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Originally posted by Arndur
Most likely the rock is to thick.
Not all wrestlers are stupid.
I'll insult marines. The military is not a sacred institution in my book. Some of the thickest violentest, badliest behaved people I know are marines. The country is a lot safer place when they are deployed abroad. We deploy them near our enemies, not our friends. For the most part, If they weren't in the marines, they would be in prison. I don't know a single soldier who thinks he is protecting my country. They all just want to be soldiers. They want to go to war. Most of them have no trouble leaving their families behind. Some of them are very pleased to. War is what they want. They joined up to kill people. To live that life of adventure they saw in war films as a child. If you were thinking the act of joining the military makes you a moral person beyond reproach, you would be entirely wrong. Troops deployed in Afghanistan aren't protecting you from anything, they are exacting your blood revenge. (Mis-exacting your blood revenge to be precise). Being a soldier tradionally means that given the vote, you will vote for war. It's been this way since the first democracy all those thousands of years ago. Any soldier who does not vote for war, probably isn't the kind of person cut out for that profession. The idea that only a person who has wanted to be soldier should have a say in politics is direct a recipe for endless total war. |
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Originally posted by Fishermage
Well yes, there are times when you aren't going to grow up in a war. What I really am saying that everyone who wants to can serve in the military during a time of way. What is this cival war that you are referring to?
I think I was pretty clear. A large group of people in this country and in complete denial about what is going on, and a slightly smaller hate America so much that they consider US the bad guys...
So people who feel that is a bad idea to go and kill a million civilians and to focus on capturing oil are on the enemies side? |
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deviliscious
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Well, this is all very nice. No one said your family are idiots I think we should just let the Navy vs Marines arguement go. No I do not agree on of all of the recruiting policies, but there are more important issues to discuss instead of getting into a flame war. The ironic thing is now he has the G.I. money, but he's too messed up to be ready for friggin homework. This is not every soldier but its enough. I also strongly disagree with our government on how they treat our vetrans, and our military families. In my community we take it upon ourselves to take care of each other, where I live we provide housing , food, clothing, cable, and entertainment. We do this not because it is required, we do this because it is the right thing to do. I believe it is not guns, or weapons of any kind that is the problem here it is the way children are being raised in this country. All of our problems result from lack of respect. Our children today are not being taught the true meaning of the word respect. They do not respect themselves, or anyone or anything around them. This is not how all children are being raised and you can see a difference in nthe communities that do instill these values. Children should be taught respect and personal responsibility from the ground up. Forgive me for saying so, but the fact that an adult would put a gun in the hands of an 8 year old is friggin scary, ESPECIALLY due to the fact that its not for sporting clay or target shooting. Your parents put a gun in your hand at EIGHT years old so they could make sure "you wouldn't become a victim?" Seriously, do you know how that bloodthirsty that sounds? Training an 8 year old to "shoot for center body mass"? My God. And people wonder why Americans are feared as savages sometimes. You are assuming that all children are running around disrespecting everything and anything around them, NOT everyone raises their children this way. Where I grew up needing to be able to shoot was necessary to fend off cyotes and packs of wild dogs. My parents were taught to shoot at a young age, as were my grandparents. Yes this is a common occurance here. I had to shoot my first dog at the age of 10 inorder to protect my family, and our animals. It was part boxer/ pitbull and had killed several of my animals before I got the gun and shot it. I was babysitting my younger brothers and sisters while my parents had run to the store, so yes it was my responsibility, it is not like the sherriff was going to drive all the way out there to do it for me, that is just not how it works here. There is a big differnce between children raised in my environment than most children being raised today. The first thing I was taught was to respect my firearm, to respect myself, and to respect others. I was taught from the beginning that a gun is not a toy, I don;t care if you are holding a toy gun or a real gun you don;t point it in my direction or I will do everything in my power to disarm you, that includes but is not limited to breaking your knee if neccessary. I was taught the power of a weapon and that using it is permanent, you cannot undo what you do. So if your going to use it you better mean it because there are no second chances. It is not something you have to make you look cool, it is not something to show off, it is not something to play around with and it is not something that gives you power. It is simply a tool that can be used to save your life, nothing more. I knew all of this by the age of 8. How many children do you know that do hell we have allowed adults to grow up and still not fully understand these things? That is the difference here. These things must be instilled in our chilkdren from the beginning to fix this country. I actually think it would be a very good idea for us to send some of our soldiers into our schools to teach our children from the ground up the true meaning of the word respect, to teach them to respect themselves and everyone around them. To treat others how they would wish to be treated and teach them personal responsibility. If they did that this country would be the better for it, it would solve many of the problems facing our country today. Hell no I wouldn;t go out and try to arm people that have no clue what the word" respect " means or "responsibility", no that would be madness. You say this is savage, but it is not it is savgae however to raise our children to be weak, and depend on others to fix their problems. They need to be taught to do for themselves and takecontrol over their own lives, their own future because no one else is going to do that for them. That is savage because that is breeding them to be helpless. And yes I was taught to shoot for center body mass, as well as moving targets.We also ran manuvers using smoke screens with my uncle tossing fireworks artillery shells at us .. But that was for fun because we wanted to and enjoyed it. For this I believe I am a stronger person, I can defend myself and I will know what to do if it ever comes down to it. DO I want to ever have to use this training ? Hell no, I hope that day never comes. Have I personally resolved violent situations without violence ? yes I have. I had to talk a guy holding a 18yr old kid at gunpoint in a parkinglot into letting him go once at a nightclub. I have no idea why people think that if you are trained in firearms that it is the first thing you do, it is the untrained use of weapons that results in this not the other way around. It is the punks with no respect for anything or anyone that go grab a gun and think that gives them power. Anyone who respects their firearm uses it as a last resort, or in a situation where shots have already been fired, or if someone is directly coming at you that is a different situation all toegether, then you go for body mass.. and do not hesitate, not going to help anyone if you are dead. Your personal anecdote is just that.. personal. Here's one: What about the kids who were shot by accident by their parents guns last year, because the idiots who were so eager to protect their families, couldnt' lock up their own damn guns? What about people who had their guns stolen and then used in crimes against citizens who otherwise would not have been shot except for that gun? What about the accidental shootings of homeowners pasting their relatives brains on the wall, because they forgot their son's/daughters had keys, and came home for a visit? For every ONE story you give me about some lucky homeowner thwarting a break-in, I can probably give you 20 or more where guns not being around would have been better. You give examples of the irresponsible use of weapons, where as I said before raising our children to be responsible would have easily solved this. The parents were not responsible, the children were not responsible, so of course the results in a tragic accident. the same thing very well could have happened with a woodchipper, or a tractor, a swimming pool, or hell even your kitchen stove. You are looking at the smaller picture here and not the whole picture, not if you look at all the firearm accidents in the US and you compare them with all of the Household accidents they do not even compare. This is an overall responsiblity issue not a gun issue. So because a child drowns in a pool or lake we should remove them all? Guns do nothing to people, people do things to people. You are placing blame in the wrong direction.
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Originally posted by Tsolless
I think I was pretty clear. A large group of people in this country and in complete denial about what is going on, and a slightly smaller hate America so much that they consider US the bad guys...
So people who feel that is a bad idea to go and kill a million civilians and to focus on capturing oil are on the enemies side?
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Originally posted by baff
This has been the traditional difference between the European military and the US military. Up until WW 2 the US maintained a very small standing army, we viewed our military as citizen soldiers. "Soldiers in war, civilians in peace, we are the Guard" (National Guard). America's militia system. US citizens didn't want to leave their homes, their families, their jobs, their lives, and go off and serve in a foreign land for the rest of their lives. Not like the large standing armies of the British Empire, the French, the Germans, or the Russians. Matter of fact, this is one reason that Hitler never thought the US would fight well, that citizen soldiers could not stand against the training and the professionalism of the Wehrmacht. But we did, and when it was over the men willingly came back to their homes, their families, and their jobs, hoping to wash the taint of war away forever. Somewhere around Vietnam it changed. The idea that the citizen soldier was obsolete, that the US needed a professional standing army because the citizen soldier didn't have the skills needed to carry out modern warfare. The price of Empire. Of course, now, in Afghanistan and Iraq, there is still The Guard, the citizen soldier, patrolling right alongside the full time professional soldier, doing the job. Obsolete to some's thinking, but still as effective as he was in WW 2.
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In Athens, the birthplace of democracy, they had a problem. They couldn't win wars.
When the navy was at home, they all voted for war and off they went. As soon as they were gone, their wives voted for peace and home again they came.
@ the chap above who thinks 8 years old is too young to be given a gun, guns are dangerous. If you keep one in the house your child will play with it. You can't prevent that, try as hard as you might wish, kids will be kids. The sooner you train them to use one, the better. My niece has been shooting from aged 7. I don't worry about leaving her alone in a room with guns and ammo. Nothing is more reprehensible than a poorly educated child.
For a good Afghanistan story, download (rent?) 9th Company. It's the factual dramatisation of a company of Russian soldiers and how they get left behind during the withdrawl. In true Missing Legion stylee, only one of them makes it out. It's a proper war movie. Boot camp to battlefield, you know the type of thing. |
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You claim a man says a certain thing. Then when asked to provide proof, your link clearly shows he did NOT say what you claim. Further, it shows you took what he said out of context by not including everything he said in a 28 second bite (umm.. how hard was that?). Now, it's apparently the fault of people who if they were only paying attention way back when, they would have seen one of the numerous videos you claim he said it... when you yourself now say "That was all I could find now.. was hard enough to find that." So, you want me to prove a negative event happened here? You WERE paying attention... and you STILL cannot find it. What's that say about you? Good luck with your Easter Egg hunt. That should keep you busy, oh, at least til by the time those troops actually hit Afghanistan. Yep, I'm arguing logic and politics with a woman, and I deserve everything I get. No. I do not realize this entire video was available during the elections, because I do not live in Chicago, where this video was taped and released it appears. No, this was not an issue for me as I do not think he was telling one group something and another group something else. No, you have not shown that he did what you said either on this subject of Iraq troops. I do not troll Youtube for every video Obama makes unlike some folks. I do not care to see every single video he or any politician makes as I do not chase them around. If you want to keep looking for a smoking gun to win your point, good luck. I'll say you are right when you find one to back your claim. It can't be THAT hard, can it? I mean.. it is on a video you SAW him say, right? lol
First, what does the biblical site of Armageddon have anything to do with this thread? What does the Valley of Megiddo have anything to do with 10,000 troops headed to Afghanistan? What are you even talking about here? Stop bringing in your Christian Rapturist beliefs into the conversation as if Obama does this/that, it brings on the Final Battle of Revealations next month. Are you related to Pat Robertson by any chance? Cause he preaches this on Sundays. He also predicted the world would end in Nov 1982, so I'm still waiting to hear about that one first. He's only 27 years late. Besides, any real Christian knows you cannot change God's Will, Obama moving troops only fulfills God's Will, or else he would not be allowed to do it. Let God worry about Armageddon.
The Bible says the Antichrist will deceieve the whole world by talking peace, except for God's chosen elect. Then his armies will move on Armageddon. I seriously doubt that Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are the God's chosen elect. And I have yet to hear Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran talking about peace with Israel. Forgive me if I don't take any Rapturist history theory and future events in my coffee from a woman named "Devilicious" sporting a succubus avatar, with such a conservative posting history like this as reason to worry about Iran and Armageddon:
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deviliscious
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Let me get this straight.. You claim a man says a certain thing. Then when asked to provide proof, your link clearly shows he did NOT say what you claim. Further, it shows you took what he said out of context by not including everything he said in a 28 second bite (umm.. how hard was that?). Now, it's apparently the fault of people who if they were only paying attention way back when, they would have seen one of the numerous videos you claim he said it... when you yourself now say "That was all I could find now.. was hard enough to find that." So, you want me to prove a negative event happened here? You WERE paying attention... and you STILL cannot find it. What's that say about you? Good luck with your Easter Egg hunt. That should keep you busy, oh, at least til by the time those troops actually hit Afghanistan.... DId you not hear the words that came out of the mans mouth? yet you hear them and then pretend they do not say exatly what I said they said. You said that people voted for Obama because he was going to withdraw troops from Iraq, I told you he had said he "claimed he had never said that, I show you the film of him saying he never said that and you then act like that is not what it says. What is an artificial timeline? an artififcial timeline is any timeline that cannot be realisticaly determined, so giving an exact date saying this is when I will do this in regards to Iraq would be considered an artificial timeline. YOU heard it come out of the guys mouth , and No I do not live in CHicago but with my satellite I pick up all news from all over the world, including Chicago. Maybe if you invested in such you would have a better understanding of what is going on around you. Why on earth would I have kept youtube video clips? Was I to know that some guy trying to sell me Obama propaganda like an infomerecial would then stake my credability on it on some forums? Did you save that clip? I am sure you didn;t and why would you? Silly man! How can what he said in that clip and what he says on his site both be true at the same time, please explain that to me, It would be nice to see this juggle of interpretation.
Yep, I'm arguing logic and politics with a woman, and I deserve everything I get. Yes we look at the whole picture and the details all at the same time, I do not expect you ro be able to keep up, It is not your fault you are unable to use both sides of your brain. It is amazing that you hear it from the man himself yet instead of accepting this, you rant at me for not having the entire newscast? This was not a "one line phrase" it is very obvious exactly what he was talking about from that clip alone. Made complete sense to me .. how can you interpret that any other way? Would you care to address all of the rest of the responses to your claims or do you better understand why we should address the problem not the symptom in regards to our right to bear arms? why capitalism is not to blame? or would you just rather go off in a rant because I didn't save every obama scrap out there to better convince you that he has not been honest with the people. Hell, you could ask the leader of Canada what he said about NAFTA and the people of Ohio what he had told them as well.
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My concern about what she said, was she said her parents were determined not to make her a victim, so they put a gun in her hand at eight years old. What kind of message is that? You can pass on an infinite number of things to a child in life.... Science, Math, Music, History, Sports, etc.. and of all the things they felt essential to teach was.. "Firearms 101". This is pretty nutty, this is David Koresh, Idaho White Supremist type thinking of God and Guns. There are plenty of time for her to learn handguns/rifle/shotgun training at 16 and higher. Police forces, military institutions, private civilian gun centers, or good ol' Dad/Mom can just teach them then when they are old enough to drive a car. Think about that.. 8 years old.
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deviliscious
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First, what does the biblical site of Armageddon have anything to do with this thread? What does the Valley of Megiddo have anything to do with 10,000 troops headed to Afghanistan? What are you even talking about here? Stop bringing in your Christian Rapturist beliefs into the conversation as if Obama does this/that, it brings on the Final Battle of Revealations next month. Are you related to Pat Robertson by any chance? Cause he preaches this on Sundays. He also predicted the world would end in Nov 1982, so I'm still waiting to hear about that one first. He's only 27 years late. Besides, any real Christian knows you cannot change God's Will, Obama moving troops only fulfills God's Will, or else he would not be allowed to do it. Let God worry about Armageddon.
Okay first of all you called me a christian, you are mistaken.. obviously you have not been here long, as We have had many religious debates. Nor am I a muslim. I have read the bible yes, more times that anyone should, and I have translated it from hebrew and have a full understanding of the book contains. 1. where the tigris and euphrates rivers meet is where many across the world accept as the biblical site of armegeddon, and that happens to be located in Iraq. This has nothing to do with my religious beliefs but many pthers beliefs across our world. 2. How many Iranians do you know? I know quite a few due to Texas being one of the top immigration states in the US, I know many people from all over the world. I have worked with people from Iran, Pakistan. Saudi Arabia, and many other countries from around the world in the medical field. How many sit down long talks have you had about this subject, and you can be sure if you ask any of them, Iran leaders not only wants Iraq, they want control over the world, and will do everything within their power to accomplish this. This is not something unknown here. 3. Considering my beliefs I believe if amegeddon starts it is because man made it happen and for no other reason. Religious beliefs can be a powerful and dangerous thing. They have been used since we can remember to mass control the populace, and to fuel much war. Obama hasn;t moved anything ... this was already planned. I am still waiting to see what he is really going to do in regards to Pakistan, Israeal, Iran, Russia, and mexico. He has not done anything worth talking about yet. $. considering most of your rant was about Christians and all that jazz and I am not even a Christian .. It would not apply to me. So I will let it go. I am looking at this from an outsiders view on the religious aspects. You do realize it is possible for someone to understand religion without agreeing with it. I think everyone should read the Bible, it is a very interesting and enlightening book. IT helps people better understand why christians are the way they are, and why there is so much conflict between their beliefs and the other religions. It is recommended that everyone study up on all the religions it provides great insight to why things are the way they are, and why there is so much conflict that cannot be resloved by " peacetalks." |
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What the hell does the biblical location of armeggedon have anything to do with this topic? Nevermind the fact that I'm pretty sure the Christianity teaches that nobody knows when it happens and so no human can just "start" it. It's not like there's a ritual that you can perform there to bring down armeggedon. Edit: If you do not believe in Christianty then you really don't believe in the armeggedon. So what difference does it make if someone holds a piece of land that is spoken about in a (in your opinion) piece of fiction? |
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Originally posted by Tsolless
I never said that the book was "fiction" . When you study more of our ancient history, you will find that many of the stories contained in the bible are found there as well. You see, I do believe it contains a great deal of our history, as wella s the other eligions, but it is from one perspective. Once you accumulate the data from many other religions and interpretation of events from all over the world, you geta bigger picture of things, than one viewpoint. There are many amazing things that are discovered when you do this, and it gives you an entirely different persepctive on the events. What troops in Iraq has to do with Armegeddon is that many believe it will take place where the Tigris and Euprates rivers meet, look on a map to see where that is. Now it is the belief in this that holds the danger here. It is like this. If you believe that if you throw yourself off a bridge you will gain a seat in heaven and god will come save your soul okay yes this is a crazy thing to believe, but lets just say hypothetically. Well then you go and do it in order to save your soul. Many people out there with strong religious beliefs actually think that this is the end times and they are destined to be in armegeddon, that belief alone is enough to fufill their prophecy, because they can actually make that happen. Why would anyone in their right mond want to make this happen? well I surely wouldn;t think so, but these people actually believe it will make Jesus return to the earth and fight off the evil with the swords from his mouth... this being the case I think it is just best we make sure they can't go over there and try and start anything.
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Then I would be most certainly more afraid of a Christian nation (USA) occupyng the area rather then Iran. |
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deviliscious
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Originally posted by popinjay You can teach them yes, but not effectively. The training you suggest would result in too many accidents, too little understanding, too little control for public usage. Giving anyone that little training is just plain ignorant. It is like this, using a game for example. Say you start to play a difficult video game, you play ti for one week, are you going to be as good at it as you would be after playing it for 10 years? I think not. The younger you start on teaching children respect, responsiblity, and self denfense the better they will be at it and the less msiatkes you will have overall. They didn;t start with the firearms, they started with value for human life, my respect for everyone and everything around me, my responsibility for myself and others. Many adults , teens, and children never learn these things. |
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Originally posted by Tsolless
LOL that is where you are wrong .. The people of Iran are laid back, for the most part, it is the leaders that are not. No they will not be satisfied until they have taken over the world .. they believe it is their destiny to do so.. you have to look at all the angles here. There is no one viewpoint that is right here. They would not limit their "armegeddon" to Iraq... they want the whole world in armegeddon. |
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Originally posted by Tsolless
Does this mean your volunteering to go over there and safeguard the gates to hell for us so we can bring our boys home? How nice of you to offer!! I am sure your fellow canadains will appreciate that. |
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I said this:
Also, try PollingReport.com and look under "Iraq". I can't imagine anyone still obtuse enough to keep pushing this point after that. You are flat wrong here. Wtf do you keep arguing about in red type for?
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Obama said this in your clip:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was not a "gotcha clip" what he said after that did not pertain to the subject matter. You just proved my point for me. On his site he gives an " artificial timeline" by giving dates, exactly what he said he would not do. His public plan has since changed due to opinion polls on what is popular and what is not. Who actually knows what the man will actually do when he changes his plan according to whoever he is talking to. Are you seriously nitpicking at the word" remove" instead of " withrawn" ?!! what is the difference between remove and withdraw? He said it accept it , you should not have to defend his actions or words, he is a grown man and can do that for himself. You act as though this is the first time he used campaign retoric to get votes or something. I am really tired of hearing if You disagree with something the man says or does you must be a republican, If you have an understanding of christianity you must be a holy roller, If you own a gun you must be some david Koresh follower.. what is the matter with YOU people? You make assumptions based on absolutly nothing. If people disagree with you and show you why instead of gaining a better understanding you go into a rant even fiurther proving the point you are trying to disprove and make no sense at all. Whatever happened to understanding, logic, and reason? Bottom line I truly believe we all want the same thing, we want to be able to raise our families, be able to have our children grow and live happy lives and have everyone leave us the %$% alone. Yes , I do think we all want this it is just a matter of how this can be accomplished. LOL@@ at your polls, we all know what happened during the elections there was a massive media blitz, and they are now calling upon the same media blitz that got obama elected to try and endorce his economic policies, the problem of course is when you start messing with peoples childrens futures, people are more likely to go with sound economics rather than what the media tells you to do. Have you ever answered a political poll? I sure haven;t .. none of my friends do, no we tell them no thanks and move on .. That is what most people do. What I do is vote, call my officials, write them, and let them know personally how I feel about something. That is more effective than some poll where you can vote repeatedly , limit who is allowed in the polls to affect the outcomes.. please surely you are intelligent enough not to take polling seriously. Idk.. maybe to back up your claims as proof of something you say was said several times? Here's a tip. Theres this invention called a "pencil" and this other thing called "paper". It requires no "keeping." Try writing down links and things once in awhile to back up wild claims. And when your power goes out, you still have them, woot McDonald's generation.... *sigh*
I am not so obssessive to think that I would need to do such unneccessary things just to argue.. No I think my time is better well spent doing something useful than wasting my time on meaningless nonsense. If you feel that you should do such things you go right ahead but I have better things to do. I am sure you have eaten more Mcdonalds than I have in my lifetime, I was taught how to cook from scratch.. I have no idea why they think it is a good thing to serve that BS and call it food. I do not eat fast food of any kind. maybe that is what is affecting YOUR thinking.. you need real nutrition.
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I saw it. What's your point, lol?
And you must have failed to mention it in the first place, dear. I'll see if we can get the MMORPG psychic to sit in on your next post. If you live out in Bassackwards, TX, I'm sorry for you. But you claimed you had to worry about your neighbor getting jacked in her house by punks. Unless coyotes learned to hold guns on people, anyone reading would have figured you lived in a higher populated area, not the backwater. Now if there's a coyote problem, what did you do outside as a kid? Walk around with a gunbelt and six shooters while playing in the sandbox? Guns are locked up in the house by your "responsible" parents right? You'd have to run all the way back inside, find a guy then run out and shoot the coyote. That's a lot for a 8 yr old. But I guess you were an exceptional child who would have made a great Marine except you weighed too less. This is you:
You got some bad coyotes in your town dear. Nice of you to change the tint of your story after you realize how nutty it really sounds to arm children. /facepalm
The next three days are spent "on the line", teaching people good habits from the start.. not like Mom and Pop trained you to shoot at 'yotes on the farm. This takes place on a supervised line in a controlled setting, with no "Get him before he gets you" messages. After one week, a average person never handling a firearm can, with basic instruction of sight picture, and no serious medical defects, shoot better than someone who's shot since ... eight years old, once they put in range time. In combat situations, people revert back to bad learned habits picked up over the years by good ol' Mom and Dad. These other folks can be expert shots within half a year if they really wanted to get serious and just putting in a minimum amount of time. So don't sit there and hypothesize about how ineffective firearms training is in a professional environment. Simply nonsense there. One of the things you hear as a firearms instructor is always "Well, my Daddy used to teach me to use THIS eye, or hold it in my grip THIS way." Now you have to beat that out of their thick heads, because the retard is shooting logs at the bottom of the target or up into the berm scaring wildlife, and figure out why. ("But I've been shooting since I was eight years old, sir!")
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A 28 second video clip showing his words getting chopped off in mid-sentence, none of which back your claim as posted. Do you just keep throwing this stuff out and hope something sticks, or hope someone sympathetic to your point can answer it for you? Like here:
Have you no sense of decency, Devilicious? At long last, have you left no sense of decency? "You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you." Zbigniew Brzezinski to Joe Scarborough regarding Clinton and the Middle East on the "Morning Joe" program. |
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I saw it. What's your point, lol? Maybe you should get some reading glasses. Your a funny guy bet you think your bright cause your mama calls you son!
You really should get out more, you would have to understand how our cities/ farmland are structured here to get a better understanding of the area, Not only do we have gangs rolling through here from south dallas, we have cyotes and pitbulls because of how far apart the houses are .. we don;t live wayyy out in the boonies .. but our houses are much farther apart. Basically it is where the wild west , suburbia, and city life all come together.. that would give you a better understanding of how we live here. No, this is not BFE, this is how we live here. I go clubbing on the weekends in dallas It is about 40 min away from here , this is the wealthiest county per sq ft. in Texas, we just all own alot of land, My neighbor happens to be the next closest house to where I live.. that is not different than living in the city except we cannot see into our neighbors homes, and we actually have wildlife left here to appreciate. Criminals target homes in wealthy communites, so this is something we do have to deal with. No there was never a need for having weapons locke dup in our home, everyone knew how to use them and you can see cyoyes comming from a great distance before they get close enough to the house .. LMAO you can usually hear them before they get any where near you so you have time to prepare. Not to mention the neighbors signals. Yes, we had signals, fire 2 warning shots in the air and we knew what to expect. As for what I did outside as a kid, I swam in the pool, played tennis on the courts, had 4 wheeler paintball wars, shot bee bee guns, was captain of my gymnastics team so I often practiced on my uneven bars and balance beam at home, went fishing on the lake, built forts in the woods.. just like any other kid. The next three days are spent "on the line", teaching people good habits from the start.. not like Mom and Pop trained you to shoot at 'yotes on the farm. This takes place on a supervised line in a controlled setting, with no "Get him before he gets you" messages. After one week, a average person never handling a firearm can, with basic instruction of sight picture, and no serious medical defects, shoot better than someone who's shot since ... eight years old, once they put in range time. In combat situations, people revert back to bad learned habits picked up over the years by good ol' Mom and Dad. These other folks can be expert shots within half a year if they really wanted to get serious and just putting in a minimum amount of time. LMAO, you act is if I was raised by a bunch of hillblillies ... I was raised by marines, not farmers. ROFL!
SO what you are saying is that one week is enogh to determine how to be able to gage the kick of every weapon you are going to be handling inorder to adjust your aim? ROFL! What about stress testing? Most people can;t hit the broadside of the barn when under the actual stress from an actual situation. I had to shoot accurately with my brother throwing fireworks at me, that is not something that can be done in a classroom, or accomplished by a week of practice. Though I guess we do not expect our people to be accurate and to be able to handle stressful situations .. nah that is just something they should learn on their own?!! That to me is madness .. lol I have been told repeatedly by officers that the training provided to our police force is substandard at best and nothing really prepares them for the actual thing. That is why our local officers came out to my families property to train. They ran manuevers on their land as well. This was not you average hillbillie training ground.. No "GET em " nonsense. I guess you feel that the fight or flight syndrome has no effect on people in this situation and a week is more than enough to prepare them for actual stressful situations. Some people go into survival mode and step up and do what needs to be done, others freak the $%&$ out. Some people get scared, others do not, I think it takes more training to determine how they will respond and adjust their aim than a week. Ask any firearms instructor.... homegrown shooters are usually the WORST people to have around any firing line. Because they just "know" better. Some of them make good instructors later, but that's rare. Most just are too friggin cocky. You term " usually" is correct, most people are not raised this way, as I pointed out before, it is a matter of respect, you have people out shooting at tin cans and think they are the shet and won;t listen to anything anyone tries to tell them, I can imagine they would be your biggest issue. Anyone who thinks they are better than their instructors, and does not have to listen to what they have to say, has a lot to learn about respect.
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Unless you are shooting .50 rifles and Desert Eagles, submachine guns... absolutely. Shotguns, bolt-action or .223 rifles, .40 handguns and down is easily "adjusted" for kickback in one week. We are talking about the average person, not gun nuts who own an arsenal. How much time does it take to get adjusted to one weapon? There is no need for the average U.S. citizen to be screwing around with ordinance that can pierce engine blocks from 1,000 yrds+ under any circumstances. You don't need anything higher than a .22 to kill coyotes. Odds are a .40 will stop any person. So why all the "every weapon"? Proper grip and sight picture does wonders. Weaver and Modified Weaver stances are good for some people, whereas Combat Tactical stances are better for others (like myself). Once you find what a shooter is more comfortable with then the rest is easy regarding breathing. Things like cross drawing or concealed carry draws are again, personal choice that come later. The two most important things you really need to teach a noob: Consistency and Control of Motion. That's it. Doesn't take the majority of people a week to figure that out.
"You know, you have such a stunningly superficial knowledge of what went on that it's almost embarrassing to listen to you." Zbigniew Brzezinski to Joe Scarborough regarding Clinton and the Middle East on the "Morning Joe" program. |
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deviliscious
Apprentice Member
Joined: 11/09/07
"Adjusts ponytails and pulls the lollipop out of my mouth" |
I am truly, TRULY sorry... I had no idea. Please accept my apologies. I will respond no further to this issue. I wish you the best out there.
All you want to do is flame... You do not want a serious discussion. What did your mommy not love you enough or something? Don;t you feel sorry for me, My life is great, enjoy every second of it. I feel sorry for a guy that lives in the drainpipe. |
I deally it would be great if we could have someone else Guard Iraq for us so we can bring our family home .. That would be awesome!! any volunteers? Can I see a show of hands please?
