World of Warcraft "unethical". There was much whining in some circles about his comment, but he's right. In his words: "When you play World of Warcraft -- and what I'm about to say is a generalization, since different players enjoy different things, obviously -- a lot of the appeal of playing World of Warcraft is not in the core gameplay mechanic, because it's boring, a lot of the time. Sometimes when you're on a really good raid with a team and you're getting teamwork going and that's a close call, that can be exciting, but if you graph out what players are doing over the average 12-hour play session or whatever... That's obviously hyperbole, but if you're looking at what activities they're actually performing, there's not that much good gameplay in there. I think what keeps them in there is, at first, the level ding, because it's very addictive to get that. "Okay, I've got more gold. Whatever." And eventually, they've made this huge time investment and they've got a character there and they know what that level ding feels like and the next one is pretty far off, but they can get there! And it's not any better, because this is like number 67. It's got to be better than 66!"

In other words: The most boring journey possible to reach your destination, the last level until the next expansion. But what destination are we talking about anyway? Well, in one word: nowhere. You just start to grind for gear instead of levels on the endless treadmill of WoW. Just hang around your average city, and you will see those guilds recruiting, asking specifically for level-80's, and sometimes for specific classes. And if you get in, it becomes a job. You *must* be available to do the raid at this or that time. Sometimes they even ask that you be properly geared before they let you in, starting a vicious elitist circle that never really ends.

Once more in the words of Jonathan Blow: "World of Warcraft says: You are a schlub who has nothing better to do than sit around performing repetitive, mindless actions. Skill and shrewdness do not count for much; what matters is how much time you sink in. You don't need to do anything exceptional, because to feel good you just need to run the treadmill like everyone else." When people complain about WoW only requiring time of its players, not skill, this is what they are talking about. Someone once commented on an ad for WoW that went "Come join 8 million heroes!" by asking, "Suddenly every single player is automatically a hero?" A valid concern. What makes a hero? Logging in? And if everyone's a hero, what sort of game does that lead to? Well, a game where nobody can have an impact upon the world, because everyone must have the opportunity to be as heroic as the next guy -- if you wish, a single-player game played in parallel, not an MMO. It's not only hypocritical -- equality of outcome is impossible -- it's also contrary to the general philosophy of a level- and gear-based game where some are more heroic than others by virtue of having put in more grind-hours to get to a higher point.

I talked above how instant gratification permeated every aspect of the game, and it's reflected in the type of players the game is attracting: many "serious" people who treat it as a second job, but many kids who come in and behave like spoiled brats. I was constantly being begged for money, and one case in particular stands out in my mind. I was extremely well to do (as a result of selling vast quantities of one item, at 1 gold apiece or so, which most people probably knew that anyone could obtain by killing level-5 monsters wouldn't be bothered to do -- in other words, my fortune came from other players' laziness), and in later stages, when being asked for money, I sometimes gave one gold or two to lowbies to help them along. One such player, level 23ish, asked me for 20 gold, which in a moment of complete indifference I gave him, with the piece of advice that he should keep the amount to buy a mount at level 30.

The next time I heard from him, he had spent all the money I had given him, long before level 30. Worse still, he candidly admitted that he had obtained no less than 450 gold just by begging -- and he had spent it all. His answer when I asked him whether he thought begging was honourable? "Yes..." And what could have a level-25 player have spent 450 gold on, may you ask? He showed me an uncommon-quality level-24 cape, which he said he had bought for 100 gold. He had been ripped off, I told him. Then he showed me his sword, a rare-quality level 19 item he said he had bought for 90 gold. In that case, I knew that it was that twinking business which was ripping off every bona fide levelling player looking for better gear that was to blame, not the begging player's gullibility.

I learned about the twinking business by accident. I had once obtained a level-19 Sentry Cloak in a dungeon, which a fellow raider told me was worth 180 gold on the auctionhouse. Not knowing about twinks, I asked him what could possibly justify such a price. Twinks... An entire industry of alts dedicated to the purpose of not levelling, with their entire gear bought at high prices by their high-level owners, thus proving the gear-is-king mantra and the unethical conduct of players themselves. I sold that Sentry Cloak for 180 gold, because I knew that if I put in a price which I judged reasonable, one of the numerous auctionhouse stalkers (such as those selling back cheap recipes at outrageous prices) would grab it and immediately repost it at a more fitting price. The level-19 players looking for the best gear to level up based on what they could afford, well, they never had a chance.

On top of that, there is the pointless economy which is entirely dedicated to levelling up crafting skills at the expense of rewarding craftsmanship resulting from such levelling-up in the first place. On the server I played, a stack of 20 bars of mithril could fetch 30 gold, while any piece of armor made of a dozen mithril bars would barely fetch 5 gold because it would have to compete with open world loot, while being inferior to some bind-on-pickup equipment from quests and dungeons. Not to mention that all the items you were forced to craft would end up flooding the market because there is no way to get rid of them at a decent price. Then hurdles would be placed for those seeking to level up by requiring increasingly arcane ingredients for which no justification could possibly be satisfactory in otherwise straightforward recipes; perhaps it was essential to place those pearls and moonstones on that shining silver breastplate, but why did higher blacksmithing recipes invariably require ichors of this, breezes of that? What does it have to do with the craft of blacksmithing? Isn't magical stuff what enchanters should be doing? (I won't even discuss armorsmith recipes producing items which only other armorsmiths can wear; what a way to nip demand in the bud.) End result: Crafters hawk their skill in major cities in a desperate attempt to level up without having to go grind for all those ichors and breezes -- or grind for the money to buy them.

I have already written far more than I should have, because I know this will either be laughed off, met with a few "can I have your stuff?", or issued a few reminders that 11 million players can't be wrong. Let's just hope that the MMO industry can survive the WoW juggernaut; unfortunately, when every new game, including niche titles such as Pirates of the Burning Sea, get compared to WoW to demonstrate they're not doing well, it is to be feared that the genre has been killed off.

Who knows, maybe Blizzard's "More of the Same" approach to expansions will kill the game in the same fashion as adding new floors to a skyscraper might ruin its appearance or weaken its foundations. But I certainly hope that enough players will tire of the obvious WoW treadmill to ask for different types of games without having to leave it to Blizzard to wreck their own game with their greed.

if you dont like pvp and raid dont play  video games lol,that being said if you like pvp then you got to be lvl 80 and in a guild to get top armor etc at lvl 46 or below i wonder what you saw lol lvl 60 was the first lvl 70 was the second etc.what this mean all pre 60 content as been made easy when bc came out and as been made even easyer when wotlk got out. of caurse you ll find  lvl 46 boring lol.and its true that raid in wotlk looks easier but dont sweat it blizzard can make this game very hard ,they just made them a bit friendlier cause not a lot saw top bc raid content or post bc content .and blizzard tried to correct that error ,yes pro are annoied but pro are only 10 or 15 % of the wow community,the rest is mostly casual gamer .men, most dont have 4 to 5 hour for 4 or 5 days in a row to finish a raid like it used to be at lvl 60 (pre bc)

Originally posted by Vetarnias

Then ask yourself this:  If WoW 2009 is so much better, that I haven't seen any of it, and that in fact even if I bought WotLK I still couldn't see any of the new stuff before level 55, whose fault is this?  Not mine -- it's entirely Blizzard's.  Why haven't they see fit to add to their game at every stage of the player levelling scale, instead of just adding on the top?

 

Actually they have.  Here's a sample list of things that have been added to the game since release that can be enjoyed by anyone.

Meeting Stones, PvP Honor System, Battlegrounds, Darkmoon Faire and most all holiday content, Dressing Rooms, Weather, Key Rings, Arenas, Looking for group, Socketable items, Jewelcrafting, Prospecting, Daily Quests, Voice Chat, Guild Banks, Arena Tourney, Barbershop, Achievements, Inscriptions, Milling, Glyphs, improved shadows.

Not to mention all the interface improvements, items, skills, pets and gear of all levels that have been added of which there are too many to mention.

You see it's not JUST the fact that you only got to 46, it's that you have played for 6 weeks when some of us have been playing for 4+ years.  You're trying to explain to us how our opinion is incorrect and that your opinion is correct, but you don't have one tenth of the knowledge of the game that we have.  You have your opinion and you're welcome to it, but please don't try to convince me that your opinion is somehow better than mine own.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by daylight01

I think the OP is pretty much bang on with his post,he also touched onto the fact about if he joined a raid guild to do the end game it would have to be like a 2nd job and maybe thats not his thing,so saying he should do the end game doesnt hold much water.I did play the end content of the orginal release and quite a bit in TBC and  alot of what the OP said is the reason's I stopped playing and deleted my guys.

 

What are you talking about  raiding being a second job.    My guild raids 6hrs per week.  What you are talking about is from 3 years ago.  Let me fill you in on the changes

1.  All content can be seen by 10 man guilds.  Takes much less time to organize everyone's schedule
2.  Potions/flasks have been marginalized.  You dont' have to grind for mats for potions anymore.
3.  Resist fights don't exist anymore.  No more grinding for 'my nature set'.
4.  Almost NO repetitive trash.   MC days are long gone.

Raids are no more time-consuming to put together than 5mans.   Very little prep work needed and with only 10 players scheduling is a breeze.

I guess it also has to do with your guild.  If you are joining a group of 'jerks' just because you want gear, then you are going to have to deal with 'dps charts' and worry about getting kicked for being to low.  My guild only uses the charts to see who needs upgrades the most.  We know each other well and know our classes very well.  But yeah, join a bunch of people who are only out to get fast gear, and you get what you deserve.

Your spot on... the game is so much better with out this... instead of grinding for mats that actually help a raid, we can do dailies.. because i like to be told exactly when and how i can play a game.. it is far easier than my 5th grade math homework.

But really.. I hope the just put in an IWIN patch, so after logging on for 15 hours.. you just... WIN!

World of Warcraft is to blame for the stagnant boring state of mmo's.  The people who are addicted to WoW are worse then religious fanatics. If only I could travel back in time to stop the creation of this soulless evil beast, and save mmo's from this depressing slow death

also, i saw a bunch of people flaming the OP for not getting to endgame, because all the fun starts once you get to endgame. wtf kind of game is it if you have to get to the very end to begin the fun part.... i like my mmo's to have the fun parts once you start playing, not once you reach the last level.

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

World of Warcraft is to blame for the stagnant boring state of mmo's.  The people who are addicted to WoW are worse then religious fanatics. If only I could travel back in time to stop the creation of this soulless evil beast, and save mmo's from this depressing slow death

 

also, i saw a bunch of people flaming the OP for not getting to endgame, because all the fun starts once you get to endgame. wtf kind of game is it if you have to get to the very end to begin the fun part.... i like my mmo's to have the fun parts once you start playing, not once you reach the last level.

Wow is fun from the very beginnings.

it is one of the most know facts why it has 11.500.000 paying subscribers.

See the book of "The Battle of Azeroth" from Bill Fawcett with a dozen other writers they analyse what Wow has - from the very beginnings - that other games like UO, EQ, AC lacked.

Very good reading for some hardcore who don't understand why Blizzard makes 1 billion dollar each year out of WoW.

So read the book and read the arguments why the 11.5 million exist.

Foot note:

Since the book was published Blizzard added other values into it, but you can find them yourself if being any intelligent.

 Deadmines is the very BEGIINERS dungeon of basic Wow. As a beginners dingeon at level 14, it is bigger than most end game dungeons of the so called "competition".

But read the book and read why experts (and ALL old MMO players) explain the commercial success.

Hacking and fighting with Wow players doesn't help, reading this book does.

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

haha! i was wondering if you'd ever get back to this thread zorndorf.  A bunch of books and lore doesnt mean shit for a game, reading this book you just pitched wont make wow any better for those of us who see how shitty it really is from experiencing better games in the past. 

also, ive said it before, in another thread i think.  you throw the 11.5 million playerbase out in every post you making defending your precious.  quanity doesnt mean quality.  i hope you factor in how many millions of accounts are owned by asian gold farmers

and im not sure if ill be able to find them myself since im not beng any intelligent

I made some very good and pretty decent arguments why Wow is the best. earlier.

But since Wow haters don't even read them, I think it is no longer necessary to explain to them why I think WotlK has the most subs.(new techniques like phasing, tank combat, moving artillery,  PvP options, PvE options, Raids, dungeons, graded Raids, graded PvP, it all has been said a million times by me).

And the only thing they can add is "Chinese farmers" and other invented stuff.

Xfire is not used by Chinese: btw: www.xfire.com

And it is not a player base, nor sales ....

It is paying players, who pay EACH day again and again for years, while other MMO's mostly last 30 (free) playing days.

So if you think you know it all: don't read the book, just ignore it and vent the hyper stress on www.wowhate.com

The book was third party view of OLD mmo players why Wow succeded where other failed. That's all. But apparently even this info doesn't intrest you.

 WoW is not good BECAUSE it has 11.5 mil subscribers, it's good becasue it had higher production values out of the gate than any other MMORPG before it. 11.5 mil is the concequence, not the reason.

Quantity of people isn't an irrefutable proof that a game is good, but likewise it's not proof of the oposite, like you seem to think.

Your reasons don't come off as well thought out and objective, but personal and reactonary to the number of people playing it.

I downloaded a hack tool which allowed me to "noclip" just like cheating in a fps, i could also fly in the game. I thought it was BS, but right now I am on death knight in Zangarmarsh hiding underground to cap one of the PvP locations in the zone.

I've also been flying around orgrimmar and ironforge as various characters on multiple realms. Bizarrely some people thought I was a GM, the hack tool is that good, but most knew it was a hack and were like "WTF?". Now if this is what the gold sellers use and combined with a speed hack or warp hack then no wander they do it, it is EZ money for them and it must be more profitable than botting all day. Just take up mining and ninja nodes or chests. I reckon I could solo bosses like the tool claims, but I know that because I've been very visibile that it won't be long before I'm banned.

It makes a mockery of blizzards attempt at anti-hacking, I'm now about to take the west beacon..haha.

If Blizzard can't stop basic hacking like wallclimb, flying and noclip then I can't imagine anyone else being able to with there amount of resources. If they could I would be playing legit, because at the moment the gold sellers are laughing at Blizzard, they are too slow to respond and keep making cutbacks on GM personnel. (The fact some of Blizzards customer service are volunteers make me highly suspicous too)

If anyone wants to see what I can do, name an EU realm and faction and I'll be there floating around.

Originally posted by happyclappy

I downloaded a hack tool which allowed me to "noclip" just like cheating in a fps, i could also fly in the game. I thought it was BS, but right now I am on death knight in Zangarmarsh hiding underground to cap one of the PvP locations in the zone.

I've also been flying around orgrimmar and ironforge as various characters on multiple realms. Bizarrely some people thought I was a GM, the hack tool is that good, but most knew it was a hack and were like "WTF?". Now if this is what the gold sellers use and combined with a speed hack or warp hack then no wander they do it, it is EZ money for them and it must be more profitable than botting all day. Just take up mining and ninja nodes or chests. I reckon I could solo bosses like the tool claims, but I know that because I've been very visibile that it won't be long before I'm banned.

It makes a mockery of blizzards attempt at anti-hacking, I'm now about to take the west beacon..haha.

If Blizzard can't stop basic hacking like wallclimb, flying and noclip then I can't imagine anyone else being able to with there amount of resources. If they could I would be playing legit, because at the moment the gold sellers are laughing at Blizzard, they are too slow to respond and keep making cutbacks on GM personnel. (The fact some of Blizzards customer service are volunteers make me highly suspicous too)

If anyone wants to see what I can do, name an EU realm and faction and I'll be there floating around.

 

 

Worst post I ever read.
 

Come off the free server and down to earth please.

If you hate Wow that much, I should consult a doctor as soon as possible m8.

I also wonder HOW many of those Wow hating posters only played the game on a free server ???

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by happyclappy

I downloaded a hack tool which allowed me to "noclip" just like cheating in a fps, i could also fly in the game. I thought it was BS, but right now I am on death knight in Zangarmarsh hiding underground to cap one of the PvP locations in the zone.

I've also been flying around orgrimmar and ironforge as various characters on multiple realms. Bizarrely some people thought I was a GM, the hack tool is that good, but most knew it was a hack and were like "WTF?". Now if this is what the gold sellers use and combined with a speed hack or warp hack then no wander they do it, it is EZ money for them and it must be more profitable than botting all day. Just take up mining and ninja nodes or chests. I reckon I could solo bosses like the tool claims, but I know that because I've been very visibile that it won't be long before I'm banned.

It makes a mockery of blizzards attempt at anti-hacking, I'm now about to take the west beacon..haha.

If Blizzard can't stop basic hacking like wallclimb, flying and noclip then I can't imagine anyone else being able to with there amount of resources. If they could I would be playing legit, because at the moment the gold sellers are laughing at Blizzard, they are too slow to respond and keep making cutbacks on GM personnel. (The fact some of Blizzards customer service are volunteers make me highly suspicous too)

If anyone wants to see what I can do, name an EU realm and faction and I'll be there floating around.

 

 

Worst post I ever read.
 

Come off the free server and down to earth please.

If you hate Wow that much, I should consult a doctor as soon as possible m8.

I also wonder HOW many of those Wow hating posters only played the game on a free server ???

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

No I like to change my posts.

Just changed my logo too :))))

Since the "11.500.000 happily playing number" got to you that much.

I thought it appropriate to push it a few times more.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by happyclappy

I downloaded a hack tool which allowed me to "noclip" just like cheating in a fps, i could also fly in the game. I thought it was BS, but right now I am on death knight in Zangarmarsh hiding underground to cap one of the PvP locations in the zone.

I've also been flying around orgrimmar and ironforge as various characters on multiple realms. Bizarrely some people thought I was a GM, the hack tool is that good, but most knew it was a hack and were like "WTF?". Now if this is what the gold sellers use and combined with a speed hack or warp hack then no wander they do it, it is EZ money for them and it must be more profitable than botting all day. Just take up mining and ninja nodes or chests. I reckon I could solo bosses like the tool claims, but I know that because I've been very visibile that it won't be long before I'm banned.

It makes a mockery of blizzards attempt at anti-hacking, I'm now about to take the west beacon..haha.

If Blizzard can't stop basic hacking like wallclimb, flying and noclip then I can't imagine anyone else being able to with there amount of resources. If they could I would be playing legit, because at the moment the gold sellers are laughing at Blizzard, they are too slow to respond and keep making cutbacks on GM personnel. (The fact some of Blizzards customer service are volunteers make me highly suspicous too)

If anyone wants to see what I can do, name an EU realm and faction and I'll be there floating around.

 

 

Worst post I ever read.
 

Come off the free server and down to earth please.

If you hate Wow that much, I should consult a doctor as soon as possible m8.

I also wonder HOW many of those Wow hating posters only played the game on a free server ???

 

No retail dickwad, ask on (EU) Lightbringer forum, Kazzak, Argent Dawn (which im on now), Ravencrest. Go on I dare you! Give your name, server (EU only), faction and capital to meet in and I will show you. I can prove to you 100% that this is genuine.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

 

No I like to change my posts.

Just changed my logo too :))))

 

lol that made me laugh.  still, post your server and character name so claphappy or whatever his name was can come show you his super hacking skills

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

 

No I like to change my posts.

Just changed my logo too :))))

 

 

lol that made me laugh.  still, post your server and character name so claphappy or whatever his name was can come show you his super hacking skills

Silly man if you believe that crap.
 

Jesus man: 57 year old and all you could do is come up with "EATthe DEAD"? No wonder you don't like Wow.

No wonder you would fall like the crap above.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

 

No I like to change my posts.

Just changed my logo too :))))

 

 

lol that made me laugh.  still, post your server and character name so claphappy or whatever his name was can come show you his super hacking skills

Silly man if you believe that crap.
 

Jesus man: 57 year old and all you could do is come up with "EATthe DEAD"? No wonder you don't like Wow.

No one wants to see if I am right or not? So if someone said they could time travel (for instance) and could prove it you sould say "No don't belive you" and just through insults around. I have prove and show anyone on an EU realm, but I suggest being quick as I don't think my account will be active for much longer...

Pffft or does no one plays WoW here ?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by EATtheDEAD

 

lol post your server and toon zorndorf, so he can come fly around you since you think he is full of shit.

and why do you always edit your posts? do a spell check before you hit Post Message

 

No I like to change my posts.

Just changed my logo too :))))

 

 

lol that made me laugh.  still, post your server and character name so claphappy or whatever his name was can come show you his super hacking skills

Silly man if you believe that crap.
 

Jesus man: 57 year old and all you could do is come up with "EATthe DEAD"? No wonder you don't like Wow.

lol zorndorf you are the silly man. silly billy!

i already explained my name. i enjoy my name, just like i enjoy a good zombie flick. and what does my name have anything to do with the reason i dont like wow? lol is it because the zombies in wow look fuckin stupid?

and im gonna let you in on a little secret *whispers* im not actually 57 years old....

and stop dodging the damn subject!!! POST YOUR SERVER/CHARACTER NAME! unless its zorndorf which it probably is

Or why dont you check out the name Sok (Orc Death Knight) on Argent Dawn server in armoury and then explain this...

http://g.imagehost.org/0114/WoWScrnShot_022309_115000.jpg

http://f.imagehost.org/0710/WoWScrnShot_022309_115006.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0508/WoWScrnShot_022309_115020.jpg

I even made an OFFICIAL post for you here

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8136625285&postId=81356736946&sid=1#0

http://g.imagehost.org/0429/WoWScrnShot_022309_120006.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0170/WoWScrnShot_022309_120013.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0569/WoWScrnShot_022309_120157.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0489/WoWScrnShot_022309_120159.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0778/WoWScrnShot_022309_120213.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0676/WoWScrnShot_022309_120254.jpg

http://g.imagehost.org/0579/WoWScrnShot_022309_120303.jpg

So I checked.

You only made a picture of a 59 level DK on his horse standing in a corner.

You didn't fly, perhaps in your head?

As a matter of fact you posted ONE line on a forum with that character stating :

"I wish someone would do something about all these hackers. " Wow such an insight. And surely it proves you SHOULD see a doctor.

yeah. it proves you play with a 50-quest character with greenies and having achieved 7 achievements....

Try again if you believe you flew.

You DO know ALL avatars movement and interactions are coordinated from Blizzard servers.

If you start believing you can manipulate official Blizzard servers with a client you are way off .....

http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8136625285&sid=1

http://g.imagehost.org/0855/WoWScrnShot_022309_121211.jpg

It would easier if someone gave their character name so I could fly around, I guess zoondorf still doesnt belive me....

he either went to play wow since he ran out of things to say or he died