Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by APEist

Originally posted by thardin

The world size is not all that big, just seems that way due to how slow you move.  Even with slow movement you can run (without using sprint much at all) across the main land in about an hour.  As for stable client myself and a few others I've talked with cannot open some parts of the UI w/o the game crashing.

 

Bullshit!

 

I've done the trip, numerous times.  Takes about an hour and 45 minutes running.

 

      I think what concerns me more is that you are able to do this without dying...Where are all the mobs??.....It sounds like they put 10 MB worth of NPCs in a 18 gig world.........I think my biggest concern about Darkfall is that they are counting way too much on players just killing each other 24/7....This gets old pretty fast and you need a solid PVE world also for players to enjoy in the long run.......Also most of the vids I have seen there is nothing but players running from each other...Sorry but that isnt PVP.......

I agree 100%.

This is the reason why WAR is failing  - After Lost Vale there are only City Sieges in RVR

Darkfall is not vaporware since they actually have something to scam people with.  It is simply an epic failure and scam for money.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Wardrop

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by Wardrop

Good post dark.... These are some of the really good aspects of df... OMG yes there are good aspects of DF... The bad isnt as bad as it may seem, though the bad should be told aswell with just as much passion.

 

Good luck with that, im a passionate guy. 

 

-Darkstar 

 

 

 

blah, you posted before i finished the above post...Ass lol

 

hehe. Ill see u ingame. 

 

-Darkstar

 

Hang im headed there in a sec, i need to redownload fraps from my gspace storage....

I just stoped crafting and took mace instead of polearm... so i got no skill in it yet, but that can change quick.

The same response to every soon to be released MMO on MMORPG.com..

I don't understand for the life of me, why would it matter to someone else if another person wanted to try or is enjoying an mmo...

the only thing I have seen though videos which I did not like was the animations.. they were a lil lackluster but overall the game looks like chaotic fun... just like an fps... I'll be trying it as well as Jumpgate evolution...

I'm 100% convinced that the majority of trolls are paid by rivals mmo companies.  I mean really, who the hell would put so much effort in putting down a game they never tried.  Who would spend so much energy doing this, no sane person thats for sure.  So they must be paid or insane.

I will certainly try Darkfall and most likley I will quit aftre a few weeks like the last 5 mmos Ive tried.  But as a fan of mmo's I'll try the game and then give my thoughts about it on a forum like this.

To all the normal people that visit these forums, do not pay these people any attention, as I said I'm 100% sure they work for rival mmo's.

Originally posted by Theocritus

I think my biggest concern about Darkfall is that they are counting way too much on players just killing each other 24/7....This gets old pretty fast and you need a solid PVE world also for players to enjoy in the long run.......Also most of the vids I have seen there is nothing but players running from each other...Sorry but that isnt PVP.......

I agree. It's a nice idea but PvP does actually get quite monotonous after a while. I think a lot of WAR players are beginning to realise this.

There needs to be plenty of things to keep players occupied while not out killing one another. You are essentially playing a medieval Counterstrike with crafting elements otherwise. Sure that's fine in itself, but enough to sustain a virtual 'world' for prolonged periods and over a matter of months/years? Who knows.

Originally posted by thardin

The world size is not all that big, just seems that way due to how slow you move.  Even with slow movement you can run (without using sprint much at all) across the main land in about an hour.  As for stable client myself and a few others I've talked with cannot open some parts of the UI w/o the game crashing.

mor elike 2 maybe alil longer if you dont sprint at all 

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Theocritus

I think my biggest concern about Darkfall is that they are counting way too much on players just killing each other 24/7....This gets old pretty fast and you need a solid PVE world also for players to enjoy in the long run.......Also most of the vids I have seen there is nothing but players running from each other...Sorry but that isnt PVP.......

 

I agree. It's a nice idea but PvP does actually get quite monotonous after a while. I think a lot of WAR players are beginning to realise this.

There needs to be plenty of things to keep players occupied while not out killing one another. You are essentially playing a medieval Counterstrike with crafting elements otherwise. Sure that's fine in itself, but enough to sustain a virtual 'world' for prolonged periods and over a matter of months/years? Who knows.

we will have to see like tasos said its not for everyone btw i do more pve in beta than anythign else because its fun to explore and its good tog et gold formt hese guys alogn with keys for underground shit

Originally posted by Trollslapper

I'm 100% convinced that the majority of trolls are paid by rivals mmo companies.  I mean really, who the hell would put so much effort in putting down a game they never tried.  Who would spend so much energy doing this, no sane person thats for sure.  So they must be paid or insane.

I will certainly try Darkfall and most likley I will quit aftre a few weeks like the last 5 mmos Ive tried.  But as a fan of mmo's I'll try the game and then give my thoughts about it on a forum like this.

To all the normal people that visit these forums, do not pay these people any attention, as I said I'm 100% sure they work for rival mmo's.

No company on earth has to worry about paying people to troll Darkfall.  It did that to itself.  Darkfall is the worse piece of trash ever produced by any game company anywhere.

I will love to see this board in a months time when I can say "I told you so".  Words can not even begin to describe how much fail this game will be.  It will not last a year.

Darkfall makes me want to apologize to the Vanguard people.  Vanguard was years ahead of Darkfall.

 That's all just a mindset.

PvE is incredibly boring to me because in the end, I'm really just killing these differently skinned monsters that have the same AI (stand there until it dies) and give me these magical numbers that apparently make me stronger only when I've accumulated a specific amount of these magical numbers called experience.

For instance, in WoW, I was very bored with it due to very few chances of fighting more than 2-3 monsters realistically. It's because there's no reaction required in the normal PvE available to everyone. The end game encounters still end up with me dealing as much DPS as I can and running away or stopping my attacks when a random, but still common AoE or insta-CC or kill ability gets activated by the boss. Once that's over, I run right back in and push the same 2-3 (sometimes 4) buttons to do what I have to do and  then continue to repeat that. The same thing can be said for WAR in my experience, but that is much more limited.

In AoC, I enjoyed the AoE grinding because although the mobs all had that same crappy AI, there was a huge risk vs reward factor for coming out alive. That's not something I found in WoW. Same thing in Ragnarok Online. Same thing in RYL. Same thing in Perfect World.

At least in DAoC there were multiple tanks, as in 5-6 at minimum, required for some encounters for Master Levels. People don't seem to understand how incredible that entire encounter system was in comparison to anything that is available today and probably anything within the next 10 years to be honest. A multi-tiered system that had requirements of previous encounters, but not ALL encounters, and when they were brand new it was a huge exploration and required so many people to try and accomplish. It was not a struggle to get people to listen because everyone was excited and intrigued by what was in store for them, whereas in WoW there just wasn't as much of a massive "Oh wow, this is cool" effect or at least there wasn't 99/100 of the raids I went on. It was more like - Um, I need this piece of gear and then when I get it, you guys are on your own because I only care about helping myself. Cool? Cool.

To me, at least PvP has opponents with different specs that I have to figure out and playstyles, whereas the PvE continues to have the same scripts.

Originally posted by Tnice

Originally posted by Trollslapper

I'm 100% convinced that the majority of trolls are paid by rivals mmo companies.  I mean really, who the hell would put so much effort in putting down a game they never tried.  Who would spend so much energy doing this, no sane person thats for sure.  So they must be paid or insane.

I will certainly try Darkfall and most likley I will quit aftre a few weeks like the last 5 mmos Ive tried.  But as a fan of mmo's I'll try the game and then give my thoughts about it on a forum like this.

To all the normal people that visit these forums, do not pay these people any attention, as I said I'm 100% sure they work for rival mmo's.

 

No company on earth has to worry about paying people to troll Darkfall.  It did that to itself.  Darkfall is the worse piece of trash ever produced by any game company anywhere.

I will love to see this board in a months time when I can say "I told you so".  Words can not even begin to describe how much fail this game will be.  It will not last a year.

Darkfall makes me want to apologize to the Vanguard people.  Vanguard was years ahead of Darkfall.

While I agree that it is unlikely that any company is paying someone to troll Darkfall, I am unimpressed by your claim about Darkfall being the worse piece of trash ever produced.

The sweeping statement is a bit to broad and difficult to support, to be taken seriously. Honestly, have you really tried to play every game ever released by every company anywhere ? Judging by your apparent age I don't think that you could have possibly accomplished such a impressive feat. 

On a side note: Your posts are overly emotional, highly exaggerated and seem to be the official definition of Troll. And by the way I Beta tested Vanguard and Darkfall and you assumptions about Vanguard's superiority are.. how do you say it... Fail.
 

Troll,

As used on the Internet:

1) As a verb, the practice of trying to lure other Internet users into sending responses to carefully-designed incorrect statements or similar "bait."
 

Compared to most gamers out there, I am an old man.  I suck at PvP.   I got my balls kicked in almost every night I logged into beta and my nose rubbed in shit.    Still yet, I loved this game and am very excited about purchasing it and being there on day one of release.

I could care less about all the people who have no experience in this game calling it a failure or a scam.   The most important thing to me is if I am enjoying it and having fun.   I had loads of fun and am more than happy to pay money for it.

I am sick and tired of the same old crap coming out in every MMORPG.    Darkfall is a unique and refreshing change.

This game isn't for everyone but it definitely is for me and others I know that have played in beta.    The really cool thing about it is that it will only get better over time.

You can tell me that you don't like the game until you are blue in the face but don't even try to tell me that I don't like it.   I played it.   I know what I want out of a game and this is the only one since AC-Darktide that has come close to delivering the experience I've been longing for in an MMORPG.

Where are the stinky vaportrolls now ? 

VPELLEN how was vaportrolling a valid opinion ? You TROLL ..see now ?

MMORPG.com has allowed vaportrolling for years. MMORPG.com has done shit to prevent a valid  game and fans  of the game from the haters..NOW all can see what a crap site this was for years given the haters space for their shit !!

I told ya so ..LOL

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Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Originally posted by Theocritus

I think my biggest concern about Darkfall is that they are counting way too much on players just killing each other 24/7....This gets old pretty fast and you need a solid PVE world also for players to enjoy in the long run.......Also most of the vids I have seen there is nothing but players running from each other...Sorry but that isnt PVP.......

 

I agree. It's a nice idea but PvP does actually get quite monotonous after a while. I think a lot of WAR players are beginning to realise this.

There needs to be plenty of things to keep players occupied while not out killing one another. You are essentially playing a medieval Counterstrike with crafting elements otherwise. Sure that's fine in itself, but enough to sustain a virtual 'world' for prolonged periods and over a matter of months/years? Who knows.

we will have to see like tasos said its not for everyone btw i do more pve in beta than anythign else because its fun to explore and its good tog et gold formt hese guys alogn with keys for underground shit

If you guys keep saying "it's not for everyone" at the slightest criticism, in the end Darkfall will be for very few players.

Theocritu's concern is a very solid one in my oppinion.

Originally posted by SuperCrap

 

Some people are saying Darkfall wasn't vaporware because a game called Darkfall is being released right now.  I have to point out that they are incorrect, everything that has been revealed by the Darkfall beta has proven that Darkfall was vaporware all along.  Say what?  Here is why:

 

The whole idea of vaporware is that the developers are hyping a product that they cannot deliver, and lying about the status of their product.  As we now know, this was true all along with Darkfall, they have been making claims about the status and features of the game for several years, and it is clear now that those claims were not true.  The game lacks many of the features that were supposed to make it ground breaking, and is in a non-finished state of development.  Many features which supposedly exist are "turned off" for mysterious reasons.  Basically, it is a game, but it is not the game that was claimed, it is not and was not at the state of development that was claimed.  SO WE KNOW NOW FOR A FACT THAT DARKFALL WAS VAPORWARE.

 

Ever since anyone mentioned vaporware back in 2003 it has always been claimed by "trolls" that one of the most likely scenarios is the Darkfall devs will eventually release whatever twisted, mangled, broken piece of software they have managed to develop and see how many suckers they can get to pay for it before everyone realizes how little the project has delivered.  In fact, this is one of the main endgames that happens with vaporware, essentially it is a bait and switch, you promise a revolutionary and amazing product, then eventually release a mediocre product with little resemblance to what you had promised.  The promised amazing product was just vaporware, it doesn't mean there is no product at all, but that the product being promised was never going to materialize into reality.

 

This is exactly what has happened with Darkfall and why it was vaporware.  Aventurine is releasing a game, but it is not the product that was promised, not in the state of development that was claimed, and pretty much every review you can read will tell you this, even many reviews that claim to be fans of the game are warning people it is not the game they were expecting and it has many problems. 

 

So, yes, nearly everything the "trolls" said has been proven true.  The speculation that Aventurine weren't even trying to make a game was incorrect, but the fact they were not being honest about the features and state of development of their project is obviously true. 

 

I can sum it all up in a simple to understand image:

 

 

 

Can you kindly remind me of  MMORG that has released with all the features it has promised during development? Please I am curious. If you can't it means your argument is idiotic since you are stating the obvious.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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I have to disagree. Poeple claimed this game was vaporware. Some of those said it might release, but extreamly bad and some even claimed that it will never be released at all. Most of these poeple where former "fanboys".

This was a valid opinion. Now some of those poeple did used it to troll, but with the lack of information it was an valid opinion none the less.

On a final note though, you are no better then those trolls.

Originally posted by Coman

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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I have to disagree. Poeple claimed this game was vaporware. Some of those said it might release, but extreamly bad and some even claimed that it will never be released at all. Most of these poeple where former "fanboys".

This was a valid opinion. Now some of those poeple did used it to troll, but with the lack of information it was an valid opinion none the less.

On a final note though, you are no better then those trolls.

No i know what they was claiming, "vapor" ," it wil never release" etc.

They changed to with "there is no beta" ,"there is no over the shoulder view on the game", "there are no beta leaks"  etc.. they will hate the game no matter what..that is what i claim ..they are trolls that never had good intension and MMORPG.com and official staff has given these haters space here and let them ruin the DF forums .  

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Originally posted by SuperCrap

Originally posted by link35

What are you talking about?  What features have been dropped that we didn't know of already?  All I can think of is the lack of npcs but everyone knew from the beginning that this was not a game geared towards PvE so that shouldn't matter.  So what else was dropped that we didn't already know? Prestige Classes? POH? No and No we already knew those two were out a long time ago, hmm lets see, the mahirim four legged run perhaps, but we were told about it a few weeks back, which is not enough time if you ask me so that kind of counts I guess.  So please enlighten me on what we are missing, FFA Full loot (check), guild cities (check), skilled based combat (check), worthwhile crafting (check), boat battles (haven't seen nor heard much about them but they are supposed to be in so I guess this deserves a check as well), et cetera.  Anyway you get the point, stop trying to hang on to a stupid argument that has already been proven wrong, and sorry to say this, but quit

 

How about server capacity, world size, lag free battles with hundreds of players, and that everyone would get to try before they buy? 

 

But it is obvious from even your own list that you are bending over backwards to apologize for this game, and the end product is not what was expected.

...

The world is as big, its running in Debugmode so its laggy (and even then, barely, I;ve have tons of players on my screen without any lag whatsoever, and perhaps they'll have a free trial when it actually releases?

Its not vaporware in the least. All of the features are there, just maybe not as we expected. the world is empty b/c for some odd reason, not all NPCs are enabled yet. Those that are are pretty cool and far superior to any current MMO's.

And anyway, every MMO that released needed to be polished and updated. The game has teh foundations layed out, but needs to be fixed a bit. I'll admit, some features are sort of broken, like alignment (easily exploited) and sieges (time window is too small), but core features are still there, and thats what matters.

And I can say this, as I myself beta tested. Call me a liar if you want, NDA is lifted now.

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by SuperCrap

  The game lacks many of the features that were supposed to make it ground breaking, 

 

 

Go on what ground breaking features did not make it into launch ??

 

Lots of mobs? Right, ground breaking... no wait every other MMO has that.

 

Fog ?  Are u kidding me?

 

Prestige classes ?  Sorry, nothing ground breaking there.

 

What is it about Darkfall that was supposed to be so groundbreaking ?

 

1. Free for all pvp, its been done before but not recently, its ground breaking.  CHECK. 

If it's been done before, it is not groundbreaking. UO, Lineage 2 ( which I'd say counts as recently )

 2. Full loot. Certainly Ground breaking. CHECK

Been done before, not groundbreaking. UO

 3. No levels, skill based instead.  In todays MMO market, this is ground breaking. CHECK.

Been done before, not groundbreaking. UO come s to mind.

 4. The ability to craft almost any item in the game. Yup, thats ground breaking. CHECK.

Saga of Ryzom, EVERYTHING IS CRAFTED. Been done before, not groundbreaking.

 5. To craft boats, steer them and destroy other players boats. Ground Breaking. CHECK.

 Sorry, been done before, not groundbreaking. Here's a hint, they have pirates even..

6. Guild towns and cities. done before, but this could very well be ground breaking. CHECK.

Done before, not groundbreaking. Star Wars Galaxies

 7. Sieging other cities.  If done well, this is ground breaking. CHECK

Done before, not groundbreaking. Shadowbane

 8. FPS style combat in an MMO. Definitetly ground breaking. CHECK.

Done before, not groundbreaking. Hellgate: London

 

 

 

Keep fidling along on ur last string little trolls, its the only one u got left.

Keep trying to defend Darkfall with bullshit, it's the only thing you got left.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Learn the meaning of the word groundbreaking. If it has EVER been done before, it is NOT groundbreaking.

Thanks for playing, come back soon!
 

Originally posted by dimmit77

Can you kindly remind me of  MMORG that has released with all the features it has promised during development? Please I am curious. If you can't it means your argument is idiotic since you are stating the obvious.

Can you name one of those who's developer claimed it was feature complete and just being polished for 5 years, only to see it was neither?

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

MMORPG.COM are big meany doo-doo heads!

 

 

QQ more. They didn't stop the fanbots from making ridiculous claims and attacking anyone who said Darkfall wasn't the crowning jewel of mmorpg development, either.
 

So sorry this site doesn't cater to fanbots who can't handle criticism. Curious, when a group of gankers keeps killing your ass and telling you to "suck this n00b" as they /teabag your ass, are you going to be the "hardcore PvP'er" who runs to Tasos and says "Ban them!! They don't match my criteria!!"?

Yea, but you can swing swords at each other if for no other reason to just swing swords! Brilliant! Who needs depth?

I'm actually quite shocked there is, at least, something playable. Even if it is just mindlessly chucking arrows and spells at each other with no depth. Its much more than I expected.

My favorite quote from the official Massively.com review of Darkfall:

"For every step forward it takes in regards to interesting sandbox play, it takes four steps backwards and impales itself."

Originally posted by baal/mrheat

Originally posted by thardin

Originally posted by link35

Originally posted by thardin

The world size is not all that big, just seems that way due to how slow you move.  Even with slow movement you can run (without using sprint much at all) across the main land in about an hour. 

I'm not sure whether to believe that but if that's true then that is truly lame.

 

It took me about an hour give or take 10-15 minutes to travel along the dotted line in this pic.  I will re-travel it later while timing more closely if anyone is interested.

 

I would say I only sprinted about 15-20% of that distance.
 

that sure is some major BS.... i play the beta and to trawel from alfar land "nagast" in south mainland to the right side of the map, where his dots ends, take around 1 hour, that guy is just one gay troll....

I have redone the trip this time with screenshots along the way and using the chat system as my timer.  For all of you saying it was BS,  I think you must have a messed up sense of time.  Perhaps you were really bored and it made it seem longer. 

I will admit that I sprinted slightly more this time, roughly 25% of the time I was sprinting.  Though even had I not increased from 15-20% to 25% of the time I could have made it with-in my estimate when I said give or take 10-15 minutes.

Total trip a little over 1 hour 4 minutes.  I used 1 stamina pot while running from what looked to be a gank squad.

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by Darkstar111

Originally posted by SuperCrap

  The game lacks many of the features that were supposed to make it ground breaking, 

 

 

Go on what ground breaking features did not make it into launch ??

 

Lots of mobs? Right, ground breaking... no wait every other MMO has that.

 

Fog ?  Are u kidding me?

 

Prestige classes ?  Sorry, nothing ground breaking there.

 

What is it about Darkfall that was supposed to be so groundbreaking ?

 

1. Free for all pvp, its been done before but not recently, its ground breaking.  CHECK. 

If it's been done before, it is not groundbreaking. UO, Lineage 2 ( which I'd say counts as recently )

 2. Full loot. Certainly Ground breaking. CHECK

Been done before, not groundbreaking. UO

 3. No levels, skill based instead.  In todays MMO market, this is ground breaking. CHECK.

Been done before, not groundbreaking. UO come s to mind.

 4. The ability to craft almost any item in the game. Yup, thats ground breaking. CHECK.

Saga of Ryzom, EVERYTHING IS CRAFTED. Been done before, not groundbreaking.

 5. To craft boats, steer them and destroy other players boats. Ground Breaking. CHECK.

 Sorry, been done before, not groundbreaking. Here's a hint, they have pirates even..

6. Guild towns and cities. done before, but this could very well be ground breaking. CHECK.

Done before, not groundbreaking. Star Wars Galaxies

 7. Sieging other cities.  If done well, this is ground breaking. CHECK

Done before, not groundbreaking. Shadowbane

 8. FPS style combat in an MMO. Definitetly ground breaking. CHECK.

Done before, not groundbreaking. Hellgate: London

 

 

 

Keep fidling along on ur last string little trolls, its the only one u got left.

Keep trying to defend Darkfall with bullshit, it's the only thing you got left.

 

 

-Darkstar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Learn the meaning of the word groundbreaking. If it has EVER been done before, it is NOT groundbreaking.

Thanks for playing, come back soon!
 

Sorry, u got it wrong.

Right now every MMO is a wow clone, thats is because every MMO believes that WOW is the formulae form making a good MMO. 

Therefore to break new ground is not about having a new feature, but have a feature that breaks from the wow mold, but being implemented in an innovative way that actually works well.

If it doesnt become part of the mold for the next generation of MMOs, its not ground breaking.

And thats why people say that Darkfall will be groundbreaking, I understand ur confusion since, as u say, u thought groundbreaking meant New.

Then it would have said new.

But its a simple mistake to make, I hope this cleared it up for u.

-Darkstar